Calorie Prioritization - Yes, a calorie is a calorie….
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A candy bar would give a huge amount of energy fast, while the same calorie amount of broccoli is broken down slower and gives a steady amount energy.
Thus the difference between simple and complex carbs, not to mention the health benefits. The only way I can see someone really utilizing a candy bar.cookie, ice cream, or something with a huge amount of processed sugar is after a workout or before. The problem is it looks like a few people don't believe in meal timing or think it's not important, but it's very hyporcitalcal that most weight lifters, no matter the goal, have preworkout and post workout meal, aka meal timing, THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO HMMM....
Meal timing can be effective for energy levels etc. but not for weight loss/gain. people have success with pre and post workout meal, but people also have success following IF. Meal timing should be more about preference and workout performance, as it does not affect weight loss or gain in the context of the same diet while eating at different times.0 -
ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
I always thought insulin was an anabolic driver........0 -
ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
I always thought insulin was an anabolic driver........
I thought the same, one reason carbs are king for a bulk (as long as you get mins in other macros of course)0 -
ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
I always thought insulin was an anabolic driver........
I thought the same, one reason carbs are king for a bulk (as long as you get mins in other macros of course)
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ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
I always thought insulin was an anabolic driver........
Shhhhh....that's our little secret0 -
A candy bar would give a huge amount of energy fast, while the same calorie amount of broccoli is broken down slower and gives a steady amount energy.
Thus the difference between simple and complex carbs, not to mention the health benefits. The only way I can see someone really utilizing a candy bar.cookie, ice cream, or something with a huge amount of processed sugar is after a workout or before. The problem is it looks like a few people don't believe in meal timing or think it's not important, but it's very hyporcitalcal that most weight lifters, no matter the goal, have preworkout and post workout meal, aka meal timing, THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO HMMM....
Meal timing can be effective for energy levels etc. but not for weight loss/gain. people have success with pre and post workout meal, but people also have success following IF. Meal timing should be more about preference and workout performance, as it does not affect weight loss or gain in the context of the same diet while eating at different times.
I would think energy levels in the body, would certainly affect someone's hormones, recovery, epatite and actual workout. The problem is I can say these things, but you believe they are too small in the overal picture, and don't matter, so why go into more detail. Not to mention 5 mins ago meal timing wasn't even real, or whatever was mentioned, now it is? Either is exists or doesn't.0 -
@JoshLibby @ryanflebbe so when in a caloric surplus what happens to excess protein that my body doesn't use for MPS?0
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A candy bar would give a huge amount of energy fast, while the same calorie amount of broccoli is broken down slower and gives a steady amount energy.
So a couple hundred calories is digested over the course of (let's say) a couple hours, or a couple hundred calories is digested over the course of several hours.
What exactly is going to be the different outcome in the context of long term weight gain (or loss)?
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ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
This also ignore the context of a total diet. No one advocates a diet very high in doughnuts every day. Below is the approach I take and when people make the doughnut assumption, here is my general response:psuLemon wrote:I generally manage to address several nutritional goals/recommendations based on current science and discussions with multiple specialist (my wife has a medical condition so I have to go to GI, Cardiologist, Endochronologist,etc..): 1. 1g of protein per lb of lean body mass (sometimes I hit body weight), 2. I hit over 20g of fiber a day... with many being almost 40g (I do have a quest bar, but I also get 2 or 3 servings of fruit and a few servings a veggies, 3. I also get a good amount of dietary fat (.35 to .4g) per lb of lean body mass. 4. Rest is carbs which is mainly from whole wheat breads, fruits and veggies. Oh and this is all on a cut at ~2400 calories. So let me ask you, how hard do you think it would be for me to improve those numbers with an additional 850 calories during a clean bulk?
And my goal is get stronger, cut body fat, maintain muscle.0 -
A candy bar would give a huge amount of energy fast, while the same calorie amount of broccoli is broken down slower and gives a steady amount energy.
Thus the difference between simple and complex carbs, not to mention the health benefits. The only way I can see someone really utilizing a candy bar.cookie, ice cream, or something with a huge amount of processed sugar is after a workout or before. The problem is it looks like a few people don't believe in meal timing or think it's not important, but it's very hyporcitalcal that most weight lifters, no matter the goal, have preworkout and post workout meal, aka meal timing, THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO HMMM....
Meal timing can be effective for energy levels etc. but not for weight loss/gain. people have success with pre and post workout meal, but people also have success following IF. Meal timing should be more about preference and workout performance, as it does not affect weight loss or gain in the context of the same diet while eating at different times.
I would think energy levels in the body, would certainly affect someone's hormones, recovery, epatite and actual workout. The problem is I can say these things, but you believe they are too small in the overal picture, and don't matter, so why go into more detail. Not to mention 5 mins ago meal timing wasn't even real, or whatever was mentioned, now it is? Either is exists or doesn't.
For weight management it makes no (or very little impact), is what was stated.0 -
ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
I always thought insulin was an anabolic driver........
Yes, when your body needs it. That is why it's produced in the first place, but the body doesn't know that you would or wouldn't be trying to increase it.0 -
ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
I always thought insulin was an anabolic driver........
Yes, when your body needs it. That is why it's produced in the first place, but the body doesn't know that you would or wouldn't be trying to increase it.
you mean just like your body would not distinguish between a surplus of 500 calories of vegetables or 500 calories of doughnuts????
the recommendation for carbs is always in conjunction with a progressive overload program as the insulin spike signals muscles to start growing...0 -
ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
I always thought insulin was an anabolic driver........
Yes, when your body needs it. That is why it's produced in the first place, but the body doesn't know that you would or wouldn't be trying to increase it.
Your body only "needs" so much muscle mass......hence RDA recommendations. Building muscle you're forcing your body to do things it doesn't "need" to do....0 -
ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
I always thought insulin was an anabolic driver........
Yes, when your body needs it. That is why it's produced in the first place, but the body doesn't know that you would or wouldn't be trying to increase it.
you mean just like your body would not distinguish between a surplus of 500 calories of vegetables or 500 calories of doughnuts????
the recommendation for carbs is always in conjunction with a progressive overload program as the insulin spike signals muscles to start growing...
But doughnuts have the insulin effect and the vegetables do not. The spike of insulin would differ no matter the calories amount, sugar is the variable, the amount the kind, and how it's broken down. THE END
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ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
I always thought insulin was an anabolic driver........
Yes, when your body needs it. That is why it's produced in the first place, but the body doesn't know that you would or wouldn't be trying to increase it.
It is also anabolic when your body doesn't need it. That is why many pro bodybuilders inject insulin*.
*Disclaimer: Do not attempt to do this. It is very dangerous and can be fatal.0 -
ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
I always thought insulin was an anabolic driver........
Yes, when your body needs it. That is why it's produced in the first place, but the body doesn't know that you would or wouldn't be trying to increase it.
Your body only "needs" so much muscle mass......hence RDA recommendations. Building muscle you're forcing your body to do things it doesn't "need" to do....
Not sure what you are saying here, now we are talking about how much mass we gain? I
nsulin spikes would be determined not just because you body needs it, it would also be determined by what foods were eaten, soda is a great example of this, and soda is a simple carb.
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ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
I always thought insulin was an anabolic driver........
Yes, when your body needs it. That is why it's produced in the first place, but the body doesn't know that you would or wouldn't be trying to increase it.
Your body only "needs" so much muscle mass......hence RDA recommendations. Building muscle you're forcing your body to do things it doesn't "need" to do....
Not sure what you are saying here, now we are talking about how much mass we gain? I
nsulin spikes would be determined not just because you body needs it, it would also be determined by what foods were eaten, soda is a great example of this, and soda is a simple carb.
No, I was just adding to your comment.
This thread has talked about meal timing, macros, body composition, muscle gain, fat gain, and the list continues..... I'm playing bingo here.
OP - Great initial post.0 -
ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
Why would insulin mean more fat storage than muscle? You know muscle cells have insulin receptors too, don't you? You know insulin is an anabolic hormone, don't you? You know the main divider between whether calories are partitioned to fat or muscle for an individual (assuming appropriate muscle stimulus) is insulin sensitivity, driven by current body fat levels, don't you? I'm not seeing why fast carbs versus slow carbs would change this appreciably, but if you have research that shows such an effect, I'd be interested.0 -
ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
I always thought insulin was an anabolic driver........
Yes, when your body needs it. That is why it's produced in the first place, but the body doesn't know that you would or wouldn't be trying to increase it.
you mean just like your body would not distinguish between a surplus of 500 calories of vegetables or 500 calories of doughnuts????
the recommendation for carbs is always in conjunction with a progressive overload program as the insulin spike signals muscles to start growing...
But doughnuts have the insulin effect and the vegetables do not. The spike of insulin would differ no matter the calories amount, sugar is the variable, the amount the kind, and how it's broken down. THE END
yea, no, you still have failed to explain how your body distinguished between a surplus of one food group over another....
maybe you should go run a few bulk/cut cycles and then come back and try to lecture us on the mechanics...0 -
What's with all these people behind bars??????
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