Devil Worship and Intervention
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I tend to crave sugars, and while I've cut back because it's hard to fit such unfilling food into my plan, I never gave it up nor will I.
Part of the learning process was learning how to enjoy in moderation, like a 160 calorie ice cream sandwich or eating only one slice of cake and not four. I cut way back, but really that was because I was eating way too much before, now I eat a normal amount of sweets.0 -
Protranser wrote: »I have noticed since doing MFP and paying attention to meeting the minimum goals for my protein and fat intake, that my cravings for sugary foods have gone down drastically - not 100% - as every so often the sugar-monster makes an appearance and I have to have something like a Little Debbie cake or a Rice Krispies treat or a lollipop - but I've gone from wanting it daily, every time I'm hungry, to only wanting it every so often.
Hmm. Okay. Next time I cook, I'll try to add in more protein. My SO has no desire to lose weight or change diet, so when we spend time together, I'm trying to see if I can at least mitigate some of the poor diet choices my SO makes. This is probably the wrong idea though; when we're not together, my SO will just go back to eating a low protein, high fat, high sugar/carb diet, all the while maintaining a mostly sedentary lifestyle with no meaningful exercise.
it's the wrong idea if by doing that you hope to change her preferences, yes for the reasons you say. showing her a lovely meal she might add to her repertoire wouldn't be bad though0 -
leut_underpants wrote: »deluxmary2000 wrote: »What... where.... "devil worship"?
Am I missing where devil worshiping was discussed in your post? I feel like a victim of click bait.
Because sugar is teh debil
At least according to some. :grumble:
Right, and I think that was the joke, though subtle, intended by the OP. I thought he was just poking a little fun at the current climate about sugar in a lighthearted way but did have a real question about sugar and changing palettes.
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Protranser wrote: »Has anyone migrated their taste preferences away from soda, candy, and cakes to fruit and sweet vegetables? Was this a choice you had to commit to, or did it suddenly happen for you, like it did for me?
I've always liked fruits and vegetables, although I got myself even more excited about and appreciative of both by thinking of them seasonally and shopping at the green market and all that (I know it's psychological, but it works for me). I've never liked plain sugar (I think adding it to coffee is icky and I hate sweet cold cereals), but only sugar + fat, so soda and candy aren't an issue and cake is something I've always had rarely and is not my favorite. There are plenty of sweet things I like, though -- ice cream, home made pie, good cannoli, I could go on. For the most part the high cal foods I love the most and would have the hardest time giving up are savory, though.
And no, I haven't really changed my tastes, since there was no reason too. I'm not a picky eater and never have been, so I've always enjoyed a balanced healthy diet (I just had to be more active and exercise more sense over calories in that I'm not a huge person, sigh).My SO really likes sugar, is pre-diabetic and on medication. I realize there's nothing wrong with sugar in moderation, and I get the impression moderation is harder for people who have a dietary preference for candy, soda, and cakes.
Is your concern that she's not doing as much as you think she should to control the pre diabetes? People have to decide they want it. I don't believe that moderation is harder for people based on tastes; I think anyone can do it, but I think you have to want to. A friend of mine is dealing with a diabetes diagnosis and doesn't seem willing to do what he needs to do to get it under control (he eats contrary to advice and what seems to me sense), but it's none of my business, frustrating as it is. And although I never had health issues, thank goodness, I ignored my own weight issues well after I was aware of it and knew how to change it until I decided I cared and needed to do something, so sometimes it's just a matter of time. (Often medical advice will matter, of course, so what the doctor says is likely important.)This is not to say I completely abstain from devil worship. I enjoy the occasional demonic possession, and run into a nearby parking lot to cry when I'm done eating it, as is the proper way to atone for sin.
I don't really think calling sugar "the devil" if that's what this is is useful. For me it wasn't a significant part of while I gained weight at all, and of course it's all about how WE choose to eat, not the power of any foods, so I find it quite puzzling that people want to call out and demonize sugar. To use my favorite example, I have a cookie recipe in my box. One cookie has about the same amount of sugar as an apple (and no, I don't think apples are evil or need to be avoided by those who have pre diabetes, like I guess some do). However, the cookie is much higher in calories than the apple, and a plurality of the overall calories (significantly more than from the sugar) are contributed by butter. So to point to the cookie as an example of the detrimental effects of sugar seems bizarre.0 -
Come to think of it, my room gets very cold at night for no apparent reason, I see things that aren't there. I often have nightmares. I often end up waking at 3 AM with an empty stomach. Are these signs of demonic possession?0
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Protranser wrote: »Has anyone migrated their taste preferences away from soda, candy, and cakes to fruit and sweet vegetables? Was this a choice you had to commit to, or did it suddenly happen for you, like it did for me?
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My SO really likes sugar, is pre-diabetic and on medication. I realize there's nothing wrong with sugar in moderation, and I get the impression moderation is harder for people who have a dietary preference for candy, soda, and cakes.
I've never been a huge fan of soda, I do love cake and pastries, and I am okay with candy. I frequently find myself eating fruit and some veggies for sweet flavors, versus pouring sugar into my food/drink. This is not to say I completely abstain from devil worship. I enjoy the occasional demonic possession, and run into a nearby parking lot to cry when I'm done eating it, as is the proper way to atone for sin.
am I the only person who finds this part to be offensive?0 -
Yes.Protranser wrote: »Has anyone migrated their taste preferences away from soda, candy, and cakes to fruit and sweet vegetables? Was this a choice you had to commit to, or did it suddenly happen for you, like it did for me?
Background is below, feel free to skip.
My SO really likes sugar, is pre-diabetic and on medication. I realize there's nothing wrong with sugar in moderation, and I get the impression moderation is harder for people who have a dietary preference for candy, soda, and cakes.
I've never been a huge fan of soda, I do love cake and pastries, and I am okay with candy. I frequently find myself eating fruit and some veggies for sweet flavors, versus pouring sugar into my food/drink. This is not to say I completely abstain from devil worship. I enjoy the occasional demonic possession, and run into a nearby parking lot to cry when I'm done eating it, as is the proper way to atone for sin.
am I the only person who finds this part to be offensive?
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Come to think of it, my room gets very cold at night for no apparent reason, I see things that aren't there. I often have nightmares. I often end up waking at 3 AM with an empty stomach. Are these signs of demonic possession?
I was woken up at 3 am this morning by my cat.
I wonder if he's possessed? Knowing cats, I think it's likely.
And I will take this somewhat appropriate opportunity to make a plug for an excellent book:
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deluxmary2000 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »deluxmary2000 wrote: »What... where.... "devil worship"?
Am I missing where devil worshiping was discussed in your post? I feel like a victim of click bait.
LOL what does that say about us that the title drew us in!?
I think there was some vague reference to devil worship and atoning for sins in a parking lot in the last paragraph of the original post...
Ahhh - thanks. I actually missed that, although it still doesn't quite make sense. I was thinking with a title like that, the actual devil worship part would be front and center in the discussion.
I was thinking that the OP overate at his most recent Devil Worshipping Event ...and then I wondered what kind of food they served at the Church of Satan? Doesn't really seem like a donuts and cookies type of crowd...
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Come to think of it, my room gets very cold at night for no apparent reason, I see things that aren't there. I often have nightmares. I often end up waking at 3 AM with an empty stomach. Are these signs of demonic possession?
Nah - you probably just accidentally ingested a grain of the evil sugar and it's rearing its ugly head.0 -
Come to think of it, my room gets very cold at night for no apparent reason, I see things that aren't there. I often have nightmares. I often end up waking at 3 AM with an empty stomach. Are these signs of demonic possession?
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This was so not what I expected when I clicked on the threat title haha.0
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Protranser wrote: »I have noticed since doing MFP and paying attention to meeting the minimum goals for my protein and fat intake, that my cravings for sugary foods have gone down drastically - not 100% - as every so often the sugar-monster makes an appearance and I have to have something like a Little Debbie cake or a Rice Krispies treat or a lollipop - but I've gone from wanting it daily, every time I'm hungry, to only wanting it every so often.
Hmm. Okay. Next time I cook, I'll try to add in more protein. My SO has no desire to lose weight or change diet, so when we spend time together, I'm trying to see if I can at least mitigate some of the poor diet choices my SO makes. This is probably the wrong idea though; when we're not together, my SO will just go back to eating a low protein, high fat, high sugar/carb diet, all the while maintaining a mostly sedentary lifestyle with no meaningful exercise.
it's the wrong idea if by doing that you hope to change her preferences, yes for the reasons you say. showing her a lovely meal she might add to her repertoire wouldn't be bad though
I don't see the OP writing 'her' or 'she' anywhere. We shouldn't make assumptions.
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Protranser wrote: »Has anyone migrated their taste preferences away from soda, candy, and cakes to fruit and sweet vegetables? Was this a choice you had to commit to, or did it suddenly happen for you, like it did for me?
Background is below, feel free to skip.
My SO really likes sugar, is pre-diabetic and on medication. I realize there's nothing wrong with sugar in moderation, and I get the impression moderation is harder for people who have a dietary preference for candy, soda, and cakes.
I've never been a huge fan of soda, I do love cake and pastries, and I am okay with candy. I frequently find myself eating fruit and some veggies for sweet flavors, versus pouring sugar into my food/drink. This is not to say I completely abstain from devil worship. I enjoy the occasional demonic possession, and run into a nearby parking lot to cry when I'm done eating it, as is the proper way to atone for sin.
am I the only person who finds this part to be offensive?
Offensive no, but very, very sad that the OP has such a distorted view of food. The sniff test indicates an eating disorder or at least one in the making.0 -
beemerphile1 wrote: »Protranser wrote: »Has anyone migrated their taste preferences away from soda, candy, and cakes to fruit and sweet vegetables? Was this a choice you had to commit to, or did it suddenly happen for you, like it did for me?
Background is below, feel free to skip.
My SO really likes sugar, is pre-diabetic and on medication. I realize there's nothing wrong with sugar in moderation, and I get the impression moderation is harder for people who have a dietary preference for candy, soda, and cakes.
I've never been a huge fan of soda, I do love cake and pastries, and I am okay with candy. I frequently find myself eating fruit and some veggies for sweet flavors, versus pouring sugar into my food/drink. This is not to say I completely abstain from devil worship. I enjoy the occasional demonic possession, and run into a nearby parking lot to cry when I'm done eating it, as is the proper way to atone for sin.
am I the only person who finds this part to be offensive?
Offensive no, but very, very sad that the OP has such a distorted view of food. The sniff test indicates an eating disorder or at least one in the making.
Well actually the way I read the original post was that it was intended as complete humor and maybe a weak point for the OP, but intended to be taken lightly in the worst case. So really for me it becomes a question of intentions and how the others reading those written words take them.
Does the OP have a distorted view of food, or was he completely joking and some could assume you have a distorted view of his sense of humor? I think it's quite possible neither, either, or both could be true.0 -
I agree with everyone above who said that no one will change their habits until they're ready and they want to, so be patient and kind with your SO
That being said: As far as my own experience, my tastes haven't exactly changed (I still love all the old things I used to over-consume) but my habits have changed (I eat them much less frequently and/or in moderation) and my cravings are much less frequent/not as strong. My biggest struggle is with savory treats although I did have a much bigger sweet tooth when I was eating unhealthy all the time; I could eat a giant plate of nachos for every meal every day and not get sick of it or Chinese food or pizza, you get the picture.
It definitely took intentionally making different decisions in order for my cravings to lessen/change. I had to come to a point mentally where I was ready to do things differently. For me, logging my food was a huge eye-opener and the more I log, the more I am motivated to eat more satiating, nutrient-dense whole foods because I want to get the most bang for my caloric buck. The more I eat satiating, nutrient-dense whole foods, the less I crave the nachos and the chocolate, etc. (Alternately, the more "junk" foods I eat, the more I crave them; it's still soooo easy for me to fall out of healthier habits.)
Learning that I can absolutely work my "junk" favorites in to my diet in moderation made a huge difference in my life--the lifestyle change is a lot easier when I know I don't have to fully cut anything out of my diet. I've also found that I can re-create my favorites in healthier and lower calorie ways. Tonight I'm going to make a burrito bowl for dinner--ground turkey, black beans, pico de gallo, green onions, shredded lettuce, and cheese with hot sauce. Reminiscent of those nachos and big Mexican meals I love, totally hits the craving nail on the head, but fits within my calories and gives me sustenance and nutrients! When I'm making decisions on my calorie-usage for the day, I eat fewer sweets now because I'd rather treat myself with extra cheese and sour cream than with cake. And I do legit crave vegetables and lean protein now in a way I didn't before. Roasted cauliflower? Salmon and asparagus? Heck yeah!
PS I hope you were being facetious with the whole devil talk; in my experience, seeing foods as "bad" or "good" led me to having an unhealthy relationship with food and caused me a lot of guilt I didn't need to experience.
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If she is pre-diabetic, there absolutely IS something wrong with eating a diet high in sugar. It isn't good for anyone, but it could be deadly for her. Dietary choices make a huge difference for someone with insulin resistance.
I've never really had a preference for sweet things...I'm more of a reformed Pastafarian than a devil-worshiper. I really love pasta and rice with savory seasonings and would love to be able to eat them in overly-large servings. 0 -
Protranser wrote: »Has anyone migrated their taste preferences away from soda, candy, and cakes to fruit and sweet vegetables? Was this a choice you had to commit to, or did it suddenly happen for you, like it did for me?
My cravings are more for salty and crunchy (chips for example) & the only time I crave sugar is when I want a soda. Soda's are my downfall which I'm trying to get out of my life, so now when I crave a soda I grab a water with lemon or use the crystal light or something like that for the "sweet" taste. I love fruit but have been recently tested for allergies as some fruits that I loved as a kid now give me problems (can't have bananas, kiwi and even peanuts (yes I know not a fruit) due to a allergy) so I have to stick to grapes and strawberries to get my "natural" sweetness.
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I had a horrible sweet tooth; I stopped eating desserts and drinking soda for about a year and a half. It really "reset" my taste buds or my brain. I crave sweets less often and need less to be satisfied now. Sounds like an addiction doesn't it?0
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I am not a huge sugar person, for me it is all about the salty but I think your question is more about the coping than sugar per say.
I wouldn't say I'll ever overcome my salty cravings or that they'll magically be replaced by luscious natural produce BUT I have learned to curb. This has all been about a strategic system of replacements and the real thing.
To add more colour to that, I now plan to satisfy my salt needs by making potato wedges, kale chips or the like regularly. I will also allow the indulgence of a bag of salt & vinegar chips (my poison of choice) on the occasion that the healthy substitute will not suffice.
The result of this approach has been about a 80% reduction in the intake of the really sinful stuff (to keep you motif going!).
My recommendation is look up some raw vegan blogs & find plant based substitutes for the things you & the SO love. Get your kicks without the guilt 80-90% of the time.0 -
Protranser wrote: »Has anyone migrated their taste preferences away from soda, candy, and cakes to fruit and sweet vegetables? Was this a choice you had to commit to, or did it suddenly happen for you, like it did for me?
Background is below, feel free to skip.
My SO really likes sugar, is pre-diabetic and on medication. I realize there's nothing wrong with sugar in moderation, and I get the impression moderation is harder for people who have a dietary preference for candy, soda, and cakes.
I've never been a huge fan of soda, I do love cake and pastries, and I am okay with candy. I frequently find myself eating fruit and some veggies for sweet flavors, versus pouring sugar into my food/drink. This is not to say I completely abstain from devil worship. I enjoy the occasional demonic possession, and run into a nearby parking lot to cry when I'm done eating it, as is the proper way to atone for sin.
am I the only person who finds this part to be offensive?
Yes.0 -
beemerphile1 wrote: »Protranser wrote: »I have noticed since doing MFP and paying attention to meeting the minimum goals for my protein and fat intake, that my cravings for sugary foods have gone down drastically - not 100% - as every so often the sugar-monster makes an appearance and I have to have something like a Little Debbie cake or a Rice Krispies treat or a lollipop - but I've gone from wanting it daily, every time I'm hungry, to only wanting it every so often.
Hmm. Okay. Next time I cook, I'll try to add in more protein. My SO has no desire to lose weight or change diet, so when we spend time together, I'm trying to see if I can at least mitigate some of the poor diet choices my SO makes. This is probably the wrong idea though; when we're not together, my SO will just go back to eating a low protein, high fat, high sugar/carb diet, all the while maintaining a mostly sedentary lifestyle with no meaningful exercise.
it's the wrong idea if by doing that you hope to change her preferences, yes for the reasons you say. showing her a lovely meal she might add to her repertoire wouldn't be bad though
I don't see the OP writing 'her' or 'she' anywhere. We shouldn't make assumptions.
Good catch and huge apologies. Not sure why I made that assumption, thank you for the correction.0 -
It is hard when the SO is not on board, but there is nothing you can do. Let it go. Do your best for yourself anyway. Sometimes, the SOs eventually get on board at some point in the future. 0
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You all have a pretty good sense of my warped humor!
Yes, it is unfortunate. Even with a medical professional's advice suggesting a lowered sugar intake would contribute to better health, my partner would still prefer not to be in better health.
I know controlling is not the right answer, so I suppose all i can realistically do is sit back and watch.
Thank you all for contributing your experiences!0 -
robertw486 wrote: »beemerphile1 wrote: »Protranser wrote: »Has anyone migrated their taste preferences away from soda, candy, and cakes to fruit and sweet vegetables? Was this a choice you had to commit to, or did it suddenly happen for you, like it did for me?
Background is below, feel free to skip.
My SO really likes sugar, is pre-diabetic and on medication. I realize there's nothing wrong with sugar in moderation, and I get the impression moderation is harder for people who have a dietary preference for candy, soda, and cakes.
I've never been a huge fan of soda, I do love cake and pastries, and I am okay with candy. I frequently find myself eating fruit and some veggies for sweet flavors, versus pouring sugar into my food/drink. This is not to say I completely abstain from devil worship. I enjoy the occasional demonic possession, and run into a nearby parking lot to cry when I'm done eating it, as is the proper way to atone for sin.
am I the only person who finds this part to be offensive?
Offensive no, but very, very sad that the OP has such a distorted view of food. The sniff test indicates an eating disorder or at least one in the making.
Well actually the way I read the original post was that it was intended as complete humor and maybe a weak point for the OP, but intended to be taken lightly in the worst case. So really for me it becomes a question of intentions and how the others reading those written words take them.
Does the OP have a distorted view of food, or was he completely joking and some could assume you have a distorted view of his sense of humor? I think it's quite possible neither, either, or both could be true.
Yes, I interpreted the OP as poking fun at the concept of sugar as the devil and do see others as having distorted views of his sense of humor.0 -
Protranser wrote: »Has anyone migrated their taste preferences away from soda, candy, and cakes to fruit and sweet vegetables? Was this a choice you had to commit to, or did it suddenly happen for you, like it did for me?
Background is below, feel free to skip.
My SO really likes sugar, is pre-diabetic and on medication. I realize there's nothing wrong with sugar in moderation, and I get the impression moderation is harder for people who have a dietary preference for candy, soda, and cakes.
I've never been a huge fan of soda, I do love cake and pastries, and I am okay with candy. I frequently find myself eating fruit and some veggies for sweet flavors, versus pouring sugar into my food/drink. This is not to say I completely abstain from devil worship. I enjoy the occasional demonic possession, and run into a nearby parking lot to cry when I'm done eating it, as is the proper way to atone for sin.
LOL
Clever!
I am prediabetic too and had issues with sugar and carb cravings. Really I enjoyed the sugar, but eating complex carbs or even large amounts of veggies set me up for more sugar cravings. Soda and candies were my "satan" but carbs "led me down the path to temptation".
If I had some I wanted more. I rarely felt full and I failed miserably at moderating for years. I could never have just a bite or two.
I went very low carb to deal with my IR and autoimmune issues. My IR was most likely not brought on by obesity since I was only 20 lbs overweight; it was probably steroid caused. I am now a normal weight, a size 8-10, and my prediabetic blood levels come back immediately if I eat 30-50g of carbs, too much protein, or large, late meals. Weight loss didn't cut it for me.
Anyway, I found that once I was in ketosis, my appetite and carb cravings dropped off within a week. I was very pleasantly surprised by that! It is easy for me to skip sugars once the cravings were gone. I ate at a modest deficit and lost weight at a faster rate than I expected. No sugar and low carbs = less hungry so I didn't want sugars and carbs.
No temptation = no sin.
The first week was tough though... Actually the hardest thing was working up to doing it. To cutting out sugars and most carbs. It took me months to get there. People have to be ready to do it and most don't want to.0 -
Protranser wrote: »Has anyone migrated their taste preferences away from soda, candy, and cakes to fruit and sweet vegetables? Was this a choice you had to commit to, or did it suddenly happen for you, like it did for me?
Background is below, feel free to skip.
My SO really likes sugar, is pre-diabetic and on medication. I realize there's nothing wrong with sugar in moderation, and I get the impression moderation is harder for people who have a dietary preference for candy, soda, and cakes.
I've never been a huge fan of soda, I do love cake and pastries, and I am okay with candy. I frequently find myself eating fruit and some veggies for sweet flavors, versus pouring sugar into my food/drink. This is not to say I completely abstain from devil worship. I enjoy the occasional demonic possession, and run into a nearby parking lot to cry when I'm done eating it, as is the proper way to atone for sin.
am I the only person who finds this part to be offensive?
I can't be offended when I have absolutely NO idea what he's even talking about... Running into a car park and crying?? Obviously I've missed something.0 -
christinev297 wrote: »Protranser wrote: »Has anyone migrated their taste preferences away from soda, candy, and cakes to fruit and sweet vegetables? Was this a choice you had to commit to, or did it suddenly happen for you, like it did for me?
Background is below, feel free to skip.
My SO really likes sugar, is pre-diabetic and on medication. I realize there's nothing wrong with sugar in moderation, and I get the impression moderation is harder for people who have a dietary preference for candy, soda, and cakes.
I've never been a huge fan of soda, I do love cake and pastries, and I am okay with candy. I frequently find myself eating fruit and some veggies for sweet flavors, versus pouring sugar into my food/drink. This is not to say I completely abstain from devil worship. I enjoy the occasional demonic possession, and run into a nearby parking lot to cry when I'm done eating it, as is the proper way to atone for sin.
am I the only person who finds this part to be offensive?
I can't be offended when I have absolutely NO idea what he's even talking about... Running into a car park and crying?? Obviously I've missed something.
Maybe more like running into a coffee shop and having a pastry.0 -
azulvioleta6 wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »Protranser wrote: »Has anyone migrated their taste preferences away from soda, candy, and cakes to fruit and sweet vegetables? Was this a choice you had to commit to, or did it suddenly happen for you, like it did for me?
Background is below, feel free to skip.
My SO really likes sugar, is pre-diabetic and on medication. I realize there's nothing wrong with sugar in moderation, and I get the impression moderation is harder for people who have a dietary preference for candy, soda, and cakes.
I've never been a huge fan of soda, I do love cake and pastries, and I am okay with candy. I frequently find myself eating fruit and some veggies for sweet flavors, versus pouring sugar into my food/drink. This is not to say I completely abstain from devil worship. I enjoy the occasional demonic possession, and run into a nearby parking lot to cry when I'm done eating it, as is the proper way to atone for sin.
am I the only person who finds this part to be offensive?
I can't be offended when I have absolutely NO idea what he's even talking about... Running into a car park and crying?? Obviously I've missed something.
Maybe more like running into a coffee shop and having a pastry.
lol, i do enjoy my forsaken pastries and my espresso drinks filled to the brim with ill repute 0 -
nvmomketo and other keto/low carbers i've been seeing contribute to these forums, I'm glad to hear your sugar cravings have vanished.
I am seeing a repeating theme in this thread that illustrates the importance of choosing to commit to healthier living, whatever that translates to for us individually. I suppose my SO feels like they're living the best they can, and I should just accept that and live the best I can.0
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