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shrinkingmommyxo
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Can I do Keto even though I have high cholesterol? I did ask doctor about it she just say oh don't do it it's not sustainable most people will regain their weight . She suggest me to do weightwatchers. But I don't want to do weightwatchers since its doesn't teach anything , just count foods on point system.
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So you asked a medical professional who knows all about your personal health history, regarding the safety of a diet, didn't like their answer, and decided to trust strangers on the internet instead? I would agree with your doctor that ketosis is not a sustainable plan, and that most people do regain the weight they lose. That being said, most people regain the weight they lose on any diet plan. Ketosis does not cause any additional fat loss beyond the caloric deficit it creates. Using the same caloric deficit, but eating a diet that includes carbs will yield you the same results. It might make more sense to simply eat a reduced calorie, mixed diet that focuses on minimally processed whole food and allows for less nutritious foods in moderation. That sounds like something that is indeed sustainable long term and should only benefit your cholesterol levels.shrinkingmommyxo wrote: »Can I do Keto even though I have high cholesterol? I did ask doctor about it she just say oh don't do it it's not sustainable most people will regain their weight . She suggest me to do weightwatchers. But I don't want to do weightwatchers since its doesn't teach anything , just count foods on point system.0 -
So you asked a medical professional who knows all about your personal health history, regarding the safety of a diet, didn't like their answer, and decided to trust strangers on the internet instead? I would agree with your doctor that ketosis is not a sustainable plan, and that most people do regain the weight they lose. That being said, most people regain the weight they lose on any diet plan. Ketosis does not cause any additional fat loss beyond the caloric deficit it creates. Using the same caloric deficit, but eating a diet that includes carbs will yield you the same results. It might make more sense to simply eat a reduced calorie, mixed diet that focuses on minimally processed whole food and allows for less nutritious foods in moderation. That sounds like something that is indeed sustainable long term and should only benefit your cholesterol levels.shrinkingmommyxo wrote: »Can I do Keto even though I have high cholesterol? I did ask doctor about it she just say oh don't do it it's not sustainable most people will regain their weight . She suggest me to do weightwatchers. But I don't want to do weightwatchers since its doesn't teach anything , just count foods on point system.
^ All of this. Every word of it.0 -
Yeah, keto is not necessary for weight loss, but doctor didn't say anything about safety regarding cholesterol, just that it isn't sustainable in that most people will regain their weight afterwards.
Why will the natural alternative be Weightwatchers? Why not just find a calorie counting website, determine your calorie need, eat whatever food you like, weigh and log your food? There's got to be something you can use out there, just keep looking
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I'm high carb. I love beans and oatmeal which are good for lowering cholesterol.0
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shrinkingmommyxo wrote: »Can I do Keto even though I have high cholesterol? I did ask doctor about it she just say oh don't do it it's not sustainable most people will regain their weight . She suggest me to do weightwatchers. But I don't want to do weightwatchers since its doesn't teach anything , just count foods on point system.
1. and what exactly does keto teach you?
2. for what its worth, my did did adkins once upon a time and his cholesterol went through the roof.
3. by doing keto, you are eliminating many of the things that are actually beneficial to lowering cholesterol0 -
kommodevaran wrote: »Why not just find a calorie counting website, determine your calorie need, eat whatever food you like, weigh and log your food? There's got to be something you can use out there, just keep looking
Your suggestion sounds too good to be true. How on earth could there be such a program that helps you calculate your caloric needs AND provides a database of entries for food logging? Next thing you will tell me is that there is a helpful community of seasoned veterans waiting to answer questions and provide insight (and funny gifs).
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You don't need to do keto for weight loss. A calorie deficit will suffice.
Eat within MFP calorie limits, log your foods and exercise.0 -
shrinkingmommyxo wrote: »Can I do Keto even though I have high cholesterol? I did ask doctor about it she just say oh don't do it it's not sustainable most people will regain their weight . She suggest me to do weightwatchers. But I don't want to do weightwatchers since its doesn't teach anything , just count foods on point system.
A ketogenic diet is sustainable. I can easily imagine doing it for years even though I have only been on it for six months. The health benefits of this WOE are too great for me to walk away from it. In the Low Carber Daily and keto groups there are many who have been keto for years and are healthier for it. Check out those boards for more knowledgeable advice on it.
I do agree that if you stop a ketogenic diet (and were eating at a deficit) you will be more likely to regain your weight, but that is true of ALL diets. If you go back to what made you fat you will get fat. Again. That isn't just true of a ketogenic diet.
As for cholesterol, it is a myth for the vast majority of people that a high fat, low carb diet is bad for cholesterol and causes CAD. It isn't true. Most on a ketogenic det will see an improvement in cholesterol. Triglycerides go down, HDL goes up, Lp(a) goes down, and LDL usually stays about the same but it changes into the healthier, fluffy pattern A variety rather than the denser, less healthy pattern B type. There are exceptions to this but those people are not the rule. Just look through the Low Carb groups for anecdotal proof of this
Read cholesterol Clarity or the Great Cholesterol Mythfor more information. Or just google it. A high carb intake is MUCH more likely to raise cholesterol than a low carb diet.
Best wishes.0 -
I should add that I agree that a ketogenic diet is not the only to lose weight. Many people do fine by simply moderating their food intake, but many do better on a very LCHF diet. Most people won't know which group they are in until they try.0
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Ketosis is indeed sustainable. Sure you can lose weight on ANY calorie deficit, but what some of the earlier posters neglect to tell you is that the TYPE of weight you lose (Fat vs Muscle) will vary depending on your macros.
You can lose tons of weight (mostly muscle) eating snickers bars at a deficit, or with a Ketogenic diet you can lose mostly fat. Also, there's so much more to diet than weight loss. The Ketogenic diet provides the best overall health improvement. I vote for Ketosis....althought it might not be for mere mortals......
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shrinkingmommyxo wrote: »Can I do Keto even though I have high cholesterol? I did ask doctor about it she just say oh don't do it it's not sustainable most people will regain their weight . She suggest me to do weightwatchers. But I don't want to do weightwatchers since its doesn't teach anything , just count foods on point system.
A ketogenic diet is sustainable. I can easily imagine doing it for years even though I have only been on it for six months. The health benefits of this WOE are too great for me to walk away from it. In the Low Carber Daily and keto groups there are many who have been keto for years and are healthier for it. Check out those boards for more knowledgeable advice on it.
I do agree that if you stop a ketogenic diet (and were eating at a deficit) you will be more likely to regain your weight, but that is true of ALL diets. If you go back to what made you fat you will get fat. Again. That isn't just true of a ketogenic diet.
As for cholesterol, it is a myth for the vast majority of people that a high fat, low carb diet is bad for cholesterol and causes CAD. It isn't true. Most on a ketogenic det will see an improvement in cholesterol. Triglycerides go down, HDL goes up, Lp(a) goes down, and LDL usually stays about the same but it changes into the healthier, fluffy pattern A variety rather than the denser, less healthy pattern B type. There are exceptions to this but those people are not the rule. Just look through the Low Carb groups for anecdotal proof of this
Read cholesterol Clarity or the Great Cholesterol Mythfor more information. Or just google it. A high carb intake is MUCH more likely to raise cholesterol than a low carb diet.
Best wishes.
This. Do research how high carbohydrate intake raises cholesterol levels.
Also, there's a lot of ignorance regarding calorie in and calorie out. It's not as simple as calculating the number of calories a person needs and eating just that amount to lose weight. If it were that simple, we wouldn't need MFP.
See if you can get an appointment with a nutritionist. Keto may not be the answer for you, but low carb might be.
Low carb is what my doctor recommended for me to lower my cholesterol. People who know nothing about low carb make all kinds of assumptions that are incorrect. There are foods that remove cholesterol from the body that are low carb friendly, such as oatmeal and lentils, as well as others. Make an appointment with a nutritionist to get the facts.
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shrinkingmommyxo wrote: »Can I do Keto even though I have high cholesterol? I did ask doctor about it she just say oh don't do it it's not sustainable most people will regain their weight . She suggest me to do weightwatchers. But I don't want to do weightwatchers since its doesn't teach anything , just count foods on point system.
Keto generally improves your lipid profile - lower triglycerides, higher HDL, especially if you're selective with the oil / fat types.
One professional's personal experience at http://www.lowcarbdietitian.com/blog/lipid-changes-on-a-very-low-carb-ketogenic-diet-my-own-experience0 -
shrinkingmommyxo wrote: »Can I do Keto even though I have high cholesterol? I did ask doctor about it she just say oh don't do it it's not sustainable most people will regain their weight . She suggest me to do weightwatchers. But I don't want to do weightwatchers since its doesn't teach anything , just count foods on point system.
A ketogenic diet is sustainable. I can easily imagine doing it for years even though I have only been on it for six months. The health benefits of this WOE are too great for me to walk away from it. In the Low Carber Daily and keto groups there are many who have been keto for years and are healthier for it. Check out those boards for more knowledgeable advice on it.
I do agree that if you stop a ketogenic diet (and were eating at a deficit) you will be more likely to regain your weight, but that is true of ALL diets. If you go back to what made you fat you will get fat. Again. That isn't just true of a ketogenic diet.
As for cholesterol, it is a myth for the vast majority of people that a high fat, low carb diet is bad for cholesterol and causes CAD. It isn't true. Most on a ketogenic det will see an improvement in cholesterol. Triglycerides go down, HDL goes up, Lp(a) goes down, and LDL usually stays about the same but it changes into the healthier, fluffy pattern A variety rather than the denser, less healthy pattern B type. There are exceptions to this but those people are not the rule. Just look through the Low Carb groups for anecdotal proof of this
Read cholesterol Clarity or the Great Cholesterol Mythfor more information. Or just google it. A high carb intake is MUCH more likely to raise cholesterol than a low carb diet.
Best wishes.
This. Do research how high carbohydrate intake raises cholesterol levels.
Also, there's a lot of ignorance regarding calorie in and calorie out. It's not as simple as calculating the number of calories a person needs and eating just that amount to lose weight. If it were that simple, we wouldn't need MFP.
See if you can get an appointment with a nutritionist. Keto may not be the answer for you, but low carb might be.
Low carb is what my doctor recommended for me to lower my cholesterol. People who know nothing about low carb make all kinds of assumptions that are incorrect. There are foods that remove cholesterol from the body that are low carb friendly, such as oatmeal and lentils, as well as others. Make an appointment with a nutritionist to get the facts.
It is as simple as getting your correct numbers and eating below them. People need MFP because people in general suck at just estimating their intake.0 -
If you do what Vismal said, you will be pretty much doing low carb. When you eat at a calorie deficit you cannot heap scoops of pasta on your plate. Get plenty of protein, vegetables, healthy fats and yes...carbs!! I try to stick with the multigrains, That's all it takes, eat regular food, at a modest calorie deficit. This is what works and is sustainable. Life is too short to not enjoy that slice of pizza or whatever it is you normally enjoy.
I want to add I did it for about 8 months. My cholesterol did go up. My numbers only got better after I lost 40 lbs, and that was by eating normally, just smaller portions0 -
No eating plan is sustainable for most overweight people. No way of eating is better than another. Look at the new threads here - piles of "I'm back starting again", tens of thousands of people who lost weight and put it all back. In the end it's motivation - studies show that people who have serious health issues that are connected with diet and really see the connection are more likely to keep the weight off. "My doctor says if I don't lose weigh I'll die" is not enough motivation.
I happen to be on a fairly aggressive ketogenic diet. I have health issues that seem to be alleviated by it and I also happen to be losing weight, but weight loss is not my primary goal. However I am the lowest weight I've been in 30 years, and my blood levels are normal. I would not recommend keto for most people- it requires more attention to details than most are willing to give. I won't know if what I'm doing is sustainable for at least 2 years.
For some people, the high fat comsumption in keto helps with food cravings.
Keep it simple, count calories, lose weight, get bored and stop, then come back and start again.0 -
shrinkingmommyxo wrote: »Can I do Keto even though I have high cholesterol? I did ask doctor about it she just say oh don't do it it's not sustainable most people will regain their weight . She suggest me to do weightwatchers. But I don't want to do weightwatchers since its doesn't teach anything , just count foods on point system.
A ketogenic diet is sustainable. I can easily imagine doing it for years even though I have only been on it for six months. The health benefits of this WOE are too great for me to walk away from it. In the Low Carber Daily and keto groups there are many who have been keto for years and are healthier for it. Check out those boards for more knowledgeable advice on it.
I do agree that if you stop a ketogenic diet (and were eating at a deficit) you will be more likely to regain your weight, but that is true of ALL diets. If you go back to what made you fat you will get fat. Again. That isn't just true of a ketogenic diet.
As for cholesterol, it is a myth for the vast majority of people that a high fat, low carb diet is bad for cholesterol and causes CAD. It isn't true. Most on a ketogenic det will see an improvement in cholesterol. Triglycerides go down, HDL goes up, Lp(a) goes down, and LDL usually stays about the same but it changes into the healthier, fluffy pattern A variety rather than the denser, less healthy pattern B type. There are exceptions to this but those people are not the rule. Just look through the Low Carb groups for anecdotal proof of this
Read cholesterol Clarity or the Great Cholesterol Mythfor more information. Or just google it. A high carb intake is MUCH more likely to raise cholesterol than a low carb diet.
Best wishes.
Also, there's a lot of ignorance regarding calorie in and calorie out. It's not as simple as calculating the number of calories a person needs and eating just that amount to lose weight. If it were that simple, we wouldn't need MFP.
No, it is actually that simple, in order to lose weight. All that is required is a calorie deficit. What makes it difficult is maintaining that calorie deficit. Some people find keto or low carb an easier way to create the calorie deficit. Others feel that is too restrictive and prefer other methods to create the calorie deficit. Why people need MFP is that as @stevencloser pointed out - most people don't understand their basic caloric requirements. If people had a good understanding of their TDEE, AND they had ways of estimating their calories in and calories out, they wouldn't actually need MFP. However, MFP is a tool that helps with all of that, but it is just one tool. It doesn't exist because CICO doesn't work. It exists because CICO does work - but people need data to plug into the equation.
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First, lets put cholesterol in perspective.
I would suggest the following two videos available on youtube:
I think this should be mandatory viewing for anyone considering statin drug therapy.
For those who are constantly discrediting the author for having hidden interest and bias. This documentary was produced by an Australian program (Catalyst.) You won't find it broadcast in the US seeing as big-pharma has such a stranglehold on information.0 -
Diet only affects your cholesterol by less that 8%. Exercise is what helps your cholesterol. I presented a study to my doctor of overweight people with high cholesterol and high insulin problems eating a 30g carb diet primarily of unsaturated fats and she approved of it. Exercise is what will help your cholesterol. Point blank.0
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Cholesterol is not the problem, period. Triglycerides are a better indicator.ogmomma2012 wrote: »Exercise is what will help your cholesterol. Point blank.
The entire Cholesterol Theory was based off of bad science and they keep moving the goal posts to justify putting you on a statin drug.
So getting back to the original question .....
Yes, you can do a Keto/Low Carb diet no matter what your cholesterol numbers are.shrinkingmommyxo wrote: »Can I do Keto even though I have high cholesterol?
And for some light reading I would suggest:- The Great Cholesterol Myth
- Lipitor Thief of Memory
....oh, and as a side note, I've been doing Keto/Low Carb for close to four years now. My Triglycerides have dropped. My doctor nagged me into a statin but I quit taking them after 3 months later after becoming better educated. This was after what had been acceptable levels for years, were suddenly deemed as too high (presumably based on research done by the marketing/sales division.)0 -
Cholesterol is not the problem, period. Triglycerides are a better indicator.ogmomma2012 wrote: »Exercise is what will help your cholesterol. Point blank.
The entire Cholesterol Theory was based off of bad science and they keep moving the goal posts to justify putting you on a statin drug.
So getting back to the original question .....
Yes, you can do a Keto/Low Carb diet no matter what your cholesterol numbers are.shrinkingmommyxo wrote: »Can I do Keto even though I have high cholesterol?
And for some light reading I would suggest:- The Great Cholesterol Myth
- Lipitor Thief of Memory
....oh, and as a side note, I've been doing Keto/Low Carb for close to four years now. My Triglycerides have dropped. My doctor nagged me into a statin but I quit taking them after 3 months later after becoming better educated. This was after what had been acceptable levels for years, were suddenly deemed as too high (presumably based on research done by the marketing/sales division.)
Do you know what the original low end of the 'bad science' for a cholesterol reading was?
OP at age 22 what was your overall cholesterol number?
As a reference, The Great Cholesterol Myth, is an interesting read. From p.184, 'the higher the average daily consumption of vegetables and fruits, the lower the chances of developing cardiovascular disease. Compared with those in the lowest category of fruit and vegetable intake(fewer than one and half servings daily). those averaging eight or more servings per day were a whopping 30 percent less likely to have had a heart attack or stroke."0 -
_Terrapin_ wrote: »
Cholesterol is not the problem, period. Triglycerides are a better indicator.ogmomma2012 wrote: »Exercise is what will help your cholesterol. Point blank.
The entire Cholesterol Theory was based off of bad science and they keep moving the goal posts to justify putting you on a statin drug.
So getting back to the original question .....
Yes, you can do a Keto/Low Carb diet no matter what your cholesterol numbers are.shrinkingmommyxo wrote: »Can I do Keto even though I have high cholesterol?
And for some light reading I would suggest:- The Great Cholesterol Myth
- Lipitor Thief of Memory
....oh, and as a side note, I've been doing Keto/Low Carb for close to four years now. My Triglycerides have dropped. My doctor nagged me into a statin but I quit taking them after 3 months later after becoming better educated. This was after what had been acceptable levels for years, were suddenly deemed as too high (presumably based on research done by the marketing/sales division.)
Do you know what the original low end of the 'bad science' for a cholesterol reading was?
OP at age 22 what was your overall cholesterol number?
As a reference, The Great Cholesterol Myth, is an interesting read. From p.184, 'the higher the average daily consumption of vegetables and fruits, the lower the chances of developing cardiovascular disease. Compared with those in the lowest category of fruit and vegetable intake(fewer than one and half servings daily). those averaging eight or more servings per day were a whopping 30 percent less likely to have had a heart attack or stroke."
Wait? Don't people limit fruits and veg on keto?
So what you're saying is that the OPs doctor was right to advise her against keto ?
OP I'm throwing my hat in the ring of calorie counting...and whilst my carbs did reduce I still ate 2-300g carbs a day, didn't give up toast, cookies, chips or rice and have a balanced nutritionally sound diet that has helped me stick to maintaining my 55lb weight loss for the majority of 20150 -
_Terrapin_ wrote: »
Cholesterol is not the problem, period. Triglycerides are a better indicator.ogmomma2012 wrote: »Exercise is what will help your cholesterol. Point blank.
The entire Cholesterol Theory was based off of bad science and they keep moving the goal posts to justify putting you on a statin drug.
So getting back to the original question .....
Yes, you can do a Keto/Low Carb diet no matter what your cholesterol numbers are.shrinkingmommyxo wrote: »Can I do Keto even though I have high cholesterol?
And for some light reading I would suggest:- The Great Cholesterol Myth
- Lipitor Thief of Memory
....oh, and as a side note, I've been doing Keto/Low Carb for close to four years now. My Triglycerides have dropped. My doctor nagged me into a statin but I quit taking them after 3 months later after becoming better educated. This was after what had been acceptable levels for years, were suddenly deemed as too high (presumably based on research done by the marketing/sales division.)
Do you know what the original low end of the 'bad science' for a cholesterol reading was?
OP at age 22 what was your overall cholesterol number?
As a reference, The Great Cholesterol Myth, is an interesting read. From p.184, 'the higher the average daily consumption of vegetables and fruits, the lower the chances of developing cardiovascular disease. Compared with those in the lowest category of fruit and vegetable intake(fewer than one and half servings daily). those averaging eight or more servings per day were a whopping 30 percent less likely to have had a heart attack or stroke."
Wait? Don't people limit fruits and veg on keto?
So what you're saying is that the OPs doctor was right to advise her against keto ?
OP I'm throwing my hat in the ring of calorie counting...and whilst my carbs did reduce I still ate 2-300g carbs a day, didn't give up toast, cookies, chips or rice and have a balanced nutritionally sound diet that has helped me stick to maintaining my 55lb weight loss for the majority of 2015
My guess is that this is compared to SAD which is not often high in fruit and veggies. Keto does not need to be low in plant foods, there are plant based ketogenic diets out there. Keto'ers limit carbs, but most of our carbs come from veggies and a bit of fruit so veggie intake does not need to be low.
Amount of veggies eaten would depend in the individual preferences. It is true of those who eat in moderation too.0 -
Really? That surprises from what I've seen people post about eating whilst following keto
So if the average Brit eats over 4 servings of veg a day (and yet over 7 is promoted) you say those following keto eat 8? So 600g vegetables minimum
Now that would be good wouldn't it
Food Statistics Pocketbook 2013, DEFRA0 -
gotta love internet experts giving actual medical advice....
from everything i've researched and looked at, pretty much nobody knows or can prove anything either way where cholesterol is concerned and you can find pretty much anything slanted anyway you choose...giving medical advice to users based on your beliefs and bias is pretty reckless.0 -
Atkins Phase 1 requires 12-15g of carbs from what they call foundation vegetables, most people aim for a few hundred grams of the lower carb ones.
The average (mean ?) purchase of 4.0 serving of 5-a-day fruit/fruit juice/veg is 320 grams, veg is but a part of that. When I looked a while back I remember being way over the median.0 -
Oh gosh I don't follow keto and I eat on average a kilo of veg and fruit a day .
Generally hit over 100g protein and around 300g carbs0 -
Doctors vary in how well they keep up with research. You could get a second opinion.
My opinion: my doctor told me to cut sugar and carbs for my high cholesterol. Keto helps a lot of people, but not all people, with their cholesterol. You would be well served by trying any dietary changes for about 4 months at a time, then getting your cholesterol tested to see if there has been an effect. Clearly, to do this, you should be talking to a doctor about the tests.0 -
Oh gosh I don't follow keto and I eat on average a kilo of veg and fruit a day .
that probably makes you an outlier, as the average purchase of fruit and veg excluding potato is 2.1 kg per week. Average vegetable (exc potato) is a sniff over 1kg, of which 20% is estimated to be wasted, leaving an average consumption under 120 grams per day.
Keto doesn't prevent one having 5 a day, but only 30% of Brits achieve that anyway so it isn't a specifically keto problem.0 -
Of course I'm an outlier ..a higher proportion of those of us who post on MFP are by dint of our interest in health and fitness and the fact so many have successfully lost or losing weight and maintaining that loss
Remember supposedly only 5% dieters have long term success
Continued focus and endless discussions are a tool
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