Looking to gain a clean 40 lbs
anakid62
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I lift weights but I'm still in a calorie deficit my number to reach is around 3700
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You won't gain eating in a calorie deficit. I assume 3700 is what you calculated it will take to gain?
I guess I'm not understanding the question...0 -
I would eat at a surplus if your interested in gaining weight .
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To gain clean 40 pounds? What is this?
Get out the deficit..0 -
I will thanks seems like I'm eating non stop though lol0
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3700 and still in a deficit? WHOA! I'm jealous.0
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Well just eat eat eat lol I know though it seems like you're eating all the time but it will be worth it0
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If you think by eating 'clean' you won't gain fat, you're mistaken0
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40 pounds seems like a mountain to me. I'm new to MFP & gains but I see a common trend with BIG gains right off the hop. Not meaning to be a stick about it but why not lower the target at first? Go for 5. Then once you reach it. Go for another 5 etc. All the best on your gains.0
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TavistockToad wrote: »If you think by eating 'clean' you won't gain fat, you're mistaken
Amen. In the end... calories are king. Now, OP.. start eating.0 -
If you want to gain 40 pounds of muscle I'll have to break it too you the hard way: it's not going to happen if you are a natural lifter. Even a young natural lifter is going to struggle to gain 25 pounds of muscle over the course of their life and as you get older your potential drops significantly. If you want to gain 40 pounds and maximize the amount of muscle you gain then eat in a small surplus of about 250 to 500 cals per day. If you can gain 10lbs of muscle within the next year you will have done a stellar job.0
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Yep to illustrate that fact, I dirty-bulked last year for six months and after cutting all summer I was left with a shiny new 5 pounds of natural LBM.0
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If you take showers the weight will be clean.
I'm confused by your post.
If you want to gain, eat at a surplus. The amount of fat gain will be determined by the amount of calorie surplus.
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I bet a burger would be tasty0
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Clean? You're gonna need some special "gear" to do that then.
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sjohnson__1 wrote: »3700 and still in a deficit? WHOA! I'm jealous.
That was my thought0 -
going to gain fat no matter what you do if that is what you mean by 'clean'. 3,700 in a deficit you must be one huge dude
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »If you want to gain 40 pounds of muscle I'll have to break it too you the hard way: it's not going to happen if you are a natural lifter. Even a young natural lifter is going to struggle to gain 25 pounds of muscle over the course of their life and as you get older your potential drops significantly. If you want to gain 40 pounds and maximize the amount of muscle you gain then eat in a small surplus of about 250 to 500 cals per day. If you can gain 10lbs of muscle within the next year you will have done a stellar job.
Yep, gonna take something beyond natural to put on 40 pounds of pure muscle (which is what I'm assuming OP means by "clean 40 pounds"). That would put most guys (even skinny guys) into top-level pro bodybuilder territory. And top-level pro bodybuilders ain't natural.
OP, in case you don't get the lingo, "natural" means not using anabolic steroids.0 -
But: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/whats-my-genetic-muscular-potential.html/
Can't male beginners gain 20-25 lbs of muscle for their first year (2 lbs/month) assuming proper training/diet?
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Possible. Likely? Eh. My first year I gained 30lbs. But I guarantee it wasn't all muscle. Abs had an outline, light definition in my shoulders and my butt got bigger. Thinking I gained about 10lbs of fat.codsterlaing95 wrote: »But: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/whats-my-genetic-muscular-potential.html/
Can't male beginners gain 20-25 lbs of muscle for their first year (2 lbs/month) assuming proper training/diet?
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codsterlaing95 wrote: »But: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/whats-my-genetic-muscular-potential.html/
Can't male beginners gain 20-25 lbs of muscle for their first year (2 lbs/month) assuming proper training/diet?
Yes, it's possible. But did you read the part that said:...Now, if you total up those values, you get a gain of roughly 40-50 pounds of total muscle mass over a lifting career although it might take a solid 4+ years of proper training to achieve that...
Right above that paragraph, Lyle said:...Please note that these are averages and make a few assumptions about proper training and nutrition and such. As well, age will interact with this; older individuals won’t gain as quickly and younger individuals may gain more quickly. For example, it’s not unheard of for underweight high school kids to gain muscle very rapidly. But they are usually starting out very underweight and have the natural anabolic steroid cycle called puberty working for them...
OP is 53 years old according to his profile. You're 20 years old, big difference in several ways.
At the end of the article as Lyle was summing it up:...Both Casey and Martin’s equations are based on top level natural bodybuilders, the group that you’d expect to surpass such limits if they existed (and who’s dedication and work ethic is pretty hard to question). Mine and Alan’s are based on years of experience in the field. If a massive number of exceptions to the above existed, someone would have seen them by now.
Now I think part of this has to do with exceedingly skewed ideas about what’s achievable, a problem driven by pro-bodybuilding. After seeing a pro-bodybuilder stepping on stage at 260 pounds or more and shredded, the idea that a natural may top out at 180-190 pounds of lean body mass (if that) can be disheartening...
A young male beginner, given optimal training and nutrition (and good genetics) could possibly gain 20-25 lbs. of muscle during their first year of training (note "could", not "will"). After that, the rate slows considerably and the gains get progressively harder to make. 40 pounds of muscle is a LOT of muscle. That's not just beefing up your chest and getting big biceps (which may be an additional 5-10 pounds of muscle, depending on your starting point). 40 pounds of muscle is getting HUGE all over your body. Not "that model on the cover of Men's Fitness" huge - more like "that pro bodybuilder on the cover of Muscle & Fitness" huge.
I'd go so far as to say that for most men who aren't willing to dedicate 100% of their life toward being a bodybuilder (and have outstanding genetics), putting on 40 pounds of muscle without using steroids would be a nearly impossible achievement.0 -
codsterlaing95 wrote: »But: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/whats-my-genetic-muscular-potential.html/
Can't male beginners gain 20-25 lbs of muscle for their first year (2 lbs/month) assuming proper training/diet?
Most natural lifters will be in the 20 to 30 pound range for life and that's if everything is good and over 30 pounds is extremely rare and normally limited to the geneticly gifted who have just an amazing and consistent training program. Also note that it's very hard to verify that any of these numbers apply to natural only lifters since we can't tell if the primary research tested properly for the presence of PEDs.0 -
I read OP as he needs to get to 3700 to gain, but can't…..but not sure…
OP you need to eat more food, period.
Also, don't worry about a "clean forty pound gain," whatever that is. Get adequate nutrition, hit macros, get into a surplus, and follow a structured lifting program.0 -
please let me know if you manage to gain a clean 40 lbs without the "supplements"0
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How much do you figure this guy has gained in three years of training? He's a year older than me. It all depends on age IMO.
First progress:
http://imgur.com/a/Iysv3
Current:
https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/l/t1.0-9/7792_10207134603417666_6326443716870908343_n.jpg?oh=31b91c67a366cc793f2e48fc0d895ba2&oe=57469756
From 133 to 196 lbs.0 -
codsterlaing95 wrote: »How much do you figure this guy has gained in three years of training? He's a year older than me. It all depends on age IMO.
First progress:
http://imgur.com/a/Iysv3
Current:
https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/l/t1.0-9/7792_10207134603417666_6326443716870908343_n.jpg?oh=31b91c67a366cc793f2e48fc0d895ba2&oe=57469756
From 133 to 196 lbs.
doesn't even look like he made good progress tbh with you. He gained a lot more fat than anything. He dun goof'd.
He should probably cut and he'd look pretty good though.0 -
LiftingTillDeath wrote: »codsterlaing95 wrote: »How much do you figure this guy has gained in three years of training? He's a year older than me. It all depends on age IMO.
First progress:
http://imgur.com/a/Iysv3
Current:
https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/l/t1.0-9/7792_10207134603417666_6326443716870908343_n.jpg?oh=31b91c67a366cc793f2e48fc0d895ba2&oe=57469756
From 133 to 196 lbs.
doesn't even look like he made good progress tbh with you. He gained a lot more fat than anything. He dun goof'd.
He should probably cut and he'd look pretty good though.
Idk about that. Looks like he's added about 30-35 lbs of mass...
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That's possible in 3 years. That's 10lbs of mass a year and a male in their prime can do that with correct training and nutrition.codsterlaing95 wrote: »LiftingTillDeath wrote: »codsterlaing95 wrote: »How much do you figure this guy has gained in three years of training? He's a year older than me. It all depends on age IMO.
First progress:
http://imgur.com/a/Iysv3
Current:
https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/l/t1.0-9/7792_10207134603417666_6326443716870908343_n.jpg?oh=31b91c67a366cc793f2e48fc0d895ba2&oe=57469756
From 133 to 196 lbs.
doesn't even look like he made good progress tbh with you. He gained a lot more fat than anything. He dun goof'd.
He should probably cut and he'd look pretty good though.
Idk about that. Looks like he's added about 30-35 lbs of mass...
I went from 126lbs to 155lbs ripped for my first contest in 4 years.
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Can't very skinny beginners gain even more? i.e. 6 ft, 130 lbs?0
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