Looking to gain a clean 40 lbs
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codsterlaing95 wrote: »But: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/whats-my-genetic-muscular-potential.html/
Can't male beginners gain 20-25 lbs of muscle for their first year (2 lbs/month) assuming proper training/diet?
Yes, it's possible. But did you read the part that said:...Now, if you total up those values, you get a gain of roughly 40-50 pounds of total muscle mass over a lifting career although it might take a solid 4+ years of proper training to achieve that...
Right above that paragraph, Lyle said:...Please note that these are averages and make a few assumptions about proper training and nutrition and such. As well, age will interact with this; older individuals won’t gain as quickly and younger individuals may gain more quickly. For example, it’s not unheard of for underweight high school kids to gain muscle very rapidly. But they are usually starting out very underweight and have the natural anabolic steroid cycle called puberty working for them...
OP is 53 years old according to his profile. You're 20 years old, big difference in several ways.
At the end of the article as Lyle was summing it up:...Both Casey and Martin’s equations are based on top level natural bodybuilders, the group that you’d expect to surpass such limits if they existed (and who’s dedication and work ethic is pretty hard to question). Mine and Alan’s are based on years of experience in the field. If a massive number of exceptions to the above existed, someone would have seen them by now.
Now I think part of this has to do with exceedingly skewed ideas about what’s achievable, a problem driven by pro-bodybuilding. After seeing a pro-bodybuilder stepping on stage at 260 pounds or more and shredded, the idea that a natural may top out at 180-190 pounds of lean body mass (if that) can be disheartening...
A young male beginner, given optimal training and nutrition (and good genetics) could possibly gain 20-25 lbs. of muscle during their first year of training (note "could", not "will"). After that, the rate slows considerably and the gains get progressively harder to make. 40 pounds of muscle is a LOT of muscle. That's not just beefing up your chest and getting big biceps (which may be an additional 5-10 pounds of muscle, depending on your starting point). 40 pounds of muscle is getting HUGE all over your body. Not "that model on the cover of Men's Fitness" huge - more like "that pro bodybuilder on the cover of Muscle & Fitness" huge.
I'd go so far as to say that for most men who aren't willing to dedicate 100% of their life toward being a bodybuilder (and have outstanding genetics), putting on 40 pounds of muscle without using steroids would be a nearly impossible achievement.0 -
codsterlaing95 wrote: »But: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/whats-my-genetic-muscular-potential.html/
Can't male beginners gain 20-25 lbs of muscle for their first year (2 lbs/month) assuming proper training/diet?
Most natural lifters will be in the 20 to 30 pound range for life and that's if everything is good and over 30 pounds is extremely rare and normally limited to the geneticly gifted who have just an amazing and consistent training program. Also note that it's very hard to verify that any of these numbers apply to natural only lifters since we can't tell if the primary research tested properly for the presence of PEDs.0 -
I read OP as he needs to get to 3700 to gain, but can't…..but not sure…
OP you need to eat more food, period.
Also, don't worry about a "clean forty pound gain," whatever that is. Get adequate nutrition, hit macros, get into a surplus, and follow a structured lifting program.0 -
please let me know if you manage to gain a clean 40 lbs without the "supplements"0
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How much do you figure this guy has gained in three years of training? He's a year older than me. It all depends on age IMO.
First progress:
http://imgur.com/a/Iysv3
Current:
https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/l/t1.0-9/7792_10207134603417666_6326443716870908343_n.jpg?oh=31b91c67a366cc793f2e48fc0d895ba2&oe=57469756
From 133 to 196 lbs.0 -
codsterlaing95 wrote: »How much do you figure this guy has gained in three years of training? He's a year older than me. It all depends on age IMO.
First progress:
http://imgur.com/a/Iysv3
Current:
https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/l/t1.0-9/7792_10207134603417666_6326443716870908343_n.jpg?oh=31b91c67a366cc793f2e48fc0d895ba2&oe=57469756
From 133 to 196 lbs.
doesn't even look like he made good progress tbh with you. He gained a lot more fat than anything. He dun goof'd.
He should probably cut and he'd look pretty good though.0 -
LiftingTillDeath wrote: »codsterlaing95 wrote: »How much do you figure this guy has gained in three years of training? He's a year older than me. It all depends on age IMO.
First progress:
http://imgur.com/a/Iysv3
Current:
https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/l/t1.0-9/7792_10207134603417666_6326443716870908343_n.jpg?oh=31b91c67a366cc793f2e48fc0d895ba2&oe=57469756
From 133 to 196 lbs.
doesn't even look like he made good progress tbh with you. He gained a lot more fat than anything. He dun goof'd.
He should probably cut and he'd look pretty good though.
Idk about that. Looks like he's added about 30-35 lbs of mass...
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That's possible in 3 years. That's 10lbs of mass a year and a male in their prime can do that with correct training and nutrition.codsterlaing95 wrote: »LiftingTillDeath wrote: »codsterlaing95 wrote: »How much do you figure this guy has gained in three years of training? He's a year older than me. It all depends on age IMO.
First progress:
http://imgur.com/a/Iysv3
Current:
https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/l/t1.0-9/7792_10207134603417666_6326443716870908343_n.jpg?oh=31b91c67a366cc793f2e48fc0d895ba2&oe=57469756
From 133 to 196 lbs.
doesn't even look like he made good progress tbh with you. He gained a lot more fat than anything. He dun goof'd.
He should probably cut and he'd look pretty good though.
Idk about that. Looks like he's added about 30-35 lbs of mass...
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Can't very skinny beginners gain even more? i.e. 6 ft, 130 lbs?0
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codsterlaing95 wrote: »LiftingTillDeath wrote: »codsterlaing95 wrote: »How much do you figure this guy has gained in three years of training? He's a year older than me. It all depends on age IMO.
First progress:
http://imgur.com/a/Iysv3
Current:
https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/l/t1.0-9/7792_10207134603417666_6326443716870908343_n.jpg?oh=31b91c67a366cc793f2e48fc0d895ba2&oe=57469756
From 133 to 196 lbs.
doesn't even look like he made good progress tbh with you. He gained a lot more fat than anything. He dun goof'd.
He should probably cut and he'd look pretty good though.
Idk about that. Looks like he's added about 30-35 lbs of mass...
I concur with @LiftingTillDeath I don't think he made close to 30 to 35 pounds of muscle. He looks like he's over 20% in the last photo. Yes, he has done well for 3 years of work, but 30 pounds of muscle I just don't see. Perhaps 25, and now he is in very low gain range an will likely be able to put on about 1-2 pounds next year of training. Seriously, when I was in university I was 133 when I started lifting in the dungeon and I've gained only 30 pounds since then and you would see very similar result. Unless you know his measurements it's really hard to tell. In fact, I would look like I had gained even more in comparison at a lighter weight due to my definition plus he's likely taller by a few inches.
Oh, and what's with the legs being hidden? Does this guy skip?0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »codsterlaing95 wrote: »LiftingTillDeath wrote: »codsterlaing95 wrote: »How much do you figure this guy has gained in three years of training? He's a year older than me. It all depends on age IMO.
First progress:
http://imgur.com/a/Iysv3
Current:
https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/l/t1.0-9/7792_10207134603417666_6326443716870908343_n.jpg?oh=31b91c67a366cc793f2e48fc0d895ba2&oe=57469756
From 133 to 196 lbs.
doesn't even look like he made good progress tbh with you. He gained a lot more fat than anything. He dun goof'd.
He should probably cut and he'd look pretty good though.
Idk about that. Looks like he's added about 30-35 lbs of mass...
I concur with @LiftingTillDeath I don't think he made close to 30 to 35 pounds of muscle. He looks like he's over 20% in the last photo. Yes, he has done well for 3 years of work, but 30 pounds of muscle I just don't see. Perhaps 25, and now he is in very low gain range an will likely be able to put on about 1-2 pounds next year of training. Seriously, when I was in university I was 133 when I started lifting in the dungeon and I've gained only 30 pounds since then and you would see very similar result. Unless you know his measurements it's really hard to tell. In fact, I would look like I had gained even more in comparison at a lighter weight due to my definition plus he's likely taller by a few inches.
Oh, and what's with the legs being hidden? Does this guy skip?
He's 5'80 -
codsterlaing95 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »codsterlaing95 wrote: »LiftingTillDeath wrote: »codsterlaing95 wrote: »How much do you figure this guy has gained in three years of training? He's a year older than me. It all depends on age IMO.
First progress:
http://imgur.com/a/Iysv3
Current:
https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/l/t1.0-9/7792_10207134603417666_6326443716870908343_n.jpg?oh=31b91c67a366cc793f2e48fc0d895ba2&oe=57469756
From 133 to 196 lbs.
doesn't even look like he made good progress tbh with you. He gained a lot more fat than anything. He dun goof'd.
He should probably cut and he'd look pretty good though.
Idk about that. Looks like he's added about 30-35 lbs of mass...
I concur with @LiftingTillDeath I don't think he made close to 30 to 35 pounds of muscle. He looks like he's over 20% in the last photo. Yes, he has done well for 3 years of work, but 30 pounds of muscle I just don't see. Perhaps 25, and now he is in very low gain range an will likely be able to put on about 1-2 pounds next year of training. Seriously, when I was in university I was 133 when I started lifting in the dungeon and I've gained only 30 pounds since then and you would see very similar result. Unless you know his measurements it's really hard to tell. In fact, I would look like I had gained even more in comparison at a lighter weight due to my definition plus he's likely taller by a few inches.
Oh, and what's with the legs being hidden? Does this guy skip?
He's 5'8
So same height, yeah he doesn't look too different than I did at that weight when I was doing heavy lifting. I was about 24%. Then I got lazy and lost the muscle but gained fat. I added roughly 25 lbs so I'm guessing he would be about the same, but he's young so could add a few pounds more. I imagine he will make it to 30 or so if he keeps it up but his next cut will lose some muscle as well.0
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