Feminine curves without wobble
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itsthehumidity wrote: »KickboxFanatic wrote: »itsthehumidity wrote: »There's basically no chance you'll ever look masculine. A lot of women seem to be under the impression that if they accidentally trip over a dumbbell on the floor, that by the time they pick themselves back up they'll have more muscles than they know what to do with and look like Frank Zane.
The only women who actually look masculine are not only trying to get there by lifting heavy full time, but (and this is key) taking drugs to change their hormone profile to be more like that of a man's.
Just don't worry about it, and lift weights knowing the masculine look is pretty much not possible.
Just an FYI.....let's not throw all women who build muscle into the steroid wagon. There are TONS of us out here who lift heavy, eat big and put on mass without having to resort to supplements.
Ok, I hear you, but my feeling was that it's pretty hard for a woman to look like a man without drugs. Of course women are going to add muscle mass by weightlifting, but that's not the fear. The fear is that they'll lose their femininity, which I do think is a rare occurrence (if it ever happens) without drugs. Perhaps I'm wrong. Do you have any images of natty ladies who look masculine?
I know plenty of steroid free women that have huge muscles and are cut up, i personally wouldn't call them masculine, but others might since society doenst' approve (yet) of women with a little bulk. But these women have been body building for years, with professional trainers or they themselves are pro trainers. and they have had a spot on nutrition for years to fuel the muscle growth, along with endless hours in the gym with a perfect program. They don't have the steroid look that women get, so i know they are clean. But they are built, solid and strong and lean.0 -
itsthehumidity wrote: »KickboxFanatic wrote: »itsthehumidity wrote: »There's basically no chance you'll ever look masculine. A lot of women seem to be under the impression that if they accidentally trip over a dumbbell on the floor, that by the time they pick themselves back up they'll have more muscles than they know what to do with and look like Frank Zane.
The only women who actually look masculine are not only trying to get there by lifting heavy full time, but (and this is key) taking drugs to change their hormone profile to be more like that of a man's.
Just don't worry about it, and lift weights knowing the masculine look is pretty much not possible.
Just an FYI.....let's not throw all women who build muscle into the steroid wagon. There are TONS of us out here who lift heavy, eat big and put on mass without having to resort to supplements.
Ok, I hear you, but my feeling was that it's pretty hard for a woman to look like a man without drugs. Of course women are going to add muscle mass by weightlifting, but that's not the fear. The fear is that they'll lose their femininity, which I do think is a rare occurrence (if it ever happens) without drugs. Perhaps I'm wrong. Do you have any images of natty ladies who look masculine?
I know plenty of steroid free women that have huge muscles and are cut up, i personally wouldn't call them masculine, but others might since society doenst' approve (yet) of women with a little bulk. But these women have been body building for years, with professional trainers or they themselves are pro trainers. and they have had a spot on nutrition for years to fuel the muscle growth, along with endless hours in the gym with a perfect program. They don't have the steroid look that women get, so i know they are clean. But they are built, solid and strong and lean.
I'll say one thing, that muscular look might not be my cup of tea, but damn you got to admire the work they must put in, and the dedication.0 -
itsfuntobenormal wrote: »<--- I've done progressive weight lifting programs for a solid two years - in those 2 years I've lost 25 pounds. I'm solid and strong, but ain't nobody confusing me for a body builder.
NICE LEGS!! Did it take you the whole two years to get those?! My legs are pretty decent from TONS of squats with my own body weight.. But I'm hoping that my newly acquired weight training plan will give me those!!
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Thanks for replies, I really appreciate it. For me it would be virtually impossible to get anywhere near that, what with my illnesses and pain. One of the girls is a complete cardio freak, she throws herself into workouts with vigour and is the one that was most worried about looking masculine!
It's definitely been very helpful hearing from you guys. One of the things I used to do pre illness was sit ups with that ab pro thingy! You know the rolling thing you hold onto the bar and rest your head on the cushion? I reckon on my good days I could manage a few, but I won't bother if you guys think I'd get more out of lifting light weights
Star1407, I too have FM/MPS (dxd 1995). Started working with a Physical Therapist the beginning of November 2015. She has me working with dumb & barbells learning squats, deadlifts, and overhead presses. All of the forms right now are for functional movements, 5 sets of 3 reps, with increments of 1.25#. I also do flexibility & balance/stability ball plus good old fashioned walking for cardio. I knew something was missing over the years. That's why I sought the advice of a therapist.
The Physio was quite detailed in explaining about lifting weights & strength training. Women add muscle fibers more slowly than men generally so need years of dedicated strength training to make similar gains. The Physique Models, Figure Models, and Bikini Models have reduced their body fat significantly in order to reveal their underlying musculature. (The photo up thread is excellent!) That's one of the reasons they look very muscular... we can see those muscles that had been in hiding.
It really does come down to what you think and whether you want to invest the time in training your body. Fibromyalgia causes atrophy. Lifting weights arrests the atrophy. Lifting weights in many cases reverses the atrophy, allowing the body to repair & rebuild muscle fibers when coupled with a well balanced diet.
Who knows... You may get bitten by the weight bug and go on to competitive body building, showing in a Physique category! And... You'll have well developed muscles (and tendons and ligaments) to hold all of the bones together properly down the road. Good muscles. Good bones. Good quality of life.
;-) looking too masculine... pishaw... looking healthy and strong is more like it.0 -
Hi, so a lot of you know I can't do much in the way of exercise, though I am going to try some body weight exercises from nerd fitness and see how I get on
I've seemingly inspired quite a few of my friends to get fit. I've told them about the recommendations on lifting that we see on mfp a lot. All of them feel that we aren't overly keen on the body build look as it can be a little masculine looking. I have seen a mixture on here of some cracking looking lifters, who still look feminine, but also those who are the more muscular look. Is it just a case of how far you take it or pot luck whether that's the way your body will go with lifting?
Can anyone recommend the best sort of exercise to firm up the wobbly bits but keep the softness of the feminine curves please?
Just to say, I mean no offence to those who have the tanned, body build type of build. It just isn't what is preferred in this case
I think you are focusing on the wrong things, and worrying about problems that do not even exist. Based on your profile, you are trying to deal with some serious health issues, not become a body builder, so do not worry about things you do not need to worry about
See if you can get a physical therapist to help, and work on improving health and fitness related to functional issues. If a few years into this you do not look as you hoped you would, reevaluate then what might need to change. But do not worry about how e.g. years of serious weight lifting might affect your look, you are just going to drive yourself crazy over nothing. 0 -
Hi, so a lot of you know I can't do much in the way of exercise, though I am going to try some body weight exercises from nerd fitness and see how I get on
I've seemingly inspired quite a few of my friends to get fit. I've told them about the recommendations on lifting that we see on mfp a lot. All of them feel that we aren't overly keen on the body build look as it can be a little masculine looking. I have seen a mixture on here of some cracking looking lifters, who still look feminine, but also those who are the more muscular look. Is it just a case of how far you take it or pot luck whether that's the way your body will go with lifting?
Can anyone recommend the best sort of exercise to firm up the wobbly bits but keep the softness of the feminine curves please?
Just to say, I mean no offence to those who have the tanned, body build type of build. It just isn't what is preferred in this case
I think you are focusing on the wrong things, and worrying about problems that do not even exist. Based on your profile, you are trying to deal with some serious health issues, not become a body builder, so do not worry about things you do not need to worry about See if you can get a physical therapist to help, and work on improving health and fitness related to functional issues. If a few years into this you do not look as you hoped you would, reevaluate then what might need to change. But do not worry about how e.g. years of serious weight lifting might affect your look, you are just going to drive yourself crazy over nothing.
As I said, it's my healthy friends that are interested in lifting but concerned about becoming too muscular
My interests, as I mentioned, are possibly some very light lifting and body weight exercises to help strengthen my muscles, possibly yoga for flexibility and core strengthening to help improve my muscle tone
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Thanks for replies, I really appreciate it. For me it would be virtually impossible to get anywhere near that, what with my illnesses and pain. One of the girls is a complete cardio freak, she throws herself into workouts with vigour and is the one that was most worried about looking masculine!
It's definitely been very helpful hearing from you guys. One of the things I used to do pre illness was sit ups with that ab pro thingy! You know the rolling thing you hold onto the bar and rest your head on the cushion? I reckon on my good days I could manage a few, but I won't bother if you guys think I'd get more out of lifting light weights
Star1407, I too have FM/MPS (dxd 1995). Started working with a Physical Therapist the beginning of November 2015. She has me working with dumb & barbells learning squats, deadlifts, and overhead presses. All of the forms right now are for functional movements, 5 sets of 3 reps, with increments of 1.25#. I also do flexibility & balance/stability ball plus good old fashioned walking for cardio. I knew something was missing over the years. That's why I sought the advice of a therapist.
The Physio was quite detailed in explaining about lifting weights & strength training. Women add muscle fibers more slowly than men generally so need years of dedicated strength training to make similar gains. The Physique Models, Figure Models, and Bikini Models have reduced their body fat significantly in order to reveal their underlying musculature. (The photo up thread is excellent!) That's one of the reasons they look very muscular... we can see those muscles that had been in hiding.
It really does come down to what you think and whether you want to invest the time in training your body. Fibromyalgia causes atrophy. Lifting weights arrests the atrophy. Lifting weights in many cases reverses the atrophy, allowing the body to repair & rebuild muscle fibers when coupled with a well balanced diet.
Who knows... You may get bitten by the weight bug and go on to competitive body building, showing in a Physique category! And... You'll have well developed muscles (and tendons and ligaments) to hold all of the bones together properly down the road. Good muscles. Good bones. Good quality of life.
;-) looking too masculine... pishaw... looking healthy and strong is more like it.
Interesting hearing what your physio suggested. Mine just gave me a couple of stretches! Walking is my first priority as I love nature and I love walking with my Labrador0 -
Yoga is just awesome, so do try it I don't know what causes fibro flares, so I can't comment on the weight lifting. If you can do it, you should.
Women who don't want to look too defined just keep a layer of bodyfat. That's not skinny fat, because they have great muscles underneath. Skinny fat would be low muscle mass.
If a certain bodypart gets bigger than a woman likes, she can always start progressing in just reps instead of upping the weight at that point (or even bump the weight down a bit). It's not like it's hard to stop progressing on building muscle! It's that constant weight progression that is necessarily to build, so she could just chill on that lift (but still do it to maintain).0 -
it is VERY hard for women to get that masculine looking, it doesn't happen by accident or by lifting weights a few days a week. Even with low bf%, to get those masculine muscles requires years of effort and specific training programs to achieve that look.
Just go lift weights, get some cardio and eat a healthy diet, Let your body take on the shape its supposed to, and i guarantee you will love the results and you'll be feminine.
Exactly. I say this only half in jest--There are no accidental bodybuilders, just as there are no accidental concert pianists or master plumbers. It takes purposeful time and effort to achieve that level of development and leanness. If a stage-ready physique is not your goal, there is no need to fear as you will never accidentally have one.
ETA: I'm seriously not trying to be rude or snarky by stating the above. I just want to make it clear that getting that look without wanting it is not anything that any woman (or man) needs to worry about.
No accidental bodybuilders
Best line ever
It takes a long long time of busting butt to add 10lbs of muscle and drop 5% of oft fat.
I don't think reaching those two goals is a real "threat" of accidentally happening for the majority of the populace.
There was no snark in your comment. That was pure truth. For me to go from 13% range body fat to 12%'range took work and diet. Those women with 25% -20%!body fat that I know and workout with watch their diet close and work out hard.
No accidents, just hard work.
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@star1407 starting with nerdfitness, building on it and from it is great. Your ab machine and some light weights should work in fine. Was it the beginners HasFit that you were looking at for hand weights?
I have just started yoga and would highly recommend doing a class rather than a video if you have never done it. Those simple looking poses are more difficult than they look; correct form is needed.
Here is a regular real life woman's body at a BMI of 19.7 and BF % in the mid twenties.
It is strong, has a layer of fat over a reasonable amount of muscle, and has a slightly wobbly tummy.
This came from a calorie deficit, doing Nerdfitness, aquafit, walking and an assortment of Pilates/Zumba type classes over 2-3 years.
Muscular bodies do not come easy.
Yes it is me. I think it is a good example of an average woman who lost weight while doing a bit of everything on a regular basis.
I know, I've got no shame posting pics in a bikini. If I didn't who would.
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Hi, so a lot of you know I can't do much in the way of exercise, though I am going to try some body weight exercises from nerd fitness and see how I get on
I've seemingly inspired quite a few of my friends to get fit. I've told them about the recommendations on lifting that we see on mfp a lot. All of them feel that we aren't overly keen on the body build look as it can be a little masculine looking. I have seen a mixture on here of some cracking looking lifters, who still look feminine, but also those who are the more muscular look. Is it just a case of how far you take it or pot luck whether that's the way your body will go with lifting?
Can anyone recommend the best sort of exercise to firm up the wobbly bits but keep the softness of the feminine curves please?
Just to say, I mean no offence to those who have the tanned, body build type of build. It just isn't what is preferred in this case
It's down to body aesthetic
If you like soft but strong you don't drop your body fat percentage beyond a certain point
But you still lift - progressive resistance
I like soft but strong personally so I have this battle over whether I cut a little more to get my tummy completely flat and risk losing more boobs or leave it .. so far I'm just eating at maintenance and continuing lifting maybe in a year or two something will change .. right now the slight wobble is under my knicker line so meh0 -
oh and my BF is around 23% ish0
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I've been lifting heavy for more than a year with very little cardio. I might do Kettlebell circuits or hiit for cardio, I have been losing fat so it revealed muscle but I didn't build muscle because of deficit eating. You need to eat more and work hard to build muscle. I got Bod Pod assessed yesterday and am at 23% BF. Lost 17 lbs and mucho inches thanks to lifting. That photo comparison chart is interesting but it doesn't take height into consideration. I'm 5'2" and I started at 30% BF. I didn't like how it looked on me. I'm trying to get to 20% now.0
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You guys are awesome, thank you. Rabbit and H you both look gorgeous and you are two people whose posts stand out to me often on the boards. I really appreciate the advice and support. I'll let you know how I get on!0
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My guess is that the look you do not want is the leaner very defined look that is a result of lifting weights and getting to a lower body fat. To avoid that look, you just wouldn't get down to such a low body fat percentage. Here's an example of what I mean:
Don't be disappointed if you don't look like these women when you get to the same BF% they are labeled at. Not every woman same BF% looks the same. Individual results vary greatly.0 -
Hi, so a lot of you know I can't do much in the way of exercise, though I am going to try some body weight exercises from nerd fitness and see how I get on
I've seemingly inspired quite a few of my friends to get fit. I've told them about the recommendations on lifting that we see on mfp a lot. All of them feel that we aren't overly keen on the body build look as it can be a little masculine looking. I have seen a mixture on here of some cracking looking lifters, who still look feminine, but also those who are the more muscular look. Is it just a case of how far you take it or pot luck whether that's the way your body will go with lifting?
Can anyone recommend the best sort of exercise to firm up the wobbly bits but keep the softness of the feminine curves please?
Just to say, I mean no offence to those who have the tanned, body build type of build. It just isn't what is preferred in this case
I think you are focusing on the wrong things, and worrying about problems that do not even exist. Based on your profile, you are trying to deal with some serious health issues, not become a body builder, so do not worry about things you do not need to worry about See if you can get a physical therapist to help, and work on improving health and fitness related to functional issues. If a few years into this you do not look as you hoped you would, reevaluate then what might need to change. But do not worry about how e.g. years of serious weight lifting might affect your look, you are just going to drive yourself crazy over nothing.
As I said, it's my healthy friends that are interested in lifting but concerned about becoming too muscular
My interests, as I mentioned, are possibly some very light lifting and body weight exercises to help strengthen my muscles, possibly yoga for flexibility and core strengthening to help improve my muscle tone
Thanks for your reply
You can get lots of bodyweight benefits from yoga more advanced than the video I linked, but as a yoga teacher, I can't recommend being entirely self-taught. It's hard to check your own form in many yoga poses and moves.0 -
Shows how everyone is different. I WANT to look muscular0
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whatatime2befit wrote: »Shows how everyone is different. I WANT to look muscular
Yeah and that's great for you and some men love it. My hubs actually like a fatter figure than I'm aspiring to lol
wouldn't it be boring if we were all the same?!0 -
Star, didn't & don't want to derail your original question about "muskelles" HaHa (if you remember Popeye & his tin of spinach...)
Yes. Weight & strength training is an undiscussed option for people with FM/MPS. Usually Physios avoid suggesting it as many patients are resistant to or avoidant of. I purposely talked with them about adding functional lifting. All of the squats, presses, deadlifts are movements used in every day scenarios.
On walks sans Labby, have you thought of using Nordic walking poles? I've been using them since 2005 and have found them to improve balance and engage more of the core muscles. Just another something in the magic bag of tricks when working around flare-ups and relapses.
p.s. Hope you're improving from the last flare-up!0 -
Star, didn't & don't want to derail your original question about "muskelles" HaHa (if you remember Popeye & his tin of spinach...)
Yes. Weight & strength training is an undiscussed option for people with FM/MPS. Usually Physios avoid suggesting it as many patients are resistant to or avoidant of. I purposely talked with them about adding functional lifting. All of the squats, presses, deadlifts are movements used in every day scenarios.
On walks sans Labby, have you thought of using Nordic walking poles? I've been using them since 2005 and have found them to improve balance and engage more of the core muscles. Just another something in the magic bag of tricks when working around flare-ups and relapses.
p.s. Hope you're improving from the last flare-up!
Lol yeah popeye!
I just found an article on fibro and strength training on nerd fitness which is a website I quite like. I have never thought of the poles, I do use a stick or crutches although I try to avoid it if I can!
Our home gym equipment came today, hubby likes lifting.
Get this I did 5 whole reps with a 3kg dunbell each side! Lol how hardcore am I? Pmsl. I will be building it up super slow.
Plus I actually left the house today and went to the shops, walked around, no wheelchair and not even a stick! Yay me0
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