There are 'BAD' foods
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ClicquotBubbles wrote: »suziecue20 wrote: »The UK Government has just labelled ALL processed meats, including bacon and sausages as being dangerous to health [cancer causing] so how can they not be bad?
When did that happen? I must have totally missed it and I do read the Daily Fail. Surely it would have been a headline?
There is increasing scientific evidence that eating cured meats can significantly increase your risk for cancer.
Statistically significantly. Not necessarily significantly. The effect size is negligible, I believe.0 -
suziecue20 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »If you eat them a lot. I will have to dig up the study but saying 70g of bacon significantly increased your risk of cancer is not true
70g of bacon or any other processed meat is the limit the UK Government says we should eat per day - maybe the BBC is wrong?
Per day. If you eat over 70 g of bacon per day you are slightly at risk. Who eats bacon every day?0 -
_Terrapin_ wrote: »
Gosh, IDK, bacon has fatty acids I need?!? It tastes really good and what cancer will I get by eating it or increase a likelihood of XXXX cancer? Colon? Can they tell me where it will begin in my body? Any idea where or what primary organs it will go to? The problem with statements like this 'cancer causing' is always fascinating to me. And while I'm American, bangers and mash is heaven on Earth with a Bass Ale. If I am going to die due this glorious combo of foods....I'm okay with it.suziecue20 wrote: »The UK Government has just labelled ALL processed meats, including bacon and sausages as being dangerous to health [cancer causing] so how can they not be bad?
Sorry OP; if you need to use labels have it. I'm just eating for fuel to do stuff. I would say things like stress have a greater impact on health then almost any combo of food consumption.
Bowel cancer
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For me, the only bad foods are items which have been highly processed and have little in common with the traditional definition of food.0
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suziecue20 wrote: »_Terrapin_ wrote: »
Gosh, IDK, bacon has fatty acids I need?!? It tastes really good and what cancer will I get by eating it or increase a likelihood of XXXX cancer? Colon? Can they tell me where it will begin in my body? Any idea where or what primary organs it will go to? The problem with statements like this 'cancer causing' is always fascinating to me. And while I'm American, bangers and mash is heaven on Earth with a Bass Ale. If I am going to die due this glorious combo of foods....I'm okay with it.suziecue20 wrote: »The UK Government has just labelled ALL processed meats, including bacon and sausages as being dangerous to health [cancer causing] so how can they not be bad?
Sorry OP; if you need to use labels have it. I'm just eating for fuel to do stuff. I would say things like stress have a greater impact on health then almost any combo of food consumption.
Bowel cancer
I think this has been 'known' for a while, seared meat, etc comes to mind. Moderation probably helps; if I eat 2 pounds of sausage daily and sit around like 3 toed sloth then maybe it increases my likelihood of cancer. Then again....
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I don't like labeling food as good or bad, and I don't ban any foods for me. I just limit them and track them. If I cut anything I love out completely, I will end up over-indulging after a period of deprivation. Better to control portions, enjoy a small amount of something calorie-dense or less nutrient-rich as part of a healthy overall plan than to risk falling off the rails (in my opinion).
That being said, sometimes I take a break from trigger foods for a short time to mentally "reset." For instance, I could eat candy like it is my job. So, if I know I have been overindulging, I make a goal of no candy for a week or two. I am able to break the craving/routine and reset.
I do think there can be "bad for you" foods. Maybe you have a documented medical condition that makes certain foods dangerous for you. Or, maybe you have trigger foods that can cause you to seriously backtrack, no matter how much willpower you show. If that's the case, eliminate or drastically reduce as needed.
I agree with "bad for you" foods. There are foods that will hurt my health. Those foods generally taste good, darn it, but I can't eat them at all (due to celiacdisease) or they can only be eaten on occasion if at all (insulin resistance- sugary and starchy foods).
My "bad for you" foods are going to be different than someone else's "bad for you" foods though. It's an individual thing. I do think that some "bad for you" foods are more common than others, but it still won't affect everybody.
Otherwise, I think a food is only bad if it doesn't fit your belief system - a food to be avoided based on beliefs - such as animal products for a vegan or pork and non-halal foods for Muslims.0 -
Eating 2pieces of bacon each and every day increases your risk of developing colon cancer from 5% to 6%. That's not that significant0
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ClicquotBubbles wrote: »suziecue20 wrote: »The UK Government has just labelled ALL processed meats, including bacon and sausages as being dangerous to health [cancer causing] so how can they not be bad?
When did that happen? I must have totally missed it and I do read the Daily Fail. Surely it would have been a headline?
There is increasing scientific evidence that eating cured meats can significantly increase your risk for cancer.
Statistically significantly. Not necessarily significantly. The effect size is negligible, I believe.
Here is what I read: "50g portion of processed meat eaten daily increases the risk for colorectal cancer by about 18%, and that 100 g of red meat could increase the risk for colorectal cancer by 18%."0 -
singingflutelady wrote: »suziecue20 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »If you eat them a lot. I will have to dig up the study but saying 70g of bacon significantly increased your risk of cancer is not true
70g of bacon or any other processed meat is the limit the UK Government says we should eat per day - maybe the BBC is wrong?
Per day. If you eat over 70 g of bacon per day you are slightly at risk. Who eats bacon every day?[/quote]
Lots of people0 -
boombalatty123 wrote: »For me, the only bad foods are items which have been highly processed and have little in common with the traditional definition of food.
Food is food, processed or not.0 -
Egg actly. While I cooked bacon for a cancer patient he laughed when we'd discuss topics like this. Their family history had a more significant impact then their diet.singingflutelady wrote: »Eating 2pieces of bacon each and every day increases your risk of developing colon cancer from 5% to 6%. That's not that significant
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_Terrapin_ wrote: »suziecue20 wrote: »_Terrapin_ wrote: »
Gosh, IDK, bacon has fatty acids I need?!? It tastes really good and what cancer will I get by eating it or increase a likelihood of XXXX cancer? Colon? Can they tell me where it will begin in my body? Any idea where or what primary organs it will go to? The problem with statements like this 'cancer causing' is always fascinating to me. And while I'm American, bangers and mash is heaven on Earth with a Bass Ale. If I am going to die due this glorious combo of foods....I'm okay with it.suziecue20 wrote: »The UK Government has just labelled ALL processed meats, including bacon and sausages as being dangerous to health [cancer causing] so how can they not be bad?
Sorry OP; if you need to use labels have it. I'm just eating for fuel to do stuff. I would say things like stress have a greater impact on health then almost any combo of food consumption.
Bowel cancer
I think this has been 'known' for a while, seared meat, etc comes to mind. Moderation probably helps; if I eat 2 pounds of sausage daily and sit around like 3 toed sloth then maybe it increases my likelihood of cancer. Then again....
Three toed sloths are cute! I want to be one in my next life
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There are bad behaviors. Food is neutral. Ingesting too much of something based on your body's needs is a bad behavior, not a bad food. You can ingest too much bacon or oat bran or water. None of those are bad; it's your behavior based on your body's needs that's bad. That means you tailor your behavior. For me, sugar is bad and almost all carbs are bad, but that doesn't make them bad foods. That makes them bad for me due to medical and behavioral issues. The food itself is neutral.0
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ClicquotBubbles wrote: »suziecue20 wrote: »The UK Government has just labelled ALL processed meats, including bacon and sausages as being dangerous to health [cancer causing] so how can they not be bad?
When did that happen? I must have totally missed it and I do read the Daily Fail. Surely it would have been a headline?
There is increasing scientific evidence that eating cured meats can significantly increase your risk for cancer.
Statistically significantly. Not necessarily significantly. The effect size is negligible, I believe.
Here is what I read: "50g portion of processed meat eaten daily increases the risk for colorectal cancer by about 18%, and that 100 g of red meat could increase the risk for colorectal cancer by 18%."
One's risk of colon cancer is 5% before eating daily processed meats. If you raise that by 18% it brings you to a 6% risk. It is a small increase that some are going to risk.0 -
"There are lots of foods that are 'bad' but obviously only when they are eaten in high volume and too frequently."
This sentence right there is exactly why they AREN'T bad foods. If you have to eat it in high volume or too frequently for it to affect you negatively, then it isn't inherently bad.
Also I generally feel like the "no bad foods" idea is usually in reference to weight loss specifically, NOT overall health. It's apples to oranges.0 -
There are no bad foods. There are bad diets made up of too much of any food.0
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ClicquotBubbles wrote: »suziecue20 wrote: »The UK Government has just labelled ALL processed meats, including bacon and sausages as being dangerous to health [cancer causing] so how can they not be bad?
When did that happen? I must have totally missed it and I do read the Daily Fail. Surely it would have been a headline?
There is increasing scientific evidence that eating cured meats can significantly increase your risk for cancer.
Statistically significantly. Not necessarily significantly. The effect size is negligible, I believe.
Here is what I read: "50g portion of processed meat eaten daily increases the risk for colorectal cancer by about 18%, and that 100 g of red meat could increase the risk for colorectal cancer by 18%."
Now factor in the base rate of bowel cancer and math it out. For argument's sake, let's say you have an approximately 1% chance of getting bowel cancer. Eating 50g of processed meat or 100g of red meat EVERY DAY raises your risk to still less than a 2% chance.0 -
I need some foods to be 'bad' - if everything was good I'd never lose weight.0
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As comparison, smoking increases your risk of developing by 2500%. 2 pieces of bacon every day increases your risk by 18% (from 5 to 6%). Not that big of an increase0
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woo hoo! Love the pic.....and in my next life I want to move faster then a turtle(terrapin)queenliz99 wrote: »_Terrapin_ wrote: »suziecue20 wrote: »_Terrapin_ wrote: »
Gosh, IDK, bacon has fatty acids I need?!? It tastes really good and what cancer will I get by eating it or increase a likelihood of XXXX cancer? Colon? Can they tell me where it will begin in my body? Any idea where or what primary organs it will go to? The problem with statements like this 'cancer causing' is always fascinating to me. And while I'm American, bangers and mash is heaven on Earth with a Bass Ale. If I am going to die due this glorious combo of foods....I'm okay with it.suziecue20 wrote: »The UK Government has just labelled ALL processed meats, including bacon and sausages as being dangerous to health [cancer causing] so how can they not be bad?
Sorry OP; if you need to use labels have it. I'm just eating for fuel to do stuff. I would say things like stress have a greater impact on health then almost any combo of food consumption.
Bowel cancer
I think this has been 'known' for a while, seared meat, etc comes to mind. Moderation probably helps; if I eat 2 pounds of sausage daily and sit around like 3 toed sloth then maybe it increases my likelihood of cancer. Then again....
Three toed sloths are cute! I want to be one in my next life
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suziecue20 wrote: »I need some foods to be 'bad' - if everything was good I'd never lose weight.
But why?0 -
ClicquotBubbles wrote: »suziecue20 wrote: »The UK Government has just labelled ALL processed meats, including bacon and sausages as being dangerous to health [cancer causing] so how can they not be bad?
When did that happen? I must have totally missed it and I do read the Daily Fail. Surely it would have been a headline?
There is increasing scientific evidence that eating cured meats can significantly increase your risk for cancer.
Not significantly, minutely, like having exposed skin in the sun for a few minutes a day can minutely increase your cancer risk. Now eat nothing but everyday and the it will be significantly increased just like your risk increases significantly if you get a sunburn every summer.
Proportion is important.0 -
singingflutelady wrote: »As comparison, smoking increases your risk of developing by 2500%. 2 pieces of bacon every day increases your risk by 18% (from 5 to 6%). Not that big of an increase
Well I totally agree but tell that to the UK Government - why scaremonger over a bacon butty? The Government has demonised processed meat, making it 'bad' though.0 -
ClicquotBubbles wrote: »suziecue20 wrote: »The UK Government has just labelled ALL processed meats, including bacon and sausages as being dangerous to health [cancer causing] so how can they not be bad?
When did that happen? I must have totally missed it and I do read the Daily Fail. Surely it would have been a headline?
There is increasing scientific evidence that eating cured meats can significantly increase your risk for cancer.
Statistically significantly. Not necessarily significantly. The effect size is negligible, I believe.
Here is what I read: "50g portion of processed meat eaten daily increases the risk for colorectal cancer by about 18%, and that 100 g of red meat could increase the risk for colorectal cancer by 18%."
Now factor in the base rate of bowel cancer and math it out. For argument's sake, let's say you have an approximately 1% chance of getting bowel cancer. Eating 50g of processed meat or 100g of red meat EVERY DAY raises your risk to still less than a 2% chance.
I absolutely agree. A 1% increase in my risk of cancer is significant enough for me to not eat processed meats anymore. It may not be significant enough for you to take it out of your diet. We bring our values to our food. That was the point of my first post.0 -
suziecue20 wrote: »I need some foods to be 'bad' - if everything was good I'd never lose weight.
Okay, so here is what I'd recommend. Use this app for calorie counting. On days you go over make a list of every food you ate last. Boom. They are bad because they prevent you from losing weight. Example: this week my 'bad' foods are semi sweet morsels with Jif peanut butter, PB&J sandwich, chicken wings, and a protein shake with blueberries, yogurt, whey protein, honey, etc. So my 'bad' list is just from 4 days. Dammit.......now I need food.
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I think the fact you could eat bacon every damn day and it'd only raise your risk of cancer by about 1% is basically proof that no foods are bad. Haha0
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Nope. Considering food 'good' and 'bad' is what caused me to have issues with eating and feeling guilt when I'd eaten something 'bad'.
Food is food. Some has more nutritional value than others and making the decision about what to use your daily calories on is part of the challenge of weight loss (or gain, or maintenance). But I'm never gonna say any food is "bad" because it isn't.
Well said. Food is. Our judgments are our own. Let's leave the guilt at the door.
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I don't think of food as bad/good, or healthy/unhealthy. I do, however, think of food as appropriate or inappropriate, but that depends on the context of my meal, my day, or my oh-god-I'm-going-to-scream-if-I-don't-have-it ness.0
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_Terrapin_ wrote: »suziecue20 wrote: »I need some foods to be 'bad' - if everything was good I'd never lose weight.
Okay, so here is what I'd recommend. Use this app for calorie counting. On days you go over make a list of every food you ate last. Boom. They are bad because they prevent you from losing weight. Example: this week my 'bad' foods are semi sweet morsels with Jif peanut butter, PB&J sandwich, chicken wings, and a protein shake with blueberries, yogurt, whey protein, honey, etc. So my 'bad' list is just from 4 days. Dammit.......now I need food.
Aha so you admit you eat 'bad' foods lol
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queenliz99 wrote: »suziecue20 wrote: »I need some foods to be 'bad' - if everything was good I'd never lose weight.
But why?
Because Gotham needs a Dark Knight.
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