OK.........So now I'm sad after researching this...................

heybales

Sandytoes71 wrote: »

heybales wrote: »

Even if the artificials do spike your insulin - if that's all you had was a diet drink - there is nothing to store as fat.

For that brief time insulin is up fat release is stopped, but body isn't fooled that bad and as soon as blood sugar drops a bit because you stopped using fat an main energy source and blood sugar was instead, insulin will drop right back down again.

If drinking with food - well your food was going to increase insulin anyway. It's the nature of body preparing for some sugar coming in with sweet taste that can make it release insulin in preparation.

So I'd remove that as factor. Whatever else you research and believe would be more useful.

And be aware of the differences between when product with it is heated and not heated but kept cool. Some research will comment on that difference - but play off the heated info when the product you use might never be in that state, so the effect is immaterial.

yes, this was one thing i read about.....how the insulin can cause fat storage, but also I read that our bodies don't know what to do with the unnatural chemicals, so it stores those chemicals as fat. Have u heard of that before?

Also, can you explain your second paragraph somewhat, im kinda confused. Where u talk about blood sugar dropping? Thanks so much for your help.

Uh no - chemicals aren't stored as fat - unused fat and carbs while insulin is elevated can be, but insulin also causes carbs, glucose, to be stored in liver and muscles.
Unnatural chemicals - depends on which one you are talking about - most are broken down, just not as carbs for storage.

And in a diet, those are never topped off fully - so that's where carbs will go first if the body doesn't actually use it for energy while insulin is elevated.
Fat too - used if available and needed - just not released from fat cells then.
Protein sent for use by the cells too - because of insulin.

Insulin needed for all those positive things.

If you eat/drink something sweet - some people's body will start releasing insulin in preparation for handling what it thinks is incoming sugar/carbs.
Because it causes what ends up in the blood to be sent to muscles and liver and used as fuel.
But if you didn't actually take any carbs in because it was a sugar substitute, then regular level of blood sugar that the body tries to regulate can drop below desired, when that happens insulin is lowered to stop the effect.

AnvilHead

antennachick wrote: »

AnvilHead wrote: »

antennachick wrote: »

I dont want to sound mean but....i have noticed its always over wieght people that drink diet soda. And then I read those studies and it made sense. Although its calorie free it sends a message to the brain you are eatting sugar. In return you crave sugar...so why not just limit the real thing?

@antennachick, that's confusing correlation with causation. How about looking at it from the perspective that a lot of overweight people drink diet soda because they're trying to cut calories and lose weight?

Using the same rationale, I see a lot of fat people in the gym and out running. Therefore, going to the gym and running must make people fat.

should of added these are people that have been overweight and have drank diet soda for years and ...are still fat despite thier diets lol I dont need to give 10 examples to prove my point...why dont just drink water? and Its calorie free

So is diet soda. And I like diet soda. And it doesn't make me crave sugar, nor does it adversely affect my weight loss. And I've read plenty enough studies to feel completely confident that artificial sweeteners and/or diet soda, in moderation, are not harmful in any way.

Make no mistake, I drink well over a half gallon of plain water a day almost every single day. I have for years. Love the stuff. But I also average 1-2 diet sodas per day, as well as 1-2 cups of coffee and sometimes a cup or two of iced tea in place of the sodas.


Your example is still correlation, not causation. I know both skinny and fat people who drink both diet and regular soda. That doesn't tell me anything about the context within the rest of their diet. A fat person who drinks diet soda and then proceeds to eat 4,000 calories a day isn't going to be very successful in their weight loss efforts. Nor will they be successful if they drink plain water and proceed to eat 4,000 calories per day.

As with virtually anything related to health and diet, context and dosage are meaningful and important.

jenilla1

Annie_01 wrote: »

antennachick wrote: »

I dont want to sound mean but....i have noticed its always over wieght people that drink diet soda. And then I read those studies and it made sense. Although its calorie free it sends a message to the brain you are eatting sugar. In return you crave sugar...so why not just limit the real thing?

So no thin person drinks diet drinks? I didn't know that.

I've been a thin person basically since forever. I prefer to consume "diet" drinks rather than sugared ones (which make me feel tired and crappy and are a total waste of calories) and it hasn't had any negative impact on my weight. My overweight and diabetic in-laws drink tons of regular soda, since "diet is bad" for them. Everyone's got their own anecdotes they like to use to support an argument. Just do what works for you. If artificial sweeteners seem to be failing you, don't use them. If they work fine for you, use them.

I actually prefer to use stevia to sweeten my drinks, though. My favorite is brewing my own hibiscus tea (aka jamaica) and using stevia to sweeten it.

antennachick

Each to their own. when even science tells you the sweetener in diet soda is toxic BUT not enough to matter...its something I would avoid consuming. Thats just me.

AnvilHead

antennachick wrote: »

Each to their own. when even science tells you the sweetener in diet soda is toxic BUT not enough to matter...its something I would avoid consuming. Thats just me.

I guess you didn't read the first post in the why aspartame isn't scary thread, nor any of the multitude of studies posted in that thread. For starters. Science tells me just the opposite of what you feel.

lemurcat12

If there's any evidence that any food is terrible for us, it's soda. I think this is likely because people either don't drink soda, drink soda moderately, or drink INSANE amounts of soda (this is based on the stats I've seen). People who drink INSANE amounts of soda have a variety of negative health results that more moderate drinkers of diet soda don't seem to share (nor non drinkers) (this is based on the various longitudinal studies, among other things). Anyway, my personal analysis is that switching away from non diet soda to something else, for big users, is huge, whether it's water or diet coke.

amusedmonkey

antennachick wrote: »

Each to their own. when even science tells you the sweetener in diet soda is toxic BUT not enough to matter...its something I would avoid consuming. Thats just me.

So are apples, cashews, bananas, tuna, nutmeg, cinnamon, many beans, potatoes... and so on. It's the dosage that makes a poison, and if we want to cut out everything that can potentially be harmful in large amounts then water would be the first on the list. You would have to consume at least 170-250 packets of sweetener a day (depending on the type, except for stevia which has a 29 packet upper daily limit) to start posing problems. I doubt many people consume that amount.

AnvilHead

amusedmonkey wrote: »

antennachick wrote: »

Each to their own. when even science tells you the sweetener in diet soda is toxic BUT not enough to matter...its something I would avoid consuming. Thats just me.

So are apples, cashews, bananas, tuna, nutmeg, cinnamon, many beans, potatoes... and so on. It's the dosage that makes a poison, and if we want to cut out everything that can potentially be harmful in large amounts then water would be the first on the list. You would have to consume at least 170-250 packets of sweetener a day (depending on the type, except for stevia which has a 26 packet upper daily limit) to start posing problems. I doubt many people consume that amount.

Cinnamon is harmless and even beneficial to some in moderation, but contains coumarin, which is hepatotoxic and carcinogenic in large doses. The tolerable daily intake (TDI) is currently set at 0.1mg/kg bodyweight. This has been scientifically established. So I suppose everybody should run screaming from anything which contains cinnamon just like they do from diet soda. Maybe even more so, since the TDI is set pretty low - 10mg of coumarin would be a toxic dose to a 220 lb. person. A potentially hazardous dose for any artificial sweetener is orders of magnitude higher than that.

...or maybe if we consider the fact that virtually nobody consumes enough cinnamon for coumarin to become a health hazard, there's no reason to avoid it in sensible moderation. Hmmmm......

Sued0nim

Why are people consistently upset that insulin works the way it works

If you do not have issues with your insulin from a medical standpoint your body is doing what it is supposed to do

Artificial sweeteners are some of the most tested food products anywhere...they are as safe as anything can be

The rest is media hype to sell a newspaper, book, site or client ...meh ...don't be a sheep

(Only read OP cos early)

Sued0nim

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Sued0nim

Oh and I drank diet soda through 53lbs weight loss and the last 11 months in maintenance ...I have yet to grow a new head

nuffer

rabbitjb wrote: »

Oh and I drank diet soda through 53lbs weight loss and the last 11 months in maintenance ...I have yet to grow a new head

Wait -- a new head? I could use one of those. This one I'm stuck with is getting all wrinkly and gray and its eyeballs are more than a bit wobbly.

But seriously, to the OP, you have gotten some solid advice here and I am impressed that you're willing to listen and learn. And read, even. That seems to be a rare trait these days. Kudos to you.

For me, I drank diet soda when I was fit, when I was fat, and through this last year of fairly successful weight loss. It's primarily water and I consume it on a regular basis. Fat diet soda drinkers are eating too many calories. End of story.

stevencloser

antennachick wrote: »

Each to their own. when even science tells you the sweetener in diet soda is toxic BUT not enough to matter...its something I would avoid consuming. Thats just me.

You'd die of water poisoning before ingesting enough sweetener to harm you. Does that make you rethink your stance or are you just going to try cutting out water too?

Carlos_421

antennachick wrote: »

AnvilHead wrote: »

antennachick wrote: »

I dont want to sound mean but....i have noticed its always over wieght people that drink diet soda. And then I read those studies and it made sense. Although its calorie free it sends a message to the brain you are eatting sugar. In return you crave sugar...so why not just limit the real thing?

@antennachick, that's confusing correlation with causation. How about looking at it from the perspective that a lot of overweight people drink diet soda because they're trying to cut calories and lose weight?

Using the same rationale, I see a lot of fat people in the gym and out running. Therefore, going to the gym and running must make people fat.

should of added these are people that have been overweight and have drank diet soda for years and ...are still fat despite thier diets lol I dont need to give 10 examples to prove my point...why dont just drink water? and Its calorie free

So fat people you know who drink diet pop are still fat...
Skinny people I know who drink diet pop are still skinny.
So what?
Maybe, just maybe mind you, their being fat or skinny has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not they drink diet pop.

And why not water? Sure, why not. But if people like diet pop then why not diet pop? Why needlessly deprive themselves just because you know some fat people?

Carlos_421

antennachick wrote: »

Each to their own. when even science tells you the sweetener in diet soda is toxic BUT not enough to matter...its something I would avoid consuming. Thats just me.

Everything is toxic at a high enough dose. Everything. So labeling diet soda as toxic is derp science.

Carlos_421

rabbitjb wrote: »

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JackieMarie1989jgw

I personally would rather have less of something with real sugar than more of something with aftificial sweeteners. Same goes for cooking fats. I will use olive oil and occasional butter. More calories but more bang for your buck when it comes to flavor, so you can use less. Its all about portion control.
Of course thats a lot easier said than done. I started small. I went from two spoons of sugar in my coffee to one. Switched from liberally pouring oil in the pan to measuring out exactly what the recipe says is needed. Stuff like that.
If you really love your artificial sweeteners, though, I am sure its ok in.moderation too. If they do indeed cause health problems (which honestly, I'm not sure) I would think most adverse effects would be in people who ate really large amounts of it.