Pizza is a balanced breakfast
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When almost 50% of the calories come from fat, with the lowest macronutrient being protein, I would not call that a balanced meal. I would call that the standard american diet. Yes, you can still lose weight eating pizza 1 slice per meal. Despite that, I would argue against calling pizza hut pizza a balanced meal.
People who are doing low carb often have that high and more fat.0 -
I still met my calorie and macro goals those days. Or course, I ran 10 miles Wednesday and 5 miles Thursday...
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@jacklifts My fat goal is 40, my carb goal is 40, my protein goal is 20. To be honest with you, the thing that pushed my fat higher than my carbs was that i drank a glass of whole milk with two/three meals. I'm a female trying to lose weight, not a powerlifter with the handle "jacklifts" so I don't need 150g of protein a day.0
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For me those macros would be totally out of kilter (17% protein etc) but everyone has to find their own way.
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Love this thread
Apart from the fact that fruit does not belong on pizza
Nor in any other main course
It is a pudding, snack or possibly a cheese board accessory
But never, no no how in a main course
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@Jackie0Marie The egg is a great idea! I have two slices left in the freezer ( I got sick of eating it. ) I will try! Then maybe I will have enough protein that the weight lifters will stop grouching at me and go back to chugging their protein shakes.0
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@CollieFit They'll probably be off kilter for me in a year or so as well. You're obviously lifting or something from the shoulder shot in your profile pic... hope to get to a place where I can reverse course and start building (some muscle instead of fat), but I'm trying to get closer to my goal weight right now, so building muscle isn't such a priority.
For the activity level that I am at, the amount of protein I'm getting is actually about right.0 -
@rabbitjb I like you... I like you because i know you will not try to steal my fruity pizza.... I've got my eye on these other ones though....
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No judgement on you Cassidy. Eat what you want, it does not affect me. I'm just arguing a point.
I am by no means a powerlifter,just an average guy trying to get into above average shape. Just saying, that when one macronutrient predominates the meal, that is not a balanced meal. Just like if I ate fruit and veggies all day, some people would argue that's a healthy meal, yet I would argue it's certainly not balanced. Nor is eating 3lbs of chicken breast. The standard American diet is high carb, high fat, low protein - which is certainly not balanced, and devastating when overconsumed. The benefits of protein lie in muscle-preservation effects and it's thermogenic effects. Protein is calculated at 4 calories per gram, but has ~20% thermogenic effect, so it's really something like 3.2 calories/gram. Fat has around a 5% thermogenic, so 9 calories/gram is 9calories/gram. I'm not saying don't eat what you want to be satiated, but why choose one macronutrient over another, specifically why fat? why not carb or why not protein? In my opinion (non-scientific, non-justified), if you want a balanced meal, take your calories, divide it by three - one part for carbs, one part for protein, one part for fat. That's balanced.
Also...I ate pizza every Friday with the kids. Best food on earth.0 -
My answer to any naysayer is simply, "its pizza, with bacon". I mean, whats not to get?0
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CassidyScaglione wrote: »@CollieFit They'll probably be off kilter for me in a year or so as well. You're obviously lifting or something from the shoulder shot in your profile pic... hope to get to a place where I can reverse course and start building (some muscle instead of fat), but I'm trying to get closer to my goal weight right now, so building muscle isn't such a priority.
For the activity level that I am at, the amount of protein I'm getting is actually about right.
I doubt very much I'm actually building that much muscle as I'm eating at a deficit. But it's important to me to keep what I have, so that when the body fat drops some muscle becomes visible, as opposed to losing lean mass as well as fat.0 -
CassidyScaglione wrote: »@rabbitjb I like you... I like you because i know you will not try to steal my fruity pizza.... I've got my eye on these other ones though....
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@jacklifts I'm not interested in that much protein. I'm still tweaking the balance between fat and carbs, but 20-25% protein is sufficient for me.0
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I had Margarita Pizza and a margarita for dinner on Wed. But thanks to this thread I might just have to have pizza again today. OP I thought your discovery was wonderful. It is nice to see some numbers to help others to see that yes you can enjoy food you love and still be healthy and lose weight. Of not all pizza is created equal (although all are equally delicious), and accurate logging is important so everyone should be sure to log their particular pizza choice as correctly as possible.0
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No judgement on you Cassidy. Eat what you want, it does not affect me. I'm just arguing a point.
I am by no means a powerlifter,just an average guy trying to get into above average shape. Just saying, that when one macronutrient predominates the meal, that is not a balanced meal. Just like if I ate fruit and veggies all day, some people would argue that's a healthy meal, yet I would argue it's certainly not balanced. Nor is eating 3lbs of chicken breast. The standard American diet is high carb, high fat, low protein - which is certainly not balanced, and devastating when overconsumed. The benefits of protein lie in muscle-preservation effects and it's thermogenic effects. Protein is calculated at 4 calories per gram, but has ~20% thermogenic effect, so it's really something like 3.2 calories/gram. Fat has around a 5% thermogenic, so 9 calories/gram is 9calories/gram. I'm not saying don't eat what you want to be satiated, but why choose one macronutrient over another, specifically why fat? why not carb or why not protein? In my opinion (non-scientific, non-justified), if you want a balanced meal, take your calories, divide it by three - one part for carbs, one part for protein, one part for fat. That's balanced.
Also...I ate pizza every Friday with the kids. Best food on earth.
Thermogenic effect of food isn't fixed. There's evidence that TEF varies with the subjects' weight - obese individuals seem to get more TEF from carbs, but a possibly negative TEF from fat.
Even for lean individual TEF of protein really depends on what the actual amino acids are - do you know the bond energy in a leucine to glutamate bond, or what the cost is to perform gluconeogensis with glutamate versus alanine, or the difference between using tryptophan to make protein or to make the precursor to serotonin I sure don't, and I particularly don't know the ones in my food.0 -
No judgement on you Cassidy. Eat what you want, it does not affect me. I'm just arguing a point.
I am by no means a powerlifter,just an average guy trying to get into above average shape. Just saying, that when one macronutrient predominates the meal, that is not a balanced meal. Just like if I ate fruit and veggies all day, some people would argue that's a healthy meal, yet I would argue it's certainly not balanced. Nor is eating 3lbs of chicken breast. The standard American diet is high carb, high fat, low protein - which is certainly not balanced, and devastating when overconsumed. The benefits of protein lie in muscle-preservation effects and it's thermogenic effects. Protein is calculated at 4 calories per gram, but has ~20% thermogenic effect, so it's really something like 3.2 calories/gram. Fat has around a 5% thermogenic, so 9 calories/gram is 9calories/gram. I'm not saying don't eat what you want to be satiated, but why choose one macronutrient over another, specifically why fat? why not carb or why not protein? In my opinion (non-scientific, non-justified), if you want a balanced meal, take your calories, divide it by three - one part for carbs, one part for protein, one part for fat. That's balanced.
Also...I ate pizza every Friday with the kids. Best food on earth.
That's not how you should calculate your macros.0 -
Thermogenic effect of food isn't fixed. There's evidence that TEF varies with the subjects' weight - obese individuals seem to get more TEF from carbs, but a possibly negative TEF from fat.
Even for lean individual TEF of protein really depends on what the actual amino acids are - do you know the bond energy in a leucine to glutamate bond, or what the cost is to perform gluconeogensis with glutamate versus alanine, or the difference between using tryptophan to make protein or to make the precursor to serotonin I sure don't, and I particularly don't know the ones in my food.
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stevencloser wrote: »No judgement on you Cassidy. Eat what you want, it does not affect me. I'm just arguing a point.
I am by no means a powerlifter,just an average guy trying to get into above average shape. Just saying, that when one macronutrient predominates the meal, that is not a balanced meal. Just like if I ate fruit and veggies all day, some people would argue that's a healthy meal, yet I would argue it's certainly not balanced. Nor is eating 3lbs of chicken breast. The standard American diet is high carb, high fat, low protein - which is certainly not balanced, and devastating when overconsumed. The benefits of protein lie in muscle-preservation effects and it's thermogenic effects. Protein is calculated at 4 calories per gram, but has ~20% thermogenic effect, so it's really something like 3.2 calories/gram. Fat has around a 5% thermogenic, so 9 calories/gram is 9calories/gram. I'm not saying don't eat what you want to be satiated, but why choose one macronutrient over another, specifically why fat? why not carb or why not protein? In my opinion (non-scientific, non-justified), if you want a balanced meal, take your calories, divide it by three - one part for carbs, one part for protein, one part for fat. That's balanced.
Also...I ate pizza every Friday with the kids. Best food on earth.
That's not how you should calculate your macros.
Yah, do you even lift 'bro?0 -
annaskiski wrote: »
Yah, do you even lift 'bro?
I'm pretty sure lifters don't split macros by saying "Ah, what the *kitten*, this is confusing, I'll just split it evenly"
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CassidyScaglione wrote: »annaskiski wrote: »
Yah, do you even lift 'bro?
I'm pretty sure lifters don't split macros by saying "Ah, what the *kitten*, this is confusing, I'll just split it evenly"
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True. But neither am I talking about lifters. If you want to talk about macros for ideal body composition, then read up on Layne Norton, Eric Helms, Lyle McDonald; calculate your macros based on bodyweight and lean mass, and become awesome. However, splitting your calories into thirds is not a bad approximation, creates a balanced intake where no macronutrient is villified, and is sustainable. Like I said, eat what you want, I'm just arguing a point about balanced intake - the title of this thread.0
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mmm pizza. now i want cold pizza for breakfast0
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Well now I'm having pizza for breakfast. Made on a Greek protein flatbread, with sauce, cheese, and meatballs.. 573 calories, 26g of fat, and 56g of protein. I'd say it's a pretty balanced breakfast (granted, if I had used homemade pizza crust it would be 100 more calories and 10g less of protein, but still).
yumm... need. and need that crust!!0 -
No judgement on you Cassidy. Eat what you want, it does not affect me. I'm just arguing a point.
I am by no means a powerlifter,just an average guy trying to get into above average shape. Just saying, that when one macronutrient predominates the meal, that is not a balanced meal. Just like if I ate fruit and veggies all day, some people would argue that's a healthy meal, yet I would argue it's certainly not balanced. Nor is eating 3lbs of chicken breast. The standard American diet is high carb, high fat, low protein - which is certainly not balanced, and devastating when overconsumed. The benefits of protein lie in muscle-preservation effects and it's thermogenic effects. Protein is calculated at 4 calories per gram, but has ~20% thermogenic effect, so it's really something like 3.2 calories/gram. Fat has around a 5% thermogenic, so 9 calories/gram is 9calories/gram. I'm not saying don't eat what you want to be satiated, but why choose one macronutrient over another, specifically why fat? why not carb or why not protein? In my opinion (non-scientific, non-justified), if you want a balanced meal, take your calories, divide it by three - one part for carbs, one part for protein, one part for fat. That's balanced.
Also...I ate pizza every Friday with the kids. Best food on earth.
Thermogenic effect of food isn't fixed. There's evidence that TEF varies with the subjects' weight - obese individuals seem to get more TEF from carbs, but a possibly negative TEF from fat.
Even for lean individual TEF of protein really depends on what the actual amino acids are - do you know the bond energy in a leucine to glutamate bond, or what the cost is to perform gluconeogensis with glutamate versus alanine, or the difference between using tryptophan to make protein or to make the precursor to serotonin I sure don't, and I particularly don't know the ones in my food.
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True. But neither am I talking about lifters. If you want to talk about macros for ideal body composition, then read up on Layne Norton, Eric Helms, Lyle McDonald; calculate your macros based on bodyweight and lean mass, and become awesome. However, splitting your calories into thirds is not a bad approximation, creates a balanced intake where no macronutrient is villified, and is sustainable. Like I said, eat what you want, I'm just arguing a point about balanced intake - the title of this thread.
So the pizza not being balanced for you means it's not balanced for anyone. Gotcha.0 -
No judgement on you Cassidy. Eat what you want, it does not affect me. I'm just arguing a point.
I am by no means a powerlifter,just an average guy trying to get into above average shape. Just saying, that when one macronutrient predominates the meal, that is not a balanced meal. Just like if I ate fruit and veggies all day, some people would argue that's a healthy meal, yet I would argue it's certainly not balanced. Nor is eating 3lbs of chicken breast. The standard American diet is high carb, high fat, low protein - which is certainly not balanced, and devastating when overconsumed. The benefits of protein lie in muscle-preservation effects and it's thermogenic effects. Protein is calculated at 4 calories per gram, but has ~20% thermogenic effect, so it's really something like 3.2 calories/gram. Fat has around a 5% thermogenic, so 9 calories/gram is 9calories/gram. I'm not saying don't eat what you want to be satiated, but why choose one macronutrient over another, specifically why fat? why not carb or why not protein? In my opinion (non-scientific, non-justified), if you want a balanced meal, take your calories, divide it by three - one part for carbs, one part for protein, one part for fat. That's balanced.
Also...I ate pizza every Friday with the kids. Best food on earth.
Majoring in the minors........such a shame........
OP - If you could have choked down 16oz glass of skim milk you would have nailed your macros...........but skim milk is gross.....bleehhhhhh...my opinion only. #teamwholemilk0 -
@jmule24 Skim milk upsets my *ahem* digestion. lol whole milk is much better. Anyways, i'm not one of the people confused about the fat on my butt and the fat in my food being one and the same.0
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Chipotle has the perfect macros, pizza works too in a pinch. Chicken and rice? why do you hate enjoying things bro?0
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