Best Macro ratios for weight loss when insulin resistant
Jeffy80922
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I am 5' 8" and weigh 198 lbs. When I started losing weight, I weighed 225 lbs on Atkins but have since plateaued. I am insulin resistant and to lose weight I have restricted my daily calorie intake to 2050 calories with macros of Carbs 45%, Protein 35% and Fats 20%. I follow my calorie intake strictly, but am still finding it hard to lose weight (remain in 196 to 200 lbs range; even though I exercise regularly). Any suggestions on how I might change my macros to improve my weight loss?
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Hi,
Correct me if Im wrong, but doesn't Atkins require a ratio more like 10c,60f,30p?
If you're insulin resistance you need to drop the carbs I would have thought0 -
Fat causes insulin resistance so you might want to switch up what kind of diet you are on.-2
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I stopped doing Atkins when my weight loss staled at 200 lbs and started using the Harris Benedict Formula with a weight loss goal of 5 to 7lbs per month. Now I try to keep my net carbs around 2050 per day, but am wondering if (because on my insulin resistance), I can improve my weight loss by changing my current macros (C 45%, P 35% and F 20%)????0
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Jeffy80922 wrote: »I stopped doing Atkins when my weight loss staled at 200 lbs and started using the Harris Benedict Formula with a weight loss goal of 5 to 7lbs per month. Now I try to keep my net carbs around 2050 per day, but am wondering if (because on my insulin resistance), I can improve my weight loss by changing my current macros (C 45%, P 35% and F 20%)????
I would have thought lowering your carb intake and replacing it with good fats (nuts, eggs) may be a good solution Jeff. Obviously check with your doctor before changing anything.
Insulin resistance Is a difficult one, your body doesn't produce enough insulin and therefore Stores Carb intake as fat a alot easier than most people.0 -
robs_ready wrote: »Jeffy80922 wrote: »I stopped doing Atkins when my weight loss staled at 200 lbs and started using the Harris Benedict Formula with a weight loss goal of 5 to 7lbs per month. Now I try to keep my net carbs around 2050 per day, but am wondering if (because on my insulin resistance), I can improve my weight loss by changing my current macros (C 45%, P 35% and F 20%)????
I would have thought lowering your carb intake and replacing it with good fats (nuts, eggs) may be a good solution Jeff. Obviously check with your doctor before changing anything.
Insulin resistance Is a difficult one, your body doesn't produce enough insulin and therefore Stores Carb intake as fat a alot easier than most people.
I would definitely check this video out. LCHF diets spike insulin levels. A HCLF diet decreases them.
“As the amount of fat in our diet gets lower and lower, insulin works better and better. This is a clear demonstration that the sugar tolerance of even healthy individuals can be impaired by administering a low-carb high-fat diet. But we can decrease insulin resistance by decreasing fat intake.”
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-causes-insulin-resistance/0 -
robs_ready wrote: »Jeffy80922 wrote: »I stopped doing Atkins when my weight loss staled at 200 lbs and started using the Harris Benedict Formula with a weight loss goal of 5 to 7lbs per month. Now I try to keep my net carbs around 2050 per day, but am wondering if (because on my insulin resistance), I can improve my weight loss by changing my current macros (C 45%, P 35% and F 20%)????
I would have thought lowering your carb intake and replacing it with good fats (nuts, eggs) may be a good solution Jeff. Obviously check with your doctor before changing anything.
Insulin resistance Is a difficult one, your body doesn't produce enough insulin and therefore Stores Carb intake as fat a alot easier than most people.
I would definitely check this video out. LCHF diets spike insulin levels. A HCLF diet decreases them.
“As the amount of fat in our diet gets lower and lower, insulin works better and better. This is a clear demonstration that the sugar tolerance of even healthy individuals can be impaired by administering a low-carb high-fat diet. But we can decrease insulin resistance by decreasing fat intake.”
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-causes-insulin-resistance/
Will give it a watch, thanks!0 -
Based on what I've learned about fat and carbs, I was thinking that maybe the best maco ratio for someone insulin resistant like me might be to increase protein and to keep carbs and fats relatively low...something like P 45%, C 30% and F 25%????0
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Jeffy80922 wrote: »Based on what I've learned about fat and carbs, I was thinking that maybe the best maco ratio for someone insulin resistant like me might be to increase protein and to keep carbs and fats relatively low...something like P 45%, C 30% and F 25%????
Experiment with carbs and protein, just keep fats low.0 -
Sounds good. I'll try that!0
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Best diet for insulin resistance is one that helps you lose weight ..so eat less, move more and choose a macro balance that you can stick with
Traditionally people have been advised to keep their carbs in check but this is mainly in a "diet du jour" response and extrapolated from diabetic diets. It is thought that the most prevalent cause of insulin resistance is being obese
Fat is a minimum macro to meet because it is necessary in the absorption of nutrients ..A common guideline is minimum of 0.35g fat per lb of bodyweight
Protein is the building block for the body ...important for ongoing cell repair...If in defecit consuming higher than RDA recommendations is beneficial..for those looking to maximise their fat:muscle ratio guidelines are minimums of 0.64-0.8g protein per lb bodyweight
Vegetables of every colour are packed with nutrients and minerals and give high volume for low calorie counts
Get a wide ranging diet of foods you love, hit your macro and micro nutrient targets, don't overly restrict but stick to your calorie defecit week in and week out
Move more, get generally active ..walk when you would drive or take the bus
Incorporate some form of progressive resistance in your weekly activity ...to help preserve as much lean tissue as possible as you lose
But the most important advice is to find a diet and exercise programme you can stick to, without getting unnecessarily bogged down in too much detail or listening to strangers on the internet who have a track record of making some very odd and unsubstantiated posts
ps haven't watched the video, have read some studies on mice/rats re saturated fats and insulin response ...not seen anything repeated in humans as yet but common advice is to cut down on sat fats anyway and focus on good fats...oily fish, avocado, olive, nuts, seeds etc
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Also are you weighing and accurately logging all your food ..it is easy for bad habits to slip into logging so that you end up eating at maintenance unknowingly
Digital scales...throw away cups and spoons
Careful selection and double checking of every food selected from the MFP database
Do not overestimate exercise burns ...machines and MFP database tend to be OTT ..eat back 50-75% exercise if following MFP method ...
check against weight loss over 6-8 week rolling cycles and if not on track adjust ...all the calorie numbers are estimates, what your body does is key ...trending apps like libra or happy scale, websites like trendweight.com or weightographer0 -
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Jeffy80922 wrote: »I am 5' 8" and weigh 198 lbs. When I started losing weight, I weighed 225 lbs on Atkins but have since plateaued. I am insulin resistant and to lose weight I have restricted my daily calorie intake to 2050 calories with macros of Carbs 45%, Protein 35% and Fats 20%. I follow my calorie intake strictly, but am still finding it hard to lose weight (remain in 196 to 200 lbs range; even though I exercise regularly). Any suggestions on how I might change my macros to improve my weight loss?
2050 calories isn't really restriction TBH. Typically low carb eaters have more like 1400 calories.
I'm a bit confused as to do Atkins you would want 5 or 10% of calories from carbs, maybe 15 at a push in the later stages. Protein would be 20-25% max 35% and fats the rest (ie >50%).0 -
I posted it in a comment above.. http://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-causes-insulin-resistance/
“As the amount of fat in our diet gets lower and lower, insulin works better and better. This is a clear demonstration that the sugar tolerance of even healthy individuals can be impaired by administering a low-carb high-fat diet. But we can decrease insulin resistance by decreasing fat intake.”0 -
Jeffy80922 wrote: »I am 5' 8" and weigh 198 lbs. When I started losing weight, I weighed 225 lbs on Atkins but have since plateaued. I am insulin resistant and to lose weight I have restricted my daily calorie intake to 2050 calories with macros of Carbs 45%, Protein 35% and Fats 20%. I follow my calorie intake strictly, but am still finding it hard to lose weight (remain in 196 to 200 lbs range; even though I exercise regularly). Any suggestions on how I might change my macros to improve my weight loss?
2050 calories isn't really restriction TBH. Typically low carb eaters have more like 1400 calories.
I'm a bit confused as to do Atkins you would want 5 or 10% of calories from carbs, maybe 15 at a push in the later stages. Protein would be 20-25% max 35% and fats the rest (ie >50%).
I am confused. How are you calculating the calories? I am losing on about 1400 calories and am female/lightly active, 3" shorter
OP there are stickies on how to calculate. I just go by what MFP gave me as a calorie target because it seems to work for me.0 -
robs_ready wrote: »Jeffy80922 wrote: »I stopped doing Atkins when my weight loss staled at 200 lbs and started using the Harris Benedict Formula with a weight loss goal of 5 to 7lbs per month. Now I try to keep my net carbs around 2050 per day, but am wondering if (because on my insulin resistance), I can improve my weight loss by changing my current macros (C 45%, P 35% and F 20%)????
I would have thought lowering your carb intake and replacing it with good fats (nuts, eggs) may be a good solution Jeff. Obviously check with your doctor before changing anything.
Insulin resistance Is a difficult one, your body doesn't produce enough insulin and therefore Stores Carb intake as fat a alot easier than most people.
I would definitely check this video out. LCHF diets spike insulin levels. A HCLF diet decreases them.
“As the amount of fat in our diet gets lower and lower, insulin works better and better. This is a clear demonstration that the sugar tolerance of even healthy individuals can be impaired by administering a low-carb high-fat diet. But we can decrease insulin resistance by decreasing fat intake.”
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-causes-insulin-resistance/
Once again, you misinterpret the data.
Studies since then have been somewhat equivocal, with some showing higher insulin sensitivity on high-carbohydrate diets (1, 2), and others unable to replicate the finding (3). One potential explanation is that the difference in carbohydrate:fat ratios was not sufficient to see a difference in the studies that did not confirm the effect. As per Dr. Himsworth's finding, reduced insulin sensitivity seems to require a very low carbohydrate intake. Qualitative differences between the fat and carbohydrate sources may also have played a role-- unrefined carbohydrates improve insulin sensitivity more than refined carbohydrates.
Although very low-carbohydrate diets can reduce insulin sensitivity (and this squares with the poor glucose tolerance of many people who have followed very low-carbohydrate diets long-term), I think it is fair to ask whether this is harmful or simply adaptive (pathological vs. physiological). When glucose is scarce in the diet, the body initiates a metabolic program to spare glucose for the brain, which is more dependent on glucose than other organs. Since insulin signals tissues to increase glucose uptake, it is logical to think that insulin resistance might be a way of reducing glucose use by peripheral tissues so that the brain gets a larger share.
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-causes-insulin-resistance-part-v.html
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I would say the best diet for IR is what you find from eating to your glucose metre. If a food raises your blood glucose significantly in the 1-3 hours after eating it, you need to reduce the amount or the foods that cause the BG spike. For most people that is cutting back on carbs and, possibly to a lesser extent, protein. Fats will not raise BG or insulin.
Losing excess weight can help some with IR, and I suppose a LFHC diet may be one way to get there, but excess weight is not the cause of all IR. I lost 20+% of my body weight, am now in the middle of my BMI for normal, and I am just as insulin resistant as I was to begin with. A LCHF diet is the only way I control my BG throughout the day. I am basically eating Atkins induction phase, and have been for quite some time. It keeps my metre readings normal.
Go back to Atkins if it worked for you. It sounds like your current macros of 45/35/20 isn't.0 -
Fat does not cause insulin resistance and if you're going low carb try doing more like 10% of your intake or less for a week. 20 grams a day to get fat loss in gear as far as Atkins goes. LOG YOUR FOOD. EAT REAL FOOD. BMI is crazy..people serious about being fit and healthy really still use that nonsense? Based on BMI A.S. would have been grossly obese! Also I use IF to help with the insulin resistance. 3 days a week I eat 600 to 1000 (quality) calories over a 8 hour period and NOTHING but tea or water after 7 pm until 11am the next day. RANT OVER..Have a great day and good luck!0
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FunkyTobias wrote: »robs_ready wrote: »Jeffy80922 wrote: »I stopped doing Atkins when my weight loss staled at 200 lbs and started using the Harris Benedict Formula with a weight loss goal of 5 to 7lbs per month. Now I try to keep my net carbs around 2050 per day, but am wondering if (because on my insulin resistance), I can improve my weight loss by changing my current macros (C 45%, P 35% and F 20%)????
I would have thought lowering your carb intake and replacing it with good fats (nuts, eggs) may be a good solution Jeff. Obviously check with your doctor before changing anything.
Insulin resistance Is a difficult one, your body doesn't produce enough insulin and therefore Stores Carb intake as fat a alot easier than most people.
I would definitely check this video out. LCHF diets spike insulin levels. A HCLF diet decreases them.
“As the amount of fat in our diet gets lower and lower, insulin works better and better. This is a clear demonstration that the sugar tolerance of even healthy individuals can be impaired by administering a low-carb high-fat diet. But we can decrease insulin resistance by decreasing fat intake.”
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-causes-insulin-resistance/
Once again, you misinterpret the data.
Studies since then have been somewhat equivocal, with some showing higher insulin sensitivity on high-carbohydrate diets (1, 2), and others unable to replicate the finding (3). One potential explanation is that the difference in carbohydrate:fat ratios was not sufficient to see a difference in the studies that did not confirm the effect. As per Dr. Himsworth's finding, reduced insulin sensitivity seems to require a very low carbohydrate intake. Qualitative differences between the fat and carbohydrate sources may also have played a role-- unrefined carbohydrates improve insulin sensitivity more than refined carbohydrates.
Although very low-carbohydrate diets can reduce insulin sensitivity (and this squares with the poor glucose tolerance of many people who have followed very low-carbohydrate diets long-term), I think it is fair to ask whether this is harmful or simply adaptive (pathological vs. physiological). When glucose is scarce in the diet, the body initiates a metabolic program to spare glucose for the brain, which is more dependent on glucose than other organs. Since insulin signals tissues to increase glucose uptake, it is logical to think that insulin resistance might be a way of reducing glucose use by peripheral tissues so that the brain gets a larger share.
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-causes-insulin-resistance-part-v.html
You're going off a blogspot.com post for your evidence? How about the National Institute of Health?
http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-topics/Diabetes/insulin-resistance-prediabetes/Pages/index.aspx
Can insulin resistance and prediabetes be reversed?
Yes... The DPP and other large studies proved that people with prediabetes can often prevent or delay diabetes if they lose a modest amount of weight by cutting fat and calorie intake and increasing physical activity—for example, walking 30 minutes a day, 5 days a week.
Approaches to Preventing Diabetes
The DPP tested three approaches to preventing diabetes:
-Making lifestyle changes. People in the lifestyle change group exercised, usually by walking 5 days a week for about 30 minutes a day, and lowered their intake of fat and calories.
-Taking the diabetes medication metformin. Those who took metformin also received information about physical activity and diet.
-Receiving education about diabetes. The third group only received information about physical activity and diet and took a placebo—a pill without medication in it.
In general, people should lose weight by choosing healthy foods, controlling portions, eating less fat, and increasing physical activity. People are better able to lose weight and keep it off when they learn how to adapt their favorite foods to a healthy eating plan.
This - of course - does not CAUSE insulin resistance from all evidence I've read on reputable sources. Being fat (not eating fat) by over-consumption of calories is what causes it. But reducing insulin resistance - according to the NIH - revolves around less calories, less fat and more exercise. They say it quite a few times.
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FunkyTobias wrote: »robs_ready wrote: »Jeffy80922 wrote: »I stopped doing Atkins when my weight loss staled at 200 lbs and started using the Harris Benedict Formula with a weight loss goal of 5 to 7lbs per month. Now I try to keep my net carbs around 2050 per day, but am wondering if (because on my insulin resistance), I can improve my weight loss by changing my current macros (C 45%, P 35% and F 20%)????
I would have thought lowering your carb intake and replacing it with good fats (nuts, eggs) may be a good solution Jeff. Obviously check with your doctor before changing anything.
Insulin resistance Is a difficult one, your body doesn't produce enough insulin and therefore Stores Carb intake as fat a alot easier than most people.
I would definitely check this video out. LCHF diets spike insulin levels. A HCLF diet decreases them.
“As the amount of fat in our diet gets lower and lower, insulin works better and better. This is a clear demonstration that the sugar tolerance of even healthy individuals can be impaired by administering a low-carb high-fat diet. But we can decrease insulin resistance by decreasing fat intake.”
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-causes-insulin-resistance/
Once again, you misinterpret the data.
Studies since then have been somewhat equivocal, with some showing higher insulin sensitivity on high-carbohydrate diets (1, 2), and others unable to replicate the finding (3). One potential explanation is that the difference in carbohydrate:fat ratios was not sufficient to see a difference in the studies that did not confirm the effect. As per Dr. Himsworth's finding, reduced insulin sensitivity seems to require a very low carbohydrate intake. Qualitative differences between the fat and carbohydrate sources may also have played a role-- unrefined carbohydrates improve insulin sensitivity more than refined carbohydrates.
Although very low-carbohydrate diets can reduce insulin sensitivity (and this squares with the poor glucose tolerance of many people who have followed very low-carbohydrate diets long-term), I think it is fair to ask whether this is harmful or simply adaptive (pathological vs. physiological). When glucose is scarce in the diet, the body initiates a metabolic program to spare glucose for the brain, which is more dependent on glucose than other organs. Since insulin signals tissues to increase glucose uptake, it is logical to think that insulin resistance might be a way of reducing glucose use by peripheral tissues so that the brain gets a larger share.
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-causes-insulin-resistance-part-v.html
You're going off a blogspot.com post for your evidence? How about the National Institute of Health?
http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-topics/Diabetes/insulin-resistance-prediabetes/Pages/index.aspx
Can insulin resistance and prediabetes be reversed?
Yes... The DPP and other large studies proved that people with prediabetes can often prevent or delay diabetes if they lose a modest amount of weight by cutting fat and calorie intake and increasing physical activity—for example, walking 30 minutes a day, 5 days a week.
Approaches to Preventing Diabetes
The DPP tested three approaches to preventing diabetes:
-Making lifestyle changes. People in the lifestyle change group exercised, usually by walking 5 days a week for about 30 minutes a day, and lowered their intake of fat and calories.
-Taking the diabetes medication metformin. Those who took metformin also received information about physical activity and diet.
-Receiving education about diabetes. The third group only received information about physical activity and diet and took a placebo—a pill without medication in it.
In general, people should lose weight by choosing healthy foods, controlling portions, eating less fat, and increasing physical activity. People are better able to lose weight and keep it off when they learn how to adapt their favorite foods to a healthy eating plan.
This - of course - does not CAUSE insulin resistance from all evidence I've read on reputable sources. Being fat (not eating fat) by over-consumption of calories is what causes it. But reducing insulin resistance - according to the NIH - revolves around less calories, less fat and more exercise. They say it quite a few times.
Just saying...
Yikes. I find it a bit crazy that the NIH does not mention carbohydrate intake once in that link when carb intake usually has a pretty I direct correlation with blood glucose levels. They don't even say to eat to your metre...
According to them I have done everything wrong except for the weight loss, which didn't help with my IR anyways.
ETA weight loss does help many with IR though. Just not all.0 -
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Since you have health issues, talk with your doctor.0
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FunkyTobias wrote: »robs_ready wrote: »Jeffy80922 wrote: »I stopped doing Atkins when my weight loss staled at 200 lbs and started using the Harris Benedict Formula with a weight loss goal of 5 to 7lbs per month. Now I try to keep my net carbs around 2050 per day, but am wondering if (because on my insulin resistance), I can improve my weight loss by changing my current macros (C 45%, P 35% and F 20%)????
I would have thought lowering your carb intake and replacing it with good fats (nuts, eggs) may be a good solution Jeff. Obviously check with your doctor before changing anything.
Insulin resistance Is a difficult one, your body doesn't produce enough insulin and therefore Stores Carb intake as fat a alot easier than most people.
I would definitely check this video out. LCHF diets spike insulin levels. A HCLF diet decreases them.
“As the amount of fat in our diet gets lower and lower, insulin works better and better. This is a clear demonstration that the sugar tolerance of even healthy individuals can be impaired by administering a low-carb high-fat diet. But we can decrease insulin resistance by decreasing fat intake.”
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-causes-insulin-resistance/
Once again, you misinterpret the data.
Studies since then have been somewhat equivocal, with some showing higher insulin sensitivity on high-carbohydrate diets (1, 2), and others unable to replicate the finding (3). One potential explanation is that the difference in carbohydrate:fat ratios was not sufficient to see a difference in the studies that did not confirm the effect. As per Dr. Himsworth's finding, reduced insulin sensitivity seems to require a very low carbohydrate intake. Qualitative differences between the fat and carbohydrate sources may also have played a role-- unrefined carbohydrates improve insulin sensitivity more than refined carbohydrates.
Although very low-carbohydrate diets can reduce insulin sensitivity (and this squares with the poor glucose tolerance of many people who have followed very low-carbohydrate diets long-term), I think it is fair to ask whether this is harmful or simply adaptive (pathological vs. physiological). When glucose is scarce in the diet, the body initiates a metabolic program to spare glucose for the brain, which is more dependent on glucose than other organs. Since insulin signals tissues to increase glucose uptake, it is logical to think that insulin resistance might be a way of reducing glucose use by peripheral tissues so that the brain gets a larger share.
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-causes-insulin-resistance-part-v.html
We both supplied different sources that provide different conclusions. So I am not misinterpreting data, obviously one study is wrong. And as yours is just a blog post, I would say yours is wrong.0 -
FunkyTobias wrote: »robs_ready wrote: »Jeffy80922 wrote: »I stopped doing Atkins when my weight loss staled at 200 lbs and started using the Harris Benedict Formula with a weight loss goal of 5 to 7lbs per month. Now I try to keep my net carbs around 2050 per day, but am wondering if (because on my insulin resistance), I can improve my weight loss by changing my current macros (C 45%, P 35% and F 20%)????
I would have thought lowering your carb intake and replacing it with good fats (nuts, eggs) may be a good solution Jeff. Obviously check with your doctor before changing anything.
Insulin resistance Is a difficult one, your body doesn't produce enough insulin and therefore Stores Carb intake as fat a alot easier than most people.
I would definitely check this video out. LCHF diets spike insulin levels. A HCLF diet decreases them.
“As the amount of fat in our diet gets lower and lower, insulin works better and better. This is a clear demonstration that the sugar tolerance of even healthy individuals can be impaired by administering a low-carb high-fat diet. But we can decrease insulin resistance by decreasing fat intake.”
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-causes-insulin-resistance/
Once again, you misinterpret the data.
Studies since then have been somewhat equivocal, with some showing higher insulin sensitivity on high-carbohydrate diets (1, 2), and others unable to replicate the finding (3). One potential explanation is that the difference in carbohydrate:fat ratios was not sufficient to see a difference in the studies that did not confirm the effect. As per Dr. Himsworth's finding, reduced insulin sensitivity seems to require a very low carbohydrate intake. Qualitative differences between the fat and carbohydrate sources may also have played a role-- unrefined carbohydrates improve insulin sensitivity more than refined carbohydrates.
Although very low-carbohydrate diets can reduce insulin sensitivity (and this squares with the poor glucose tolerance of many people who have followed very low-carbohydrate diets long-term), I think it is fair to ask whether this is harmful or simply adaptive (pathological vs. physiological). When glucose is scarce in the diet, the body initiates a metabolic program to spare glucose for the brain, which is more dependent on glucose than other organs. Since insulin signals tissues to increase glucose uptake, it is logical to think that insulin resistance might be a way of reducing glucose use by peripheral tissues so that the brain gets a larger share.
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-causes-insulin-resistance-part-v.html
We both supplied different sources that provide different conclusions. So I am not misinterpreting data, obviously one study is wrong. And as yours is just a blog post, I would say yours is wrong.
LOL. You realize your source is "just a blog post" as well. And of course YOU would say it is wrong because everything you've ever said on this site was incorrect.
You're nothing if not consistent.0 -
FunkyTobias wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »robs_ready wrote: »Jeffy80922 wrote: »I stopped doing Atkins when my weight loss staled at 200 lbs and started using the Harris Benedict Formula with a weight loss goal of 5 to 7lbs per month. Now I try to keep my net carbs around 2050 per day, but am wondering if (because on my insulin resistance), I can improve my weight loss by changing my current macros (C 45%, P 35% and F 20%)????
I would have thought lowering your carb intake and replacing it with good fats (nuts, eggs) may be a good solution Jeff. Obviously check with your doctor before changing anything.
Insulin resistance Is a difficult one, your body doesn't produce enough insulin and therefore Stores Carb intake as fat a alot easier than most people.
I would definitely check this video out. LCHF diets spike insulin levels. A HCLF diet decreases them.
“As the amount of fat in our diet gets lower and lower, insulin works better and better. This is a clear demonstration that the sugar tolerance of even healthy individuals can be impaired by administering a low-carb high-fat diet. But we can decrease insulin resistance by decreasing fat intake.”
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-causes-insulin-resistance/
Once again, you misinterpret the data.
Studies since then have been somewhat equivocal, with some showing higher insulin sensitivity on high-carbohydrate diets (1, 2), and others unable to replicate the finding (3). One potential explanation is that the difference in carbohydrate:fat ratios was not sufficient to see a difference in the studies that did not confirm the effect. As per Dr. Himsworth's finding, reduced insulin sensitivity seems to require a very low carbohydrate intake. Qualitative differences between the fat and carbohydrate sources may also have played a role-- unrefined carbohydrates improve insulin sensitivity more than refined carbohydrates.
Although very low-carbohydrate diets can reduce insulin sensitivity (and this squares with the poor glucose tolerance of many people who have followed very low-carbohydrate diets long-term), I think it is fair to ask whether this is harmful or simply adaptive (pathological vs. physiological). When glucose is scarce in the diet, the body initiates a metabolic program to spare glucose for the brain, which is more dependent on glucose than other organs. Since insulin signals tissues to increase glucose uptake, it is logical to think that insulin resistance might be a way of reducing glucose use by peripheral tissues so that the brain gets a larger share.
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-causes-insulin-resistance-part-v.html
We both supplied different sources that provide different conclusions. So I am not misinterpreting data, obviously one study is wrong. And as yours is just a blog post, I would say yours is wrong.
LOL. You realize your source is "just a blog post" as well. And of course YOU would say it is wrong because everything you've ever said on this site was incorrect.
You're nothing if not consistent.
You're saying that scientifically backed evidence from Nutritionfacts.org is just a "blogpost"? I think NF.org is more reputable than the website you cited which was just a blogpost.0 -
FunkyTobias wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »robs_ready wrote: »Jeffy80922 wrote: »I stopped doing Atkins when my weight loss staled at 200 lbs and started using the Harris Benedict Formula with a weight loss goal of 5 to 7lbs per month. Now I try to keep my net carbs around 2050 per day, but am wondering if (because on my insulin resistance), I can improve my weight loss by changing my current macros (C 45%, P 35% and F 20%)????
I would have thought lowering your carb intake and replacing it with good fats (nuts, eggs) may be a good solution Jeff. Obviously check with your doctor before changing anything.
Insulin resistance Is a difficult one, your body doesn't produce enough insulin and therefore Stores Carb intake as fat a alot easier than most people.
I would definitely check this video out. LCHF diets spike insulin levels. A HCLF diet decreases them.
“As the amount of fat in our diet gets lower and lower, insulin works better and better. This is a clear demonstration that the sugar tolerance of even healthy individuals can be impaired by administering a low-carb high-fat diet. But we can decrease insulin resistance by decreasing fat intake.”
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-causes-insulin-resistance/
Once again, you misinterpret the data.
Studies since then have been somewhat equivocal, with some showing higher insulin sensitivity on high-carbohydrate diets (1, 2), and others unable to replicate the finding (3). One potential explanation is that the difference in carbohydrate:fat ratios was not sufficient to see a difference in the studies that did not confirm the effect. As per Dr. Himsworth's finding, reduced insulin sensitivity seems to require a very low carbohydrate intake. Qualitative differences between the fat and carbohydrate sources may also have played a role-- unrefined carbohydrates improve insulin sensitivity more than refined carbohydrates.
Although very low-carbohydrate diets can reduce insulin sensitivity (and this squares with the poor glucose tolerance of many people who have followed very low-carbohydrate diets long-term), I think it is fair to ask whether this is harmful or simply adaptive (pathological vs. physiological). When glucose is scarce in the diet, the body initiates a metabolic program to spare glucose for the brain, which is more dependent on glucose than other organs. Since insulin signals tissues to increase glucose uptake, it is logical to think that insulin resistance might be a way of reducing glucose use by peripheral tissues so that the brain gets a larger share.
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-causes-insulin-resistance-part-v.html
We both supplied different sources that provide different conclusions. So I am not misinterpreting data, obviously one study is wrong. And as yours is just a blog post, I would say yours is wrong.
LOL. You realize your source is "just a blog post" as well. And of course YOU would say it is wrong because everything you've ever said on this site was incorrect.
You're nothing if not consistent.
You're saying that scientifically backed evidence from Nutritionfacts.org is just a "blogpost"? I think NF.org is more reputable than the website you cited which was just a blogpost.
You realize that Nutritinfacts.org is not a peer-reviewed scientific journal, right? And that it's run by a single researcher, right? (one with a vegetarian bias, I might add)
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FunkyTobias wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »robs_ready wrote: »Jeffy80922 wrote: »I stopped doing Atkins when my weight loss staled at 200 lbs and started using the Harris Benedict Formula with a weight loss goal of 5 to 7lbs per month. Now I try to keep my net carbs around 2050 per day, but am wondering if (because on my insulin resistance), I can improve my weight loss by changing my current macros (C 45%, P 35% and F 20%)????
I would have thought lowering your carb intake and replacing it with good fats (nuts, eggs) may be a good solution Jeff. Obviously check with your doctor before changing anything.
Insulin resistance Is a difficult one, your body doesn't produce enough insulin and therefore Stores Carb intake as fat a alot easier than most people.
I would definitely check this video out. LCHF diets spike insulin levels. A HCLF diet decreases them.
“As the amount of fat in our diet gets lower and lower, insulin works better and better. This is a clear demonstration that the sugar tolerance of even healthy individuals can be impaired by administering a low-carb high-fat diet. But we can decrease insulin resistance by decreasing fat intake.”
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-causes-insulin-resistance/
Once again, you misinterpret the data.
Studies since then have been somewhat equivocal, with some showing higher insulin sensitivity on high-carbohydrate diets (1, 2), and others unable to replicate the finding (3). One potential explanation is that the difference in carbohydrate:fat ratios was not sufficient to see a difference in the studies that did not confirm the effect. As per Dr. Himsworth's finding, reduced insulin sensitivity seems to require a very low carbohydrate intake. Qualitative differences between the fat and carbohydrate sources may also have played a role-- unrefined carbohydrates improve insulin sensitivity more than refined carbohydrates.
Although very low-carbohydrate diets can reduce insulin sensitivity (and this squares with the poor glucose tolerance of many people who have followed very low-carbohydrate diets long-term), I think it is fair to ask whether this is harmful or simply adaptive (pathological vs. physiological). When glucose is scarce in the diet, the body initiates a metabolic program to spare glucose for the brain, which is more dependent on glucose than other organs. Since insulin signals tissues to increase glucose uptake, it is logical to think that insulin resistance might be a way of reducing glucose use by peripheral tissues so that the brain gets a larger share.
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-causes-insulin-resistance-part-v.html
We both supplied different sources that provide different conclusions. So I am not misinterpreting data, obviously one study is wrong. And as yours is just a blog post, I would say yours is wrong.
LOL. You realize your source is "just a blog post" as well. And of course YOU would say it is wrong because everything you've ever said on this site was incorrect.
You're nothing if not consistent.
You're saying that scientifically backed evidence from Nutritionfacts.org is just a "blogpost"? I think NF.org is more reputable than the website you cited which was just a blogpost.
You realize that Nutritinfacts.org is not a peer-reviewed scientific journal, right? And that it's run by a single researcher, right? (one with a vegetarian bias, I might add)
And yours was any better?0 -
FunkyTobias wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »robs_ready wrote: »Jeffy80922 wrote: »I stopped doing Atkins when my weight loss staled at 200 lbs and started using the Harris Benedict Formula with a weight loss goal of 5 to 7lbs per month. Now I try to keep my net carbs around 2050 per day, but am wondering if (because on my insulin resistance), I can improve my weight loss by changing my current macros (C 45%, P 35% and F 20%)????
I would have thought lowering your carb intake and replacing it with good fats (nuts, eggs) may be a good solution Jeff. Obviously check with your doctor before changing anything.
Insulin resistance Is a difficult one, your body doesn't produce enough insulin and therefore Stores Carb intake as fat a alot easier than most people.
I would definitely check this video out. LCHF diets spike insulin levels. A HCLF diet decreases them.
“As the amount of fat in our diet gets lower and lower, insulin works better and better. This is a clear demonstration that the sugar tolerance of even healthy individuals can be impaired by administering a low-carb high-fat diet. But we can decrease insulin resistance by decreasing fat intake.”
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-causes-insulin-resistance/
Once again, you misinterpret the data.
Studies since then have been somewhat equivocal, with some showing higher insulin sensitivity on high-carbohydrate diets (1, 2), and others unable to replicate the finding (3). One potential explanation is that the difference in carbohydrate:fat ratios was not sufficient to see a difference in the studies that did not confirm the effect. As per Dr. Himsworth's finding, reduced insulin sensitivity seems to require a very low carbohydrate intake. Qualitative differences between the fat and carbohydrate sources may also have played a role-- unrefined carbohydrates improve insulin sensitivity more than refined carbohydrates.
Although very low-carbohydrate diets can reduce insulin sensitivity (and this squares with the poor glucose tolerance of many people who have followed very low-carbohydrate diets long-term), I think it is fair to ask whether this is harmful or simply adaptive (pathological vs. physiological). When glucose is scarce in the diet, the body initiates a metabolic program to spare glucose for the brain, which is more dependent on glucose than other organs. Since insulin signals tissues to increase glucose uptake, it is logical to think that insulin resistance might be a way of reducing glucose use by peripheral tissues so that the brain gets a larger share.
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-causes-insulin-resistance-part-v.html
We both supplied different sources that provide different conclusions. So I am not misinterpreting data, obviously one study is wrong. And as yours is just a blog post, I would say yours is wrong.
LOL. You realize your source is "just a blog post" as well. And of course YOU would say it is wrong because everything you've ever said on this site was incorrect.
You're nothing if not consistent.
You're saying that scientifically backed evidence from Nutritionfacts.org is just a "blogpost"? I think NF.org is more reputable than the website you cited which was just a blogpost.
You realize that Nutritinfacts.org is not a peer-reviewed scientific journal, right? And that it's run by a single researcher, right? (one with a vegetarian bias, I might add)
And yours was any better?
Well, he can tell the difference between transitory an chronic insulin resistance, for one thing.
And lets not forget that not even your source claimed that low carb diets "spike insulin", like you originally claimed.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVjWPclrWVY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjKPIcI51lU
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