Dieters Edema
ashayoc
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Weighing everyday with a sometimey scale but Sunday I was 173.6 Tuesday I'm
176 I think it's water retention because I've been killing my exercises and I know it has to be working!! I've been under my calorie goals as well. I've ditched the scale packed it away until I buy a new one and I won't weigh until next Sunday. I've thrown some green tea into my diet to see if it helps my dieters edema. It's Frustrating as all this time I've seen a steady 2 pound decrease every week. Hopefully by Saturday I'll see better results. I'm looking to add a waist trimmer to my workout in hopes to shed water weight in my waist during my workouts! Any one else have anything to add?
176 I think it's water retention because I've been killing my exercises and I know it has to be working!! I've been under my calorie goals as well. I've ditched the scale packed it away until I buy a new one and I won't weigh until next Sunday. I've thrown some green tea into my diet to see if it helps my dieters edema. It's Frustrating as all this time I've seen a steady 2 pound decrease every week. Hopefully by Saturday I'll see better results. I'm looking to add a waist trimmer to my workout in hopes to shed water weight in my waist during my workouts! Any one else have anything to add?
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The water retention is part of the muscle repair process. Accept it.
Green tea and waist trainers won't get rid of it. Stopping exercise will have you pee it all out in a couple of days.
Cheers, h.0 -
Never weigh everyday , once a week the same time eg every monday morning , before eating anything and naked is best .0
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ddavenport63 wrote: »Never weigh everyday , once a week the same time eg every monday morning , before eating anything and naked is best .
Why? Weigh as often as you want as long as you understand fluctuations and don't let it emotionally drive you.
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middlehaitch wrote: »The water retention is part of the muscle repair process. Accept it.
Green tea and waist trainers won't get rid of it. Stopping exercise will have you pee it all out in a couple of days.
Cheers, h.
So what your saying is do rest day? Im afraid if I do I'll get too comfortable lol
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »ddavenport63 wrote: »Never weigh everyday , once a week the same time eg every monday morning , before eating anything and naked is best .
Why? Weigh as often as you want as long as you understand fluctuations and don't let it emotionally drive you.
I use to weigh every Sunday morning naked before I eat and I did this Sunday I logged those results but I'm saying since which I've gained on the scale so it's depressing I guess I could stick to just Sunday and yes it emotionally stresses me
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I am not saying do a rest day for expelling the water retained for muscle repair. It takes upto a week for that to happen.
If you are working out hard you should have a rest day for your body to recover though.
I am saying accept the water weight it is part of the muscle repair process.
Cheers, h.0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »ddavenport63 wrote: »Never weigh everyday , once a week the same time eg every monday morning , before eating anything and naked is best .
Why? Weigh as often as you want as long as you understand fluctuations and don't let it emotionally drive you.
I use to weigh every Sunday morning naked before I eat and I did this Sunday I logged those results but I'm saying since which I've gained on the scale so it's depressing I guess I could stick to just Sunday and yes it emotionally stresses me
Then it is important to learn to not be a slave to the numbers. Try this - weigh yourself 4-5 times a day for two days. Write down all the weigh-ins. See how much you vary within a day? Understanding in-day variance is a way of saying - hey, some of this is just related to undigested food, hydration, glycogen stores, health, TOM, etc...
Track trends - one single point doesn't matter it is trends over 3-4 weeks or months that matter. You aren't living a healthy life for a day of weight but for the rest of your life.
Understand that exercise creates changes in weight. And that you will see that on the scale.
Unless you accept it and devoid it of the emotional elements you will be stuck in a cycle of fluctuation (unavoidable)-> stressed out -> giving up on activity or healthy eating -> weight gain.
You've seen a steady decrease all this time, one up measurement or even a few, are normal parts of the process.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/EvgeniZyntx/view/prison-of-numbers-751723
Edit: (and make sure you get at least one rest day a week - muscle repair, better stress levels and, gasp, weight loss occur also during needed recovery time.)
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And remember - slow and steady:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10331008/slow-and-steady-wins-the-race0 -
middlehaitch wrote: »I am not saying do a rest day for expelling the water retained for muscle repair. It takes upto a week for that to happen.
If you are working out hard you should have a rest day for your body to recover though.
I am saying accept the water weight it is part of the muscle repair process.
Cheers, h.
Ok thanks I will try that
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »ddavenport63 wrote: »Never weigh everyday , once a week the same time eg every monday morning , before eating anything and naked is best .
Why? Weigh as often as you want as long as you understand fluctuations and don't let it emotionally drive you.
I use to weigh every Sunday morning naked before I eat and I did this Sunday I logged those results but I'm saying since which I've gained on the scale so it's depressing I guess I could stick to just Sunday and yes it emotionally stresses me
Then it is important to learn to not be a slave to the numbers. Try this - weigh yourself 4-5 times a day for two days. Write down all the weigh-ins. See how much you vary within a day? Understanding in-day variance is a way of saying - hey, some of this is just related to undigested food, hydration, glycogen stores, health, TOM, etc...
Track trends - one single point doesn't matter it is trends over 3-4 weeks or months that matter. You aren't living a healthy life for a day of weight but for the rest of your life.
Understand that exercise creates changes in weight. And that you will see that on the scale.
Unless you accept it and devoid it of the emotional elements you will be stuck in a cycle of fluctuation (unavoidable)-> stressed out -> giving up on activity or healthy eating -> weight gain.
You've seen a steady decrease all this time, one up measurement or even a few, are normal parts of the process.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/EvgeniZyntx/view/prison-of-numbers-751723
Edit: (and make sure you get at least one rest day a week - muscle repair, better stress levels and, gasp, weight loss occur also during needed recovery time.)
I understand your point ok I'll give this a try also. I don't think I'll track that often once a week is fine and I'll include a rest day0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »ddavenport63 wrote: »Never weigh everyday , once a week the same time eg every monday morning , before eating anything and naked is best .
Why? Weigh as often as you want as long as you understand fluctuations and don't let it emotionally drive you.
This
www.trendweight.com
or Happy Scale
Or Libra
Get used to fluctuations - you don't have a scale weight but a scale weight range
dehydration, sodium, carbs, change-up in exercise, hormones around ovulation and menstruation - all affect the number on the scale0 -
middlehaitch wrote: »The water retention is part of the muscle repair process. Accept it.
Green tea and waist trainers won't get rid of it. Stopping exercise will have you pee it all out in a couple of days.
Cheers, h.
So what your saying is do rest day? Im afraid if I do I'll get too comfortable lol
Rest days are part of a good fitness routine - particularly if including progressive resistance - nobody should work out every single day0 -
Don't wear a waist trainer while working out. It'll be uncomfortable, it'll keep you from breathing deeply, mess with your form, interfere with actually strengthening your core, it can give you acid reflux and increase your risk of blood clots, and despite all that, it won't actually *do* anything helpful. You can't spot reduce. It'll just squish everything together during the time you MOST need to be able to breath deeply and have good blood flow. When you take it off, everything plops back out to where it goes naturally. You can't "train" your waist externally except through years of very extreme tightlacing corsetry that leaves you dependent on the corset to function afterward, and that carries all the same risks of wearing a waist trainer while working out, but all the time.
Actually just don't wear a waist trainer ever. It's just a corset. We realized those were a terrible idea over a century ago, that's why the scammers who sell them had to rebrand as "waist trainers" for the Kardashians to market them.0 -
middlehaitch wrote: »The water retention is part of the muscle repair process. Accept it.
Green tea and waist trainers won't get rid of it. Stopping exercise will have you pee it all out in a couple of days.
Cheers, h.
So what your saying is do rest day? Im afraid if I do I'll get too comfortable lol
Rest days are part of a good fitness routine - particularly if including progressive resistance - nobody should work out every single day
This.
We gain strength on rest days, not workout days.
Exercise puts micro tears in muscles and on rest days those muscles heal and get stronger.0 -
ddavenport63 wrote: »Never weigh everyday , once a week the same time eg every monday morning , before eating anything and naked is best .
I've weighed myself every day for 14 years. That's how I learned about the patterns.
I weigh more the day after a high sodium meal.
I weigh more the day after a big carb meal.
I weigh more if I really go at it at the gym for a few days.
I weighed more right before I ovulated.
I weighed more right before my period.
I weigh more for TWO days after every airplane flight.
Knowing the patterns means not freaking out. Unless you have a tendency toward an eating disorder or the like, there's nothing wrong with weighing daily.0 -
emmycantbemeeko wrote: »Don't wear a waist trainer while working out. It'll be uncomfortable, it'll keep you from breathing deeply, mess with your form, interfere with actually strengthening your core, it can give you acid reflux and increase your risk of blood clots, and despite all that, it won't actually *do* anything helpful. You can't spot reduce. It'll just squish everything together during the time you MOST need to be able to breath deeply and have good blood flow. When you take it off, everything plops back out to where it goes naturally. You can't "train" your waist externally except through years of very extreme tightlacing corsetry that leaves you dependent on the corset to function afterward, and that carries all the same risks of wearing a waist trainer while working out, but all the time.
Actually just don't wear a waist trainer ever. It's just a corset. We realized those were a terrible idea over a century ago, that's why the scammers who sell them had to rebrand as "waist trainers" for the Kardashians to market them.
THIS. SO MUCH THIS.
I love wearing a corset for costuming, but yeah - they can end up weakening your core and cause you all sorts of problems. Not only, that but their slimming effects are very temporary (you'll bounce back to your original size within a day of taking it off). Anyone who has actually achieved a permanent smaller size has done so because they've successfully moved their bones and organs - which is not good for you.
The only time I've worn a corset for non-costuming purposes was for temporary back support after having muscle spasms. Otherwise, they should be limited to costumed events.0 -
If you really want to see the water weight drop, you can spend a day or two eating at your maintenance level. Personally, I'd just accept it and move on.
http://www.leangains.com/2010/01/how-to-deal-with-water-retention-part.html
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ManiacalLaugh wrote: »emmycantbemeeko wrote: »Don't wear a waist trainer while working out. It'll be uncomfortable, it'll keep you from breathing deeply, mess with your form, interfere with actually strengthening your core, it can give you acid reflux and increase your risk of blood clots, and despite all that, it won't actually *do* anything helpful. You can't spot reduce. It'll just squish everything together during the time you MOST need to be able to breath deeply and have good blood flow. When you take it off, everything plops back out to where it goes naturally. You can't "train" your waist externally except through years of very extreme tightlacing corsetry that leaves you dependent on the corset to function afterward, and that carries all the same risks of wearing a waist trainer while working out, but all the time.
Actually just don't wear a waist trainer ever. It's just a corset. We realized those were a terrible idea over a century ago, that's why the scammers who sell them had to rebrand as "waist trainers" for the Kardashians to market them.
THIS. SO MUCH THIS.
I love wearing a corset for costuming, but yeah - they can end up weakening your core and cause you all sorts of problems. Not only, that but their slimming effects are very temporary (you'll bounce back to your original size within a day of taking it off). Anyone who has actually achieved a permanent smaller size has done so because they've successfully moved their bones and organs - which is not good for you.
The only time I've worn a corset for non-costuming purposes was for temporary back support after having muscle spasms. Otherwise, they should be limited to costumed events.
I agree it shouldn't be worn during a workout, but a proper corset and waist training will not harm you at all. It's when you tightlace and go overboard and don't understand how waist training works that there can be problems. Women who waist train do it very very gradually and ease into it, rather than wear a corset over a 24/7 hour period to begin with.0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »ddavenport63 wrote: »Never weigh everyday , once a week the same time eg every monday morning , before eating anything and naked is best .
Why? Weigh as often as you want as long as you understand fluctuations and don't let it emotionally drive you.
^^THIS!
Too many people set false expectations about how the weight loss process should proceed, don't educate themselves about normal bodily responses, then get stressed out when things don't go their way! A little bit of info hoes a long way.
I encourage everyone to read or re-read the sticky posts at the top of each MFP forum. They're there for a very good reason!!!0 -
Colorscheme wrote: »ManiacalLaugh wrote: »emmycantbemeeko wrote: »Don't wear a waist trainer while working out. It'll be uncomfortable, it'll keep you from breathing deeply, mess with your form, interfere with actually strengthening your core, it can give you acid reflux and increase your risk of blood clots, and despite all that, it won't actually *do* anything helpful. You can't spot reduce. It'll just squish everything together during the time you MOST need to be able to breath deeply and have good blood flow. When you take it off, everything plops back out to where it goes naturally. You can't "train" your waist externally except through years of very extreme tightlacing corsetry that leaves you dependent on the corset to function afterward, and that carries all the same risks of wearing a waist trainer while working out, but all the time.
Actually just don't wear a waist trainer ever. It's just a corset. We realized those were a terrible idea over a century ago, that's why the scammers who sell them had to rebrand as "waist trainers" for the Kardashians to market them.
THIS. SO MUCH THIS.
I love wearing a corset for costuming, but yeah - they can end up weakening your core and cause you all sorts of problems. Not only, that but their slimming effects are very temporary (you'll bounce back to your original size within a day of taking it off). Anyone who has actually achieved a permanent smaller size has done so because they've successfully moved their bones and organs - which is not good for you.
The only time I've worn a corset for non-costuming purposes was for temporary back support after having muscle spasms. Otherwise, they should be limited to costumed events.
I agree it shouldn't be worn during a workout, but a proper corset and waist training will not harm you at all. It's when you tightlace and go overboard and don't understand how waist training works that there can be problems. Women who waist train do it very very gradually and ease into it, rather than wear a corset over a 24/7 hour period to begin with.
There really isn't such a thing as "gradual waist training". You can train your body to gradually tolerate wearing a corset for longer periods (but your waist will still go back to what it naturally would be within a day or two of corsetlessness). You can wear a corset for short periods (but it will have no effect on your shape when you take the corset off). You can actually distort your skeleton and internal organs and cause wasting of your abdominal and back muscles to reshape your waist more permanently, but this requires extensive tightlacing for a long period that also requires the wearing of the corset for support after the "goal" is achieved, and has been understood to be damaging since, oh, the Victorian era. Squeezing your torso mass inward to achieve a smaller shape is, perhaps, not damaging in a small amount, but it's not permanent for most people, and it's DEFINITELY not a good idea while you're working out. And the whole language of "training" around it, like it's something you can do to productively change your body as opposed to a brace that reshapes by force only while you're wearing it, and that can have negative side effects, is really misleading.
Thinking you can "train" your waist to be smaller by wearing a corset is like thinking you can train yourself to be taller and leggier by wearing high heels. It works- while you're wearing the device. It stops when you take it off. Unless you wear it so long you cause permanent deformation of the body (which can happen with both corsets and high heels), but that's not exactly a great goal.0 -
I'm just going to leave this here as an illustration of what permanent waist training can do (Granted, I realize this is an extreme). If you call this kind of alteration "healthy and acceptable", then we probably have different definitions of those terms.
(And yes, even gradual "training" still has to move and alter the insides. You can't force yourself to have a waist without your body needing to move some internal items around to accommodate the unnatural adaptation.)0 -
Drink a whole bottle of diet cranberry juice. It has 50 calories. So work it into your daily quota. Weigh tomorrow morning and update us. Good luck!0
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I am talking about the 1/2 gallon ocean spray diet cranberry juice. If it has over 5 calories a cup, you have the wrong brand.0
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emmycantbemeeko wrote: »Colorscheme wrote: »ManiacalLaugh wrote: »emmycantbemeeko wrote: »Don't wear a waist trainer while working out. It'll be uncomfortable, it'll keep you from breathing deeply, mess with your form, interfere with actually strengthening your core, it can give you acid reflux and increase your risk of blood clots, and despite all that, it won't actually *do* anything helpful. You can't spot reduce. It'll just squish everything together during the time you MOST need to be able to breath deeply and have good blood flow. When you take it off, everything plops back out to where it goes naturally. You can't "train" your waist externally except through years of very extreme tightlacing corsetry that leaves you dependent on the corset to function afterward, and that carries all the same risks of wearing a waist trainer while working out, but all the time.
Actually just don't wear a waist trainer ever. It's just a corset. We realized those were a terrible idea over a century ago, that's why the scammers who sell them had to rebrand as "waist trainers" for the Kardashians to market them.
THIS. SO MUCH THIS.
I love wearing a corset for costuming, but yeah - they can end up weakening your core and cause you all sorts of problems. Not only, that but their slimming effects are very temporary (you'll bounce back to your original size within a day of taking it off). Anyone who has actually achieved a permanent smaller size has done so because they've successfully moved their bones and organs - which is not good for you.
The only time I've worn a corset for non-costuming purposes was for temporary back support after having muscle spasms. Otherwise, they should be limited to costumed events.
I agree it shouldn't be worn during a workout, but a proper corset and waist training will not harm you at all. It's when you tightlace and go overboard and don't understand how waist training works that there can be problems. Women who waist train do it very very gradually and ease into it, rather than wear a corset over a 24/7 hour period to begin with.
There really isn't such a thing as "gradual waist training". You can train your body to gradually tolerate wearing a corset for longer periods (but your waist will still go back to what it naturally would be within a day or two of corsetlessness). You can wear a corset for short periods (but it will have no effect on your shape when you take the corset off). You can actually distort your skeleton and internal organs and cause wasting of your abdominal and back muscles to reshape your waist more permanently, but this requires extensive tightlacing for a long period that also requires the wearing of the corset for support after the "goal" is achieved, and has been understood to be damaging since, oh, the Victorian era. Squeezing your torso mass inward to achieve a smaller shape is, perhaps, not damaging in a small amount, but it's not permanent for most people, and it's DEFINITELY not a good idea while you're working out. And the whole language of "training" around it, like it's something you can do to productively change your body as opposed to a brace that reshapes by force only while you're wearing it, and that can have negative side effects, is really misleading.
Thinking you can "train" your waist to be smaller by wearing a corset is like thinking you can train yourself to be taller and leggier by wearing high heels. It works- while you're wearing the device. It stops when you take it off. Unless you wear it so long you cause permanent deformation of the body (which can happen with both corsets and high heels), but that's not exactly a great goal.
By gradual training, I meant getting corsets in slightly smaller sizes over a long period of time until you have the corseted waist size you want.0 -
ManiacalLaugh wrote: »
I'm just going to leave this here as an illustration of what permanent waist training can do (Granted, I realize this is an extreme). If you call this kind of alteration "healthy and acceptable", then we probably have different definitions of those terms.
(And yes, even gradual "training" still has to move and alter the insides. You can't force yourself to have a waist without your body needing to move some internal items around to accommodate the unnatural adaptation.)
I never said it was healthy and acceptable. If people want to do it, whatever. But there is a right and wrong ways and a LOT of misconceptions about waist training and corsets.
I'm into historical costuming and things like corsets/stays/pairs of bodies and foundation garments are necessary to get the correct period shape, but I would not waist train because there's no purpose. Extremists are far and few in between.0 -
Colorscheme wrote: »emmycantbemeeko wrote: »Colorscheme wrote: »ManiacalLaugh wrote: »emmycantbemeeko wrote: »Don't wear a waist trainer while working out. It'll be uncomfortable, it'll keep you from breathing deeply, mess with your form, interfere with actually strengthening your core, it can give you acid reflux and increase your risk of blood clots, and despite all that, it won't actually *do* anything helpful. You can't spot reduce. It'll just squish everything together during the time you MOST need to be able to breath deeply and have good blood flow. When you take it off, everything plops back out to where it goes naturally. You can't "train" your waist externally except through years of very extreme tightlacing corsetry that leaves you dependent on the corset to function afterward, and that carries all the same risks of wearing a waist trainer while working out, but all the time.
Actually just don't wear a waist trainer ever. It's just a corset. We realized those were a terrible idea over a century ago, that's why the scammers who sell them had to rebrand as "waist trainers" for the Kardashians to market them.
THIS. SO MUCH THIS.
I love wearing a corset for costuming, but yeah - they can end up weakening your core and cause you all sorts of problems. Not only, that but their slimming effects are very temporary (you'll bounce back to your original size within a day of taking it off). Anyone who has actually achieved a permanent smaller size has done so because they've successfully moved their bones and organs - which is not good for you.
The only time I've worn a corset for non-costuming purposes was for temporary back support after having muscle spasms. Otherwise, they should be limited to costumed events.
I agree it shouldn't be worn during a workout, but a proper corset and waist training will not harm you at all. It's when you tightlace and go overboard and don't understand how waist training works that there can be problems. Women who waist train do it very very gradually and ease into it, rather than wear a corset over a 24/7 hour period to begin with.
There really isn't such a thing as "gradual waist training". You can train your body to gradually tolerate wearing a corset for longer periods (but your waist will still go back to what it naturally would be within a day or two of corsetlessness). You can wear a corset for short periods (but it will have no effect on your shape when you take the corset off). You can actually distort your skeleton and internal organs and cause wasting of your abdominal and back muscles to reshape your waist more permanently, but this requires extensive tightlacing for a long period that also requires the wearing of the corset for support after the "goal" is achieved, and has been understood to be damaging since, oh, the Victorian era. Squeezing your torso mass inward to achieve a smaller shape is, perhaps, not damaging in a small amount, but it's not permanent for most people, and it's DEFINITELY not a good idea while you're working out. And the whole language of "training" around it, like it's something you can do to productively change your body as opposed to a brace that reshapes by force only while you're wearing it, and that can have negative side effects, is really misleading.
Thinking you can "train" your waist to be smaller by wearing a corset is like thinking you can train yourself to be taller and leggier by wearing high heels. It works- while you're wearing the device. It stops when you take it off. Unless you wear it so long you cause permanent deformation of the body (which can happen with both corsets and high heels), but that's not exactly a great goal.
By gradual training, I meant getting corsets in slightly smaller sizes over a long period of time until you have the corseted waist size you want.
Right- that's what I'm saying.
No matter how "gradually" you go, either a. you're not making actual physical changes with that gradual transition, you're just training yourself to tolerate wearing tighter corsets (and it has no effect outside the period when the corset is actually in place, you're just becoming more tolerant of the discomfort) or b. you *are* making physical changes (muscle wasting, bone and organ displacement) that shrink the waist but are damaging and tend to necessitate the wearing of the corset both to maintain the changes and to support the now diminished musculature.
Sure, you're probably causing *more* damage if you try to tightlace in to a tiny corset quickly than working your way up to it, but going gradually is just as either ineffectual as "waist training" (if you don't achieve physical reshaping- you're just teaching yourself to wear more dramatic shapewear for short periods) or effective but physically damaging (if you do achieve physical reshaping). It's just slower damage to which you become accustomed.
You can't reposition your bones and organs and waste your muscles in a *healthy* way no matter what pace you do it at. You can do it in a way where the process is less painful and the inherent side effects start to seem normal to you, but it's still a physically damaging and destructive process.
And if it's *not* physically damaging and destructive, the only "training" that's happening is teaching yourself to stand wearing a tight garment that makes your waist look smaller while you're wearing it, and go back to its natural size when you take it off. Which is fine- I enjoy costuming and have worn corsets for particular outfits and occasions- I just can't stand that this snake oil industry has sprung up trying to convince women that this very old garment is some kind of health tool that will reshape their waist permanently instead of exactly what it is- a corset that for 99% of wearers is just going to make their waist appear smaller while they wear it, and stop having an effect as soon as they take it off. And the idea of wearing one while working out in the manner of instagram celebrities is even worse.0 -
emmycantbemeeko wrote: »Colorscheme wrote: »emmycantbemeeko wrote: »Colorscheme wrote: »ManiacalLaugh wrote: »emmycantbemeeko wrote: »Don't wear a waist trainer while working out. It'll be uncomfortable, it'll keep you from breathing deeply, mess with your form, interfere with actually strengthening your core, it can give you acid reflux and increase your risk of blood clots, and despite all that, it won't actually *do* anything helpful. You can't spot reduce. It'll just squish everything together during the time you MOST need to be able to breath deeply and have good blood flow. When you take it off, everything plops back out to where it goes naturally. You can't "train" your waist externally except through years of very extreme tightlacing corsetry that leaves you dependent on the corset to function afterward, and that carries all the same risks of wearing a waist trainer while working out, but all the time.
Actually just don't wear a waist trainer ever. It's just a corset. We realized those were a terrible idea over a century ago, that's why the scammers who sell them had to rebrand as "waist trainers" for the Kardashians to market them.
THIS. SO MUCH THIS.
I love wearing a corset for costuming, but yeah - they can end up weakening your core and cause you all sorts of problems. Not only, that but their slimming effects are very temporary (you'll bounce back to your original size within a day of taking it off). Anyone who has actually achieved a permanent smaller size has done so because they've successfully moved their bones and organs - which is not good for you.
The only time I've worn a corset for non-costuming purposes was for temporary back support after having muscle spasms. Otherwise, they should be limited to costumed events.
I agree it shouldn't be worn during a workout, but a proper corset and waist training will not harm you at all. It's when you tightlace and go overboard and don't understand how waist training works that there can be problems. Women who waist train do it very very gradually and ease into it, rather than wear a corset over a 24/7 hour period to begin with.
There really isn't such a thing as "gradual waist training". You can train your body to gradually tolerate wearing a corset for longer periods (but your waist will still go back to what it naturally would be within a day or two of corsetlessness). You can wear a corset for short periods (but it will have no effect on your shape when you take the corset off). You can actually distort your skeleton and internal organs and cause wasting of your abdominal and back muscles to reshape your waist more permanently, but this requires extensive tightlacing for a long period that also requires the wearing of the corset for support after the "goal" is achieved, and has been understood to be damaging since, oh, the Victorian era. Squeezing your torso mass inward to achieve a smaller shape is, perhaps, not damaging in a small amount, but it's not permanent for most people, and it's DEFINITELY not a good idea while you're working out. And the whole language of "training" around it, like it's something you can do to productively change your body as opposed to a brace that reshapes by force only while you're wearing it, and that can have negative side effects, is really misleading.
Thinking you can "train" your waist to be smaller by wearing a corset is like thinking you can train yourself to be taller and leggier by wearing high heels. It works- while you're wearing the device. It stops when you take it off. Unless you wear it so long you cause permanent deformation of the body (which can happen with both corsets and high heels), but that's not exactly a great goal.
By gradual training, I meant getting corsets in slightly smaller sizes over a long period of time until you have the corseted waist size you want.
Right- that's what I'm saying.
No matter how "gradually" you go, either a. you're not making actual physical changes with that gradual transition, you're just training yourself to tolerate wearing tighter corsets (and it has no effect outside the period when the corset is actually in place, you're just becoming more tolerant of the discomfort) or b. you *are* making physical changes (muscle wasting, bone and organ displacement) that shrink the waist but are damaging and tend to necessitate the wearing of the corset both to maintain the changes and to support the now diminished musculature.
Sure, you're probably causing *more* damage if you try to tightlace in to a tiny corset quickly than working your way up to it, but going gradually is just as either ineffectual as "waist training" (if you don't achieve physical reshaping- you're just teaching yourself to wear more dramatic shapewear for short periods) or effective but physically damaging (if you do achieve physical reshaping). It's just slower damage to which you become accustomed.
You can't reposition your bones and organs and waste your muscles in a *healthy* way no matter what pace you do it at. You can do it in a way where the process is less painful and the inherent side effects start to seem normal to you, but it's still a physically damaging and destructive process.
And if it's *not* physically damaging and destructive, the only "training" that's happening is teaching yourself to stand wearing a tight garment that makes your waist look smaller while you're wearing it, and go back to its natural size when you take it off. Which is fine- I enjoy costuming and have worn corsets for particular outfits and occasions- I just can't stand that this snake oil industry has sprung up trying to convince women that this very old garment is some kind of health tool that will reshape their waist permanently instead of exactly what it is- a corset that for 99% of wearers is just going to make their waist appear smaller while they wear it, and stop having an effect as soon as they take it off. And the idea of wearing one while working out in the manner of instagram celebrities is even worse.
To be fair, tightlacing was not normal even in Victorian times. Also 19th century pictures of women wearing corsets were often retouched. And girls were wearing corsets from young ages, so they eased into it.
I never said it was normal or healthy. I even said in my last post I would never do it. I am all for wearing them for historical purposes ike re-enactments, costuming and such but those events are only for a few hours. When I am home, I don't even wear a bra, lol.0 -
Ok wow I read all the comments I missed just to clarify something it's not a corset I wear although I have one it's a go fit brand waist trimmer for exercising its actually comfortable it's not tight at ALL it only increases the heat around my middle causing more water loss it isn't for trying to loose fat just water weight in that area as I tend to bloat a lot. I'm not spot reducing as I know that's impossible I'm only doing this for the water retention concerns I had and I'm very happy with the results! No more bloat and u drink the recommended 64oz a day or more now without the bloat I reduce my sodium intake also and I rested and I feel a lot better! I appreciate everyone's comments I will weigh only when needed and make sure to rest other than that I'm doing a great job and I'll continue to keep everyone informed as you guys have given me such great advice!0
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Ok wow I read all the comments I missed just to clarify something it's not a corset I wear although I have one it's a go fit brand waist trimmer for exercising its actually comfortable it's not tight at ALL it only increases the heat around my middle causing more water loss it isn't for trying to loose fat just water weight in that area as I tend to bloat a lot. I'm not spot reducing as I know that's impossible I'm only doing this for the water retention concerns I had and I'm very happy with the results! No more bloat and u drink the recommended 64oz a day or more now without the bloat I reduce my sodium intake also and I rested and I feel a lot better! I appreciate everyone's comments I will weigh only when needed and make sure to rest other than that I'm doing a great job and I'll continue to keep everyone informed as you guys have given me such great advice!
No it doesn't work ...in fact by supporting your core you engage those muscles less and make your workouts less effective ...
For water retention drink more0 -
Ok then thanks I'll take it off for a week and see0
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