Dieters Edema

Never weigh everyday , once a week the same time eg every monday morning , before eating anything and naked is best .

I am not saying do a rest day for expelling the water retained for muscle repair. It takes upto a week for that to happen.
If you are working out hard you should have a rest day for your body to recover though.

I am saying accept the water weight it is part of the muscle repair process.

Cheers, h.

And remember - slow and steady:

http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10331008/slow-and-steady-wins-the-race

rabbitjb wrote: »

ashayoc wrote: »

middlehaitch wrote: »

The water retention is part of the muscle repair process. Accept it.
Green tea and waist trainers won't get rid of it. Stopping exercise will have you pee it all out in a couple of days.

Cheers, h.

So what your saying is do rest day? Im afraid if I do I'll get too comfortable lol

Rest days are part of a good fitness routine - particularly if including progressive resistance - nobody should work out every single day

This.

We gain strength on rest days, not workout days.

Exercise puts micro tears in muscles and on rest days those muscles heal and get stronger.

emmycantbemeeko wrote: »

Don't wear a waist trainer while working out. It'll be uncomfortable, it'll keep you from breathing deeply, mess with your form, interfere with actually strengthening your core, it can give you acid reflux and increase your risk of blood clots, and despite all that, it won't actually *do* anything helpful. You can't spot reduce. It'll just squish everything together during the time you MOST need to be able to breath deeply and have good blood flow. When you take it off, everything plops back out to where it goes naturally. You can't "train" your waist externally except through years of very extreme tightlacing corsetry that leaves you dependent on the corset to function afterward, and that carries all the same risks of wearing a waist trainer while working out, but all the time.

Actually just don't wear a waist trainer ever. It's just a corset. We realized those were a terrible idea over a century ago, that's why the scammers who sell them had to rebrand as "waist trainers" for the Kardashians to market them.

THIS. SO MUCH THIS.

I love wearing a corset for costuming, but yeah - they can end up weakening your core and cause you all sorts of problems. Not only, that but their slimming effects are very temporary (you'll bounce back to your original size within a day of taking it off). Anyone who has actually achieved a permanent smaller size has done so because they've successfully moved their bones and organs - which is not good for you.

The only time I've worn a corset for non-costuming purposes was for temporary back support after having muscle spasms. Otherwise, they should be limited to costumed events.

ManiacalLaugh wrote: »

emmycantbemeeko wrote: »

Don't wear a waist trainer while working out. It'll be uncomfortable, it'll keep you from breathing deeply, mess with your form, interfere with actually strengthening your core, it can give you acid reflux and increase your risk of blood clots, and despite all that, it won't actually *do* anything helpful. You can't spot reduce. It'll just squish everything together during the time you MOST need to be able to breath deeply and have good blood flow. When you take it off, everything plops back out to where it goes naturally. You can't "train" your waist externally except through years of very extreme tightlacing corsetry that leaves you dependent on the corset to function afterward, and that carries all the same risks of wearing a waist trainer while working out, but all the time.

Actually just don't wear a waist trainer ever. It's just a corset. We realized those were a terrible idea over a century ago, that's why the scammers who sell them had to rebrand as "waist trainers" for the Kardashians to market them.

THIS. SO MUCH THIS.

I love wearing a corset for costuming, but yeah - they can end up weakening your core and cause you all sorts of problems. Not only, that but their slimming effects are very temporary (you'll bounce back to your original size within a day of taking it off). Anyone who has actually achieved a permanent smaller size has done so because they've successfully moved their bones and organs - which is not good for you.

The only time I've worn a corset for non-costuming purposes was for temporary back support after having muscle spasms. Otherwise, they should be limited to costumed events.

I agree it shouldn't be worn during a workout, but a proper corset and waist training will not harm you at all. It's when you tightlace and go overboard and don't understand how waist training works that there can be problems. Women who waist train do it very very gradually and ease into it, rather than wear a corset over a 24/7 hour period to begin with.

Colorscheme wrote: »

ManiacalLaugh wrote: »

emmycantbemeeko wrote: »

Don't wear a waist trainer while working out. It'll be uncomfortable, it'll keep you from breathing deeply, mess with your form, interfere with actually strengthening your core, it can give you acid reflux and increase your risk of blood clots, and despite all that, it won't actually *do* anything helpful. You can't spot reduce. It'll just squish everything together during the time you MOST need to be able to breath deeply and have good blood flow. When you take it off, everything plops back out to where it goes naturally. You can't "train" your waist externally except through years of very extreme tightlacing corsetry that leaves you dependent on the corset to function afterward, and that carries all the same risks of wearing a waist trainer while working out, but all the time.

Actually just don't wear a waist trainer ever. It's just a corset. We realized those were a terrible idea over a century ago, that's why the scammers who sell them had to rebrand as "waist trainers" for the Kardashians to market them.

THIS. SO MUCH THIS.

I love wearing a corset for costuming, but yeah - they can end up weakening your core and cause you all sorts of problems. Not only, that but their slimming effects are very temporary (you'll bounce back to your original size within a day of taking it off). Anyone who has actually achieved a permanent smaller size has done so because they've successfully moved their bones and organs - which is not good for you.

The only time I've worn a corset for non-costuming purposes was for temporary back support after having muscle spasms. Otherwise, they should be limited to costumed events.

I agree it shouldn't be worn during a workout, but a proper corset and waist training will not harm you at all. It's when you tightlace and go overboard and don't understand how waist training works that there can be problems. Women who waist train do it very very gradually and ease into it, rather than wear a corset over a 24/7 hour period to begin with.

There really isn't such a thing as "gradual waist training". You can train your body to gradually tolerate wearing a corset for longer periods (but your waist will still go back to what it naturally would be within a day or two of corsetlessness). You can wear a corset for short periods (but it will have no effect on your shape when you take the corset off). You can actually distort your skeleton and internal organs and cause wasting of your abdominal and back muscles to reshape your waist more permanently, but this requires extensive tightlacing for a long period that also requires the wearing of the corset for support after the "goal" is achieved, and has been understood to be damaging since, oh, the Victorian era. Squeezing your torso mass inward to achieve a smaller shape is, perhaps, not damaging in a small amount, but it's not permanent for most people, and it's DEFINITELY not a good idea while you're working out. And the whole language of "training" around it, like it's something you can do to productively change your body as opposed to a brace that reshapes by force only while you're wearing it, and that can have negative side effects, is really misleading.

Thinking you can "train" your waist to be smaller by wearing a corset is like thinking you can train yourself to be taller and leggier by wearing high heels. It works- while you're wearing the device. It stops when you take it off. Unless you wear it so long you cause permanent deformation of the body (which can happen with both corsets and high heels), but that's not exactly a great goal.

emmycantbemeeko wrote: »

Colorscheme wrote: »

ManiacalLaugh wrote: »

emmycantbemeeko wrote: »

Don't wear a waist trainer while working out. It'll be uncomfortable, it'll keep you from breathing deeply, mess with your form, interfere with actually strengthening your core, it can give you acid reflux and increase your risk of blood clots, and despite all that, it won't actually *do* anything helpful. You can't spot reduce. It'll just squish everything together during the time you MOST need to be able to breath deeply and have good blood flow. When you take it off, everything plops back out to where it goes naturally. You can't "train" your waist externally except through years of very extreme tightlacing corsetry that leaves you dependent on the corset to function afterward, and that carries all the same risks of wearing a waist trainer while working out, but all the time.

Actually just don't wear a waist trainer ever. It's just a corset. We realized those were a terrible idea over a century ago, that's why the scammers who sell them had to rebrand as "waist trainers" for the Kardashians to market them.

THIS. SO MUCH THIS.

I love wearing a corset for costuming, but yeah - they can end up weakening your core and cause you all sorts of problems. Not only, that but their slimming effects are very temporary (you'll bounce back to your original size within a day of taking it off). Anyone who has actually achieved a permanent smaller size has done so because they've successfully moved their bones and organs - which is not good for you.

The only time I've worn a corset for non-costuming purposes was for temporary back support after having muscle spasms. Otherwise, they should be limited to costumed events.

I agree it shouldn't be worn during a workout, but a proper corset and waist training will not harm you at all. It's when you tightlace and go overboard and don't understand how waist training works that there can be problems. Women who waist train do it very very gradually and ease into it, rather than wear a corset over a 24/7 hour period to begin with.

There really isn't such a thing as "gradual waist training". You can train your body to gradually tolerate wearing a corset for longer periods (but your waist will still go back to what it naturally would be within a day or two of corsetlessness). You can wear a corset for short periods (but it will have no effect on your shape when you take the corset off). You can actually distort your skeleton and internal organs and cause wasting of your abdominal and back muscles to reshape your waist more permanently, but this requires extensive tightlacing for a long period that also requires the wearing of the corset for support after the "goal" is achieved, and has been understood to be damaging since, oh, the Victorian era. Squeezing your torso mass inward to achieve a smaller shape is, perhaps, not damaging in a small amount, but it's not permanent for most people, and it's DEFINITELY not a good idea while you're working out. And the whole language of "training" around it, like it's something you can do to productively change your body as opposed to a brace that reshapes by force only while you're wearing it, and that can have negative side effects, is really misleading.

Thinking you can "train" your waist to be smaller by wearing a corset is like thinking you can train yourself to be taller and leggier by wearing high heels. It works- while you're wearing the device. It stops when you take it off. Unless you wear it so long you cause permanent deformation of the body (which can happen with both corsets and high heels), but that's not exactly a great goal.

By gradual training, I meant getting corsets in slightly smaller sizes over a long period of time until you have the corseted waist size you want.

Colorscheme wrote: »

emmycantbemeeko wrote: »

Colorscheme wrote: »

ManiacalLaugh wrote: »

emmycantbemeeko wrote: »

Don't wear a waist trainer while working out. It'll be uncomfortable, it'll keep you from breathing deeply, mess with your form, interfere with actually strengthening your core, it can give you acid reflux and increase your risk of blood clots, and despite all that, it won't actually *do* anything helpful. You can't spot reduce. It'll just squish everything together during the time you MOST need to be able to breath deeply and have good blood flow. When you take it off, everything plops back out to where it goes naturally. You can't "train" your waist externally except through years of very extreme tightlacing corsetry that leaves you dependent on the corset to function afterward, and that carries all the same risks of wearing a waist trainer while working out, but all the time.

Actually just don't wear a waist trainer ever. It's just a corset. We realized those were a terrible idea over a century ago, that's why the scammers who sell them had to rebrand as "waist trainers" for the Kardashians to market them.

THIS. SO MUCH THIS.

I love wearing a corset for costuming, but yeah - they can end up weakening your core and cause you all sorts of problems. Not only, that but their slimming effects are very temporary (you'll bounce back to your original size within a day of taking it off). Anyone who has actually achieved a permanent smaller size has done so because they've successfully moved their bones and organs - which is not good for you.

The only time I've worn a corset for non-costuming purposes was for temporary back support after having muscle spasms. Otherwise, they should be limited to costumed events.

I agree it shouldn't be worn during a workout, but a proper corset and waist training will not harm you at all. It's when you tightlace and go overboard and don't understand how waist training works that there can be problems. Women who waist train do it very very gradually and ease into it, rather than wear a corset over a 24/7 hour period to begin with.

There really isn't such a thing as "gradual waist training". You can train your body to gradually tolerate wearing a corset for longer periods (but your waist will still go back to what it naturally would be within a day or two of corsetlessness). You can wear a corset for short periods (but it will have no effect on your shape when you take the corset off). You can actually distort your skeleton and internal organs and cause wasting of your abdominal and back muscles to reshape your waist more permanently, but this requires extensive tightlacing for a long period that also requires the wearing of the corset for support after the "goal" is achieved, and has been understood to be damaging since, oh, the Victorian era. Squeezing your torso mass inward to achieve a smaller shape is, perhaps, not damaging in a small amount, but it's not permanent for most people, and it's DEFINITELY not a good idea while you're working out. And the whole language of "training" around it, like it's something you can do to productively change your body as opposed to a brace that reshapes by force only while you're wearing it, and that can have negative side effects, is really misleading.

Thinking you can "train" your waist to be smaller by wearing a corset is like thinking you can train yourself to be taller and leggier by wearing high heels. It works- while you're wearing the device. It stops when you take it off. Unless you wear it so long you cause permanent deformation of the body (which can happen with both corsets and high heels), but that's not exactly a great goal.

By gradual training, I meant getting corsets in slightly smaller sizes over a long period of time until you have the corseted waist size you want.

Right- that's what I'm saying.

No matter how "gradually" you go, either a. you're not making actual physical changes with that gradual transition, you're just training yourself to tolerate wearing tighter corsets (and it has no effect outside the period when the corset is actually in place, you're just becoming more tolerant of the discomfort) or b. you *are* making physical changes (muscle wasting, bone and organ displacement) that shrink the waist but are damaging and tend to necessitate the wearing of the corset both to maintain the changes and to support the now diminished musculature.

Sure, you're probably causing *more* damage if you try to tightlace in to a tiny corset quickly than working your way up to it, but going gradually is just as either ineffectual as "waist training" (if you don't achieve physical reshaping- you're just teaching yourself to wear more dramatic shapewear for short periods) or effective but physically damaging (if you do achieve physical reshaping). It's just slower damage to which you become accustomed.

You can't reposition your bones and organs and waste your muscles in a *healthy* way no matter what pace you do it at. You can do it in a way where the process is less painful and the inherent side effects start to seem normal to you, but it's still a physically damaging and destructive process.

And if it's *not* physically damaging and destructive, the only "training" that's happening is teaching yourself to stand wearing a tight garment that makes your waist look smaller while you're wearing it, and go back to its natural size when you take it off. Which is fine- I enjoy costuming and have worn corsets for particular outfits and occasions- I just can't stand that this snake oil industry has sprung up trying to convince women that this very old garment is some kind of health tool that will reshape their waist permanently instead of exactly what it is- a corset that for 99% of wearers is just going to make their waist appear smaller while they wear it, and stop having an effect as soon as they take it off. And the idea of wearing one while working out in the manner of instagram celebrities is even worse.