Right calories vs less calories

lisawinning4losing

The only thing Jonathan Bailor is selling is a book, which is based on a review of 1,300 different scientific studies. It's been endorsed by doctors from John Hopkins, Harvard, Yale, UCLA, etc. He comes from his own experience as a personal trainer, seeing how the old traditional advice is failing people. And it's not like he doesn't understand science or logic, seeing as he's also a senior program engineer with 25 patents.

I never believed in hokey diet products or things sold on infomercials, nor have I ever tried such products. I'm now beginning to question the increasingly hokey sounding "calories in, calories out" myth that studies have shown has a 95 percent failure rate. For most people who try to use it, it's called yo yo dieting. You might as well just call it the Yo Yo Diet, because that's what it is. As soon as you stop counting calories, you start gaining weight back. And who is honestly going to count calories every day for the rest of their life, and is that even the healthiest way? 50 years ago nobody even knew what a calorie was, and yet obesity was very rare.

The whole "calories in, calories out" philosophy is actually a boon for manufacturers who can now sell you anything based on how many calories are in it.

I stopped listening as soon as I read the word "woo". It's a very closed minded, condescending word that adds nothing to the conversation, and it literally has no definition. There is nothing "woo" about the idea of eating healthy food and avoiding junk food. That should be common sense. The sad part is that someone actually had to write a whole book to explain that.

These videos just keep getting better and better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3XKdU17APY

MeanderingMammal

lisawinning4losing wrote: »

...increasingly hokey sounding "calories in, calories out" myth ...

So do you have an issue with the principle of conservation of energy, or with the psychology of sustainable lifestyle change?

If someone has discovered a way to create energy from the ether and that can be applied to other areas than weight management then they'd make a serious amount of money...

eric_sg61

Lol Jonathan bailor was literally destroyed a few years ago by Alan Aragon and Dr Layne Norton and the rest of the nutrition science community.

senecarr

lisawinning4losing wrote: »

The only thing Jonathan Bailor is selling is a book, which is based on a review of 1,300 different scientific studies. It's been endorsed by doctors from John Hopkins, Harvard, Yale, UCLA, etc. He comes from his own experience as a personal trainer, seeing how the old traditional advice is failing people. And it's not like he doesn't understand science or logic, seeing as he's also a senior program engineer with 25 patents.

I never believed in hokey diet products or things sold on infomercials, nor have I ever tried such products. I'm now beginning to question the increasingly hokey sounding "calories in, calories out" myth that studies have shown has a 95 percent failure rate. For most people who try to use it, it's called yo yo dieting. You might as well just call it the Yo Yo Diet, because that's what it is. As soon as you stop counting calories, you start gaining weight back. And who is honestly going to count calories every day for the rest of their life, and is that even the healthiest way? 50 years ago nobody even knew what a calorie was, and yet obesity was very rare.

The whole "calories in, calories out" philosophy is actually a boon for manufacturers who can now sell you anything based on how many calories are in it.

I stopped listening as soon as I read the word "woo". It's a very closed minded, condescending word that adds nothing to the conversation, and it literally has no definition. There is nothing "woo" about the idea of eating healthy food and avoiding junk food. That should be common sense. The sad part is that someone actually had to write a whole book to explain that.

These videos just keep getting better and better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3XKdU17APY

You know what patents mean as credentials? That you had enough money to file a patent application.
What study has shown a particular diet method has a 95% failure rate? I've seen 90% of dieters in general fail repeated over and over - it is also based on a complete hoodwink. It comes from the first study to check if diets work - done in the 1950s where they used the cutting edge intervention of giving overweight people a pamphlet with some suggestions, and then checked back in a year who weighed less.

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GaleHawkins

lisawinning4losing wrote: »

The only thing Jonathan Bailor is selling is a book, which is based on a review of 1,300 different scientific studies. It's been endorsed by doctors from John Hopkins, Harvard, Yale, UCLA, etc. He comes from his own experience as a personal trainer, seeing how the old traditional advice is failing people. And it's not like he doesn't understand science or logic, seeing as he's also a senior program engineer with 25 patents.

I never believed in hokey diet products or things sold on infomercials, nor have I ever tried such products. I'm now beginning to question the increasingly hokey sounding "calories in, calories out" myth that studies have shown has a 95 percent failure rate. For most people who try to use it, it's called yo yo dieting. You might as well just call it the Yo Yo Diet, because that's what it is. As soon as you stop counting calories, you start gaining weight back. And who is honestly going to count calories every day for the rest of their life, and is that even the healthiest way? 50 years ago nobody even knew what a calorie was, and yet obesity was very rare.

The whole "calories in, calories out" philosophy is actually a boon for manufacturers who can now sell you anything based on how many calories are in it.

I stopped listening as soon as I read the word "woo". It's a very closed minded, condescending word that adds nothing to the conversation, and it literally has no definition. There is nothing "woo" about the idea of eating healthy food and avoiding junk food. That should be common sense. The sad part is that someone actually had to write a whole book to explain that.

These videos just keep getting better and better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3XKdU17APY

https://grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/thermo1.html

@lisawinning4losing CICO as used to talk about weight has nothing to do with they First Law of Thermodynamics as you can read. CICO is not a myth because calories do count because without them we will die.

CICO is a valid concept in the lab but CICO as discussed typically involving discussions about weight management is not based on science or logic but is more like a discussion about religion or politics. I am sure you have picked up on the similarities between diet and religion discussions already. They are really one and the same when you think about it because both are based on beliefs and not science and logic. The human body is an adapting organism meaning as soon as we cut CI and increase CO we do not know the changes what happens or at least in a way that we can measure.

When a discussion about weight starts to be supported by beliefs and not science it is time to withdrawal from the discussion perhaps. To say CICO is based on the First Law of Thermodynamics just is not based on science and logic.

senecarr

GaleHawkins wrote: »

lisawinning4losing wrote: »

The only thing Jonathan Bailor is selling is a book, which is based on a review of 1,300 different scientific studies. It's been endorsed by doctors from John Hopkins, Harvard, Yale, UCLA, etc. He comes from his own experience as a personal trainer, seeing how the old traditional advice is failing people. And it's not like he doesn't understand science or logic, seeing as he's also a senior program engineer with 25 patents.

I never believed in hokey diet products or things sold on infomercials, nor have I ever tried such products. I'm now beginning to question the increasingly hokey sounding "calories in, calories out" myth that studies have shown has a 95 percent failure rate. For most people who try to use it, it's called yo yo dieting. You might as well just call it the Yo Yo Diet, because that's what it is. As soon as you stop counting calories, you start gaining weight back. And who is honestly going to count calories every day for the rest of their life, and is that even the healthiest way? 50 years ago nobody even knew what a calorie was, and yet obesity was very rare.

The whole "calories in, calories out" philosophy is actually a boon for manufacturers who can now sell you anything based on how many calories are in it.

I stopped listening as soon as I read the word "woo". It's a very closed minded, condescending word that adds nothing to the conversation, and it literally has no definition. There is nothing "woo" about the idea of eating healthy food and avoiding junk food. That should be common sense. The sad part is that someone actually had to write a whole book to explain that.

These videos just keep getting better and better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3XKdU17APY

https://grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/thermo1.html

@lisawinning4losing CICO as used to talk about weight has nothing to do with they First Law of Thermodynamics as you can read. CICO is not a myth because calories do count because without them we will die.

CICO is a valid concept in the lab but CICO as discussed typically involving discussions about weight management is not based on science or logic but is more like a discussion about religion or politics. I am sure you have picked up on the similarities between diet and religion discussions already. They are really one and the same when you think about it because both are based on beliefs and not science and logic. The human body is an adapting organism meaning as soon as we cut CI and increase CO we do not know the changes what happens or at least in a way that we can measure.

When a discussion about weight starts to be supported by beliefs and not science it is time to withdrawal from the discussion perhaps. To say CICO is based on the First Law of Thermodynamics just is not based on science and logic.

LOL, CICO, the religion. I'll avoid all the typical new era atheist jokes about when science gets compared to religion.
If you say CICO isn't thermodynamics, you don't understand what a calorie is or what the laws of thermodynamics are, or where they apply.

MelodyandBarbells

lisawinning4losing wrote: »

The only thing Jonathan Bailor is selling is a book, [...]

A free ebook with no profit to be made, perhaps?

ClosetBayesian

lisawinning4losing wrote: »

The only thing Jonathan Bailor is selling is a book, which is based on a review of 1,300 different scientific studies. It's been endorsed by doctors from John Hopkins, Harvard, Yale, UCLA, etc. He comes from his own experience as a personal trainer, seeing how the old traditional advice is failing people. And it's not like he doesn't understand science or logic, seeing as he's also a senior program engineer with 25 patents.

I never believed in hokey diet products or things sold on infomercials, nor have I ever tried such products. I'm now beginning to question the increasingly hokey sounding "calories in, calories out" myth that studies have shown has a 95 percent failure rate. For most people who try to use it, it's called yo yo dieting. You might as well just call it the Yo Yo Diet, because that's what it is. As soon as you stop counting calories, you start gaining weight back. And who is honestly going to count calories every day for the rest of their life, and is that even the healthiest way? 50 years ago nobody even knew what a calorie was, and yet obesity was very rare.

The whole "calories in, calories out" philosophy is actually a boon for manufacturers who can now sell you anything based on how many calories are in it.

I stopped listening as soon as I read the word "woo". It's a very closed minded, condescending word that adds nothing to the conversation, and it literally has no definition. There is nothing "woo" about the idea of eating healthy food and avoiding junk food. That should be common sense. The sad part is that someone actually had to write a whole book to explain that.

These videos just keep getting better and better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3XKdU17APY

You still don't understand the difference between counting calories and CICO, do you?

lemurcat12

I don't expect lisa to actually read this, let alone address it, even though she is posting in the debate section. However, this is a good discussion of some of the major flaws in Bailor's marketing scam:

http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2014/07/the-problem-with-calorie-myth-smarter.html#more

Among other things, as noted above, much as he tries to create confusion for the purpose of selling a book to people who want to believe there's some magic dieting that trumps the need to not overconsume calories (for one's size and activity level), it's pretty clear even he admits that calories are what count:

The message is clear, calorie math is a myth according to Bailor. James Fell interviewed both Bailor and Alan Aragon over the Quest video issue:

"I spoke with Jonathan Bailor, and he repeated numerous times that calories DO count and that you can’t lose weight unless you’re in a caloric deficit. I asked him if you could lose weight eating nothing but chocolate cake if you’re in a caloric deficit, and he said yes, you can."

eric_sg61

lemurcat12 wrote: »

I don't expect lisa to actually read this, let alone address it, even though she is posting in the debate section. However, this is a good discussion of some of the major flaws in Bailor's marketing scam:

http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2014/07/the-problem-with-calorie-myth-smarter.html#more

Among other things, as noted above, much as he tries to create confusion for the purpose of selling a book to people who want to believe there's some magic dieting that trumps the need to not overconsume calories (for one's size and activity level), it's pretty clear even he admits that calories are what count:

The message is clear, calorie math is a myth according to Bailor. James Fell interviewed both Bailor and Alan Aragon over the Quest video issue:

"I spoke with Jonathan Bailor, and he repeated numerous times that calories DO count and that you can’t lose weight unless you’re in a caloric deficit. I asked him if you could lose weight eating nothing but chocolate cake if you’re in a caloric deficit, and he said yes, you can."

LOL owned!

stevencloser

lisawinning4losing wrote: »

The only thing Jonathan Bailor is selling is a book, which is based on a review of 1,300 different scientific studies. It's been endorsed by doctors from John Hopkins, Harvard, Yale, UCLA, etc. He comes from his own experience as a personal trainer, seeing how the old traditional advice is failing people. And it's not like he doesn't understand science or logic, seeing as he's also a senior program engineer with 25 patents.

I never believed in hokey diet products or things sold on infomercials, nor have I ever tried such products. I'm now beginning to question the increasingly hokey sounding "calories in, calories out" myth that studies have shown has a 95 percent failure rate. For most people who try to use it, it's called yo yo dieting. You might as well just call it the Yo Yo Diet, because that's what it is. As soon as you stop counting calories, you start gaining weight back. And who is honestly going to count calories every day for the rest of their life, and is that even the healthiest way? 50 years ago nobody even knew what a calorie was, and yet obesity was very rare.

The whole "calories in, calories out" philosophy is actually a boon for manufacturers who can now sell you anything based on how many calories are in it.

I stopped listening as soon as I read the word "woo". It's a very closed minded, condescending word that adds nothing to the conversation, and it literally has no definition. There is nothing "woo" about the idea of eating healthy food and avoiding junk food. That should be common sense. The sad part is that someone actually had to write a whole book to explain that.

These videos just keep getting better and better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3XKdU17APY

A shame, really.

stealthq

tomteboda wrote: »

MeanderingMammal wrote: »

DancingDarl wrote: »

...and boost your capacity for academic learning.

The right calories in this context presumably meaning pizza, caffeine and chinese takeaway...

Don't forget ramen noodles and a LOT of beer. Does anyone survive grad school without these staples?

*tentatively raises hand*

Don't like ramen or beer.

Pizza, caffeine, Chinese, hell yeah. Plus all the cookies and bagels admin brought in to encourage attendance at journal club, etc.

tomteboda

stealthq wrote: »

tomteboda wrote: »

MeanderingMammal wrote: »

DancingDarl wrote: »

...and boost your capacity for academic learning.

The right calories in this context presumably meaning pizza, caffeine and chinese takeaway...

Don't forget ramen noodles and a LOT of beer. Does anyone survive grad school without these staples?

*tentatively raises hand*

Don't like ramen or beer.

Pizza, caffeine, Chinese, hell yeah. Plus all the cookies and bagels admin brought in to encourage attendance at journal club, etc.

I don't like beer either but it's a standard at the after - work / convention meetups where all the great collaborative ideas go down.

Free food is always a good motivator for grad students.