Best tip for hardgainers?

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  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    edited February 2016
    bruhaha007 wrote: »
    usmcmp wrote: »
    Having seen some of your other threads I'm going to say that you need to set a goal and stick to it. You either need to bulk or you need to cut. Either way you have to find a solid progressive lifting routine to follow. You also need to drop the cleanses because you could damage to your digestive flora and your electrolyte balance.

    If you want to bulk do it. Lift and eat. Don't beat yourself up for the cheat meals, don't cleanse after cheat meals. Eat, lift, gain.

    Great tips @usmcmp I do agree I need to focus on either bulking or shredding and not attempt both at the same time. Makes complete sense! However, I doubt we would ever truly come to an agreement on the value of fasting/cleansing as a technique to safely lose weight which is something I have researched in considerable detail. Please know I respect your opinion and thank you for suggesting I pick a path as I have been trying to decide this week whether I want to wait until next winter to bulk and shred going into the summer. I am leaning towards shredding for the next 16 weeks.

    I'm curious as to what you'd research is. Have you actually done look at the research of just read random Internet sites and pop books? I'm guessing it's the latter because there is no credible evidence for cleanses but fasting can be a useful tool for weight loss if done properly but there is no need to detoxify unless you have kidney issues and that's a lot medical issue you would need serious help for.

    Please listen to people like USMCMP because she knows her stuff.
  • codsterlaing95
    codsterlaing95 Posts: 221 Member
    bruhaha007 wrote: »
    usmcmp wrote: »
    Having seen some of your other threads I'm going to say that you need to set a goal and stick to it. You either need to bulk or you need to cut. Either way you have to find a solid progressive lifting routine to follow. You also need to drop the cleanses because you could damage to your digestive flora and your electrolyte balance.

    If you want to bulk do it. Lift and eat. Don't beat yourself up for the cheat meals, don't cleanse after cheat meals. Eat, lift, gain.

    Great tips @usmcmp I do agree I need to focus on either bulking or shredding and not attempt both at the same time. Makes complete sense! However, I doubt we would ever truly come to an agreement on the value of fasting/cleansing as a technique to safely lose weight which is something I have researched in considerable detail. Please know I respect your opinion and thank you for suggesting I pick a path as I have been trying to decide this week whether I want to wait until next winter to bulk and shred going into the summer. I am leaning towards shredding for the next 16 weeks.



    Would you mind linking the websites? I think you should bite your ego and just listen to the good advice Usmcmp is handing you...

  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,431 MFP Moderator
    edited February 2016
    codsterlaing95 wrote: »
    bruhaha007 wrote: »
    usmcmp wrote: »
    Having seen some of your other threads I'm going to say that you need to set a goal and stick to it. You either need to bulk or you need to cut. Either way you have to find a solid progressive lifting routine to follow. You also need to drop the cleanses because you could damage to your digestive flora and your electrolyte balance.

    If you want to bulk do it. Lift and eat. Don't beat yourself up for the cheat meals, don't cleanse after cheat meals. Eat, lift, gain.

    Great tips @usmcmp I do agree I need to focus on either bulking or shredding and not attempt both at the same time. Makes complete sense! However, I doubt we would ever truly come to an agreement on the value of fasting/cleansing as a technique to safely lose weight which is something I have researched in considerable detail. Please know I respect your opinion and thank you for suggesting I pick a path as I have been trying to decide this week whether I want to wait until next winter to bulk and shred going into the summer. I am leaning towards shredding for the next 16 weeks.



    Would you mind linking the websites? I think you should bite your ego and just listen to the good advice Usmcmp is handing you...

    These guys are definitely right. Cleanses and detoxes are just industry gimmicks.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1159755/looking-for-a-detox-cleanse/p1
  • arditarose
    arditarose Posts: 15,573 Member
    bruhaha007 wrote: »
    usmcmp wrote: »
    Having seen some of your other threads I'm going to say that you need to set a goal and stick to it. You either need to bulk or you need to cut. Either way you have to find a solid progressive lifting routine to follow. You also need to drop the cleanses because you could damage to your digestive flora and your electrolyte balance.

    If you want to bulk do it. Lift and eat. Don't beat yourself up for the cheat meals, don't cleanse after cheat meals. Eat, lift, gain.

    Great tips @usmcmp I do agree I need to focus on either bulking or shredding and not attempt both at the same time. Makes complete sense! However, I doubt we would ever truly come to an agreement on the value of fasting/cleansing as a technique to safely lose weight which is something I have researched in considerable detail. Please know I respect your opinion and thank you for suggesting I pick a path as I have been trying to decide this week whether I want to wait until next winter to bulk and shred going into the summer. I am leaning towards shredding for the next 16 weeks.

    Performing research and googling are two different things.
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,343 Member
    psulemon wrote: »
    codsterlaing95 wrote: »
    bruhaha007 wrote: »
    usmcmp wrote: »
    Having seen some of your other threads I'm going to say that you need to set a goal and stick to it. You either need to bulk or you need to cut. Either way you have to find a solid progressive lifting routine to follow. You also need to drop the cleanses because you could damage to your digestive flora and your electrolyte balance.

    If you want to bulk do it. Lift and eat. Don't beat yourself up for the cheat meals, don't cleanse after cheat meals. Eat, lift, gain.

    Great tips @usmcmp I do agree I need to focus on either bulking or shredding and not attempt both at the same time. Makes complete sense! However, I doubt we would ever truly come to an agreement on the value of fasting/cleansing as a technique to safely lose weight which is something I have researched in considerable detail. Please know I respect your opinion and thank you for suggesting I pick a path as I have been trying to decide this week whether I want to wait until next winter to bulk and shred going into the summer. I am leaning towards shredding for the next 16 weeks.



    Would you mind linking the websites? I think you should bite your ego and just listen to the good advice Usmcmp is handing you...

    These guys are definitely right. Cleanses and detoxes are just industry gimmicks.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1159755/looking-for-a-detox-cleanse/p1

    Also:

    https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-detox-scam-how-to-spot-it-and-how-to-avoid-it/

    http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/05/detox-myth-health-diet-science-ignorance
  • cgvet37
    cgvet37 Posts: 1,189 Member
    Remember to change up your ruotine as well. Doing the same movements over and over, will fail eventually. You have to keep your body guessing. Also, heavy lifts is not the only way to gain mass. Pumping blood into your muscles, will force your muscles to grow. So even when you are resting, contract your muscles, and keep the blood pumping. You should be sore the next day, if not, you are not working to failure. The last few reps, when the muscle burn is intense, is the time your muscles are going to respond the most.
  • arditarose
    arditarose Posts: 15,573 Member
    cgvet37 wrote: »
    Remember to change up your ruotine as well. Doing the same movements over and over, will fail eventually. You have to keep your body guessing. Also, heavy lifts is not the only way to gain mass. Pumping blood into your muscles, will force your muscles to grow. So even when you are resting, contract your muscles, and keep the blood pumping. You should be sore the next day, if not, you are not working to failure. The last few reps, when the muscle burn is intense, is the time your muscles are going to respond the most.

    Do what now?

    Currently resting in bed and contracting muscles. Man, this is all I've needed to do for gains. Been doing it wrong.
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,343 Member
    edited February 2016
    cgvet37 wrote: »
    Remember to change up your ruotine as well. Doing the same movements over and over, will fail eventually. You have to keep your body guessing. Also, heavy lifts is not the only way to gain mass. Pumping blood into your muscles, will force your muscles to grow. So even when you are resting, contract your muscles, and keep the blood pumping. You should be sore the next day, if not, you are not working to failure. The last few reps, when the muscle burn is intense, is the time your muscles are going to respond the most.

    The "muscle confusion theory" was debunked many years ago. In fact, most reputable trainers will tell you that one of the biggest mistakes people make is "program hopping". Get on a routine, stick with it and keep putting more weight on the bar and you'll grow/get stronger. Yes, you occasionally deload/backcycle and/or change routines, but not near as often as most people seem to do in the gym. You can run a good, solid routine for a year or more.

    Also, DOMS is no indicator of the effectiveness of a workout, and every movement should not be taken to failure. Doing so excessively fatigues the CNS and inhibits recovery. If you're sore after every workout, you're either not adapting or you're overtraining - neither of which is a good thing. Soreness is perfectly normal when starting out, or when changing up exercises/routines, but it's not normal to have DOMS after every workout.
  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
    cgvet37 wrote: »
    Remember to change up your ruotine as well. Doing the same movements over and over, will fail eventually. You have to keep your body guessing. Also, heavy lifts is not the only way to gain mass. Pumping blood into your muscles, will force your muscles to grow. So even when you are resting, contract your muscles, and keep the blood pumping. You should be sore the next day, if not, you are not working to failure. The last few reps, when the muscle burn is intense, is the time your muscles are going to respond the most.

    There is a lot wrong with this.
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