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  • Carlos_421Carlos_421 Posts: 4,967Member, Premium Member Posts: 4,967Member, Premium Member
    earlnabby wrote: »
    Nikion901 wrote: »
    Back in 1978 I did a 97 hour water only fast for the heck of it. I carried a gallon jug of water around in my car so that I could drink it whenever I got hungry ... but after about 48 hours I had to remind myself to drink the water.

    Have never done it again, but felt fine during it. Really kind of like on a high of some sort. Not thinking of ever doing it again.

    Which is why it is often done for religious reasons: 1) You can devote the time you would be eating to prayer and 2) you get "closer to God"

    It has more to do with self denial (demonstrating a willingness to put God above our own needs) and putting the desires of the flesh into subjection of the spirit.
  • earlnabbyearlnabby Posts: 7,519Member Member Posts: 7,519Member Member
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    earlnabby wrote: »
    Nikion901 wrote: »
    Back in 1978 I did a 97 hour water only fast for the heck of it. I carried a gallon jug of water around in my car so that I could drink it whenever I got hungry ... but after about 48 hours I had to remind myself to drink the water.

    Have never done it again, but felt fine during it. Really kind of like on a high of some sort. Not thinking of ever doing it again.

    Which is why it is often done for religious reasons: 1) You can devote the time you would be eating to prayer and 2) you get "closer to God"

    It has more to do with self denial (demonstrating a willingness to put God above our own needs) and putting the desires of the flesh into subjection of the spirit.

    That is the official reason, along with setting aside time for prayer. The reality is that the "high" you get when fasting can lead to all kinds of interesting things when combined with religious fervor.
  • Alatariel75Alatariel75 Posts: 17,806Member Member Posts: 17,806Member Member
    "water fasting" is an attempt to make "starving" socially acceptable.
  • Carlos_421Carlos_421 Posts: 4,967Member, Premium Member Posts: 4,967Member, Premium Member
    earlnabby wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    earlnabby wrote: »
    Nikion901 wrote: »
    Back in 1978 I did a 97 hour water only fast for the heck of it. I carried a gallon jug of water around in my car so that I could drink it whenever I got hungry ... but after about 48 hours I had to remind myself to drink the water.

    Have never done it again, but felt fine during it. Really kind of like on a high of some sort. Not thinking of ever doing it again.

    Which is why it is often done for religious reasons: 1) You can devote the time you would be eating to prayer and 2) you get "closer to God"

    It has more to do with self denial (demonstrating a willingness to put God above our own needs) and putting the desires of the flesh into subjection of the spirit.

    That is the official reason, along with setting aside time for prayer. The reality is that the "high" you get when fasting can lead to all kinds of interesting things when combined with religious fervor.

    What is this supposed "high" from fasting? I've never heard of it until this thread and I've certainly never experienced it. I have experienced quite the opposite of what I'd call a "high."
  • vingoglyvingogly Posts: 1,784Member Member Posts: 1,784Member Member
    earlnabby wrote: »
    That is the official reason, along with setting aside time for prayer. The reality is that the "high" you get when fasting can lead to all kinds of interesting things when combined with religious fervor.

    If you're not the member of a religion that uses fasting as a discipline, what makes you an expert on the motive of its practitioners? I'm Eastern Orthodox and we fast because it helps us discipline ourselves to manage our desires. If you can manage your desire for food, you can manage your desire for other things. Most people I've known who have fasted have struggled with it as a discipline (we essentially eat vegan more than half the year), but your claim about a "high" being the "real" motive is complete nonsense.
    edited February 2016
  • Carlos_421Carlos_421 Posts: 4,967Member, Premium Member Posts: 4,967Member, Premium Member
    vingogly wrote: »
    earlnabby wrote: »
    That is the official reason, along with setting aside time for prayer. The reality is that the "high" you get when fasting can lead to all kinds of interesting things when combined with religious fervor.

    If you're not the member of a religion that uses fasting as a discipline, what makes you an expert on the motive of its practitioners? I'm Eastern Orthodox and we fast because it helps us discipline ourselves to manage our desires. If you can manage your desire for food, you can manage your desire for other things. Most people I've known who have fasted have struggled with it as a discipline (we essentially eat vegan more than half the year), but your claim about a "high" being the "real" motive is complete nonsense.

    Exactly. If I can control my desire for food, I can overcome the temptation to turn away from someone in need, etc.
  • Need2Exerc1seNeed2Exerc1se Posts: 13,589Member Member Posts: 13,589Member Member
    earlnabby wrote: »
    Just look online
    CDC.gov
    One of the two I am familiar with is mercury and arsenic,but there are so many more that we are exposed to on constant basis(think about what contaminants do to your hormonal health and fertility. Obesity is just the tip of the iceberg. Our water is a big contaminant. I am not 100%sure but it does feel like fasting gives the body a rest so it can get its strength immunity to these toxins back up. I could be wrong but I do it not for long just day or 2 and I have noticed some energy changes
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    I believe in detoxing. Your probably right on track-I have only been able to do 1 25 hour stretch and I drink Fiji artesian-where I live water is *kitten* they put toxic chlorine in it and there are toxic chemicals present. Good luck add me I might join you if you do 5 days

    Fabulous @DancingDarl I've been waiting for someone who believes in this to come along and explain the following

    What exactly you are detoxing from your body? Can you name the most troublesome toxins and their effects on the body?

    What is the method by which these said toxins are removed from the body?

    You cannot detox those from your body. Your liver and kidneys are very efficient at removing small amounts. If you have unsafe levels, they need to be chelated. Chelating is the process of introducing an organic compound directly to the bloodstream (EDTA is a common one for lead and other heavy metals, others are used for mercury) which binds to the metals and removes them. It is done in a hospital and only for unsafe build-up. Your body does very well on its own for normal exposure.

    AWWW! You beat me to it earlnabby! :) Also, a water detox is a bad idea because too much water causes things like hyponatremia (low sodium) which is deadly, not to mention throwing off the delicate balance of other electrolytes like potassium (which the heart uses to conduct muscle contractility), and magnesium (which the body uses for protein synthesis, among other processes).

    So . . . just . . . NO!

    Why would you assume that someone doing a water detox/fast would intake too much water?
  • Alyssa_Is_LosingItAlyssa_Is_LosingIt Posts: 4,684Member Member Posts: 4,684Member Member
    queenliz99 wrote: »
    I believe in detoxing. Your probably right on track-I have only been able to do 1 25 hour stretch and I drink Fiji artesian-where I live water is *kitten* they put toxic chlorine in it and there are toxic chemicals present. Good luck add me I might join you if you do 5 days

    Adding chlorine to the drinking water makes it safe to drink.

    Yes, this. @DancingDarl There are people in this world who do not have access to safe water who would love to have some of your "toxic" chlorinated water. I know, personally, that if I had to choose between giardia and chlorine, I'd take the chlorine every day.

    Your Fiji water is a luxury item (and is all pure marketing - there is nothing really "luxurious" about Fiji water, just a pretty bottle and a hefty price tag, but I digress) that most in this world can not afford.
  • Alyssa_Is_LosingItAlyssa_Is_LosingIt Posts: 4,684Member Member Posts: 4,684Member Member
    earlnabby wrote: »
    Just look online
    CDC.gov
    One of the two I am familiar with is mercury and arsenic,but there are so many more that we are exposed to on constant basis(think about what contaminants do to your hormonal health and fertility. Obesity is just the tip of the iceberg. Our water is a big contaminant. I am not 100%sure but it does feel like fasting gives the body a rest so it can get its strength immunity to these toxins back up. I could be wrong but I do it not for long just day or 2 and I have noticed some energy changes
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    I believe in detoxing. Your probably right on track-I have only been able to do 1 25 hour stretch and I drink Fiji artesian-where I live water is *kitten* they put toxic chlorine in it and there are toxic chemicals present. Good luck add me I might join you if you do 5 days

    Fabulous @DancingDarl I've been waiting for someone who believes in this to come along and explain the following

    What exactly you are detoxing from your body? Can you name the most troublesome toxins and their effects on the body?

    What is the method by which these said toxins are removed from the body?

    You cannot detox those from your body. Your liver and kidneys are very efficient at removing small amounts. If you have unsafe levels, they need to be chelated. Chelating is the process of introducing an organic compound directly to the bloodstream (EDTA is a common one for lead and other heavy metals, others are used for mercury) which binds to the metals and removes them. It is done in a hospital and only for unsafe build-up. Your body does very well on its own for normal exposure.

    AWWW! You beat me to it earlnabby! :) Also, a water detox is a bad idea because too much water causes things like hyponatremia (low sodium) which is deadly, not to mention throwing off the delicate balance of other electrolytes like potassium (which the heart uses to conduct muscle contractility), and magnesium (which the body uses for protein synthesis, among other processes).

    So . . . just . . . NO!

    Why would you assume that someone doing a water detox/fast would intake too much water?

    I'd imagine some would drink more water to feel more "full" and would not be taking in any sodium during this fast. I can see how it could happen.
  • Need2Exerc1seNeed2Exerc1se Posts: 13,589Member Member Posts: 13,589Member Member
    earlnabby wrote: »
    Just look online
    CDC.gov
    One of the two I am familiar with is mercury and arsenic,but there are so many more that we are exposed to on constant basis(think about what contaminants do to your hormonal health and fertility. Obesity is just the tip of the iceberg. Our water is a big contaminant. I am not 100%sure but it does feel like fasting gives the body a rest so it can get its strength immunity to these toxins back up. I could be wrong but I do it not for long just day or 2 and I have noticed some energy changes
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    I believe in detoxing. Your probably right on track-I have only been able to do 1 25 hour stretch and I drink Fiji artesian-where I live water is *kitten* they put toxic chlorine in it and there are toxic chemicals present. Good luck add me I might join you if you do 5 days

    Fabulous @DancingDarl I've been waiting for someone who believes in this to come along and explain the following

    What exactly you are detoxing from your body? Can you name the most troublesome toxins and their effects on the body?

    What is the method by which these said toxins are removed from the body?

    You cannot detox those from your body. Your liver and kidneys are very efficient at removing small amounts. If you have unsafe levels, they need to be chelated. Chelating is the process of introducing an organic compound directly to the bloodstream (EDTA is a common one for lead and other heavy metals, others are used for mercury) which binds to the metals and removes them. It is done in a hospital and only for unsafe build-up. Your body does very well on its own for normal exposure.

    AWWW! You beat me to it earlnabby! :) Also, a water detox is a bad idea because too much water causes things like hyponatremia (low sodium) which is deadly, not to mention throwing off the delicate balance of other electrolytes like potassium (which the heart uses to conduct muscle contractility), and magnesium (which the body uses for protein synthesis, among other processes).

    So . . . just . . . NO!

    Why would you assume that someone doing a water detox/fast would intake too much water?

    I'd imagine some would drink more water to feel more "full" and would not be taking in any sodium during this fast. I can see how it could happen.

    Well sure it could, or it could not. I'd be curious to see what the statistics on cases of hyponatremia are on fasting vs. non-fasting.
  • earlnabbyearlnabby Posts: 7,519Member Member Posts: 7,519Member Member
    vingogly wrote: »
    earlnabby wrote: »
    That is the official reason, along with setting aside time for prayer. The reality is that the "high" you get when fasting can lead to all kinds of interesting things when combined with religious fervor.

    If you're not the member of a religion that uses fasting as a discipline, what makes you an expert on the motive of its practitioners? I'm Eastern Orthodox and we fast because it helps us discipline ourselves to manage our desires. If you can manage your desire for food, you can manage your desire for other things. Most people I've known who have fasted have struggled with it as a discipline (we essentially eat vegan more than half the year), but your claim about a "high" being the "real" motive is complete nonsense.

    I am a former Fundamentalist and, yes, I have fasted (up to 4 days) as encouraged by my church and yes, I have experienced a feeling of "religious euphoria" (aka a high) when doing it, which have included hearing "Gods" voice out loud. The Bible passages used to encourage it (it has been 20 years since I left the church so I would need to look them up) and the preaching from the pulpit explained that it was done for the exact reasons I mentioned: don't eat so you have more time to spend with God and can get closer to him.

    I guess there are more reasons than those two, depending on the religion being practiced, but having a personal experience with whatever deity you believe in is the most common one, which cuts across all religions.
  • earlnabbyearlnabby Posts: 7,519Member Member Posts: 7,519Member Member
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    earlnabby wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    earlnabby wrote: »
    Nikion901 wrote: »
    Back in 1978 I did a 97 hour water only fast for the heck of it. I carried a gallon jug of water around in my car so that I could drink it whenever I got hungry ... but after about 48 hours I had to remind myself to drink the water.

    Have never done it again, but felt fine during it. Really kind of like on a high of some sort. Not thinking of ever doing it again.

    Which is why it is often done for religious reasons: 1) You can devote the time you would be eating to prayer and 2) you get "closer to God"

    It has more to do with self denial (demonstrating a willingness to put God above our own needs) and putting the desires of the flesh into subjection of the spirit.

    That is the official reason, along with setting aside time for prayer. The reality is that the "high" you get when fasting can lead to all kinds of interesting things when combined with religious fervor.

    What is this supposed "high" from fasting? I've never heard of it until this thread and I've certainly never experienced it. I have experienced quite the opposite of what I'd call a "high."

    You start hallucinating, both auditory and visual. Read some of the biographies of the "saints" and you will see all kinds of crazy things they cam up with while fasting. The best one is the life of Hildegard von Bingen, who would fast for as much as 40 days and wrote all kinds of stuff while in her fasted, euphoric state.
    edited February 2016
  • Carlos_421Carlos_421 Posts: 4,967Member, Premium Member Posts: 4,967Member, Premium Member
    earlnabby wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    earlnabby wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    earlnabby wrote: »
    Nikion901 wrote: »
    Back in 1978 I did a 97 hour water only fast for the heck of it. I carried a gallon jug of water around in my car so that I could drink it whenever I got hungry ... but after about 48 hours I had to remind myself to drink the water.

    Have never done it again, but felt fine during it. Really kind of like on a high of some sort. Not thinking of ever doing it again.

    Which is why it is often done for religious reasons: 1) You can devote the time you would be eating to prayer and 2) you get "closer to God"

    It has more to do with self denial (demonstrating a willingness to put God above our own needs) and putting the desires of the flesh into subjection of the spirit.

    That is the official reason, along with setting aside time for prayer. The reality is that the "high" you get when fasting can lead to all kinds of interesting things when combined with religious fervor.

    What is this supposed "high" from fasting? I've never heard of it until this thread and I've certainly never experienced it. I have experienced quite the opposite of what I'd call a "high."

    You start hallucinating, both auditory and visual.

    LOL!!! In 3 days??????

    No, no you don't.
  • Carlos_421Carlos_421 Posts: 4,967Member, Premium Member Posts: 4,967Member, Premium Member
    earlnabby wrote: »
    Just look online
    CDC.gov
    One of the two I am familiar with is mercury and arsenic,but there are so many more that we are exposed to on constant basis(think about what contaminants do to your hormonal health and fertility. Obesity is just the tip of the iceberg. Our water is a big contaminant. I am not 100%sure but it does feel like fasting gives the body a rest so it can get its strength immunity to these toxins back up. I could be wrong but I do it not for long just day or 2 and I have noticed some energy changes
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    I believe in detoxing. Your probably right on track-I have only been able to do 1 25 hour stretch and I drink Fiji artesian-where I live water is *kitten* they put toxic chlorine in it and there are toxic chemicals present. Good luck add me I might join you if you do 5 days

    Fabulous @DancingDarl I've been waiting for someone who believes in this to come along and explain the following

    What exactly you are detoxing from your body? Can you name the most troublesome toxins and their effects on the body?

    What is the method by which these said toxins are removed from the body?

    You cannot detox those from your body. Your liver and kidneys are very efficient at removing small amounts. If you have unsafe levels, they need to be chelated. Chelating is the process of introducing an organic compound directly to the bloodstream (EDTA is a common one for lead and other heavy metals, others are used for mercury) which binds to the metals and removes them. It is done in a hospital and only for unsafe build-up. Your body does very well on its own for normal exposure.

    AWWW! You beat me to it earlnabby! :) Also, a water detox is a bad idea because too much water causes things like hyponatremia (low sodium) which is deadly, not to mention throwing off the delicate balance of other electrolytes like potassium (which the heart uses to conduct muscle contractility), and magnesium (which the body uses for protein synthesis, among other processes).

    So . . . just . . . NO!

    Why would you assume that someone doing a water detox/fast would intake too much water?

    I'd imagine some would drink more water to feel more "full" and would not be taking in any sodium during this fast. I can see how it could happen.

    Actually, the "slimy throat" effect and empty stomach make drinking water sort of unpleasant. At least for me, it becomes a forced practice to get enough water not to be dehydrated.
  • earlnabbyearlnabby Posts: 7,519Member Member Posts: 7,519Member Member
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    earlnabby wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    earlnabby wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    earlnabby wrote: »
    Nikion901 wrote: »
    Back in 1978 I did a 97 hour water only fast for the heck of it. I carried a gallon jug of water around in my car so that I could drink it whenever I got hungry ... but after about 48 hours I had to remind myself to drink the water.

    Have never done it again, but felt fine during it. Really kind of like on a high of some sort. Not thinking of ever doing it again.

    Which is why it is often done for religious reasons: 1) You can devote the time you would be eating to prayer and 2) you get "closer to God"

    It has more to do with self denial (demonstrating a willingness to put God above our own needs) and putting the desires of the flesh into subjection of the spirit.

    That is the official reason, along with setting aside time for prayer. The reality is that the "high" you get when fasting can lead to all kinds of interesting things when combined with religious fervor.

    What is this supposed "high" from fasting? I've never heard of it until this thread and I've certainly never experienced it. I have experienced quite the opposite of what I'd call a "high."

    You start hallucinating, both auditory and visual.

    LOL!!! In 3 days??????

    No, no you don't.

    I did, and so did many of the other church members (at least they said they did). When you expect something to happen, it will. Yes, it is all created by you in your mind but that is what the power of suggestion does (we also spoke in tongues, prophesied, got "slain in the spirit" (aka blacked out)and all kinds of other things). I am glad I got out of that
    edited February 2016
  • msf74msf74 Posts: 3,501Member Member Posts: 3,501Member Member
    Isn't "detox" just code for "I will starve myself to achieve quick weight loss but starving oneself is seen as socially unacceptable so I will give it a vague health related title so I get a free pass on criticism?"
  • earlnabbyearlnabby Posts: 7,519Member Member Posts: 7,519Member Member
    msf74 wrote: »
    Isn't "detox" just code for "I will starve myself to achieve quick weight loss but starving oneself is seen as socially unacceptable so I will give it a vague health related title so I get a free pass on criticism?"

    Yup.
  • msf74msf74 Posts: 3,501Member Member Posts: 3,501Member Member
    earlnabby wrote: »
    msf74 wrote: »
    Isn't "detox" just code for "I will starve myself to achieve quick weight loss but starving oneself is seen as socially unacceptable so I will give it a vague health related title so I get a free pass on criticism?"

    Yup.

    Well that's one subject sorted then.

    Shall we tackle world poverty next ;)
  • earlnabbyearlnabby Posts: 7,519Member Member Posts: 7,519Member Member
    msf74 wrote: »
    earlnabby wrote: »
    msf74 wrote: »
    Isn't "detox" just code for "I will starve myself to achieve quick weight loss but starving oneself is seen as socially unacceptable so I will give it a vague health related title so I get a free pass on criticism?"

    Yup.

    Well that's one subject sorted then.

    Shall we tackle world poverty next ;)

    Go for it
  • Carlos_421Carlos_421 Posts: 4,967Member, Premium Member Posts: 4,967Member, Premium Member
    earlnabby wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    earlnabby wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    earlnabby wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    earlnabby wrote: »
    Nikion901 wrote: »
    Back in 1978 I did a 97 hour water only fast for the heck of it. I carried a gallon jug of water around in my car so that I could drink it whenever I got hungry ... but after about 48 hours I had to remind myself to drink the water.

    Have never done it again, but felt fine during it. Really kind of like on a high of some sort. Not thinking of ever doing it again.

    Which is why it is often done for religious reasons: 1) You can devote the time you would be eating to prayer and 2) you get "closer to God"

    It has more to do with self denial (demonstrating a willingness to put God above our own needs) and putting the desires of the flesh into subjection of the spirit.

    That is the official reason, along with setting aside time for prayer. The reality is that the "high" you get when fasting can lead to all kinds of interesting things when combined with religious fervor.

    What is this supposed "high" from fasting? I've never heard of it until this thread and I've certainly never experienced it. I have experienced quite the opposite of what I'd call a "high."

    You start hallucinating, both auditory and visual.

    LOL!!! In 3 days??????

    No, no you don't.

    I did, and so did many of the other church members (at least they said they did). When you expect something to happen, it will. Yes, it is all created by you in your mind but that is what the power of suggestion does (we also spoke in tongues, prophesied, got "slain in the spirit" (aka blacked out)and all kinds of other things). I am glad I got out of that

    I've never hallucinated. I've expected lots of things that didn't happen. I've had lots of things happen I didn't expect.
    edited February 2016
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