You don't have ''big bones'' or a ''big frame''
trjjoy
Posts: 666 Member
Every so often someone on MFP will say they have ''big bones'' or a ''big frame''. This is just not true. Have a look at the photos in the success story threads. People will go from 150kg to 65kg and their bodies change a LOT.
I've only lost about 8kg but my shoulders have shrunk so much that my UK size 14/US size 12 jacket is now too big around the shoulders. It used to fit me perfectly, but I now drown in it and yes, even the sleeves have become too long.
Your body WILL change when you lose weight. If you're a woman, you more than likely DO NOT have broad shoulders. The ''body frame size calculators'' are WRONG.
I've only lost about 8kg but my shoulders have shrunk so much that my UK size 14/US size 12 jacket is now too big around the shoulders. It used to fit me perfectly, but I now drown in it and yes, even the sleeves have become too long.
Your body WILL change when you lose weight. If you're a woman, you more than likely DO NOT have broad shoulders. The ''body frame size calculators'' are WRONG.
13
Replies
-
I do have a big frame by measurement of wrist and forearm and width of pelvis
When I first started I accepted this and set my goal as my maximum BMI of 25 fully expecting to stay within the overweight category
I still have a big frame and have been at goal for a year...turns out I look best at a weight which puts my BMI at 24 so below the maximum BMI range I thought I'd be outside and that's with a decent musculature and a lowish, for my age, BF%12 -
I have broad shoulders, yeah. So does my brother, and my uncle. It's genetic. I don't have fat on my shoulders, thanks.
My shoulders are 18" across bone-to-bone (not including delts or arms) at 5'6" and I'm not fat at all (many folks here are in maintenance). That's broad enough to change my shirt size for the seams to fit where they should.9 -
I sometimes catch myself staring at my shoulders in the gym ...I really never realised I could like the way shoulders and tops of arms look4
-
I am big boned, and also fat.
Seriously though. I have large shoulders and decently sized hips. I'm like a big rectangle.3 -
I'm confused. Are you saying we are all the same bone size and width?28
-
Some people do have wider/thicker bones than others. It's genetic. My whole family is large-framed on both sides of the family, so I am too. I have people in the family on both sides of weight extremes, and the thin ones have broad shoulders, broad hips, wide wrists...etc. However, it would be stupid to claim that I'm not fat I'm just "big-boned" when I clearly am fat.10
-
Adult brain sizes can vary by as much as 70% within a gender. How can you completely dismiss the concept that people's skeletal frames also vary considerably?21
-
Hmm. I have a big head.. Will that shrink as I lose weight? I'd love to be able to buy hats from a normal store!
Also - I'm only being half sarcastic. I really do have a big head. : (29 -
It can actually save lives in some cases. My mother, who is in her 60s, fell off a cliff last year and came out of it with only a couple of cracked ribs and a concussion. The doctors were so impressed at the minimal bone damage compared to soft tissue damage at her age and wanted to run additional tests. Turns out not only does she have look to have a wide frame, but the bones themselves are thicker in both size and density. She was told she had the bone density of a woman less than half her age.12
-
Some of the responses here make my head hurt. Lemme go get some fresh air.5
-
I have a large frame too. Big hands and feet are a simple sign!!3
-
This is a genuine query: why would a bigger frame mean more fat/weight, outside of a small variance? Like, I can buy that some frames may be wider than others (I sure seem to have one narrower than most, if my hip measurements are anything to go by, so I can believe the opposite to be true), but I don't understand why that would translate to a significant variance in ideal body weight.
2 -
How about we are all the same height really!!! Just as funny lol!!9
-
OP, I'm trying to work out exactly what point you are trying to make. Is it that some people use the 'I have a large frame' excuse for not bothering to lose weight or are you saying everybody's frame size is the same, or is it something else?
Some people will use ANY excuse not to lose weight, not just frame size.
I am 5ft and have a large frame [wrist size, pelvic size] but that doesn't mean I can't/won't lose weight to get to a healthy weight that suits me.13 -
This is a genuine query: why would a bigger frame mean more fat/weight, outside of a small variance? Like, I can buy that some frames may be wider than others (I sure seem to have one narrower than most, if my hip measurements are anything to go by, so I can believe the opposite to be true), but I don't understand why that would translate to a significant variance in ideal body weight.
Just like muscle, bigger and denser bones contribute to weight, where one could be considered overweight by BMI standards when they aren't. The opposite is true for people with smaller than average bones. The BMI was actually modified for South Asians because, by the way of genetics, many of them could appear to be underweight by BMI standards when they aren't and can be considered overweight (with increased health risks) at a lower BMI than the average person.4 -
This is a genuine query: why would a bigger frame mean more fat/weight, outside of a small variance? Like, I can buy that some frames may be wider than others (I sure seem to have one narrower than most, if my hip measurements are anything to go by, so I can believe the opposite to be true), but I don't understand why that would translate to a significant variance in ideal body weight.
Mass is proportional to volume. Volume increases by the square of the radius for a cylinder or cone, and by the cube of the radius for a sphere. The entire human body can be modeled as a series of spheres, cylinders and cones. Thus volume will increase with radius at an order of something between 2-3 (closer to 2, though, as more body parts are cylindrical/conical in nature). Thus, a small change in radius would lead to a significant increase in volume and therefore mass.
3 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »This is a genuine query: why would a bigger frame mean more fat/weight, outside of a small variance? Like, I can buy that some frames may be wider than others (I sure seem to have one narrower than most, if my hip measurements are anything to go by, so I can believe the opposite to be true), but I don't understand why that would translate to a significant variance in ideal body weight.
Just like muscle, bigger and denser bones contribute to weight, where one could be considered overweight by BMI standards when they aren't. The opposite is true for people with smaller than average bones. The BMI was actually modified for South Asians because, by the way of genetics, many of them could appear to be underweight by BMI standards when they aren't and can be considered overweight (with increased health risks) at a lower BMI than the average person.
From what I understand that's not how the Asian BMI chart was adapted...the underweight limit remains in place but the overweight limit moved from 25 down to I think 23 or thereabouts
My recollection is hazy of the point change but I'm fairly certain that underweight is underweight even for Asian scale
The thing about the population measure of BMI is that it's statistically relevant on a population level and incorporates general differences in bone density, frame size etc within the scaling. However the confidence interval appears to be about 75-80 which does allow for outliers by size, musculature, disability and any other confounding characteristic1 -
Surely the reason there is a healthy weight range, not a specific number, for a particular height is because we are not all exactly the same width/density/whatever?
Taking my own height as an example, for 5'6 the healthy range as described by the NHS is 120-144lbs.
I can see the OP's point if she's referring to seriously overweight people who claim they could never exist under 200lbs at 5'8 because of a large frame (not that I've ever met anyone who claimed that sort of thing, but I watch a lot of bad telly).4 -
I have tiny wrists and a very thin neck, but my shoulders are too wide to wear size S shirts, and my wide pelvis will never allow me to wear really small sized pants. Annoyingly, my waist is rather slim, thus all pants I can pull over my hips are too wide on my waist.
But honestly, what's the average bone density? I found a value of 1.56 g/cm^3. Thus 1 kg extra weight would amount to a bone plate of 1cm x 100cm x 6.4cm. I don't think that my locally wider frame accounts to this amount of extra bone.0 -
Of course people have different size and proportion skeletons!
Different limb length to body ratios, different rib cage girth, wider/narrower pelvis, different skull size etc. etc. etc.
My ideal weight is towards the higher end of the BMI range, someone with proportionally longer limbs and smaller rib cage would be towards the lower end of the range like my mate at school with the nickname Long John Silver (he had a sunken chest...).
It's also very true that people use big-boned or large framed as an excuse for being fat and/or heavy.6 -
Silly thing to say, some of us have a larger frame, some are more petite. I can't go below a size 12 and look healthy. My head and bones are larger than my friend who has the tiniest little wrists compared to me
We're all different in many ways, I don't get why the op doesn't understand it3 -
The OP is talking nonsense. I know someone of the same height who looked far thinner than me when they were 10 stone than when I was 8 stone. She had size 7 feet to my 5, 36" rib cage to my (then) 28" and was overall broader than me. I genuinely do not understand how people can see the natural variation in animal breeds sizes/shapes/frames and then claim that people could or should have exactly the same physique. It's ridiculous.7
-
Every so often someone on MFP will say they have ''big bones'' or a ''big frame''. This is just not true. Have a look at the photos in the success story threads. People will go from 150kg to 65kg and their bodies change a LOT.
I've only lost about 8kg but my shoulders have shrunk so much that my UK size 14/US size 12 jacket is now too big around the shoulders. It used to fit me perfectly, but I now drown in it and yes, even the sleeves have become too long.
Your body WILL change when you lose weight. If you're a woman, you more than likely DO NOT have broad shoulders. The ''body frame size calculators'' are WRONG.
I actually did used to weigh 150kg and of course my body changed a lot and my clothing size was bigger, I used to wear a 3XL top. A 3XL top now comes down to around my knees. Most of the time I'm a size Small. But I still had to buy a large band size when I bought my Fitbit. There's barely a scrap of fat on my wrists or upper body in general now, but I'm 170cm and I certainly don't have a dainty small frame. Fat and frame size don't really correlate in my opinion.
Of course there are those that claim they're not fat they're just "big boned" but that's another matter entirely. Visually it's quite different.0 -
eringurl33 wrote: »Hmm. I have a big head.. Will that shrink as I lose weight? I'd love to be able to buy hats from a normal store!
Also - I'm only being half sarcastic. I really do have a big head. : (
My hat size (male, US) has indeed gone down 1/2 size or so after my loss to date. It's bad when you are carrying extra fat in the back of your head!1 -
Sorry but tell me again how there is no such thing as a large frame.
Clearly we all have the same body type... muscles or not... (and a bit of eye candy for the ladies... lol)14 -
Actually you can have a big frame and I'm a woman with broad shoulders...whilst not being overweight.2
-
Your body WILL change when you lose weight. If you're a woman, you more than likely DO NOT have broad shoulders. The ''body frame size calculators'' are WRONG.
Frame size has nothing to do with how broad your shoulders are; it's related to bone size/density (so yes, you can have "big bones"). Two people who are the exact same height and have the same amount of lean muscle mass can weigh different amounts based on frame size--the one with the large frame will have more bone mass, which weighs more.
I'm 5'8". My ring size is 3.75; my wrist circumference is a little over 5". I have a small frame. It has nothing to do with my shoulders.
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/imagepages/17182.htm
0 -
Every so often someone on MFP will say they have ''big bones'' or a ''big frame''. This is just not true. Have a look at the photos in the success story threads. People will go from 150kg to 65kg and their bodies change a LOT.
I've only lost about 8kg but my shoulders have shrunk so much that my UK size 14/US size 12 jacket is now too big around the shoulders. It used to fit me perfectly, but I now drown in it and yes, even the sleeves have become too long.
Your body WILL change when you lose weight. If you're a woman, you more than likely DO NOT have broad shoulders. The ''body frame size calculators'' are WRONG.
Wrong.
But I understand your point, let's not confuse 'big boned' with fat.
Human bones differ in size, we don't need to dispute this.5 -
I do think some people use frame size as an excuse for not losing weight. And calculators may be somewhat innacurate, especially if one carries a lot of fat on his or her wrists. However, I don't think that's the case for the majority on MFP. Frame size is not being used to deny the need for weight loss. It's being offered as one of the reasons individuals of the same height and weight can look so different (in addition to muscle/fat distribution).
There is huge variation in human morphology. I have never been clinically overweight, but I have always had large feet (US 9-9.5) even for my height. No one denies that foot size varies. I think it's odd to believe that foot proportion is the only example of skeletal variation.2 -
Yes, I do2
This discussion has been closed.
Categories
- All Categories
- 1.4M Health, Wellness and Goals
- 393.6K Introduce Yourself
- 43.8K Getting Started
- 260.2K Health and Weight Loss
- 175.9K Food and Nutrition
- 47.5K Recipes
- 232.5K Fitness and Exercise
- 430 Sleep, Mindfulness and Overall Wellness
- 6.5K Goal: Maintaining Weight
- 8.5K Goal: Gaining Weight and Body Building
- 153K Motivation and Support
- 8K Challenges
- 1.3K Debate Club
- 96.3K Chit-Chat
- 2.5K Fun and Games
- 3.8K MyFitnessPal Information
- 24 News and Announcements
- 1.1K Feature Suggestions and Ideas
- 2.6K MyFitnessPal Tech Support Questions