Does steam bath/ hot sauna help in reducing fat??
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snickerscharlie wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »Found an "expert" that is saying the same thing I am. Since I used google to find it is it less credible? lol. It from the WebMD question & answer section...
Q: Do sauna's contribute to weight loss?
From Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist Mark Kaelin
A: The short answer is, no. Generally after time in a sauna you might go to the scale and see that the number is lower but that represents the water you lost from sweating and will increase as soon as you replace those lost fluids, Which you need to do so, you don't become dehydrated.
While being exposed to high temps can increase your metabolism and slightly increase the number of calories you burn this is only because your body is working to keep your temperature within normal ranges. Once, you leave the environment your metabolism will return to normal.
Bottom line, time spent in a sauna would be more effectively used to prepare a healthy meal or more exercise. That being said, if you enjoy time in the sauna, use it as a motivation tool. Reward yourself with some time in the sauna everytime you visit the gym.
http://answers.webmd.com/expert/50475/mark-kaelin-certified-strength-and-conditioning-specialist
Web MD is about as credible a source as Dr. Oz. <eye rolly>
Obviously you didn't read what was posted.0 -
Just a note: you can't use the bible to prove history if the bible itself can't be proven to be a legitimate source.minniesb69 wrote: »This scientific study says that sauna's help weight loss by detoxifying the body. Works from the inside out! I dont subscribe to this theory I just found it interesting that this is backed by science. Page 61 paragraph 2
http://www.clinicaleducation.org/wp-content/uploads/ifm_proceedings_low.pdf#page=56
Same goes here. "Alternative Medicine" (usually holistic) sites spew a LOT of pseudoscience that's NOT recognized by the scientific community. Hence the reason Sedona exists.
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snickerscharlie wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »Found an "expert" that is saying the same thing I am. Since I used google to find it is it less credible? lol. It from the WebMD question & answer section...
Q: Do sauna's contribute to weight loss?
From Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist Mark Kaelin
A: The short answer is, no. Generally after time in a sauna you might go to the scale and see that the number is lower but that represents the water you lost from sweating and will increase as soon as you replace those lost fluids, Which you need to do so, you don't become dehydrated.
While being exposed to high temps can increase your metabolism and slightly increase the number of calories you burn this is only because your body is working to keep your temperature within normal ranges. Once, you leave the environment your metabolism will return to normal.
Bottom line, time spent in a sauna would be more effectively used to prepare a healthy meal or more exercise. That being said, if you enjoy time in the sauna, use it as a motivation tool. Reward yourself with some time in the sauna everytime you visit the gym.
http://answers.webmd.com/expert/50475/mark-kaelin-certified-strength-and-conditioning-specialist
Web MD is about as credible a source as Dr. Oz. <eye rolly>
Nonsense.
That is good accurate information.0 -
minniesb69 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »Sweat detoxifies pores, there are millions of pores on your skin, sauna's make you sweat, sauna's detoxify the skin. Easy peasy.
http://www.medicaldaily.com/sweat-it-out-5-surprising-health-benefits-sweating-actually-dont-stink-309718
http://www.fitday.com/fitness-articles/fitness/exercises/sweating-why-its-good-for-you.html
http://www.drwhitaker.com/health-benefits-of-a-sauna/ "The primary benefits of a sauna is that it induces sweating. Although most of us go to great lengths to avoid sweating, perspiration has two essential functions: It cools you down, and it rids the body of waste products."
I have no life so I'm fine with going in circles. It'll take my mind off of eating
I guess when you said you had credible sources I thought you meant real credible sources and not GoogleU and the first articles you could find. Did you even read those? How does exercise intentisy have to do with sitting your butt in a steam room? Your first two articles (in your first post) have nothing to do with burning extra calories, actually the second actually contradicts your premise (from http://woman.thenest.com/difference-heart-rate-between-running-sauna-19051.html):
"Health Benefits
Despite the elevated heart rate, soaking up heat in the sauna is not shown to have much benefit besides relaxation, according to Harvard Medical School. Running, on the other hand, burns serious calories for weight management, increases endurance, reduces heart-disease risk and improves immune function. Aerobic exercise is so important for your health that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention instructs all adults to get 75 to 150 minutes per week of vigorous cardio, like running, or 150 to 300 minutes per week of moderate cardio, like brisk walking or freestyle dancing."
So again you aren't proving a thing anything. I'm not even going to read the last two since you aren't really showing that you understand the topic.
Please go re-read my comment. I addressed everything you "caught me" on.
I think you are still confused as the relationship between HR and calories consumed. The two are only connected through oxegen consumption but that's not as easy as just measuring your HR as anyone who has used a HRM during anerobic exercise and lifting can tell you.
No, Im not. thanks tho. From the same article I posted..the same one you just quoted, the same one that says saunas have no affect on calories... it also says that the affects of a sauna is like a slow jog. Are you telling me a slow jog burns no calories?
"The sauna won't get your blood flowing quite like a speedy sprint, but the pulse-raising effects may be similar to a slower jog in some cases."
Ok, I see you've modified your statements a bit. I indicated before a slight increase in caloric burn is possible, and that is due to temperature regulation as you've found in another article. We have found evidence that warm weather running burns slightly more than cold weather jogging even though it was thought for a long time to be the reverse. However, sitting in a warm sauna will burn less than standing in the cold. Not sure what they mean by effects of a slow job here since that's pretty nebulous.0 -
Because the OP asked. Passing on misinformation to people who read it should be addressed.minniesb69 wrote: »Why are people so up in arms about this?! lol
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Op asked about saunas burning fat...i said nothing about saunas burning fat. Im asking why are ppl up in arms about the points I made.
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snickerscharlie wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »Found an "expert" that is saying the same thing I am. Since I used google to find it is it less credible? lol. It from the WebMD question & answer section...
Q: Do sauna's contribute to weight loss?
From Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist Mark Kaelin
A: The short answer is, no. Generally after time in a sauna you might go to the scale and see that the number is lower but that represents the water you lost from sweating and will increase as soon as you replace those lost fluids, Which you need to do so, you don't become dehydrated.
While being exposed to high temps can increase your metabolism and slightly increase the number of calories you burn this is only because your body is working to keep your temperature within normal ranges. Once, you leave the environment your metabolism will return to normal.
Bottom line, time spent in a sauna would be more effectively used to prepare a healthy meal or more exercise. That being said, if you enjoy time in the sauna, use it as a motivation tool. Reward yourself with some time in the sauna everytime you visit the gym.
http://answers.webmd.com/expert/50475/mark-kaelin-certified-strength-and-conditioning-specialist
Web MD is about as credible a source as Dr. Oz. <eye rolly>
More credible than MFP posters0 -
minniesb69 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »Found an "expert" that is saying the same thing I am. Since I used google to find it is it less credible? lol. It from the WebMD question & answer section...
Q: Do sauna's contribute to weight loss?
From Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist Mark Kaelin
A: The short answer is, no. Generally after time in a sauna you might go to the scale and see that the number is lower but that represents the water you lost from sweating and will increase as soon as you replace those lost fluids, Which you need to do so, you don't become dehydrated.
While being exposed to high temps can increase your metabolism and slightly increase the number of calories you burn this is only because your body is working to keep your temperature within normal ranges. Once, you leave the environment your metabolism will return to normal.
Bottom line, time spent in a sauna would be more effectively used to prepare a healthy meal or more exercise. That being said, if you enjoy time in the sauna, use it as a motivation tool. Reward yourself with some time in the sauna everytime you visit the gym.
http://answers.webmd.com/expert/50475/mark-kaelin-certified-strength-and-conditioning-specialist
Web MD is about as credible a source as Dr. Oz. <eye rolly>
More credible than MFP posters
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When i think of sauna's/weight loss, I think of jockeys trying to lose water weight so they can make their weight class. Which equals to dehydration??0
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »Found an "expert" that is saying the same thing I am. Since I used google to find it is it less credible? lol. It from the WebMD question & answer section...
Q: Do sauna's contribute to weight loss?
From Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist Mark Kaelin
A: The short answer is, no. Generally after time in a sauna you might go to the scale and see that the number is lower but that represents the water you lost from sweating and will increase as soon as you replace those lost fluids, Which you need to do so, you don't become dehydrated.
While being exposed to high temps can increase your metabolism and slightly increase the number of calories you burn this is only because your body is working to keep your temperature within normal ranges. Once, you leave the environment your metabolism will return to normal.
Bottom line, time spent in a sauna would be more effectively used to prepare a healthy meal or more exercise. That being said, if you enjoy time in the sauna, use it as a motivation tool. Reward yourself with some time in the sauna everytime you visit the gym.
http://answers.webmd.com/expert/50475/mark-kaelin-certified-strength-and-conditioning-specialist
Web MD is about as credible a source as Dr. Oz. <eye rolly>
More credible than MFP posters
Mirror?
For yourself? ...if you'd like.
I've provided sources outside of mfp. You're welcome0 -
Just so we are clear...saunas do not burn fat, they are not a good weight loss tool. Saunas burn a small amount of calories and is good for the skin. Somehow my initial point got lost.0
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Christine_72 wrote: »When i think of sauna's/weight loss, I think of jockeys trying to lose water weight so they can make their weight class. Which equals to dehydration??
I hydrate before and after sauna use. As far as I can tell it makes no noticeable difference on the scale, probably because I replenish.
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minniesb69 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »When i think of sauna's/weight loss, I think of jockeys trying to lose water weight so they can make their weight class. Which equals to dehydration??
I hydrate before and after sauna use. As far as I can tell it makes no noticeable difference on the scale, probably because I replenish.
Yes, but I doubt the jockeys replenish their water until after their weigh in0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »When i think of sauna's/weight loss, I think of jockeys trying to lose water weight so they can make their weight class. Which equals to dehydration??
I hydrate before and after sauna use. As far as I can tell it makes no noticeable difference on the scale, probably because I replenish.
Yes, but I doubt the jockeys replenish their water until after their weigh in
Agreed. Much different than the average sauna scenario
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minniesb69 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »Found an "expert" that is saying the same thing I am. Since I used google to find it is it less credible? lol. It from the WebMD question & answer section...
Q: Do sauna's contribute to weight loss?
From Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist Mark Kaelin
A: The short answer is, no. Generally after time in a sauna you might go to the scale and see that the number is lower but that represents the water you lost from sweating and will increase as soon as you replace those lost fluids, Which you need to do so, you don't become dehydrated.
While being exposed to high temps can increase your metabolism and slightly increase the number of calories you burn this is only because your body is working to keep your temperature within normal ranges. Once, you leave the environment your metabolism will return to normal.
Bottom line, time spent in a sauna would be more effectively used to prepare a healthy meal or more exercise. That being said, if you enjoy time in the sauna, use it as a motivation tool. Reward yourself with some time in the sauna everytime you visit the gym.
http://answers.webmd.com/expert/50475/mark-kaelin-certified-strength-and-conditioning-specialist
Web MD is about as credible a source as Dr. Oz. <eye rolly>
More credible than MFP posters
Mirror?
For yourself? ...if you'd like.
I've provided sources outside of mfp. You're welcome
No, for you, sorry you are wrong but it would be nice for you to just admit you made the mistake and move on. It's better to just let it go. Your "basic biology" wasn't and your "credible sources" aren't and didn't support your points in any event.0 -
We just had a very intense discussion about this in a previous thread in the Fitness Exercise section LOL.
Basically, no. Sauna on its own does not burn enough calories or contribute to weight loss.
However the benefits are still noteworthy. It helps with recovery, relaxation, stress relief, skin Rejuvenation and improved endurance.
Make sure you rehydrate after the sauna and do sessions of MAX 30 minutes
You burn about 42 calories in half hour. So try doing your weight lifting or cardio and then treat yourself to a sauna session for relaxation. And honestly for me personally I feel like a million bucks after I go into the sauna and then take a cool shower! 0 -
No. Eating fewer calories than you burn reduces fat.0
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As for a sauna making your skin glow or detox or whatever. I remember when we went on a holiday to an incredibly humid destination where we were constantly sweating.. One of the things I noticed was the beautiful dewy skin of the people that lived there.0
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singingflutelady wrote: »I guess I should be upset that I didn't lose any weight when I was severely anaemic and tachycardic and my rhr was 140 for months. All day, all night cardio in the fat burning zone
I was going to say then with all the asthma attacks I used to have when my HR would get up over 180 at times, I should have burned a lot of calories.my RHR was over 120 on a good day. thankfully that improved. but Im still a little overweight and have stubborn fat to lose.I guess then if you sit out and sunbathe and sweat you accomplish the same thing as a sauna? especially on a humid day? nah,you sweat to cool your body down, plain and simple.
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I go in the sauna when I'm bloated just to lose some water weight and have my pants feel less tight for like...5 minutes. Until I drink water again.
Mostly I go and roll my shoulders out on a tennis ball if I'm very tight.
Can you imagine if all we had to do was sit in a hot room to lose weight?0 -
arditarose wrote: »I go in the sauna when I'm bloated just to lose some water weight and have my pants feel less tight for like...5 minutes. Until I drink water again.
Mostly I go and roll my shoulders out on a tennis ball if I'm very tight.
Can you imagine if all we had to do was sit in a hot room to lose weight?
I would be screwed then lol no sauna in my area that I know of. heck the nearest gym is 60 miles one way0 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »arditarose wrote: »I go in the sauna when I'm bloated just to lose some water weight and have my pants feel less tight for like...5 minutes. Until I drink water again.
Mostly I go and roll my shoulders out on a tennis ball if I'm very tight.
Can you imagine if all we had to do was sit in a hot room to lose weight?
I would be screwed then lol no sauna in my area that I know of. heck the nearest gym is 60 miles one way
Oh my god you'd have to move lol
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^^^^^THISWe just had a very intense discussion about this in a previous thread in the Fitness Exercise section LOL.
Basically, no. Sauna on its own does not burn enough calories or contribute to weight loss.
However the benefits are still noteworthy. It helps with recovery, relaxation, stress relief, skin Rejuvenation and improved endurance.
Make sure you rehydrate after the sauna and do sessions of MAX 30 minutes You burn about 42 calories in half hour. So try doing your weight lifting or cardio and then treat yourself to a sauna session for relaxation. And honestly for me personally I feel like a million bucks after I go into the sauna and then take a cool shower!0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »Found an "expert" that is saying the same thing I am. Since I used google to find it is it less credible? lol. It from the WebMD question & answer section...
Q: Do sauna's contribute to weight loss?
From Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist Mark Kaelin
A: The short answer is, no. Generally after time in a sauna you might go to the scale and see that the number is lower but that represents the water you lost from sweating and will increase as soon as you replace those lost fluids, Which you need to do so, you don't become dehydrated.
While being exposed to high temps can increase your metabolism and slightly increase the number of calories you burn this is only because your body is working to keep your temperature within normal ranges. Once, you leave the environment your metabolism will return to normal.
Bottom line, time spent in a sauna would be more effectively used to prepare a healthy meal or more exercise. That being said, if you enjoy time in the sauna, use it as a motivation tool. Reward yourself with some time in the sauna everytime you visit the gym.
http://answers.webmd.com/expert/50475/mark-kaelin-certified-strength-and-conditioning-specialist
Web MD is about as credible a source as Dr. Oz. <eye rolly>
More credible than MFP posters
Mirror?
For yourself? ...if you'd like.
I've provided sources outside of mfp. You're welcome
No, for you, sorry you are wrong but it would be nice for you to just admit you made the mistake and move on. It's better to just let it go. Your "basic biology" wasn't and your "credible sources" aren't and didn't support your points in any event.
On what point am incorrect? Sources please.0 -
minniesb69 wrote: »Again, Im not saying a person can go from fat to flat using a sauna. That is ridiculous. I'm saying sauna's detoxify the skin & increases the heart rate which burns calories.
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singingflutelady wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »Again, Im not saying a person can go from fat to flat using a sauna. That is ridiculous. I'm saying sauna's detoxify the skin & increases the heart rate which burns calories.
You said increased heart rate=higher calorie burn
And this is true. While in a sauna heart rate increases due to temp change which increases oxygen and burns a small amount of calories. Please find a source that says this is not correct.
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And for the ppl that said they were sick and had a high heart rate...please comprehend the fact that the amount burned is minimal and intake works against it.0
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singingflutelady wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »Again, Im not saying a person can go from fat to flat using a sauna. That is ridiculous. I'm saying sauna's detoxify the skin & increases the heart rate which burns calories.
You said increased heart rate=higher calorie burn
Did I ever say "higher calorie burn"? If I did I can see how that was misinterpreted. If I stated this it means overall. As in, in addition to what you already burned. I didnt mean it as saunas burn alot of calories. I've stated several times that it doesnt.0 -
minniesb69 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »Again, Im not saying a person can go from fat to flat using a sauna. That is ridiculous. I'm saying sauna's detoxify the skin & increases the heart rate which burns calories.
You said increased heart rate=higher calorie burn
Did I ever say "higher calorie burn"? If I did I can see how that was misinterpreted. If I stated this it means overall. As in, in addition to what you already burned. I didnt mean it as saunas burn alot of calories. I've stated several times that it doesnt.
So really, your initial post which said "it detoxifies skin and burns calories" should have had one of those little * next to it, with a disclaimer that said [*extra calories burns are minimal and will not contribute to fat loss]?
See your initial post, given that it is in response to someone asking if a sauna will reduce fat, can only really be interpreted as you saying yes it would, because it burns 'extra' calories.0 -
minniesb69 wrote: »I will repeat, its not a miracle fat loss machine...its basic science. SCIENCE...the heart pumps the blood to transport the oxygen. They are part of the same cycle. You are saying the same thing. This article explains how the increased heart rate helps oxygen flow which in turn burns calories. http://healthyliving.azcentral.com/burn-calories-heart-beats-faster-8069.html My statement is correct, increased heart rate increases calorie burn. Simple science
Maybe you'll believe an anti-sauna article. This states that saunas are merely for relaxation and not much benefit besides that...yet it likens the increased heart rate from the sauna to "a slow jog" and makes the connection between heart rate and calories. Basically they are saying sauna isnt going to have the same affect and working out but it does something no matter how miniscule. It also says sauna's send oxygen to the skin. Which brings me to my next point... http://woman.thenest.com/difference-heart-rate-between-running-sauna-19051.html
Your statement, your words.0 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »minniesb69 wrote: »Again, Im not saying a person can go from fat to flat using a sauna. That is ridiculous. I'm saying sauna's detoxify the skin & increases the heart rate which burns calories.
You said increased heart rate=higher calorie burn
Did I ever say "higher calorie burn"? If I did I can see how that was misinterpreted. If I stated this it means overall. As in, in addition to what you already burned. I didnt mean it as saunas burn alot of calories. I've stated several times that it doesnt.
So really, your initial post which said "it detoxifies skin and burns calories" should have had one of those little * next to it, with a disclaimer that said [*extra calories burns are minimal and will not contribute to fat loss]?
See your initial post, given that it is in response to someone asking if a sauna will reduce fat, can only really be interpreted as you saying yes it would, because it burns 'extra' calories.
But I didnt say it reduces fat...I said it detoxifies skin and burns calories. It can only be interpreted as exactly what I said...it detoxifies and burns calories. Thats is what I'm still saying. I even said it doesnt work for weightloss. I said time and time again that its minimal. I still dont get why ppl got all riled up. Maybe people shouldnt assume.0
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