"Keto flu" finally gone!
KennyLaguna2016
Posts: 45 Member
Wow that was no joke! Lasted about 4 days but it's all good now. Feeling pretty damn good actually. Nice to know my body is starting to adjust!
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@KennyLaguna2016 welcome to MFP forums. My first 90 days of Nutritional Ketosis was a learning curving for sure but 1.5 years in it is the best way of eating that I have experience in my 65 years. Best of success.0
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@GaleHawkins thanks for the words! I may have spoken a little too soon...can't seem to kick this headache I've had for about 4 days now. It was subsiding yesterday, but back today. I've tried to up my salt intake a bit, but hasn't seemed to help much. Any suggestions? Thanks a million!0
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Try drinking some bone broth or, failing that, get some mio sport. The culprit is electrolytes, so supplementing salt can help, but also make sure to keep an eye on your other electrolyte levels; I used to have a really hard time with potassium, in particular. Hope this helps!0
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Hi there! If I may, the one thing that always worked for me when I was going through the "induction" phase was to make a little "keto gatorade". Pick up some Morton's "Lite" salt...the key here is they replace part of the NaCl with potassium chloride, and the potassium is what really helped me kick that headache and "foggy" feeling. I'd make a big water bottle with some Mio sweetener, and throw in a couple teaspoons of the lite salt. Worked better than sipping broth all day and I didn't feel like I was having chicken soup for breakfast :-P
Good luck and keto on!!0 -
You should listen to your body. It's telling you something.0
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KennyLaguna2016 wrote: »@GaleHawkins thanks for the words! I may have spoken a little too soon...can't seem to kick this headache I've had for about 4 days now. It was subsiding yesterday, but back today. I've tried to up my salt intake a bit, but hasn't seemed to help much. Any suggestions? Thanks a million!
As well as what everyone else mentioned, you could be experiencing withdrawal from sugars. It's happened to some switching to a keto diet and usually disappears after a week or so.
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Springfield1970 wrote: »You should listen to your body. It's telling you something.
@Springfield1970 Switching to a keto diet has initial side effects as your body transitions from a carb-based energy to fat-based. Everything OP is experiencing is pretty normal for the initial transition.
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@Springfield1970 with all due respect...many years ago when I quit using drugs, if I "listened to my body" I would still be doing them. If I listened to my body when I quit smoking cigarettes, I would still be smoking. I honestly believe this is more of a transition stage.
What exactly is "mio sweetener?" How much salt should be added for the Keto gatoraid ?
@drwilseyjr a buddy of mine at work also mentioned it could be carb/sugar withdrawal. Very possible.
I've also had a sore throat that hasn't quite disappeared yet. My doctor thought it was an infection so she put me on antibiotics. They didn't do a thing. Is a sore throat also common for beginning Keto?
Thank you all so much for the replies!!0 -
I recently went from a very high carb way of eating to a much less carb lower calorie way of eating and even that gave me carb withdrawl. Sore throat off and on, headaches and listlessness. Not fun. I think when/if your body will use fat for the energy it used to get from carbs you will feel better. In my case when I went on th atkins approach, the switch over never happened. Best wishes to you on this!0
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I haven't heard of sore throat being a side effect.0
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@KennyLaguna2016 as a warning about my post my mind cases rabbits plus I may be replying in 3-4 totally different forums at the same time about 3-4 unrelated subject matters.
All my point was that just about anything can happen in the first 90 dates physically or mentally as one moves from living mainly on carbs to mainly fats.
As @drwilseyjr mentioned about withdrawal my first two weeks was hellish due to leaving sugar and all forms of grains cold turkey after never being able to taper off. After two weeks the cravings just started fading fast but it really was 90 before weird stuff stopped or I adjusted to it.
@Gamliela you make a good point. A body addicted to even harmful stuff can still demand we keep ingesting it.0 -
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The first time I went through Paleo Flu, I thought I had some sickness. Even the doc thought I had something. Prescribed antibiotics! I think it was a mixture of switching over AND withdrawls from carb/sugar. I would echo about what others are mentioning about electolites. I starting taking a 1/2 tsp of pink sea salt with water twice a day and it REALLY helped.0
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Thanks again everyone for the replies!!0
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Hello all!
Quick question... I honestly feel I have passed the Keto flu stage for good! I feel fine, no headaches, no sore throat, nothing. I'm now wondering if/when I should stop taking the magnesium supplement, and the "ketoaid " drink I have been drinking daily to supplement my potassium and sodium? I've been drinking about a 1/4 teaspoon of lite salt as well as a 1/4 teaspoon of pink sea salt.
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drwilseyjr wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »You should listen to your body. It's telling you something.
@Springfield1970 Switching to a keto diet has initial side effects as your body transitions from a carb-based energy to fat-based. Everything OP is experiencing is pretty normal for the initial transition.
You're assuming I haven't done this. It's something I 'lived' for a couple of years, but honestly it just doesn't beat eating a flexible protein carb and fat based diet, especially for someone who likes to train over lactate threshold.
I also found it impossible to socialise.
Conclusion, expensive, restricting, not good fuel for higher heart rate zones. No improvement in health. Awful transition period. Electrolyte armageddon.
Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?
I've hit my fat percentage, health and performance targets with a traditional diet.
Also, you can't compare a normal carb inclusive diet with something like nicotine, alcohol or class a drug taking. That's not logical.0 -
Springfield1970 wrote: »drwilseyjr wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »You should listen to your body. It's telling you something.
@Springfield1970 Switching to a keto diet has initial side effects as your body transitions from a carb-based energy to fat-based. Everything OP is experiencing is pretty normal for the initial transition.
You're assuming I haven't done this. It's something I 'lived' for a couple of years, but honestly it just doesn't beat eating a flexible protein carb and fat based diet, especially for someone who likes to train over lactate threshold.
I also found it impossible to socialise.
Conclusion, expensive, restricting, not good fuel for higher heart rate zones. No improvement in health. Awful transition period. Electrolyte armageddon.
Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?
I've hit my fat percentage, health and performance targets with a traditional diet.
Also, you can't compare a normal carb inclusive diet with something like nicotine, alcohol or class a drug taking. That's not logical.
Sometimes it doesn't work for everyone. That's okay. Not sure why you couldn't socialize while eating differently, I guess all your socializing was around food? Sorry you felt you couldn't do that.
Others though, they find success with other ways of eating. Different things work for different people because our bodies are all different.
Good luck with your own choices though! They seem to work out for you well.
And glad you got over the hump Kenny!0 -
Springfield1970 wrote: »drwilseyjr wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »You should listen to your body. It's telling you something.
@Springfield1970 Switching to a keto diet has initial side effects as your body transitions from a carb-based energy to fat-based. Everything OP is experiencing is pretty normal for the initial transition.
You're assuming I haven't done this. It's something I 'lived' for a couple of years, but honestly it just doesn't beat eating a flexible protein carb and fat based diet, especially for someone who likes to train over lactate threshold.
I also found it impossible to socialise.
Conclusion, expensive, restricting, not good fuel for higher heart rate zones. No improvement in health. Awful transition period. Electrolyte armageddon.
Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?
I've hit my fat percentage, health and performance targets with a traditional diet.
Also, you can't compare a normal carb inclusive diet with something like nicotine, alcohol or class a drug taking. That's not logical.
Can't socialize? What? You couldn't say no to mashed potatoes, fries, or bread? Go out to eat - get a burger wrapped in lettuce, get a steak with a side of broccoli, get a chicken salad with dressing on the side (Caesar is my favorite and only 1g net carb), et cetera.
I'm only a week in and can tell you for a fact that I've already been out and about eating Keto with friends and family. No issue. Maybe there would have been an issue if I weren't in the mindset that this was what I wanted to do.
Something tells me you were already sabotaging yourself to begin with: "Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?"
If you don't want to live Keto or low carb, that's fine for you. But to compare your experience to being a healthy, active Keto lifestyle is honestly a little laughable because of how you described it.
As far as Keto Flu, or "electrolyte Armageddon" as you put it, just eat the right foods. Spinach contains both magnesium and potassium, tuna contains a *kitten*-ton of magnesium. It's about changing your perspective on food. Not complaining about having to do something.
And you actually can. There are hundreds of reports by WHO and other medical professionals that have compared and proven that sugar addiction is just as addictive as substance abuse drugs.0 -
Springfield1970 wrote: »drwilseyjr wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »You should listen to your body. It's telling you something.
@Springfield1970 Switching to a keto diet has initial side effects as your body transitions from a carb-based energy to fat-based. Everything OP is experiencing is pretty normal for the initial transition.
You're assuming I haven't done this. It's something I 'lived' for a couple of years, but honestly it just doesn't beat eating a flexible protein carb and fat based diet, especially for someone who likes to train over lactate threshold.
I also found it impossible to socialise.
Conclusion, expensive, restricting, not good fuel for higher heart rate zones. No improvement in health. Awful transition period. Electrolyte armageddon.
Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?
I've hit my fat percentage, health and performance targets with a traditional diet.
Also, you can't compare a normal carb inclusive diet with something like nicotine, alcohol or class a drug taking. That's not logical.
Can't socialize? What? You couldn't say no to mashed potatoes, fries, or bread? Go out to eat - get a burger wrapped in lettuce, get a steak with a side of broccoli, get a chicken salad with dressing on the side (Caesar is my favorite and only 1g net carb), et cetera.
I'm only a week inand can tell you for a fact that I've already been out and about eating Keto with friends and family. No issue. Maybe there would have been an issue if I weren't in the mindset that this was what I wanted to do.
Something tells me you were already sabotaging yourself to begin with: "Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?"
If you don't want to live Keto or low carb, that's fine for you. But to compare your experience to being a healthy, active Keto lifestyle is honestly a little laughable because of how you described it.
As far as Keto Flu, or "electrolyte Armageddon" as you put it, just eat the right foods. Spinach contains both magnesium and potassium, tuna contains a *kitten*-ton of magnesium. It's about changing your perspective on food. Not complaining about having to do something.
And you actually can. There are hundreds of reports by WHO and other medical professionals that have compared and proven that sugar addiction is just as addictive as substance abuse drugs.
Firstly, it may be a good idea if you try out this lifestyle for longer than a week before coming to conclusions. I did this for years, diligently, and after the initial excitement and water loss the negs started creeping in. After a couple of months you'll start thinking about all the food you're missing, especially if you are young and social.
I came to the conclusions after trying both lifestyles. You need to read my post again. I hit fitness goals that I could never have done without glycogen in my system.
Of course I took electrolytes, and I was eating high nutrient food. Still felt like my brain was dying. Which it kind of was.
There is no such thing as sugar addiction, possibly mental, but not like drugs, please post a specific scientific study that proves this.
Good luck, Mrs One Week In!
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Springfield1970 wrote: »drwilseyjr wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »You should listen to your body. It's telling you something.
@Springfield1970 Switching to a keto diet has initial side effects as your body transitions from a carb-based energy to fat-based. Everything OP is experiencing is pretty normal for the initial transition.
You're assuming I haven't done this. It's something I 'lived' for a couple of years, but honestly it just doesn't beat eating a flexible protein carb and fat based diet, especially for someone who likes to train over lactate threshold.
I also found it impossible to socialise.
Conclusion, expensive, restricting, not good fuel for higher heart rate zones. No improvement in health. Awful transition period. Electrolyte armageddon.
Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?
I've hit my fat percentage, health and performance targets with a traditional diet.
Also, you can't compare a normal carb inclusive diet with something like nicotine, alcohol or class a drug taking. That's not logical.
Can't socialize? What? You couldn't say no to mashed potatoes, fries, or bread? Go out to eat - get a burger wrapped in lettuce, get a steak with a side of broccoli, get a chicken salad with dressing on the side (Caesar is my favorite and only 1g net carb), et cetera.
I'm only a week in and can tell you for a fact that I've already been out and about eating Keto with friends and family. No issue. Maybe there would have been an issue if I weren't in the mindset that this was what I wanted to do.
Something tells me you were already sabotaging yourself to begin with: "Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?"
If you don't want to live Keto or low carb, that's fine for you. But to compare your experience to being a healthy, active Keto lifestyle is honestly a little laughable because of how you described it.
As far as Keto Flu, or "electrolyte Armageddon" as you put it, just eat the right foods. Spinach contains both magnesium and potassium, tuna contains a *kitten*-ton of magnesium. It's about changing your perspective on food. Not complaining about having to do something.
And you actually can. There are hundreds of reports by WHO and other medical professionals that have compared and proven that sugar addiction is just as addictive as substance abuse drugs.
@Nifesie it sounds like you are well on your way. I have been LCHF for the past 18 months and I am getting my life back at age 65 with better health and health markers than at age 45. Keto is not for the masses. The first two weeks breaking my carb addition was hellish because when I could not taper off so I left both sugar and all forms of all grains cold turkey Oct 2014. I expect my very poor state of health and my age made it harder for me. It cut my pain good so I dodged having to start Enbrel injections for pain management.
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Springfield1970 wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »drwilseyjr wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »You should listen to your body. It's telling you something.
@Springfield1970 Switching to a keto diet has initial side effects as your body transitions from a carb-based energy to fat-based. Everything OP is experiencing is pretty normal for the initial transition.
You're assuming I haven't done this. It's something I 'lived' for a couple of years, but honestly it just doesn't beat eating a flexible protein carb and fat based diet, especially for someone who likes to train over lactate threshold.
I also found it impossible to socialise.
Conclusion, expensive, restricting, not good fuel for higher heart rate zones. No improvement in health. Awful transition period. Electrolyte armageddon.
Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?
I've hit my fat percentage, health and performance targets with a traditional diet.
Also, you can't compare a normal carb inclusive diet with something like nicotine, alcohol or class a drug taking. That's not logical.
Can't socialize? What? You couldn't say no to mashed potatoes, fries, or bread? Go out to eat - get a burger wrapped in lettuce, get a steak with a side of broccoli, get a chicken salad with dressing on the side (Caesar is my favorite and only 1g net carb), et cetera.
I'm only a week inand can tell you for a fact that I've already been out and about eating Keto with friends and family. No issue. Maybe there would have been an issue if I weren't in the mindset that this was what I wanted to do.
Something tells me you were already sabotaging yourself to begin with: "Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?"
If you don't want to live Keto or low carb, that's fine for you. But to compare your experience to being a healthy, active Keto lifestyle is honestly a little laughable because of how you described it.
As far as Keto Flu, or "electrolyte Armageddon" as you put it, just eat the right foods. Spinach contains both magnesium and potassium, tuna contains a *kitten*-ton of magnesium. It's about changing your perspective on food. Not complaining about having to do something.
And you actually can. There are hundreds of reports by WHO and other medical professionals that have compared and proven that sugar addiction is just as addictive as substance abuse drugs.
Firstly, it may be a good idea if you try out this lifestyle for longer than a week before coming to conclusions. I did this for years, diligently, and after the initial excitement and water loss the negs started creeping in. After a couple of months you'll start thinking about all the food you're missing, especially if you are young and social.
I came to the conclusions after trying both lifestyles. You need to read my post again. I hit fitness goals that I could never have done without glycogen in my system.
Of course I took electrolytes, and I was eating high nutrient food. Still felt like my brain was dying. Which it kind of was.
There is no such thing as sugar addiction, possibly mental, but not like drugs, please post a specific scientific study that proves this.
Good luck, Mrs One Week In!
I have friends who have been living this lifestyle for 5+ years. They're perfectly fine. I've seen how they eat and it's not hard. Skip chips, potatoes, high sugary things, et cetera. I've already faced making my son's birthday cake, getting the ice cream for the party, everyone eating macaroni and cheese, but I didn't even think twice as I was having my bratwurst wrapped in deli sliced chipotle cheese and my side salad with my favorite dressing. If I wanted to have something sweet, which I didn't, I could have had a strawberry or two or a handful of raspberries.
I am young and I am social. Does this mean I should be eating things other than what's Keto? What does this imply? If you are hanging out with people who thinks it is strange that you pass on the fries and instead get broccoli or a salad with a steak, shrimp, chicken, et cetera then you have some crappy friends.
Or is this all about the alcohol? Vodkas have no carbs and hard ciders are low.
Just because I haven't personally lived it for longer than a week doesn't mean I don't know how it works. Again, you seemed to be against it anyway because of how profoundly you describe your passion for these other foods, which is perfectly fine for you. Again. Just fine for you, but then you obviously weren't in the mindset at the time of eating this way and were treating it like a chore.
Why couldn't you have hit certain goals? Two of my friends are major athletic buffs. They take me to the gym, I take them out fishing, haha! While living the Keto way, the body gets all of its necessary glucose from the proteins you consume. If you aren't reaching an adequate amount of protein, you won't build and you won't be feeding your organs right.
If you felt like your brain was dying then you weren't doing it right. What were your macros? Potassium is 1,000mg, Magnesium 300mg, Sodium 5,000mg. And I did read your post. Nothing I commented on was based off anything you didn't say. I know you said you lived this lifestyle, but I also noted that you were sabotaging yourself to begin with because you were treating it like a chore and how you fondly describe the things you wanted otherwise.
Here you go: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2235907/0 -
Springfield1970 wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »drwilseyjr wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »You should listen to your body. It's telling you something.
@Springfield1970 Switching to a keto diet has initial side effects as your body transitions from a carb-based energy to fat-based. Everything OP is experiencing is pretty normal for the initial transition.
You're assuming I haven't done this. It's something I 'lived' for a couple of years, but honestly it just doesn't beat eating a flexible protein carb and fat based diet, especially for someone who likes to train over lactate threshold.
I also found it impossible to socialise.
Conclusion, expensive, restricting, not good fuel for higher heart rate zones. No improvement in health. Awful transition period. Electrolyte armageddon.
Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?
I've hit my fat percentage, health and performance targets with a traditional diet.
Also, you can't compare a normal carb inclusive diet with something like nicotine, alcohol or class a drug taking. That's not logical.
Can't socialize? What? You couldn't say no to mashed potatoes, fries, or bread? Go out to eat - get a burger wrapped in lettuce, get a steak with a side of broccoli, get a chicken salad with dressing on the side (Caesar is my favorite and only 1g net carb), et cetera.
I'm only a week inand can tell you for a fact that I've already been out and about eating Keto with friends and family. No issue. Maybe there would have been an issue if I weren't in the mindset that this was what I wanted to do.
Something tells me you were already sabotaging yourself to begin with: "Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?"
If you don't want to live Keto or low carb, that's fine for you. But to compare your experience to being a healthy, active Keto lifestyle is honestly a little laughable because of how you described it.
As far as Keto Flu, or "electrolyte Armageddon" as you put it, just eat the right foods. Spinach contains both magnesium and potassium, tuna contains a *kitten*-ton of magnesium. It's about changing your perspective on food. Not complaining about having to do something.
And you actually can. There are hundreds of reports by WHO and other medical professionals that have compared and proven that sugar addiction is just as addictive as substance abuse drugs.
Firstly, it may be a good idea if you try out this lifestyle for longer than a week before coming to conclusions. I did this for years, diligently, and after the initial excitement and water loss the negs started creeping in. After a couple of months you'll start thinking about all the food you're missing, especially if you are young and social.
I came to the conclusions after trying both lifestyles. You need to read my post again. I hit fitness goals that I could never have done without glycogen in my system.
Of course I took electrolytes, and I was eating high nutrient food. Still felt like my brain was dying. Which it kind of was.
There is no such thing as sugar addiction, possibly mental, but not like drugs, please post a specific scientific study that proves this.
Good luck, Mrs One Week In!
I have friends who have been living this lifestyle for 5+ years. They're perfectly fine. I've seen how they eat and it's not hard. Skip chips, potatoes, high sugary things, et cetera. I've already faced making my son's birthday cake, getting the ice cream for the party, everyone eating macaroni and cheese, but I didn't even think twice as I was having my bratwurst wrapped in deli sliced chipotle cheese and my side salad with my favorite dressing. If I wanted to have something sweet, which I didn't, I could have had a strawberry or two or a handful of raspberries.
I am young and I am social. Does this mean I should be eating things other than what's Keto? What does this imply? If you are hanging out with people who thinks it is strange that you pass on the fries and instead get broccoli or a salad with a steak, shrimp, chicken, et cetera then you have some crappy friends.
Or is this all about the alcohol? Vodkas have no carbs and hard ciders are low.
Just because I haven't personally lived it for longer than a week doesn't mean I don't know how it works. Again, you seemed to be against it anyway because of how profoundly you describe your passion for these other foods, which is perfectly fine for you. Again. Just fine for you, but then you obviously weren't in the mindset at the time of eating this way and were treating it like a chore.
Why couldn't you have hit certain goals? Two of my friends are major athletic buffs. They take me to the gym, I take them out fishing, haha! While living the Keto way, the body gets all of its necessary glucose from the proteins you consume. If you aren't reaching an adequate amount of protein, you won't build and you won't be feeding your organs right.
If you felt like your brain was dying then you weren't doing it right. What were your macros? Potassium is 1,000mg, Magnesium 300mg, Sodium 5,000mg. And I did read your post. Nothing I commented on was based off anything you didn't say. I know you said you lived this lifestyle, but I also noted that you were sabotaging yourself to begin with because you were treating it like a chore and how you fondly describe the things you wanted otherwise.
Here you go: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2235907/
When you are performing at over lactate threshold the body cannot convert body fat fast enough, you only need to look at competitive athletes diets to see how important carbs are.
I gave myself fully to the lifestyle, absolutely no sabotage, did it longer than most, believed all the hype, but it is very inefficient and expensive compared to eating .8g protein per body weight, 50-70g of fat and lots of different releasing carbs, which is more in line with a typical sports diet. Why give up so many things when it didn't benefit me, and I was less fit, less bright, not able to join in and eat the same as others, and much more expensive?
Why are you doing it? For appetite control? Weight loss? Beware that a lot of the weight loss is water and glycogen loss and when you go back to eating normally with your family there will be a jump up in weight.
I will read the article but I'll be very surprised if I'm convinced. Edit, first line of report mentions excessive sugar intake, not relevant to moderate intake. Excessive intake of anything will cause problems. Being a dual nationality Brit and American, I'm always struck by how extreme things are in the states, I think it harks back to Prohibition.
Restriction is a very difficult answer to over consumption. Particularly if you enjoy food.
Better to moderate all your favorite things(hopefully you have a fondness of healthy food) and keep within a calorie budget, hitting good macros and micros.0 -
Springfield1970 wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »drwilseyjr wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »You should listen to your body. It's telling you something.
@Springfield1970 Switching to a keto diet has initial side effects as your body transitions from a carb-based energy to fat-based. Everything OP is experiencing is pretty normal for the initial transition.
You're assuming I haven't done this. It's something I 'lived' for a couple of years, but honestly it just doesn't beat eating a flexible protein carb and fat based diet, especially for someone who likes to train over lactate threshold.
I also found it impossible to socialise.
Conclusion, expensive, restricting, not good fuel for higher heart rate zones. No improvement in health. Awful transition period. Electrolyte armageddon.
Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?
I've hit my fat percentage, health and performance targets with a traditional diet.
Also, you can't compare a normal carb inclusive diet with something like nicotine, alcohol or class a drug taking. That's not logical.
Can't socialize? What? You couldn't say no to mashed potatoes, fries, or bread? Go out to eat - get a burger wrapped in lettuce, get a steak with a side of broccoli, get a chicken salad with dressing on the side (Caesar is my favorite and only 1g net carb), et cetera.
I'm only a week inand can tell you for a fact that I've already been out and about eating Keto with friends and family. No issue. Maybe there would have been an issue if I weren't in the mindset that this was what I wanted to do.
Something tells me you were already sabotaging yourself to begin with: "Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?"
If you don't want to live Keto or low carb, that's fine for you. But to compare your experience to being a healthy, active Keto lifestyle is honestly a little laughable because of how you described it.
As far as Keto Flu, or "electrolyte Armageddon" as you put it, just eat the right foods. Spinach contains both magnesium and potassium, tuna contains a *kitten*-ton of magnesium. It's about changing your perspective on food. Not complaining about having to do something.
And you actually can. There are hundreds of reports by WHO and other medical professionals that have compared and proven that sugar addiction is just as addictive as substance abuse drugs.
Firstly, it may be a good idea if you try out this lifestyle for longer than a week before coming to conclusions. I did this for years, diligently, and after the initial excitement and water loss the negs started creeping in. After a couple of months you'll start thinking about all the food you're missing, especially if you are young and social.
I came to the conclusions after trying both lifestyles. You need to read my post again. I hit fitness goals that I could never have done without glycogen in my system.
Of course I took electrolytes, and I was eating high nutrient food. Still felt like my brain was dying. Which it kind of was.
There is no such thing as sugar addiction, possibly mental, but not like drugs, please post a specific scientific study that proves this.
Good luck, Mrs One Week In!
I have friends who have been living this lifestyle for 5+ years. They're perfectly fine. I've seen how they eat and it's not hard. Skip chips, potatoes, high sugary things, et cetera. I've already faced making my son's birthday cake, getting the ice cream for the party, everyone eating macaroni and cheese, but I didn't even think twice as I was having my bratwurst wrapped in deli sliced chipotle cheese and my side salad with my favorite dressing. If I wanted to have something sweet, which I didn't, I could have had a strawberry or two or a handful of raspberries.
I am young and I am social. Does this mean I should be eating things other than what's Keto? What does this imply? If you are hanging out with people who thinks it is strange that you pass on the fries and instead get broccoli or a salad with a steak, shrimp, chicken, et cetera then you have some crappy friends.
Or is this all about the alcohol? Vodkas have no carbs and hard ciders are low.
Just because I haven't personally lived it for longer than a week doesn't mean I don't know how it works. Again, you seemed to be against it anyway because of how profoundly you describe your passion for these other foods, which is perfectly fine for you. Again. Just fine for you, but then you obviously weren't in the mindset at the time of eating this way and were treating it like a chore.
Why couldn't you have hit certain goals? Two of my friends are major athletic buffs. They take me to the gym, I take them out fishing, haha! While living the Keto way, the body gets all of its necessary glucose from the proteins you consume. If you aren't reaching an adequate amount of protein, you won't build and you won't be feeding your organs right.
If you felt like your brain was dying then you weren't doing it right. What were your macros? Potassium is 1,000mg, Magnesium 300mg, Sodium 5,000mg. And I did read your post. Nothing I commented on was based off anything you didn't say. I know you said you lived this lifestyle, but I also noted that you were sabotaging yourself to begin with because you were treating it like a chore and how you fondly describe the things you wanted otherwise.
Here you go: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2235907/
When you are performing at over lactate threshold the body cannot convert body fat fast enough, you only need to look at competitive athletes diets to see how important carbs are.
I gave myself fully to the lifestyle, absolutely no sabotage, did it longer than most, believed all the hype, but it is very inefficient and expensive compared to eating .8g protein per body weight, 50-70g of fat and lots of different releasing carbs, which is more in line with a typical sports diet. Why give up so many things when it didn't benefit me, and I was less fit, less bright, not able to join in and eat the same as others, and much more expensive?
Why are you doing it? For appetite control? Weight loss? Beware that a lot of the weight loss is water and glycogen loss and when you go back to eating normally with your family there will be a jump up in weight.
I will read the article but I'll be very surprised if I'm convinced. Edit, first line mentions excessive sugar intake, not relevant to moderate intake.
I just said my friends are athlete buffs and plenty of people in competitive sports are eating low carb/keto. I'm trying to remember this one guy's name, he's a football player, he was advocating it once too some time back. Swimmers and runners, too. Check out /r/ketogains sometime. You'll see what I mean.
Why do you say eating this way is expensive? I'm a mother of three with a husband who is a ravenous blackhole, but you'd never guess with how tall and lanky he is. We make just enough to pay the rent, bills, baby stuff, kid stuff, and groceries. If you are implying buying all of the special things like almond flours, sugar free syrups, et cetera, then those were never absolutely necessary.
Chicken thighs (bone in, skin on) are the cheapest meaty parts of the chicken and are excellent in fats and moderate protein. Chicken drumsticks come up in second place. Ground beef is dirt cheap when it's higher in fats. Albacore canned tuna is perhaps a $1.00 per can, but can be bought for $0.75 at Walmarts. Buying frozen veggies is cheaper than fresh veggies (like broccoli and cauliflower) and buying spinach and romaine in the bundles is way cheaper than buying the pre-washed bagged stuff. Cheeses are way cheaper bought as blocks, too.
I'm doing it because it's making me happy. I feel in control of my eating habits, I don't crave things, I don't boredom eat anymore, I have jogged further than I ever have before, I'm able to think clearly more than ever, and so on. I'm going to start doing lifts next week once I get an established babysitter. And I don't plan on eating the SAD (Standard American Diet) ever. My family is also making the transition to going low carb, too.
My husband is already starting the KetoGains way to build muscle and after yesterday (my son's birthday), the breads have been removed and anything overly starchy. Just fresh, whole foods in the house.
What do you think is excessive? How many grams of sugar do you think you take in a day? Women shouldn't be having more than 25g of sugar a day. Are you saying you are consuming less than that a day? Anything over 25g of sugar a day is excessive.0 -
Springfield1970 wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »drwilseyjr wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »You should listen to your body. It's telling you something.
@Springfield1970 Switching to a keto diet has initial side effects as your body transitions from a carb-based energy to fat-based. Everything OP is experiencing is pretty normal for the initial transition.
You're assuming I haven't done this. It's something I 'lived' for a couple of years, but honestly it just doesn't beat eating a flexible protein carb and fat based diet, especially for someone who likes to train over lactate threshold.
I also found it impossible to socialise.
Conclusion, expensive, restricting, not good fuel for higher heart rate zones. No improvement in health. Awful transition period. Electrolyte armageddon.
Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?
I've hit my fat percentage, health and performance targets with a traditional diet.
Also, you can't compare a normal carb inclusive diet with something like nicotine, alcohol or class a drug taking. That's not logical.
Can't socialize? What? You couldn't say no to mashed potatoes, fries, or bread? Go out to eat - get a burger wrapped in lettuce, get a steak with a side of broccoli, get a chicken salad with dressing on the side (Caesar is my favorite and only 1g net carb), et cetera.
I'm only a week inand can tell you for a fact that I've already been out and about eating Keto with friends and family. No issue. Maybe there would have been an issue if I weren't in the mindset that this was what I wanted to do.
Something tells me you were already sabotaging yourself to begin with: "Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?"
If you don't want to live Keto or low carb, that's fine for you. But to compare your experience to being a healthy, active Keto lifestyle is honestly a little laughable because of how you described it.
As far as Keto Flu, or "electrolyte Armageddon" as you put it, just eat the right foods. Spinach contains both magnesium and potassium, tuna contains a *kitten*-ton of magnesium. It's about changing your perspective on food. Not complaining about having to do something.
And you actually can. There are hundreds of reports by WHO and other medical professionals that have compared and proven that sugar addiction is just as addictive as substance abuse drugs.
Firstly, it may be a good idea if you try out this lifestyle for longer than a week before coming to conclusions. I did this for years, diligently, and after the initial excitement and water loss the negs started creeping in. After a couple of months you'll start thinking about all the food you're missing, especially if you are young and social.
I came to the conclusions after trying both lifestyles. You need to read my post again. I hit fitness goals that I could never have done without glycogen in my system.
Of course I took electrolytes, and I was eating high nutrient food. Still felt like my brain was dying. Which it kind of was.
There is no such thing as sugar addiction, possibly mental, but not like drugs, please post a specific scientific study that proves this.
Good luck, Mrs One Week In!
I have friends who have been living this lifestyle for 5+ years. They're perfectly fine. I've seen how they eat and it's not hard. Skip chips, potatoes, high sugary things, et cetera. I've already faced making my son's birthday cake, getting the ice cream for the party, everyone eating macaroni and cheese, but I didn't even think twice as I was having my bratwurst wrapped in deli sliced chipotle cheese and my side salad with my favorite dressing. If I wanted to have something sweet, which I didn't, I could have had a strawberry or two or a handful of raspberries.
I am young and I am social. Does this mean I should be eating things other than what's Keto? What does this imply? If you are hanging out with people who thinks it is strange that you pass on the fries and instead get broccoli or a salad with a steak, shrimp, chicken, et cetera then you have some crappy friends.
Or is this all about the alcohol? Vodkas have no carbs and hard ciders are low.
Just because I haven't personally lived it for longer than a week doesn't mean I don't know how it works. Again, you seemed to be against it anyway because of how profoundly you describe your passion for these other foods, which is perfectly fine for you. Again. Just fine for you, but then you obviously weren't in the mindset at the time of eating this way and were treating it like a chore.
Why couldn't you have hit certain goals? Two of my friends are major athletic buffs. They take me to the gym, I take them out fishing, haha! While living the Keto way, the body gets all of its necessary glucose from the proteins you consume. If you aren't reaching an adequate amount of protein, you won't build and you won't be feeding your organs right.
If you felt like your brain was dying then you weren't doing it right. What were your macros? Potassium is 1,000mg, Magnesium 300mg, Sodium 5,000mg. And I did read your post. Nothing I commented on was based off anything you didn't say. I know you said you lived this lifestyle, but I also noted that you were sabotaging yourself to begin with because you were treating it like a chore and how you fondly describe the things you wanted otherwise.
Here you go: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2235907/
When you are performing at over lactate threshold the body cannot convert body fat fast enough, you only need to look at competitive athletes diets to see how important carbs are.
I gave myself fully to the lifestyle, absolutely no sabotage, did it longer than most, believed all the hype, but it is very inefficient and expensive compared to eating .8g protein per body weight, 50-70g of fat and lots of different releasing carbs, which is more in line with a typical sports diet. Why give up so many things when it didn't benefit me, and I was less fit, less bright, not able to join in and eat the same as others, and much more expensive?
Why are you doing it? For appetite control? Weight loss? Beware that a lot of the weight loss is water and glycogen loss and when you go back to eating normally with your family there will be a jump up in weight.
I will read the article but I'll be very surprised if I'm convinced. Edit, first line mentions excessive sugar intake, not relevant to moderate intake.
I just said my friends are athlete buffs and plenty of people in competitive sports are eating low carb/keto. I'm trying to remember this one guy's name, he's a football player, he was advocating it once too some time back. Swimmers and runners, too. Check out /r/ketogains sometime. You'll see what I mean.
Why do you say eating this way is expensive? I'm a mother of three with a husband who is a ravenous blackhole, but you'd never guess with how tall and lanky he is. We make just enough to pay the rent, bills, baby stuff, kid stuff, and groceries. If you are implying buying all of the special things like almond flours, sugar free syrups, et cetera, then those were never absolutely necessary.
Chicken thighs (bone in, skin on) are the cheapest meaty parts of the chicken and are excellent in fats and moderate protein. Chicken drumsticks come up in second place. Ground beef is dirt cheap when it's higher in fats. Albacore canned tuna is perhaps a $1.00 per can, but can be bought for $0.75 at Walmarts. Buying frozen veggies is cheaper than fresh veggies (like broccoli and cauliflower) and buying spinach and romaine in the bundles is way cheaper than buying the pre-washed bagged stuff. Cheeses are way cheaper bought as blocks, too.
I'm doing it because it's making me happy. I feel in control of my eating habits, I don't crave things, I don't boredom eat anymore, I have jogged further than I ever have before, I'm able to think clearly more than ever, and so on. I'm going to start doing lifts next week once I get an established babysitter. And I don't plan on eating the SAD (Standard American Diet) ever. My family is also making the transition to going low carb, too.
My husband is already starting the KetoGains way to build muscle and after yesterday (my son's birthday), the breads have been removed and anything overly starchy. Just fresh, whole foods in the house.
What do you think is excessive? How many grams of sugar do you think you take in a day? Women shouldn't be having more than 25g of sugar a day. Are you saying you are consuming less than that a day? Anything over 25g of sugar a day is excessive.
Yeah, agreed with Nif here. Grocery shopping has been way cheaper for me since I've been doing the lowcarb/keto thing. If you're not trying to replace and make alternative foods for things you use to enjoy, like keto breads or cakes or whatever, things are not expensive if you just don't eat those things.
Then again, I prefer zucchini noodles over pasta anyway before I did keto so really it sounds like it's just preference. Sounds as if you were thinking about it as all the foods you can't have, kind of mindset. And if you don't feel that it would work out for you and your attempts, then that's okay. But to make a generalizing statement that it doesn't work for everyone is a bit silly. I could provide you with another gains anecdote but I doubt you'll be convinced.
So point is, it didn't work for you. And that's okay. It may work for others and their choices to do it is okay too! Telling those people they are wrong though, that's not okay.
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Yes Oddly, I agree with you and Nif as well.Some people's post aren't even worthy of a response as far as I'm concerned.oddlyotter wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »drwilseyjr wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »You should listen to your body. It's telling you something.
@Springfield1970 Switching to a keto diet has initial side effects as your body transitions from a carb-based energy to fat-based. Everything OP is experiencing is pretty normal for the initial transition.
You're assuming I haven't done this. It's something I 'lived' for a couple of years, but honestly it just doesn't beat eating a flexible protein carb and fat based diet, especially for someone who likes to train over lactate threshold.
I also found it impossible to socialise.
Conclusion, expensive, restricting, not good fuel for higher heart rate zones. No improvement in health. Awful transition period. Electrolyte armageddon.
Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?
I've hit my fat percentage, health and performance targets with a traditional diet.
Also, you can't compare a normal carb inclusive diet with something like nicotine, alcohol or class a drug taking. That's not logical.
Can't socialize? What? You couldn't say no to mashed potatoes, fries, or bread? Go out to eat - get a burger wrapped in lettuce, get a steak with a side of broccoli, get a chicken salad with dressing on the side (Caesar is my favorite and only 1g net carb), et cetera.
I'm only a week inand can tell you for a fact that I've already been out and about eating Keto with friends and family. No issue. Maybe there would have been an issue if I weren't in the mindset that this was what I wanted to do.
Something tells me you were already sabotaging yourself to begin with: "Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?"
If you don't want to live Keto or low carb, that's fine for you. But to compare your experience to being a healthy, active Keto lifestyle is honestly a little laughable because of how you described it.
As far as Keto Flu, or "electrolyte Armageddon" as you put it, just eat the right foods. Spinach contains both magnesium and potassium, tuna contains a *kitten*-ton of magnesium. It's about changing your perspective on food. Not complaining about having to do something.
And you actually can. There are hundreds of reports by WHO and other medical professionals that have compared and proven that sugar addiction is just as addictive as substance abuse drugs.
Firstly, it may be a good idea if you try out this lifestyle for longer than a week before coming to conclusions. I did this for years, diligently, and after the initial excitement and water loss the negs started creeping in. After a couple of months you'll start thinking about all the food you're missing, especially if you are young and social.
I came to the conclusions after trying both lifestyles. You need to read my post again. I hit fitness goals that I could never have done without glycogen in my system.
Of course I took electrolytes, and I was eating high nutrient food. Still felt like my brain was dying. Which it kind of was.
There is no such thing as sugar addiction, possibly mental, but not like drugs, please post a specific scientific study that proves this.
Good luck, Mrs One Week In!
I have friends who have been living this lifestyle for 5+ years. They're perfectly fine. I've seen how they eat and it's not hard. Skip chips, potatoes, high sugary things, et cetera. I've already faced making my son's birthday cake, getting the ice cream for the party, everyone eating macaroni and cheese, but I didn't even think twice as I was having my bratwurst wrapped in deli sliced chipotle cheese and my side salad with my favorite dressing. If I wanted to have something sweet, which I didn't, I could have had a strawberry or two or a handful of raspberries.
I am young and I am social. Does this mean I should be eating things other than what's Keto? What does this imply? If you are hanging out with people who thinks it is strange that you pass on the fries and instead get broccoli or a salad with a steak, shrimp, chicken, et cetera then you have some crappy friends.
Or is this all about the alcohol? Vodkas have no carbs and hard ciders are low.
Just because I haven't personally lived it for longer than a week doesn't mean I don't know how it works. Again, you seemed to be against it anyway because of how profoundly you describe your passion for these other foods, which is perfectly fine for you. Again. Just fine for you, but then you obviously weren't in the mindset at the time of eating this way and were treating it like a chore.
Why couldn't you have hit certain goals? Two of my friends are major athletic buffs. They take me to the gym, I take them out fishing, haha! While living the Keto way, the body gets all of its necessary glucose from the proteins you consume. If you aren't reaching an adequate amount of protein, you won't build and you won't be feeding your organs right.
If you felt like your brain was dying then you weren't doing it right. What were your macros? Potassium is 1,000mg, Magnesium 300mg, Sodium 5,000mg. And I did read your post. Nothing I commented on was based off anything you didn't say. I know you said you lived this lifestyle, but I also noted that you were sabotaging yourself to begin with because you were treating it like a chore and how you fondly describe the things you wanted otherwise.
Here you go: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2235907/
When you are performing at over lactate threshold the body cannot convert body fat fast enough, you only need to look at competitive athletes diets to see how important carbs are.
I gave myself fully to the lifestyle, absolutely no sabotage, did it longer than most, believed all the hype, but it is very inefficient and expensive compared to eating .8g protein per body weight, 50-70g of fat and lots of different releasing carbs, which is more in line with a typical sports diet. Why give up so many things when it didn't benefit me, and I was less fit, less bright, not able to join in and eat the same as others, and much more expensive?
Why are you doing it? For appetite control? Weight loss? Beware that a lot of the weight loss is water and glycogen loss and when you go back to eating normally with your family there will be a jump up in weight.
I will read the article but I'll be very surprised if I'm convinced. Edit, first line mentions excessive sugar intake, not relevant to moderate intake.
I just said my friends are athlete buffs and plenty of people in competitive sports are eating low carb/keto. I'm trying to remember this one guy's name, he's a football player, he was advocating it once too some time back. Swimmers and runners, too. Check out /r/ketogains sometime. You'll see what I mean.
Why do you say eating this way is expensive? I'm a mother of three with a husband who is a ravenous blackhole, but you'd never guess with how tall and lanky he is. We make just enough to pay the rent, bills, baby stuff, kid stuff, and groceries. If you are implying buying all of the special things like almond flours, sugar free syrups, et cetera, then those were never absolutely necessary.
Chicken thighs (bone in, skin on) are the cheapest meaty parts of the chicken and are excellent in fats and moderate protein. Chicken drumsticks come up in second place. Ground beef is dirt cheap when it's higher in fats. Albacore canned tuna is perhaps a $1.00 per can, but can be bought for $0.75 at Walmarts. Buying frozen veggies is cheaper than fresh veggies (like broccoli and cauliflower) and buying spinach and romaine in the bundles is way cheaper than buying the pre-washed bagged stuff. Cheeses are way cheaper bought as blocks, too.
I'm doing it because it's making me happy. I feel in control of my eating habits, I don't crave things, I don't boredom eat anymore, I have jogged further than I ever have before, I'm able to think clearly more than ever, and so on. I'm going to start doing lifts next week once I get an established babysitter. And I don't plan on eating the SAD (Standard American Diet) ever. My family is also making the transition to going low carb, too.
My husband is already starting the KetoGains way to build muscle and after yesterday (my son's birthday), the breads have been removed and anything overly starchy. Just fresh, whole foods in the house.
What do you think is excessive? How many grams of sugar do you think you take in a day? Women shouldn't be having more than 25g of sugar a day. Are you saying you are consuming less than that a day? Anything over 25g of sugar a day is excessive.
Yeah, agreed with Nif here. Grocery shopping has been way cheaper for me since I've been doing the lowcarb/keto thing. If you're not trying to replace and make alternative foods for things you use to enjoy, like keto breads or cakes or whatever, things are not expensive if you just don't eat those things.
Then again, I prefer zucchini noodles over pasta anyway before I did keto so really it sounds like it's just preference. Sounds as if you were thinking about it as all the foods you can't have, kind of mindset. And if you don't feel that it would work out for you and your attempts, then that's okay. But to make a generalizing statement that it doesn't work for everyone is a bit silly. I could provide you with another gains anecdote but I doubt you'll be convinced.
So point is, it didn't work for you. And that's okay. It may work for others and their choices to do it is okay too! Telling those people they are wrong though, that's not okay.
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Springfield1970 wrote: »You should listen to your body. It's telling you something.
Yes, your body is telling you that it has upregulated the enzymes needed for ketone metabolism.0 -
Just starting on the LCHF path and I am highly interested because i love veggies, fruits ( i need to do less), and really don't care for meat. I need to find other methods of protein that will fill me up. Looking for like minded folks please friend me on MFP.0
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Just starting on the LCHF path and I am highly interested because i love veggies, fruits ( i need to do less), and really don't care for meat. I need to find other methods of protein that will fill me up. Looking for like minded folks please friend me on MFP.
This may be for you, then.https://www.reddit.com/r/vegetarianketo 0 -
KennyLaguna2016 wrote: »@GaleHawkins thanks for the words! I may have spoken a little too soon...can't seem to kick this headache I've had for about 4 days now. It was subsiding yesterday, but back today. I've tried to up my salt intake a bit, but hasn't seemed to help much. Any suggestions? Thanks a million!
Join a keto forum, they have so many tricks. I had to take many electrolyte supplements when I was on a ketogenic diet.
And just as a "word of warning" I'm one of those who did keto great and had wonderful success then gained most back once I decided I couldn't avoid all carbs for my entire life.0 -
I did the keto diet last year and lost 25lbs. I didn't gain it all back after I quit. I've started it back up just a few days ago. Hoping to lose another 50lbs.
I hear a lot of people say they gain it right back. I'm starting to think I'm the only one to didn't gain back lol.
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