"Keto flu" finally gone!
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KennyLaguna2016
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Wow that was no joke! Lasted about 4 days but it's all good now. Feeling pretty damn good actually. Nice to know my body is starting to adjust!
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@KennyLaguna2016 welcome to MFP forums. My first 90 days of Nutritional Ketosis was a learning curving for sure but 1.5 years in it is the best way of eating that I have experience in my 65 years. Best of success.0
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@GaleHawkins thanks for the words! I may have spoken a little too soon...can't seem to kick this headache I've had for about 4 days now. It was subsiding yesterday, but back today. I've tried to up my salt intake a bit, but hasn't seemed to help much. Any suggestions? Thanks a million!0
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Try drinking some bone broth or, failing that, get some mio sport. The culprit is electrolytes, so supplementing salt can help, but also make sure to keep an eye on your other electrolyte levels; I used to have a really hard time with potassium, in particular. Hope this helps!0
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Hi there! If I may, the one thing that always worked for me when I was going through the "induction" phase was to make a little "keto gatorade". Pick up some Morton's "Lite" salt...the key here is they replace part of the NaCl with potassium chloride, and the potassium is what really helped me kick that headache and "foggy" feeling. I'd make a big water bottle with some Mio sweetener, and throw in a couple teaspoons of the lite salt. Worked better than sipping broth all day and I didn't feel like I was having chicken soup for breakfast :-P
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You should listen to your body. It's telling you something.0
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KennyLaguna2016 wrote: »@GaleHawkins thanks for the words! I may have spoken a little too soon...can't seem to kick this headache I've had for about 4 days now. It was subsiding yesterday, but back today. I've tried to up my salt intake a bit, but hasn't seemed to help much. Any suggestions? Thanks a million!
As well as what everyone else mentioned, you could be experiencing withdrawal from sugars. It's happened to some switching to a keto diet and usually disappears after a week or so.
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Springfield1970 wrote: »You should listen to your body. It's telling you something.
@Springfield1970 Switching to a keto diet has initial side effects as your body transitions from a carb-based energy to fat-based. Everything OP is experiencing is pretty normal for the initial transition.
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@Springfield1970 with all due respect...many years ago when I quit using drugs, if I "listened to my body" I would still be doing them. If I listened to my body when I quit smoking cigarettes, I would still be smoking. I honestly believe this is more of a transition stage.
What exactly is "mio sweetener?" How much salt should be added for the Keto gatoraid ?
@drwilseyjr a buddy of mine at work also mentioned it could be carb/sugar withdrawal. Very possible.
I've also had a sore throat that hasn't quite disappeared yet. My doctor thought it was an infection so she put me on antibiotics. They didn't do a thing. Is a sore throat also common for beginning Keto?
Thank you all so much for the replies!!0 -
I recently went from a very high carb way of eating to a much less carb lower calorie way of eating and even that gave me carb withdrawl. Sore throat off and on, headaches and listlessness. Not fun. I think when/if your body will use fat for the energy it used to get from carbs you will feel better. In my case when I went on th atkins approach, the switch over never happened. Best wishes to you on this!0
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I haven't heard of sore throat being a side effect.0
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@KennyLaguna2016 as a warning about my post my mind cases rabbits plus I may be replying in 3-4 totally different forums at the same time about 3-4 unrelated subject matters.
All my point was that just about anything can happen in the first 90 dates physically or mentally as one moves from living mainly on carbs to mainly fats.
As @drwilseyjr mentioned about withdrawal my first two weeks was hellish due to leaving sugar and all forms of grains cold turkey after never being able to taper off. After two weeks the cravings just started fading fast but it really was 90 before weird stuff stopped or I adjusted to it.
@Gamliela you make a good point. A body addicted to even harmful stuff can still demand we keep ingesting it.0 -
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The first time I went through Paleo Flu, I thought I had some sickness. Even the doc thought I had something. Prescribed antibiotics! I think it was a mixture of switching over AND withdrawls from carb/sugar. I would echo about what others are mentioning about electolites. I starting taking a 1/2 tsp of pink sea salt with water twice a day and it REALLY helped.0
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Thanks again everyone for the replies!!0
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Hello all!
Quick question... I honestly feel I have passed the Keto flu stage for good! I feel fine, no headaches, no sore throat, nothing. I'm now wondering if/when I should stop taking the magnesium supplement, and the "ketoaid " drink I have been drinking daily to supplement my potassium and sodium? I've been drinking about a 1/4 teaspoon of lite salt as well as a 1/4 teaspoon of pink sea salt.
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drwilseyjr wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »You should listen to your body. It's telling you something.
@Springfield1970 Switching to a keto diet has initial side effects as your body transitions from a carb-based energy to fat-based. Everything OP is experiencing is pretty normal for the initial transition.
You're assuming I haven't done this. It's something I 'lived' for a couple of years, but honestly it just doesn't beat eating a flexible protein carb and fat based diet, especially for someone who likes to train over lactate threshold.
I also found it impossible to socialise.
Conclusion, expensive, restricting, not good fuel for higher heart rate zones. No improvement in health. Awful transition period. Electrolyte armageddon.
Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?
I've hit my fat percentage, health and performance targets with a traditional diet.
Also, you can't compare a normal carb inclusive diet with something like nicotine, alcohol or class a drug taking. That's not logical.0 -
Springfield1970 wrote: »drwilseyjr wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »You should listen to your body. It's telling you something.
@Springfield1970 Switching to a keto diet has initial side effects as your body transitions from a carb-based energy to fat-based. Everything OP is experiencing is pretty normal for the initial transition.
You're assuming I haven't done this. It's something I 'lived' for a couple of years, but honestly it just doesn't beat eating a flexible protein carb and fat based diet, especially for someone who likes to train over lactate threshold.
I also found it impossible to socialise.
Conclusion, expensive, restricting, not good fuel for higher heart rate zones. No improvement in health. Awful transition period. Electrolyte armageddon.
Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?
I've hit my fat percentage, health and performance targets with a traditional diet.
Also, you can't compare a normal carb inclusive diet with something like nicotine, alcohol or class a drug taking. That's not logical.
Sometimes it doesn't work for everyone. That's okay. Not sure why you couldn't socialize while eating differently, I guess all your socializing was around food? Sorry you felt you couldn't do that.
Others though, they find success with other ways of eating. Different things work for different people because our bodies are all different.
Good luck with your own choices though! They seem to work out for you well.
And glad you got over the hump Kenny!0 -
Springfield1970 wrote: »drwilseyjr wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »You should listen to your body. It's telling you something.
@Springfield1970 Switching to a keto diet has initial side effects as your body transitions from a carb-based energy to fat-based. Everything OP is experiencing is pretty normal for the initial transition.
You're assuming I haven't done this. It's something I 'lived' for a couple of years, but honestly it just doesn't beat eating a flexible protein carb and fat based diet, especially for someone who likes to train over lactate threshold.
I also found it impossible to socialise.
Conclusion, expensive, restricting, not good fuel for higher heart rate zones. No improvement in health. Awful transition period. Electrolyte armageddon.
Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?
I've hit my fat percentage, health and performance targets with a traditional diet.
Also, you can't compare a normal carb inclusive diet with something like nicotine, alcohol or class a drug taking. That's not logical.
Can't socialize? What? You couldn't say no to mashed potatoes, fries, or bread? Go out to eat - get a burger wrapped in lettuce, get a steak with a side of broccoli, get a chicken salad with dressing on the side (Caesar is my favorite and only 1g net carb), et cetera.
I'm only a week in and can tell you for a fact that I've already been out and about eating Keto with friends and family. No issue. Maybe there would have been an issue if I weren't in the mindset that this was what I wanted to do.
Something tells me you were already sabotaging yourself to begin with: "Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?"
If you don't want to live Keto or low carb, that's fine for you. But to compare your experience to being a healthy, active Keto lifestyle is honestly a little laughable because of how you described it.
As far as Keto Flu, or "electrolyte Armageddon" as you put it, just eat the right foods. Spinach contains both magnesium and potassium, tuna contains a *kitten*-ton of magnesium. It's about changing your perspective on food. Not complaining about having to do something.
And you actually can. There are hundreds of reports by WHO and other medical professionals that have compared and proven that sugar addiction is just as addictive as substance abuse drugs.0 -
Springfield1970 wrote: »drwilseyjr wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »You should listen to your body. It's telling you something.
@Springfield1970 Switching to a keto diet has initial side effects as your body transitions from a carb-based energy to fat-based. Everything OP is experiencing is pretty normal for the initial transition.
You're assuming I haven't done this. It's something I 'lived' for a couple of years, but honestly it just doesn't beat eating a flexible protein carb and fat based diet, especially for someone who likes to train over lactate threshold.
I also found it impossible to socialise.
Conclusion, expensive, restricting, not good fuel for higher heart rate zones. No improvement in health. Awful transition period. Electrolyte armageddon.
Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?
I've hit my fat percentage, health and performance targets with a traditional diet.
Also, you can't compare a normal carb inclusive diet with something like nicotine, alcohol or class a drug taking. That's not logical.
Can't socialize? What? You couldn't say no to mashed potatoes, fries, or bread? Go out to eat - get a burger wrapped in lettuce, get a steak with a side of broccoli, get a chicken salad with dressing on the side (Caesar is my favorite and only 1g net carb), et cetera.
I'm only a week inand can tell you for a fact that I've already been out and about eating Keto with friends and family. No issue. Maybe there would have been an issue if I weren't in the mindset that this was what I wanted to do.
Something tells me you were already sabotaging yourself to begin with: "Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?"
If you don't want to live Keto or low carb, that's fine for you. But to compare your experience to being a healthy, active Keto lifestyle is honestly a little laughable because of how you described it.
As far as Keto Flu, or "electrolyte Armageddon" as you put it, just eat the right foods. Spinach contains both magnesium and potassium, tuna contains a *kitten*-ton of magnesium. It's about changing your perspective on food. Not complaining about having to do something.
And you actually can. There are hundreds of reports by WHO and other medical professionals that have compared and proven that sugar addiction is just as addictive as substance abuse drugs.
Firstly, it may be a good idea if you try out this lifestyle for longer than a week before coming to conclusions. I did this for years, diligently, and after the initial excitement and water loss the negs started creeping in. After a couple of months you'll start thinking about all the food you're missing, especially if you are young and social.
I came to the conclusions after trying both lifestyles. You need to read my post again. I hit fitness goals that I could never have done without glycogen in my system.
Of course I took electrolytes, and I was eating high nutrient food. Still felt like my brain was dying. Which it kind of was.
There is no such thing as sugar addiction, possibly mental, but not like drugs, please post a specific scientific study that proves this.
Good luck, Mrs One Week In!
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Springfield1970 wrote: »drwilseyjr wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »You should listen to your body. It's telling you something.
@Springfield1970 Switching to a keto diet has initial side effects as your body transitions from a carb-based energy to fat-based. Everything OP is experiencing is pretty normal for the initial transition.
You're assuming I haven't done this. It's something I 'lived' for a couple of years, but honestly it just doesn't beat eating a flexible protein carb and fat based diet, especially for someone who likes to train over lactate threshold.
I also found it impossible to socialise.
Conclusion, expensive, restricting, not good fuel for higher heart rate zones. No improvement in health. Awful transition period. Electrolyte armageddon.
Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?
I've hit my fat percentage, health and performance targets with a traditional diet.
Also, you can't compare a normal carb inclusive diet with something like nicotine, alcohol or class a drug taking. That's not logical.
Can't socialize? What? You couldn't say no to mashed potatoes, fries, or bread? Go out to eat - get a burger wrapped in lettuce, get a steak with a side of broccoli, get a chicken salad with dressing on the side (Caesar is my favorite and only 1g net carb), et cetera.
I'm only a week in and can tell you for a fact that I've already been out and about eating Keto with friends and family. No issue. Maybe there would have been an issue if I weren't in the mindset that this was what I wanted to do.
Something tells me you were already sabotaging yourself to begin with: "Plus give up chocolate, wine, chips, rice and all the other amazing foods?"
If you don't want to live Keto or low carb, that's fine for you. But to compare your experience to being a healthy, active Keto lifestyle is honestly a little laughable because of how you described it.
As far as Keto Flu, or "electrolyte Armageddon" as you put it, just eat the right foods. Spinach contains both magnesium and potassium, tuna contains a *kitten*-ton of magnesium. It's about changing your perspective on food. Not complaining about having to do something.
And you actually can. There are hundreds of reports by WHO and other medical professionals that have compared and proven that sugar addiction is just as addictive as substance abuse drugs.
@Nifesie it sounds like you are well on your way. I have been LCHF for the past 18 months and I am getting my life back at age 65 with better health and health markers than at age 45. Keto is not for the masses. The first two weeks breaking my carb addition was hellish because when I could not taper off so I left both sugar and all forms of all grains cold turkey Oct 2014. I expect my very poor state of health and my age made it harder for me. It cut my pain good so I dodged having to start Enbrel injections for pain management.
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