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New Take On How Gastric Bypass Cures Diabetes
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GaleHawkins wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I have read that surgery greatly improves a diabetics health before they have had time to lose weight. It makes me wonder if that if they can figure out why maybe they won't have to do such invasive surgery.
http://m.care.diabetesjournals.org/content/34/Supplement_2/S361.fullStudies have shown that return to euglycemia and normal insulin levels occurs within days after surgery, long before any significant weight loss takes place. This fact suggests that weight loss alone is not a sufficient explanation for this improvement. Other possible mechanisms effective in this phenomenon are decreased food intake, partial malabsorption of nutrients, and anatomical alteration of the gastrointestinal (GI) tract, which incites changes in the incretin system, affecting, in turn, glucose balance. Better understanding of those mechanisms may bring about a discovery of new treatment modalities for diabetes and obesitylemurcat12 wrote: »If you mean sumo wrestlers, they are trying to gain muscle, not just fatten up. And they eat lots of protein and carbs. Average thin Japanese people, including those on the various healthy traditional diets, also ate lots of carbs. Kenyan marathon runners (hint: they don't look much like sumo wrestlers) eat 80-10-10 (the 80 is carbs, not fat). The sumo diet doesn't seem wildly different in theory (it is in the amount of calories and the fact that beer is apparently an important part) from the old standard bro diet of skinless chicken breast, rice, and veg.
Your idea that one can't get fat from fat is, well, odd. It is true that the standard athletic diet tends to be low fat, although obviously there are exceptions, especially these days, but that's because carbs and protein both have specific roles that are seen as useful (the role of carbs being fuel).
Odd as in the earth is round and not flat?
No, odd as in thinking we didn't land on the moon.Yes carbs may be a fuel source. Over eating carbs over time can cause type 2 diabetes. Over eating fats will not.
That's not what the diabetes experts say, and you are ignoring the point, which is WHY the marathoners and sumo wrestlers eat so many carbs. It's not because they are magically more fattening than fat.
What is the macro then that sumo wrestlers eat be become so obese that supports your debate position?
Do you honestly believe that every sumo wrestler ways the exact same foods? Football players? Ballet dancers? People that are overweight?
This whole concept is ridiculous.
What macros have you found to debate your stated personal opinion?0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I have read that surgery greatly improves a diabetics health before they have had time to lose weight. It makes me wonder if that if they can figure out why maybe they won't have to do such invasive surgery.
http://m.care.diabetesjournals.org/content/34/Supplement_2/S361.fullStudies have shown that return to euglycemia and normal insulin levels occurs within days after surgery, long before any significant weight loss takes place. This fact suggests that weight loss alone is not a sufficient explanation for this improvement. Other possible mechanisms effective in this phenomenon are decreased food intake, partial malabsorption of nutrients, and anatomical alteration of the gastrointestinal (GI) tract, which incites changes in the incretin system, affecting, in turn, glucose balance. Better understanding of those mechanisms may bring about a discovery of new treatment modalities for diabetes and obesitylemurcat12 wrote: »If you mean sumo wrestlers, they are trying to gain muscle, not just fatten up. And they eat lots of protein and carbs. Average thin Japanese people, including those on the various healthy traditional diets, also ate lots of carbs. Kenyan marathon runners (hint: they don't look much like sumo wrestlers) eat 80-10-10 (the 80 is carbs, not fat). The sumo diet doesn't seem wildly different in theory (it is in the amount of calories and the fact that beer is apparently an important part) from the old standard bro diet of skinless chicken breast, rice, and veg.
Your idea that one can't get fat from fat is, well, odd. It is true that the standard athletic diet tends to be low fat, although obviously there are exceptions, especially these days, but that's because carbs and protein both have specific roles that are seen as useful (the role of carbs being fuel).
Odd as in the earth is round and not flat?
No, odd as in thinking we didn't land on the moon.Yes carbs may be a fuel source. Over eating carbs over time can cause type 2 diabetes. Over eating fats will not.
That's not what the diabetes experts say, and you are ignoring the point, which is WHY the marathoners and sumo wrestlers eat so many carbs. It's not because they are magically more fattening than fat.
What is the macro then that sumo wrestlers eat be become so obese that supports your debate position?
Do you honestly believe that every sumo wrestler ways the exact same foods? Football players? Ballet dancers? People that are overweight?
This whole concept is ridiculous.
What macros have you found to debate your stated personal opinion?
That question doesn't even make sense.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I have read that surgery greatly improves a diabetics health before they have had time to lose weight. It makes me wonder if that if they can figure out why maybe they won't have to do such invasive surgery.
http://m.care.diabetesjournals.org/content/34/Supplement_2/S361.fullStudies have shown that return to euglycemia and normal insulin levels occurs within days after surgery, long before any significant weight loss takes place. This fact suggests that weight loss alone is not a sufficient explanation for this improvement. Other possible mechanisms effective in this phenomenon are decreased food intake, partial malabsorption of nutrients, and anatomical alteration of the gastrointestinal (GI) tract, which incites changes in the incretin system, affecting, in turn, glucose balance. Better understanding of those mechanisms may bring about a discovery of new treatment modalities for diabetes and obesitylemurcat12 wrote: »If you mean sumo wrestlers, they are trying to gain muscle, not just fatten up. And they eat lots of protein and carbs. Average thin Japanese people, including those on the various healthy traditional diets, also ate lots of carbs. Kenyan marathon runners (hint: they don't look much like sumo wrestlers) eat 80-10-10 (the 80 is carbs, not fat). The sumo diet doesn't seem wildly different in theory (it is in the amount of calories and the fact that beer is apparently an important part) from the old standard bro diet of skinless chicken breast, rice, and veg.
Your idea that one can't get fat from fat is, well, odd. It is true that the standard athletic diet tends to be low fat, although obviously there are exceptions, especially these days, but that's because carbs and protein both have specific roles that are seen as useful (the role of carbs being fuel).
Odd as in the earth is round and not flat?
No, odd as in thinking we didn't land on the moon.Yes carbs may be a fuel source. Over eating carbs over time can cause type 2 diabetes. Over eating fats will not.
That's not what the diabetes experts say, and you are ignoring the point, which is WHY the marathoners and sumo wrestlers eat so many carbs. It's not because they are magically more fattening than fat.
What is the macro then that sumo wrestlers eat be become so obese that supports your debate position?
Do you honestly believe that every sumo wrestler ways the exact same foods? Football players? Ballet dancers? People that are overweight?
This whole concept is ridiculous.
What macros have you found to debate your stated personal opinion?
I've posted a video. They're eating:
Lots of fatty meats and lots of vegetables.
As all ketoers will tell us, on low carb you're eating more vegetables because they're the good carbs and very low in them anyway, which leaves us with...
Lots of fatty meats as the bulk of their calories.
That's what they eat to get fat.
You're proven wrong.
At least 2 dozen times already in this and your other threads.
Repeating the same wrong thing over and over is not going to make you magically right, not even if your goal is we get sick of it and stop replying.0 -
That workout is usually followed by an enormous lunch of chanko-nabe, the dish most culturally tied to sumo wrestling. It's a hearty stew that can be made with almost any kinds of vegetables (bok choy, daikon, mushroom, anything you can think of) and protein (chicken, fish, meatballs, tofu) in a dashi broth. The same rules apply to the sumo diet as most other sports—a balance of meat and fish, safe starches like rice and noodles, and as many veggies as you can scarf downGaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I have read that surgery greatly improves a diabetics health before they have had time to lose weight. It makes me wonder if that if they can figure out why maybe they won't have to do such invasive surgery.
http://m.care.diabetesjournals.org/content/34/Supplement_2/S361.fullStudies have shown that return to euglycemia and normal insulin levels occurs within days after surgery, long before any significant weight loss takes place. This fact suggests that weight loss alone is not a sufficient explanation for this improvement. Other possible mechanisms effective in this phenomenon are decreased food intake, partial malabsorption of nutrients, and anatomical alteration of the gastrointestinal (GI) tract, which incites changes in the incretin system, affecting, in turn, glucose balance. Better understanding of those mechanisms may bring about a discovery of new treatment modalities for diabetes and obesitylemurcat12 wrote: »If you mean sumo wrestlers, they are trying to gain muscle, not just fatten up. And they eat lots of protein and carbs. Average thin Japanese people, including those on the various healthy traditional diets, also ate lots of carbs. Kenyan marathon runners (hint: they don't look much like sumo wrestlers) eat 80-10-10 (the 80 is carbs, not fat). The sumo diet doesn't seem wildly different in theory (it is in the amount of calories and the fact that beer is apparently an important part) from the old standard bro diet of skinless chicken breast, rice, and veg.
Your idea that one can't get fat from fat is, well, odd. It is true that the standard athletic diet tends to be low fat, although obviously there are exceptions, especially these days, but that's because carbs and protein both have specific roles that are seen as useful (the role of carbs being fuel).
Odd as in the earth is round and not flat?
No, odd as in thinking we didn't land on the moon.Yes carbs may be a fuel source. Over eating carbs over time can cause type 2 diabetes. Over eating fats will not.
That's not what the diabetes experts say, and you are ignoring the point, which is WHY the marathoners and sumo wrestlers eat so many carbs. It's not because they are magically more fattening than fat.
What is the macro then that sumo wrestlers eat be become so obese that supports your debate position?
Do you honestly believe that every sumo wrestler ways the exact same foods? Football players? Ballet dancers? People that are overweight?
This whole concept is ridiculous.
What macros have you found to debate your stated personal opinion?
http://www.gq.com/story/sumo-diet-of-byamba-ulambayar0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I have read that surgery greatly improves a diabetics health before they have had time to lose weight. It makes me wonder if that if they can figure out why maybe they won't have to do such invasive surgery.
http://m.care.diabetesjournals.org/content/34/Supplement_2/S361.fullStudies have shown that return to euglycemia and normal insulin levels occurs within days after surgery, long before any significant weight loss takes place. This fact suggests that weight loss alone is not a sufficient explanation for this improvement. Other possible mechanisms effective in this phenomenon are decreased food intake, partial malabsorption of nutrients, and anatomical alteration of the gastrointestinal (GI) tract, which incites changes in the incretin system, affecting, in turn, glucose balance. Better understanding of those mechanisms may bring about a discovery of new treatment modalities for diabetes and obesitylemurcat12 wrote: »If you mean sumo wrestlers, they are trying to gain muscle, not just fatten up. And they eat lots of protein and carbs. Average thin Japanese people, including those on the various healthy traditional diets, also ate lots of carbs. Kenyan marathon runners (hint: they don't look much like sumo wrestlers) eat 80-10-10 (the 80 is carbs, not fat). The sumo diet doesn't seem wildly different in theory (it is in the amount of calories and the fact that beer is apparently an important part) from the old standard bro diet of skinless chicken breast, rice, and veg.
Your idea that one can't get fat from fat is, well, odd. It is true that the standard athletic diet tends to be low fat, although obviously there are exceptions, especially these days, but that's because carbs and protein both have specific roles that are seen as useful (the role of carbs being fuel).
Odd as in the earth is round and not flat?
No, odd as in thinking we didn't land on the moon.Yes carbs may be a fuel source. Over eating carbs over time can cause type 2 diabetes. Over eating fats will not.
That's not what the diabetes experts say, and you are ignoring the point, which is WHY the marathoners and sumo wrestlers eat so many carbs. It's not because they are magically more fattening than fat.
What is the macro then that sumo wrestlers eat be become so obese that supports your debate position?
Do you honestly believe that every sumo wrestler ways the exact same foods? Football players? Ballet dancers? People that are overweight?
This whole concept is ridiculous.
What macros have you found to debate your stated personal opinion?
I don't debate with macros.
Micros, though, that Vitamin A is quite a sophist!0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I have read that surgery greatly improves a diabetics health before they have had time to lose weight. It makes me wonder if that if they can figure out why maybe they won't have to do such invasive surgery.
http://m.care.diabetesjournals.org/content/34/Supplement_2/S361.fullStudies have shown that return to euglycemia and normal insulin levels occurs within days after surgery, long before any significant weight loss takes place. This fact suggests that weight loss alone is not a sufficient explanation for this improvement. Other possible mechanisms effective in this phenomenon are decreased food intake, partial malabsorption of nutrients, and anatomical alteration of the gastrointestinal (GI) tract, which incites changes in the incretin system, affecting, in turn, glucose balance. Better understanding of those mechanisms may bring about a discovery of new treatment modalities for diabetes and obesitylemurcat12 wrote: »If you mean sumo wrestlers, they are trying to gain muscle, not just fatten up. And they eat lots of protein and carbs. Average thin Japanese people, including those on the various healthy traditional diets, also ate lots of carbs. Kenyan marathon runners (hint: they don't look much like sumo wrestlers) eat 80-10-10 (the 80 is carbs, not fat). The sumo diet doesn't seem wildly different in theory (it is in the amount of calories and the fact that beer is apparently an important part) from the old standard bro diet of skinless chicken breast, rice, and veg.
Your idea that one can't get fat from fat is, well, odd. It is true that the standard athletic diet tends to be low fat, although obviously there are exceptions, especially these days, but that's because carbs and protein both have specific roles that are seen as useful (the role of carbs being fuel).
Odd as in the earth is round and not flat?
No, odd as in thinking we didn't land on the moon.Yes carbs may be a fuel source. Over eating carbs over time can cause type 2 diabetes. Over eating fats will not.
That's not what the diabetes experts say, and you are ignoring the point, which is WHY the marathoners and sumo wrestlers eat so many carbs. It's not because they are magically more fattening than fat.
What is the macro then that sumo wrestlers eat be become so obese that supports your debate position?
Do you honestly believe that every sumo wrestler ways the exact same foods? Football players? Ballet dancers? People that are overweight?
This whole concept is ridiculous.
What macros have you found to debate your stated personal opinion?
Gale please... They overeat food with ALL the macros, they don't single out one particular one to gain weight. It's not that scientific, eat above your TDEE and WILL gain weight, no matter what you eat.0 -
I think Gale must of taken common core classes, lol0
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GaleHawkins wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I have read that surgery greatly improves a diabetics health before they have had time to lose weight. It makes me wonder if that if they can figure out why maybe they won't have to do such invasive surgery.
http://m.care.diabetesjournals.org/content/34/Supplement_2/S361.fullStudies have shown that return to euglycemia and normal insulin levels occurs within days after surgery, long before any significant weight loss takes place. This fact suggests that weight loss alone is not a sufficient explanation for this improvement. Other possible mechanisms effective in this phenomenon are decreased food intake, partial malabsorption of nutrients, and anatomical alteration of the gastrointestinal (GI) tract, which incites changes in the incretin system, affecting, in turn, glucose balance. Better understanding of those mechanisms may bring about a discovery of new treatment modalities for diabetes and obesitylemurcat12 wrote: »If you mean sumo wrestlers, they are trying to gain muscle, not just fatten up. And they eat lots of protein and carbs. Average thin Japanese people, including those on the various healthy traditional diets, also ate lots of carbs. Kenyan marathon runners (hint: they don't look much like sumo wrestlers) eat 80-10-10 (the 80 is carbs, not fat). The sumo diet doesn't seem wildly different in theory (it is in the amount of calories and the fact that beer is apparently an important part) from the old standard bro diet of skinless chicken breast, rice, and veg.
Your idea that one can't get fat from fat is, well, odd. It is true that the standard athletic diet tends to be low fat, although obviously there are exceptions, especially these days, but that's because carbs and protein both have specific roles that are seen as useful (the role of carbs being fuel).
Odd as in the earth is round and not flat?
No, odd as in thinking we didn't land on the moon.Yes carbs may be a fuel source. Over eating carbs over time can cause type 2 diabetes. Over eating fats will not.
That's not what the diabetes experts say, and you are ignoring the point, which is WHY the marathoners and sumo wrestlers eat so many carbs. It's not because they are magically more fattening than fat.
What is the macro then that sumo wrestlers eat be become so obese that supports your debate position?
People don't eat just one macro. All three macronutrients can be consumed and people can be underweight or overweight. Most people eat a mix of carbs, fat, protein. Foods also can be comprised of more than one macronutrient. Revolutionary I know...0 -
I think Gale should write to his senator Mitch McConnell and get him to lobby Congress to declare all foods either "fats," "carbs," or "proteins." Then this pesky mixed thing will no longer be an issue and some delicious creamy ice cream will simply be "a carb," as God intended. After all, it's not like he's wasting time with some nominee to the SC or anything.0
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lemurcat12 wrote: »I think Gale should write to his senator Mitch McConnell and get him to lobby Congress to declare all foods either "fats," "carbs," or "proteins." Then this pesky mixed thing will no longer be an issue and some delicious creamy ice cream will simply be "a carb," as God intended. After all, it's not like he's wasting time with some nominee to the SC or anything.
While they're at it, they can declare pi = 3.14 and and close all those pesky universities that insist otherwise.0 -
You would have to say that weight gain "is associated with" risk of diabetes for it to be non-controversial. There'll be people who over eat, gain weight and don't become even slightly diabetic, for example.0
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