p90x puts man in hospital
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Aleve is my performance enhancing drug of choice.While on the subject - Be aware of the risks of taking NSAIDS.
1. NSAIDs slow tissue healing.
2. NSAIDs can damage your kidneys
http://myrunningdoc.blogspot.com/2010/05/nsaids-why-runners-should-think-twice.html
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Running, Rhabdomyolosis, and Renal Failure
http://www.ultrarunning.com/ultra/9/9_1/running-rhabdomyolosis-an.shtml
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Yeah, but who really does that? I mean, maybe if you are older and/or have health problems but most youngish, healthyish people just charge on ahead.People should see a doctor before starting new exercise regime especially when really unfit...
I've heard of similar things happening when a PT pushed someone too hard. You have to ease into things until you can tell the difference between your head stopping you or your body saying STOP.0 -
this has nothing to do with p90x. this has everything to do with a noob to resistance training going too hard. this same result could happen with any resistance training template. And in fact has. When I was doing my PT courses there were more than a few examples of trainers pushing new clients too hard and causing exactly this.
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its a shame people are blaming the actual exercise program for this.
the guy clearly over exerted himself and didnt modify/stop when his body was pushed to the limit.
he clearly neglected Tony Hortons advice from the videos!0 -
This guy is just pissing away his results hahah lmao0
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i think the makers of these dvds should improve the usability of that warning thing. everyone ignores it, it's just text on a screen for ages.
it should be like a checklist (a reality-checklist), with each point getting 20 seconds, and phrased in a way that people can relate to themselves, & each point would be some kind of risk factor.
like:
"Are you over 40?"
"Have you ever had any injuries?"
"Have you exercised in the past year?"
"Do you have any chronic conditions, like diabetes or __ __ __?"
next screen: "Check with your doctor before starting. Stop with any pain. Follow the blonde chick on the screen, until you can do it blind"
And then, a screen with SIGNS of pain that are easy to read and understand, using plain language, & the most common descriptions.
Like, not "if you have shortness of breath" etc - people stop hearing that - but "If you find yourself struggling to breath" or "if your chest feels tight". Or, "Pain on one side that starts with exercise" etc.
And then, periodically during the DVD, there might be 'check points'. "How do you feel? This is what you should feel at this point" etc.
Because lots of people don't know their own bodies, it's true.0 -
its a shame people are blaming the actual exercise program for this.
the guy clearly over exerted himself and didnt modify/stop when his body was pushed to the limit.
he clearly neglected Tony Hortons advice from the videos!
I didn't hear anyone blame the actual program, in my original post I even stated that the "moral of the story is listen to your body" I think its good for people new to fitness to know that there are risks jumping into a program they may not be ready for.0 -
Idiot. He says he's "always been an athlete" but that he also gained 20 pounds. If he's gained 20 pounds through inactivity and a bad diet (common while developing a new product), then he's not still an athlete. It's like the guys who played football in high school and refuse to believe that they're out of shape when they're 30 and end up hurting themselves. Just because you could do it once, doesn't mean you can do it now. Listen to the warnings (on the website, during the DVDS, on the packaging, etc) and do what you can do and modify as needed.
I don't think it's fair to call this man an "idiot"...
Anyone who has ever worked out knows the feeling of "I really wanna quit right now, this is too hard" but pushes themselves anyway to finish the workout. There are plenty of people out there who can't last through 10 minutes of moderate activity without quitting. Is it because they are physically unable to or because they are not used to dealing with the discomfort of exercise?
It can be hard to judge when one should push through pain and uncomfortable feelings and when one should stop altogether -- there is no objective gauge of this. So maybe he had more motivation than most people doing P90x, more pain tolerance, or both. Plus, TV shows like "The Biggest Loser" depict extremely obese people doing strenuous exercises. Maybe he thought, "hey if they can do it, so can I" and refused to stop.
To my best understanding, P90x is not marketed to elite athletes looking to improve performance at their chosen sport. It is marketed at everyday Joes and Janes looking to lose some extra pounds, precisely those people who might have been athletic back in the day but have gained a few pounds through the years -- just like the man in the article.
There is a fitness test at the beginning and end of the program. If you can not pass the fitness test at the start of P90X it tells you to not start. I am guessing this guy never even bothered to take the fitness test.
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P90X is for people who are already fit and want to be more fit. Anyone trying P90X that is not fit should always modify the program if they try it at all. This is all over the program materials.
But their warnings are in direct contradiction to their marketing. Some of the people in the 'before' pictures are even obese. A picture says a thousand words, etc.0 -
Good post. I have never, nor would I ever feel the need to do px90. There are plenty of simple exercises that are healthy and get your heart rate up where you don't need to overdo it. Some of them are fun, like roller skating or hiking, which burn a lot of calories.
Fyi, my grandmother who never learned to drive a car, walked everywhere. About 5 miles a day on average. No other exercise, just walking. Ate real food, not processed, in normal amounts. Drank a little coffee and a little wine. She lived to 96 years of age and was always slender.
The equation is pretty simple. And one doesn't really need do more than walk...albeit walk a lot, and simply not eat too much. Some light weights are a good idea too, especially for women as they start to age.0 -
I tried p90x last year and ended up tearing my meniscus. It was really my own fault. It's really not meant for a beginner. I should have started with something more gentle since I'm so out of shape. It set everything back months and I lost my drive for awhile!
:devil: But they really psych you up with those commercials. :devil:0 -
I don't think this article was written to give P90X a bad name at all.
I think it was written to give exposure to the guy's website. But I'm a cynic that way.
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I'm sorry but it's not P90X that sent him to the hospital but the fact (like he said) that he gained lots of weight,wasn't training anymore and was out of shape...he decided to go drastic without listening to his body.... He probably had kidney problems already without knowing and all this made it worst!
My gallbladder exploded and i didn't even know i add liver problems myself so...it's all possible.
He would have ran a lot or jogged a lot...probably would have been the same... His body had enough.
Is P90X risky...yes, do they say to seek a medical advise first before starting YES!!!!!! he didn't!
It's not fun.... but I cannot blame P90X for that it's just non-sense.
Thank god he didn't do Body Beast or Insanity...his kidney would have came out from his nose!
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I was under the impression that rhabdomyolysis occurs due to inadequet hydtation during intense exertion.
Also the articl doesn't disclose if tests were done to establish an autoimmune cause. ER is notorius for fixing them up as best as they can then sending them off to the relevant specialists who will determin the exact nature of the disease process.
I think the problem wasn't doing extreme exercize, but probbaly something more to do with de-hydration/ an autoimmune dispossition/ previous injury. Maybe even alcohol/ drug abuse or he is taking medication. There are too many factors which can't be ignored when trying to determins the exact nature of the extreme rhabdomyolysis, thats assume that the cause wasn't solely extreme exercize or that the extreme exercize was a catalyst to the actual cause .
Also I've started Insanity with no prior fitness level and apart from the pulled muscles here and there, I've not expereices anythign such as rhabdomyolysis....0 -
This has NOTHING to do with P90X and everything to do with overtraining when not ready or being dehydrated. Rhabdo can happen from ANY type of exercise. A friend of mine got rhabdo after running a half marathon - not enough fluids. So, yes - take from the story that he wasn't adequately prepared and didn't hydrate himself, but know that it's NOT from P90X.0
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While on the subject - Be aware of the risks of taking NSAIDS.
1. NSAIDs slow tissue healing.
2. NSAIDs can damage your kidneys
http://myrunningdoc.blogspot.com/2010/05/nsaids-why-runners-should-think-twice.html
And
Running, Rhabdomyolosis, and Renal Failure
http://www.ultrarunning.com/ultra/9/9_1/running-rhabdomyolosis-an.shtml
Thanks for citing, will have to read later!
I just saw this. NSAIDs are nastey things. If you do take them make sure you take advise from a doctor or nurse as you will need to line your stomach i.e. eat before or when you take them (I'm not 100% sure if that is accurate so plz plz check with the pros)0 -
Any exercise that is beyond a person's ability has the potential to put them in the hospital. Plus, do have this guys' full medical history? ESPECIALLY P90X...there are warnings all over the guide book that if dude couldn't complete the fit test then he's not ready for P90X. They are ADAMANT about that!
I completed P90X last summer and it wasn't even all that bad...0 -
I think the problem wasn't doing extreme exercize, but probbaly something more to do with de-hydration/ an autoimmune dispossition/ previous injury. Maybe even alcohol/ drug abuse or he is taking medication. There are too many factors which can't be ignored when trying to determins the exact nature of the extreme rhabdomyolysis, thats assume that the cause wasn't solely extreme exercize or that the extreme exercize was a catalyst to the actual cause .
Also I've started Insanity with no prior fitness level and apart from the pulled muscles here and there, I've not expereices anythign such as rhabdomyolysis....
The problem was he was going too hard. It has nothing to do with dehydration. JDS, an elite MMA fighter almost experienced the same exact thing because he pushed himself too hard. You have to know your limits. You have to know the difference between sore and hurt. This is why you go slow, or/and consult with a doctor before trying to get into a lifting routine if you're completely new. I guess this guy wasn't new, just stupid.
edit: this has nothing to do with P90x, or any exercise routine. It's about knowing when to stop.0 -
Yes, but what about all the times someone doing p90X DIDN'T land them in the hospital? Where are the articles about that :grumble: .0
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P90x is fine.. It has PLENTY of warnings telling people to consult a physician before starting the program. Don't try to be a hot shot and do things you aren't ready for. The dude is lucky nothing else happened that could have caused him more serious of injuries.0
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I think the problem wasn't doing extreme exercize, but probbaly something more to do with de-hydration/ an autoimmune dispossition/ previous injury. Maybe even alcohol/ drug abuse or he is taking medication. There are too many factors which can't be ignored when trying to determins the exact nature of the extreme rhabdomyolysis, thats assume that the cause wasn't solely extreme exercize or that the extreme exercize was a catalyst to the actual cause .
Also I've started Insanity with no prior fitness level and apart from the pulled muscles here and there, I've not expereices anythign such as rhabdomyolysis....
The problem was he was going to hard. It has nothing to do with dehydration. JDS, an elite MMA fighter almost experienced the same exact thing because he pushed himself too hard. You have to know your limits. You have to know the difference between sore and hurt. This is why you go slow, or/and consult with a doctor before trying to get into a lifting routine if you're completely new. I guess this guy wasn't new, just stupid.
edit: this has nothing to do with P90x, or any exercise routine. It's about knowing when to stop.
Rhabdomyolysis is caused by dehydration during extreme exercize. I don't know the exact mechanism, but I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that the blood supply isn't sufficient due to reduced hydration, which causes problems with muscle metabolism. Then some crazy stuff happens which results in the release of myoglobin which then is excreted through the urine.
An MMA fighter would be subject to crush injuries which would lead to direct muscle cells damage which then results in crazy stuff happenign to ions and swelling etc. etc. then rhabdomyolysis.
Sorry my explination of the diseae is terrible as I only have a vague understanding. However the two incidences are seperate and thus have different causes. Although there are always anomalies
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I did the underling of this program, "Power 90", and that was pretty intense for me. At the time, I was also out of shape and used to be an "athlete". However, it's just common sense to stop when it hurts. Several times during the video, Tony Horton encourages taking a break or getting a drink of water...just pause the video. Even saying that if you're unable to do a move or weights, try it like this instead or reduce the resistance/pounds. And as he said those things, I'd evaluate...well, ok, I can't do all those push-ups, I'll use my knees instead to take of the strain off. It's easy to be 1000% motivated when you start, but you have to know your limitations. Even though I used to be in shape and athletic, I knew this. The programs Horton has created are good, but as always, follow the instructions or things like this happen.0
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I think the problem wasn't doing extreme exercize, but probbaly something more to do with de-hydration/ an autoimmune dispossition/ previous injury. Maybe even alcohol/ drug abuse or he is taking medication. There are too many factors which can't be ignored when trying to determins the exact nature of the extreme rhabdomyolysis, thats assume that the cause wasn't solely extreme exercize or that the extreme exercize was a catalyst to the actual cause .
Also I've started Insanity with no prior fitness level and apart from the pulled muscles here and there, I've not expereices anythign such as rhabdomyolysis....
The problem was he was going to hard. It has nothing to do with dehydration. JDS, an elite MMA fighter almost experienced the same exact thing because he pushed himself too hard. You have to know your limits. You have to know the difference between sore and hurt. This is why you go slow, or/and consult with a doctor before trying to get into a lifting routine if you're completely new. I guess this guy wasn't new, just stupid.
edit: this has nothing to do with P90x, or any exercise routine. It's about knowing when to stop.
Rhabdomyolysis is caused by dehydration during extreme exercize. I don't know the exact mechanism, but I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that the blood supply isn't sufficient due to reduced hydration, which causes problems with muscle metabolism. Then some crazy stuff happens which results in the release of myoglobin which then is excreted through the urine.
An MMA fighter would be subject to crush injuries which would lead to direct muscle cells damage which then results in crazy stuff happenign to ions and swelling etc. etc. then rhabdomyolysis.
Sorry my explination of the diseae is terrible as I only have a vague understanding. However the two incidences are seperate and thus have different causes. Although there are always anomalies
I'm sure that dehydration does play a major role with the actual disease... but it can be avoided, that's the point. He didn't know when to stop. I think the article even stated that he felt really sore after day 1, and then pushed through it for day 2... I don't remember if he did a day 3 or not, I think he may have. That's just dumb on his part.0 -
I think the problem wasn't doing extreme exercize, but probbaly something more to do with de-hydration/ an autoimmune dispossition/ previous injury. Maybe even alcohol/ drug abuse or he is taking medication. There are too many factors which can't be ignored when trying to determins the exact nature of the extreme rhabdomyolysis, thats assume that the cause wasn't solely extreme exercize or that the extreme exercize was a catalyst to the actual cause .
Also I've started Insanity with no prior fitness level and apart from the pulled muscles here and there, I've not expereices anythign such as rhabdomyolysis....
The problem was he was going to hard. It has nothing to do with dehydration. JDS, an elite MMA fighter almost experienced the same exact thing because he pushed himself too hard. You have to know your limits. You have to know the difference between sore and hurt. This is why you go slow, or/and consult with a doctor before trying to get into a lifting routine if you're completely new. I guess this guy wasn't new, just stupid.
edit: this has nothing to do with P90x, or any exercise routine. It's about knowing when to stop.
Rhabdomyolysis is caused by dehydration during extreme exercize. I don't know the exact mechanism, but I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that the blood supply isn't sufficient due to reduced hydration, which causes problems with muscle metabolism. Then some crazy stuff happens which results in the release of myoglobin which then is excreted through the urine.
An MMA fighter would be subject to crush injuries which would lead to direct muscle cells damage which then results in crazy stuff happenign to ions and swelling etc. etc. then rhabdomyolysis.
Sorry my explination of the diseae is terrible as I only have a vague understanding. However the two incidences are seperate and thus have different causes. Although there are always anomalies
I'm sure that dehydration does play a major role with the actual disease... but it can be avoided, that's the point. He didn't know when to stop. I think the article even stated that he felt really sore after day 1, and then pushed through it for day 2... I don't remember if he did a day 3 or not, I think he may have. That's just dumb on his part.
Agreed. You'd think a buisnessmans who's nature is to weight up risk with benefit would now when to stop.0 -
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Good post. I have never, nor would I ever feel the need to do px90. There are plenty of simple exercises that are healthy and get your heart rate up where you don't need to overdo it. Some of them are fun, like roller skating or hiking, which burn a lot of calories.
Fyi, my grandmother who never learned to drive a car, walked everywhere. About 5 miles a day on average. No other exercise, just walking. Ate real food, not processed, in normal amounts. Drank a little coffee and a little wine. She lived to 96 years of age and was always slender.
The equation is pretty simple. And one doesn't really need do more than walk...albeit walk a lot, and simply not eat too much. Some light weights are a good idea too, especially for women as they start to age.
That's nice for you and your grandmother, but plenty of people want to push themselves. IMO they shouldn't be discouraged from doing so as long as they are smart about it.
I started out walking and that was great, but now I want to see what my body is capable of doing. So I consulted my doctor, and started lifting heavy, and now I'm starting to jog as well. Maybe it isn't "necessary" but life isn't always about just doing what's necessary.0 -
writing it now.Yes, but what about all the times someone doing p90X DIDN'T land them in the hospital? Where are the articles about that :grumble: .0 -
Good post. I have never, nor would I ever feel the need to do px90. There are plenty of simple exercises that are healthy and get your heart rate up where you don't need to overdo it. Some of them are fun, like roller skating or hiking, which burn a lot of calories.
Fyi, my grandmother who never learned to drive a car, walked everywhere. About 5 miles a day on average. No other exercise, just walking. Ate real food, not processed, in normal amounts. Drank a little coffee and a little wine. She lived to 96 years of age and was always slender.
The equation is pretty simple. And one doesn't really need do more than walk...albeit walk a lot, and simply not eat too much. Some light weights are a good idea too, especially for women as they start to age.
That's nice for you and your grandmother, but plenty of people want to push themselves. IMO they shouldn't be discouraged from doing so as long as they are smart about it.
I started out walking and that was great, but now I want to see what my body is capable of doing. So I consulted my doctor, and started lifting heavy, and now I'm starting to jog as well. Maybe it isn't "necessary" but life isn't always about just doing what's necessary.
No need to be snarky. I didn't use the word necessary. Nor would I discourage someone who wanted to do different things. I like to do a lot of activities myself, including running, hiking, roller skating, ice skating, swimming, etc. My only point is one need not go to extremes for fitness. And an active lifestyle in the long run is what is important, walking or otherwise. I can see my grandma walking 5 miles in her 90's, and it was good for her. I'm not sure how many people look to this program that are out of shape for a quick fix, but my hunch is a lot. People already active probably are already happy with what they re active doing. People that are not may be prone to hurt themselves doing a very intense program in a short time, as did the person the article is written about. Being active, in some manner, is a lifetime goal. That was more the point I was trying to make.0 -
Typical sensationalism by the press, but as has been said, the thing to remember is to ease yourself into a new routine gently! Whether the guy knew what he was doing or not, he has certainly learnt the hard way!!0
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Good post. I have never, nor would I ever feel the need to do px90. There are plenty of simple exercises that are healthy and get your heart rate up where you don't need to overdo it. Some of them are fun, like roller skating or hiking, which burn a lot of calories.
Fyi, my grandmother who never learned to drive a car, walked everywhere. About 5 miles a day on average. No other exercise, just walking. Ate real food, not processed, in normal amounts. Drank a little coffee and a little wine. She lived to 96 years of age and was always slender.
The equation is pretty simple. And one doesn't really need do more than walk...albeit walk a lot, and simply not eat too much. Some light weights are a good idea too, especially for women as they start to age.
That's nice for you and your grandmother, but plenty of people want to push themselves. IMO they shouldn't be discouraged from doing so as long as they are smart about it.
I started out walking and that was great, but now I want to see what my body is capable of doing. So I consulted my doctor, and started lifting heavy, and now I'm starting to jog as well. Maybe it isn't "necessary" but life isn't always about just doing what's necessary.
No need to be snarky. I didn't use the word necessary. Nor would I discourage someone who wanted to do different things. I like to do a lot of activities myself, including running, hiking, roller skating, ice skating, swimming, etc. My only point is one need not go to extremes for fitness. And an active lifestyle in the long run is what is important, walking or otherwise. I can see my grandma walking 5 miles in her 90's, and it was good for her. I'm not sure how many people look to this program that are out of shape for a quick fix, but my hunch is a lot. People already active probably are already happy with what they re active doing. People that are not may be prone to hurt themselves doing a very intense program in a short time, as did the person the article is written about. Being active, in some manner, is a lifetime goal. That was more the point I was trying to make.
We get posters here (especially lately) who seem to look down on anyone who is passionate about what the exercise they are doing, especially if what they are doing is Crossfit or one of the more extreme workouts. I don't do Crossfit (or P90x) myself but it makes me bristle when someone seems to be saying that pushing hard is bad and they should settle for less. If that was not the underlying tone of your post then I apologize, but that's how it came off to me. It'd be like if someone wanted to go to law school and they were told that all they really need is community college. For some goals, walking is a perfect fit. If you're just trying to lead a healthy/active lifestyle then walking is great. But if you want to transform your body and push it as far as it will go then that isn't going to cut it. My feeling is that most people who start P90x want the latter.
I agree that this sort of workout probably is seen as a quick fix for many, but there are just as many who are looking at it as a way to push themselves harder. I don't think everyone who is already active is necessarily happy doing the same thing forever. People get bored and want to change things up, or realize that they aren't getting the results they want.0
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