Gastric bypass help!
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I think the pre-operative diet is a weeding out procedure. Sounds like it might weed you out.
I'd exercise a lot, drink your water, get off of bread. I'd up my fiber and journal every bite. If you can't lose during this period, you're not a candidate for the surgery anyway,0 -
I too was thinking about the surgery to lose although I have lost 100lbs previously I put 73lbs of that back on. I went to see my doc and for me to have the surgery I had to quit smoking and remain smoke free for 1 year. I have been virtually ( have had a couple in weak moments) smoke free for 2 months. I also put on a few pounds from quitting and my clothes didn't fit anymore. So i thought.. gotta take this weight of to fit in my summer clothes and to get healthier. First week on MFP I lost 6lbs. I just completed my 2nd week and lost 0.5 lbs. I consider both of these successes as 1st week was probably water weight. Last week I had July 1st, a wedding, a fishing derby with not so healthy BBQ and a funeral.
This is what I have learned:
No one can make you better but yourself
Surgery is a bandaid, not a permanent fix
Don't feel sorry for yourself
Get off your *kitten* and move, even if it is chair exercises to start with
Count calories, log food, honestly, if you eat the whole bag of chips, write it down, ( I know it sucks)
Leave your diary open, keeps you accountable
Set realistic goals, 7kgs in a week is not happening
Look at why you eat
Build a support group, even if it is online
And don't say " I can't do this"
But this is just my opinion. you can do with it what you please
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Thank you for your input and best wishes.0
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Why GBP surgery?
I'm working with a guy now who started his journey at 700+LBS and is now down to the mid 500LBS.
He just works out every other day and eats right.
GBP does cause you to lose weight but only has a 5% success rate long term.
And its a huge change to your system.
If you do get the surgery, studies show better nutrient uptake from the system but youll have to dial down your intake big time, as well as drinking a lot of your calories.
What you are saying is simply not true. If you want to convince anyone that GBP has a 5% long term success rate then cite your source.. I also challenge you to find ANY study that proves that diet and exercise alone has as good or HIGHER success rate than those patients who had GBP... Truth is.. GBP is a tool that will HELP patients stick with a calorie deficit for long enough to lose a significant amount of weight.. They may not lose ALL their weight and keep it all off... but over the long term, GBP are exponentially more successful than morbidly obese people who went the diet and exercise alone route. Those who have the BEST results are those who use their bariatric procedure as a tool in order to help them stick with the calorie deficit AND add a moderate amount of exercise. I'm not saying that people shouldn't TRY to do it without surgery.. there indeed are some who can do it this way... but before you go spewing statistics you need to have your facts straight.
Call my friend Dr Matt Andry and ask him personally.
He does the surgeries only as a last resort and will explain why its not a smart idea.
The whole reason why is the body wants what the body wants.
If you train it for gluttony, it want to be a glutton.
If you reverse engineer your brain to eat healthy, it wants to be healthy.
Get your head straight before cutting out your stomach because if it isnt, your body will find a way to get those calories in so it can continue being a glutton.
http://andrymedicalservices.com0 -
A podcast with Dr Andry talking about how GBP surgeries fail because of the psychological issues with the patients and their relationship with food.
http://www.superhumanradio.com/shr-1030-rtdosaha-22-strength-training-for-couples-plus-the-psychology-of-weight-loss.html0 -
This surgery is not a quick fix on weight loss. You must be willing to mske changes that may last a lifetime. If you not ready to make these changes the rethink what your going to do. 55% of all gastric bypass pstients fall back into their old habits and regain most of their weight. But if you still want to proceed by all means do so. But be aware that you must make changes that your body demands. Rethink it as if your doing it the old fashion way bu cutting calories and looking foetter choices..Is up to you as to the road way go go.0
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Why GBP surgery?
I'm working with a guy now who started his journey at 700+LBS and is now down to the mid 500LBS.
He just works out every other day and eats right.
GBP does cause you to lose weight but only has a 5% success rate long term.
And its a huge change to your system.
If you do get the surgery, studies show better nutrient uptake from the system but youll have to dial down your intake big time, as well as drinking a lot of your calories.
What you are saying is simply not true. If you want to convince anyone that GBP has a 5% long term success rate then cite your source.. I also challenge you to find ANY study that proves that diet and exercise alone has as good or HIGHER success rate than those patients who had GBP... Truth is.. GBP is a tool that will HELP patients stick with a calorie deficit for long enough to lose a significant amount of weight.. They may not lose ALL their weight and keep it all off... but over the long term, GBP are exponentially more successful than morbidly obese people who went the diet and exercise alone route. Those who have the BEST results are those who use their bariatric procedure as a tool in order to help them stick with the calorie deficit AND add a moderate amount of exercise. I'm not saying that people shouldn't TRY to do it without surgery.. there indeed are some who can do it this way... but before you go spewing statistics you need to have your facts straight.
Call my friend Dr Matt Andry and ask him personally.
He does the surgeries only as a last resort and will explain why its not a smart idea.
The whole reason why is the body wants what the body wants.
If you train it for gluttony, it want to be a glutton.
If you reverse engineer your brain to eat healthy, it wants to be healthy.
Get your head straight before cutting out your stomach because if it isnt, your body will find a way to get those calories in so it can continue being a glutton.
http://andrymedicalservices.com
So your friend Dr. Matt, a family practitioner is the source of your 5% statistic? Funny thing, he does not list this shocking 95% surgical failure rate statistic anywhere on his website. I definitely agree with you on one thing.. You DO need to get your head straight or bariatric surgeries will NOT be successful. You can find ways to "eat around" the surgery if your head isn't ready for surgery. And who knows, for some people, once they get their heads straight, they may find they fall into that 5% who are able to be successful without any surgical intervention. AWESOME! If you can do it without the risk of surgery then you definitely should!0 -
Why GBP surgery?
I'm working with a guy now who started his journey at 700+LBS and is now down to the mid 500LBS.
He just works out every other day and eats right.
GBP does cause you to lose weight but only has a 5% success rate long term.
And its a huge change to your system.
If you do get the surgery, studies show better nutrient uptake from the system but youll have to dial down your intake big time, as well as drinking a lot of your calories.
What you are saying is simply not true. If you want to convince anyone that GBP has a 5% long term success rate then cite your source.. I also challenge you to find ANY study that proves that diet and exercise alone has as good or HIGHER success rate than those patients who had GBP... Truth is.. GBP is a tool that will HELP patients stick with a calorie deficit for long enough to lose a significant amount of weight.. They may not lose ALL their weight and keep it all off... but over the long term, GBP are exponentially more successful than morbidly obese people who went the diet and exercise alone route. Those who have the BEST results are those who use their bariatric procedure as a tool in order to help them stick with the calorie deficit AND add a moderate amount of exercise. I'm not saying that people shouldn't TRY to do it without surgery.. there indeed are some who can do it this way... but before you go spewing statistics you need to have your facts straight.
Call my friend Dr Matt Andry and ask him personally.
He does the surgeries only as a last resort and will explain why its not a smart idea.
The whole reason why is the body wants what the body wants.
If you train it for gluttony, it want to be a glutton.
If you reverse engineer your brain to eat healthy, it wants to be healthy.
Get your head straight before cutting out your stomach because if it isnt, your body will find a way to get those calories in so it can continue being a glutton.
http://andrymedicalservices.com
So your friend Dr. Matt, a family practitioner is the source of your 5% statistic? Funny thing, he does not list this shocking 95% surgical failure rate statistic anywhere on his website. I definitely agree with you on one thing.. You DO need to get your head straight or bariatric surgeries will NOT be successful. You can find ways to "eat around" the surgery if your head isn't ready for surgery. And who knows, for some people, once they get their heads straight, they may find they fall into that 5% who are able to be successful without any surgical intervention. AWESOME! If you can do it without the risk of surgery then you definitely should!
You cannot possibly mean that only 5% of people can lose weight without surgical intervention....!0 -
There is no way someone could lose 15lbs in a healthy manner. For those of you looking for sources, I don't think it matters. Weight loss isn't guaranteed by the gym or surgery and it requires hard work and effort no matter what you do. Obviously she feels that the surgery is her best option at this point, but what I find concerning (even though it doesn't really matter what I think) is the waiting for the last minute to lose quite a few lbs, overdoing it at a bday party and losing weight to have a weight loss surgery. I know you probably went to the class, but the surgery is a pretty big deal
"There is no way someone could lose 15lbs in a healthy manner".....I'm assuming this is a typo.0 -
do a water fast... only water, nothing else! the hunger disappears after 2-3 days0
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Gastric Bypass is fantastic! Changed my life forever. For some of us, there was no other choice, and GBP has a way better success rate than the one posted on this forum. Research would be good for some of us.
Amen to that!! Best decision of my life!! Alot happier and way healthier now... to each their own.0 -
I need help! Had two birthdays this week... Father-in-law turned 70! I picked up 1.5kg. Now need to loose 7kg by 18 July 2013 BEFORE my gastric bypass surgery! Is this possible????
If I don't loose it they will not operate.
PLEASE help... I am desperate!
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I would like to thank every-one who has responded... For both the positive feedback and also those who gave negative feedback. It is always good to hear what others have to say...
I would like to set something straight... I had TWO birthdays within three days (both my parents-in-law) and last week I also had a birthday (my mom's) and YES, it is NO excuse and I knew about the surgery for a long time.... But the fact of the matter is, I am fat because I struggle with food! If this was not the case, then I wouldn't need help.
HOWEVER....GOOD NEWS! The pick up of 1.5kg was a false alarm (I was weighing at my mother-in-law!) Back home on my own scale I actually LOST! No wonder I was so upset, because I really worked hard and tried my best through all the birthdays!
NOW I only have 2.8kg to loose by 18 July 2013!0 -
Gastric Bypass is fantastic! Changed my life forever. For some of us, there was no other choice, and GBP has a way better success rate than the one posted on this forum. Research would be good for some of us.
Amen to that!! Best decision of my life!! Alot happier and way healthier now... to each their own.
Thank you!!0 -
Why GBP surgery?
I'm working with a guy now who started his journey at 700+LBS and is now down to the mid 500LBS.
He just works out every other day and eats right.
GBP does cause you to lose weight but only has a 5% success rate long term.
And its a huge change to your system.
If you do get the surgery, studies show better nutrient uptake from the system but youll have to dial down your intake big time, as well as drinking a lot of your calories.
What you are saying is simply not true. If you want to convince anyone that GBP has a 5% long term success rate then cite your source.. I also challenge you to find ANY study that proves that diet and exercise alone has as good or HIGHER success rate than those patients who had GBP... Truth is.. GBP is a tool that will HELP patients stick with a calorie deficit for long enough to lose a significant amount of weight.. They may not lose ALL their weight and keep it all off... but over the long term, GBP are exponentially more successful than morbidly obese people who went the diet and exercise alone route. Those who have the BEST results are those who use their bariatric procedure as a tool in order to help them stick with the calorie deficit AND add a moderate amount of exercise. I'm not saying that people shouldn't TRY to do it without surgery.. there indeed are some who can do it this way... but before you go spewing statistics you need to have your facts straight.
Call my friend Dr Matt Andry and ask him personally.
He does the surgeries only as a last resort and will explain why its not a smart idea.
The whole reason why is the body wants what the body wants.
If you train it for gluttony, it want to be a glutton.
If you reverse engineer your brain to eat healthy, it wants to be healthy.
Get your head straight before cutting out your stomach because if it isnt, your body will find a way to get those calories in so it can continue being a glutton.
http://andrymedicalservices.com
Actually for some of us it works almost in reverse. I tried diets, I tried MFP, I tried exercise, etc etc. When I committed to having surgery (RNY, Sept 2012), I knew I had to work hard and change my thinking. But what I didn't realize were the nuances and ingrained habits that were so deep that were preventing the other less-invasive techniques from working. Having surgery and having so many food restrictions forced me to confront the little things that I was doing wrong. The things I didn't even KNOW about!
Good luck to OP. It's a tough road, but well worth it when your health improves and you can do things you have never done before. Be ready to deal with a lot of mental stuff and learn, and BE SURE to follow your surgeon's program because that is what makes you successful in the long run!0 -
Some good information from my friend Dr Adel Moussa in Germany.
I asked "Adel, what causes such low success rates in GBP patients in long term? I'm on a forum with a member trying to explain that there are better ways to lose fat as opposed to cutting up the digestive track."
Adel writes:
"I guess it is partly due to the "next round in increases in tummy size"... I mean you got to practice eat so much that you actually become severely obese, so if you can to it once, you can do it twice just takes another 10 years => " There was a significant increase in failures and decrease in excellent results at 10 years when compared with 5 years. The failure rate when all patients are followed for at least 10 years was 20.4% for morbidly obese patients and 34.9% for super obese patients" - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1856611/
similar results here and especially among the "really intense eating trainers" *rofl* ?> "Weight regain was observed within 24 months after surgery in approximately 50% of patients. Both weight regain and surgical failure were higher in the superobese group. Studies in regard to metabolic and hormonal mechanisms underlying weight regain might elucidate the causes of this finding." http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11695-007-9265-1
bypass or not, in the end you need to make a change... if you are too weak you fail - sooner or later => http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19852902 (lose control, gain weight)"
So again its not a matter of finding "what" works but finding if OP has the fortitude to change the lifestyle so drastically.
Now if she came to me asking for diet and exercise advice I'd simply say:
"Eat slightly below TDEE, walk 10k steps a day, lift weights 2-4x a week and sleep well."
That prescription works for everyone.
Including T2D and PCOS.
If you need friends in the same boat look to TheDean1td1.
He's lost 155lbs eating 3k+ a day and working out 3x a week.
Some don't have the fortitude though and just want the easy way out.
Probably took years of practice to get where you are today.
Getting the fat off takes time too.
Not trying to be a douche but welcome to reality.
Good luck.
OP if you ever need help please send a PM.0 -
"There is no way someone could lose 15lbs in a healthy manner".....I'm assuming this is a typo.
Doesn't 7 kg equal like 15.4 lbs??0 -
Seriously? That's a bit to lose by then. If its that serious, I'd go for a liquid diet. Ask your doctor, because they've got those programs. They can also keep track of your diet and make sure you're getting the proper nutrients. I wouldn't try that on my own though.0
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I haven't read every bif of this discussion and can only add what my experience is. I have had a gastric balloon and after a year tried a gastric band, which is stil in but isn't inflated at the moment. All I can say is, that some of this has worked in the short term but not the long term. I can still eat above the calories required for me to either lose weight or maintain with the band in. I have dieted all my life, I have now joined MFP and after nearly 3 weeks feel a little more in control and less like this is a diet but a choice. I know some might not understand but it is my head that needs fixing and that is what I am trying to do. To change years of habitual yo yo dieting, not feeling good about yourself and worthless takes some time to change. I hope that I will succeed in this approach as I feel it is the only one I have as I know the other ways are only "Sticking Plasters". It is with disappointment that I write that as I too thought they were my only salvation, only to find that I put weight on and then some more. Everyone is different but only a small percentage of people who have surgery succeed.0
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