Someone please explain how adjustments work

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  • rainbowbow
    rainbowbow Posts: 7,490 Member
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    marm1962 wrote: »
    veganbaum wrote: »
    marm1962 wrote: »
    veganbaum wrote: »
    marm1962 wrote: »
    Did you set your goals for exercise? Me, I have mine set to 3 days @ 30 minutes each time, so fitnesspal already makes the adjustment to my calorie goals BEFORE I even do any thing else. Do you have a fitbit or similar device or app synced with your fitnesspal account? Mapmyride? ANY app that records your exercise that is linked/synced with fitnesspal will automatically adjust your calories that you need for the day. If you do, then unsync them and they will not record any of your workouts to fitnesspal.

    MFP doesn't ever include exercise until you add it in each and every time you exercise. It sounds like you're referring too the exercise goal section, which does nothing to adjust your calories.

    OP - where are you getting the 1500 from? How long have you had your fitibit? Maybe you're more active than you think you are?

    Yes, I was referring to when you first set up MFP to calculate how many calories you need based on what you put in, which includes the exercise goals, and yes I know it does not post anything in the exercise section

    MFP doesn't include that in your calories needs, though, which it sound like you're saying it does and that it might somehow affect OP's numbers.

    OP - Maybe you just shouldn't have them synced for a while, and see what your results are based on MFP's numbers and Garmin's estimations.

    Funny, when I put in that I will be working out 3 days a week @ 30 minutes a day, my daily calories for MFP changes compared to No exercise goal at all.

    So what I am saying is that MFP has already calculated her calories to include her exercise goals and her Garmin is telling them that she has already exceeded those goals and is making adjustments based on that.

    but that's not physically possible.

    MFP says you maintain on 1,600 calories.
    Garmin says yeah pretty close but around 1550 or so.

    MFP is giving me an additional 500 calories for (insert some insane nonsense reason here).

    Namsayain? There is literally no reason i can fathom as to why it's giving me extra calories.
  • veganbaum
    veganbaum Posts: 1,865 Member
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    rainbowbow wrote: »
    veganbaum wrote: »
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    veganbaum wrote: »
    Whoops, you have a Garmin, I thought I read fitbit. Is this adjustment every day?

    I'm not really sure what's going on, because it shouldn't add anything unless you're more active than you told it you would be. I can understand your confusion. I can only think that you're being more active than you thought, so it's adding those in. Are you certain 1500 was your total burned through Garmin and didn't include your deficit? If you are, I guess my post is useless, because I can't figure it out either!

    Cant take a screen shot right now... but...


    EXERCISES Calories Minutes Sets Reps Weight
    Cardiovascular
    Aerobics, general 151 19
    Garmin Connect calorie adjustment 372 1



    Totals 1,355 146 55 78 26 13
    Your Daily Goal 2,023 202 67 152 25 100
    Remaining 668 56 12 74 0 87
    Calories Carbs Fat Protein Fiber Iron


    According to garmin, i had 4,292 steps
    151 exercise calories
    1538 calories burned all day

    so i ate.. what? A 200 calorie deficit? Why the heck is it adding 500 calories.


    See what i'm talking about? So far today i've made exaclt 1,600 steps and burned 846 calories. Yet MFP has an added adjustment of "Garmin Connect calorie adjustment 434 1" so far. This is what it did yesterday too. I could understand if it was trying to predict me burning more throughout the day based on me being more active than MFP's assumptions... but.... what the heck? It's 3PM and i'm clearly not going over that today.


    P.S. it does this to my boyfriend too since he linked his to MFP. I had to actually stop him because he was about to just completely undo his calorie deficit.

    Have both of you gone into your device and made sure it's all correct - that you have the correct sex entered, height, the correct goal, all that? Because if it's telling you your goal is 2,000 calories, it seems like there's something off. I don't have a Garmin, so I don't know if there's something obvious here that another user might see. It makes no sense at all that it's telling you your goal is 2,000 calories unless you selected gain weight as your goal. It's giving me a headache now.

    yes, that's the first thing i checked. :(

    Both MFP and garmin have my same height, age, weight, sex, estimated activity level, weight loss goal per week, etc.

    :cry:

    Argh. I'm so sorry I couldn't help!
  • zoeysasha37
    zoeysasha37 Posts: 7,088 Member
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    I would un-sync your device from mfp and manually add in any extra calories earned from exercise
  • veganbaum
    veganbaum Posts: 1,865 Member
    edited May 2016
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    marm1962 wrote: »
    veganbaum wrote: »
    marm1962 wrote: »
    veganbaum wrote: »
    marm1962 wrote: »
    Did you set your goals for exercise? Me, I have mine set to 3 days @ 30 minutes each time, so fitnesspal already makes the adjustment to my calorie goals BEFORE I even do any thing else. Do you have a fitbit or similar device or app synced with your fitnesspal account? Mapmyride? ANY app that records your exercise that is linked/synced with fitnesspal will automatically adjust your calories that you need for the day. If you do, then unsync them and they will not record any of your workouts to fitnesspal.

    MFP doesn't ever include exercise until you add it in each and every time you exercise. It sounds like you're referring too the exercise goal section, which does nothing to adjust your calories.

    OP - where are you getting the 1500 from? How long have you had your fitibit? Maybe you're more active than you think you are?

    Yes, I was referring to when you first set up MFP to calculate how many calories you need based on what you put in, which includes the exercise goals, and yes I know it does not post anything in the exercise section

    MFP doesn't include that in your calories needs, though, which it sound like you're saying it does and that it might somehow affect OP's numbers.

    OP - Maybe you just shouldn't have them synced for a while, and see what your results are based on MFP's numbers and Garmin's estimations.

    Funny, when I put in that I will be working out 3 days a week @ 30 minutes a day, my daily calories for MFP changes compared to No exercise goal at all.

    So what I am saying is that MFP has already calculated her calories to include her exercise goals and her Garmin is telling them that she has already exceeded those goals and is making adjustments based on that.


    Do you have premium or something?

    My goals don't change when I alter any of that, and they never have because MFP's whole premise is based on NEAT and not TDEE. I can put in 0 workouts or 7 workouts at 1,000 minutes and nothing changes. Over the years I've seen many other posters advise newbies of the same thing, because they thought they were double counting calories if they added exercise. So, I'm not sure why yours would be different. My fitbit adjusts based on my daily activity and it doesn't double-count anything, it adds or subtracts calories based on needs - and that's why OP's so frustrated, because that's what should be happening with hers as well.
  • marm1962
    marm1962 Posts: 950 Member
    edited May 2016
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    I don't know why my changes, since they say they don't use that part.........but, I also see that the OP is adding exercise along with what movement garmin is showing........I have a fitbit and I don't record any exercise, I just let my fitbit do the reporting of my movements.......could that be the additional calories added?

    Unless I'm misunderstanding what was written in the post
  • capaul42
    capaul42 Posts: 1,390 Member
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    One thing I've noticed, and I don't know if it will help, is that mfp will predict how much you will burn (when negative adjustments are turned off) based on what you've already burned and how much of the day is left.

    For example, I've been pretty inactive this morning and when I synced this morning, it predicted my fitbit adjustment would be 1663 for the day. That's based on my activity level remaining the same until midnight. If you've been fairly active, it might make a prediction that you'll remain that active until midnight and adjust accordingly.

    This is one of the reasons I only eat back my exercise calories. So if my adjustment was 500, but my workout was only 350, I would only eat back a portion of the 350, not the 500.
  • rainbowbow
    rainbowbow Posts: 7,490 Member
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    capaul42 wrote: »
    One thing I've noticed, and I don't know if it will help, is that mfp will predict how much you will burn (when negative adjustments are turned off) based on what you've already burned and how much of the day is left.

    For example, I've been pretty inactive this morning and when I synced this morning, it predicted my fitbit adjustment would be 1663 for the day. That's based on my activity level remaining the same until midnight. If you've been fairly active, it might make a prediction that you'll remain that active until midnight and adjust accordingly.

    This is one of the reasons I only eat back my exercise calories. So if my adjustment was 500, but my workout was only 350, I would only eat back a portion of the 350, not the 500.

    yes, this is what i thought was going on. i was just wondering why on earth MFP would assume (like today for example) that i can have an extra 500 calories "based on my predicted activity level" when it is literally 3PM and i've done 1,000 steps.


    :neutral:

  • rainbowbow
    rainbowbow Posts: 7,490 Member
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    marm1962 wrote: »
    I don't know why my changes, since they say they don't use that part.........but, I also see that the OP is adding exercise along with what movement garmin is showing........I have a fitbit and I don't record any exercise, I just let my fitbit do the reporting of my movements.......could that be the additional calories added?

    Unless I'm misunderstanding what was written in the post

    I think you're misunderstanding. :(
  • veganbaum
    veganbaum Posts: 1,865 Member
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    marm1962 wrote: »

    I don't need to read that. I've been using MFP for 4 years almost continuously. I can go in and change my goals right now and it doesn't alter anything. In fact, I just did that just to verify that MFP hasn't suddenly changed how it works. No matter what my exercise goal was, my calorie goal remained the same - 1600. That sort of change would alter the very premise of MFP - NEAT. If your weekly exercise goal mattered, MFP would be using the TDEE method.

    There are so many posts about exercise calories because people don't understand NEAT [MFP] vs TDEE [pretty much every other calculator]. Anyway, this is a side conversation. OP has been here a long time, too, and I'm pretty sure understands adding exercise calories. The issue seems like it's coming down to some sort of synching or something with the device itself.
  • rainbowbow
    rainbowbow Posts: 7,490 Member
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    veganbaum wrote: »
    marm1962 wrote: »

    I don't need to read that. I've been using MFP for 4 years almost continuously. I can go in and change my goals right now and it doesn't alter anything. In fact, I just did that just to verify that MFP hasn't suddenly changed how it works. No matter what my exercise goal was, my calorie goal remained the same - 1600. That sort of change would alter the very premise of MFP - NEAT. If your weekly exercise goal mattered, MFP would be using the TDEE method.

    There are so many posts about exercise calories because people don't understand NEAT [MFP] vs TDEE [pretty much every other calculator]. Anyway, this is a side conversation. OP has been here a long time, too, and I'm pretty sure understands adding exercise calories. The issue seems like it's coming down to some sort of synching or something with the device itself.

    Exactly this. I already contacted support yesterday to see what was up and they pretty much said "yeah, it's added calories based on your predicted movement" and closed the ticket. Which left me completely confused, so i decided to start this thread. I just could not understand the logic behind WHY this would work this way and WHY i don't see anyone else complaining about it.


    Luckily i understand how MFP works, how to properly create a deficit, how the "exercise goal" doesn't actually add calories, etc. Otherwise I could be completely undoing my deficit. Like i said... my boyfriend who doesn't know any better got an extra 600 calories added to his and it's the same thing (he maintained on 2,100 yesterday and has both set to maintenance yet MFP added 600 calories telling him to consume 2,700). thank god i saw it and stopped him :confounded:
  • veganbaum
    veganbaum Posts: 1,865 Member
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    rainbowbow wrote: »
    veganbaum wrote: »
    marm1962 wrote: »

    I don't need to read that. I've been using MFP for 4 years almost continuously. I can go in and change my goals right now and it doesn't alter anything. In fact, I just did that just to verify that MFP hasn't suddenly changed how it works. No matter what my exercise goal was, my calorie goal remained the same - 1600. That sort of change would alter the very premise of MFP - NEAT. If your weekly exercise goal mattered, MFP would be using the TDEE method.

    There are so many posts about exercise calories because people don't understand NEAT [MFP] vs TDEE [pretty much every other calculator]. Anyway, this is a side conversation. OP has been here a long time, too, and I'm pretty sure understands adding exercise calories. The issue seems like it's coming down to some sort of synching or something with the device itself.

    Exactly this. I already contacted support yesterday to see what was up and they pretty much said "yeah, it's added calories based on your predicted movement" and closed the ticket. Which left me completely confused, so i decided to start this thread. I just could not understand the logic behind WHY this would work this way and WHY i don't see anyone else complaining about it.


    Luckily i understand how MFP works, how to properly create a deficit, how the "exercise goal" doesn't actually add calories, etc. Otherwise I could be completely undoing my deficit. Like i said... my boyfriend who doesn't know any better got an extra 600 calories added to his and it's the same thing (he maintained on 2,100 yesterday and has both set to maintenance yet MFP added 600 calories telling him to consume 2,700). thank god i saw it and stopped him :confounded:

    Maybe someone who uses a Garmin will come in here and help. I have a fitbit and have negative adjustments enabled and have not had this issue. It will do some extrapolation based on activity, but I've never had hundreds of calories of adjustments like that. I've had it long enough that I know I can eat about 1800 each day and be within my deficit, so I don't necessarily have to synch it if I don't want to. Primarily I synch it because I use a weekly average deficit, and it really simplifies that. Otherwise, I could unsynch it and be okay. Even though it's frustrating that it's doing that right now, maybe you can focus on using it for a period of time and see what it's giving you as an average and at least use that? Good luck!
  • jessiethe3rd
    jessiethe3rd Posts: 239 Member
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    Think of it this way...

    Myfitnesspal creates a hypothetical calorie burn based on your age, height, activity level, and sex. It gives you a number to start off and then starts subtracting or add based on calorie intake and outtake.

    The number is hypothetical and may or may not reflect your actual activities day to day.

    A fitness tracker tracks your calories realtime based on your activities. It starts with zero and ends with what you actually did. It does not use any hypothetical numbers. It uses your real activity.

    The issue here is they MFP starts with a hypothetical number while a tracker creates the number. Sometimes the number your personal tracker tracks will be lower than the hypothetical number that MFP creates. Since it is in real-time, of you have the negative adjust feature set, it will start removing calories until you start doing activities to add it back. That's why the negative count happens. It says disable the feature of you don't wear your tracker consistently. That is best as you want MFP to give you future calories left. Use the bands information as guidance to help you understand if you are tracking the right typical calories burned daily. The best indicator is of course the scale.

    Use the fitness tracker for workout tracking. Remove the negative tracking. Also if the tracker gets more calories MFP will adjust for you.

    Hope this helps
  • G8rRay
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    Based upon the numbers data that you posted and from my understanding of what you said you entered into MFP (1,500 C, daily need), the 523 C addition was from the manual entry for exercise (151 C) and Garmin's adjustment (372 C). So, your MFP calorie adjustment is 1,500 + (151 + 372) = 2,023. And, the macros were adjusted proportionally. [Note: If you were wearing your Garmin during the exercise, its adjustment also included those exercise calories.]

    I have a Garmin Vivosmart that records steps and produces Garmin's estimate of daily calorie burn. I cannot recall any time (not even once) that calorie burn & calorie consumed on Garmin Connect and on MFP were the same...and I have them linked. I only pay attention to MFP goals. I'm trying to "maintain," currently, and, if my calorie consumption is fairly close to MFP's "Your Daily Goals" over a week's time, I do maintain my weight (with slight variations, weekly).
  • rainbowbow
    rainbowbow Posts: 7,490 Member
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    Think of it this way...

    Myfitnesspal creates a hypothetical calorie burn based on your age, height, activity level, and sex. It gives you a number to start off and then starts subtracting or add based on calorie intake and outtake.

    The number is hypothetical and may or may not reflect your actual activities day to day.

    A fitness tracker tracks your calories realtime based on your activities. It starts with zero and ends with what you actually did. It does not use any hypothetical numbers. It uses your real activity.

    The issue here is they MFP starts with a hypothetical number while a tracker creates the number. Sometimes the number your personal tracker tracks will be lower than the hypothetical number that MFP creates. Since it is in real-time, of you have the negative adjust feature set, it will start removing calories until you start doing activities to add it back. That's why the negative count happens. It says disable the feature of you don't wear your tracker consistently. That is best as you want MFP to give you future calories left. Use the bands information as guidance to help you understand if you are tracking the right typical calories burned daily. The best indicator is of course the scale.

    Use the fitness tracker for workout tracking. Remove the negative tracking. Also if the tracker gets more calories MFP will adjust for you.

    Hope this helps

    I don't think you read any of my posts. :(
  • rainbowbow
    rainbowbow Posts: 7,490 Member
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    G8rRay wrote: »
    Based upon the numbers data that you posted and from my understanding of what you said you entered into MFP (1,500 C, daily need), the 523 C addition was from the manual entry for exercise (151 C) and Garmin's adjustment (372 C). So, your MFP calorie adjustment is 1,500 + (151 + 372) = 2,023. And, the macros were adjusted proportionally. [Note: If you were wearing your Garmin during the exercise, its adjustment also included those exercise calories.]

    I have a Garmin Vivosmart that records steps and produces Garmin's estimate of daily calorie burn. I cannot recall any time (not even once) that calorie burn & calorie consumed on Garmin Connect and on MFP were the same...and I have them linked. I only pay attention to MFP goals. I'm trying to "maintain," currently, and, if my calorie consumption is fairly close to MFP's "Your Daily Goals" over a week's time, I do maintain my weight (with slight variations, weekly).

    this is the issue. I did not burn more than 1,500 that day total.
  • rainbowbow
    rainbowbow Posts: 7,490 Member
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    veganbaum wrote: »
    rainbowbow wrote: »
    veganbaum wrote: »
    marm1962 wrote: »

    I don't need to read that. I've been using MFP for 4 years almost continuously. I can go in and change my goals right now and it doesn't alter anything. In fact, I just did that just to verify that MFP hasn't suddenly changed how it works. No matter what my exercise goal was, my calorie goal remained the same - 1600. That sort of change would alter the very premise of MFP - NEAT. If your weekly exercise goal mattered, MFP would be using the TDEE method.

    There are so many posts about exercise calories because people don't understand NEAT [MFP] vs TDEE [pretty much every other calculator]. Anyway, this is a side conversation. OP has been here a long time, too, and I'm pretty sure understands adding exercise calories. The issue seems like it's coming down to some sort of synching or something with the device itself.

    Exactly this. I already contacted support yesterday to see what was up and they pretty much said "yeah, it's added calories based on your predicted movement" and closed the ticket. Which left me completely confused, so i decided to start this thread. I just could not understand the logic behind WHY this would work this way and WHY i don't see anyone else complaining about it.


    Luckily i understand how MFP works, how to properly create a deficit, how the "exercise goal" doesn't actually add calories, etc. Otherwise I could be completely undoing my deficit. Like i said... my boyfriend who doesn't know any better got an extra 600 calories added to his and it's the same thing (he maintained on 2,100 yesterday and has both set to maintenance yet MFP added 600 calories telling him to consume 2,700). thank god i saw it and stopped him :confounded:

    Maybe someone who uses a Garmin will come in here and help. I have a fitbit and have negative adjustments enabled and have not had this issue. It will do some extrapolation based on activity, but I've never had hundreds of calories of adjustments like that. I've had it long enough that I know I can eat about 1800 each day and be within my deficit, so I don't necessarily have to synch it if I don't want to. Primarily I synch it because I use a weekly average deficit, and it really simplifies that. Otherwise, I could unsynch it and be okay. Even though it's frustrating that it's doing that right now, maybe you can focus on using it for a period of time and see what it's giving you as an average and at least use that? Good luck!

    Thanks. The main reason i bought it is because i'm a personal trainer. on my days off like today and yesterday i don't burn very much. on days i'm training clients i think it will vary wildly. Some days i do morning and evening bootcamps, sessions, group classes, etc. This is the whole reason i bought it.


    I can, however, just see what i'm burning manually. It's just a shame that it isn't working as i'd envisioned.

    Thanks again. I don't think anyone else is really understanding what i'm saying here. XD
  • heatherheyns
    heatherheyns Posts: 144 Member
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    First, are you able to click on the adjustment? When I do, it gives me a breakdown of the numbers. It tells me I've burned, for example, 1500 so far , so it expects me to burn 2000 by the end of the day, and then shows that the difference between that last number and my mfp estimate is that adjustment. You still burn calories while you're asleep, all evening. So, that could be why, it is estimating that since you've burn 1500 so far, and will burn calories the rest of the day, you will end up burnimg tha 2000k calories. I have a fitbit, not a Garmin, but that would be my guess. If it giving you problems sometimes deleting the adjustment, unsyncing and resyncing can help.
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 27,988 Member
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    rainbowbow wrote: »
    veganbaum wrote: »
    marm1962 wrote: »
    veganbaum wrote: »
    marm1962 wrote: »
    Did you set your goals for exercise? Me, I have mine set to 3 days @ 30 minutes each time, so fitnesspal already makes the adjustment to my calorie goals BEFORE I even do any thing else. Do you have a fitbit or similar device or app synced with your fitnesspal account? Mapmyride? ANY app that records your exercise that is linked/synced with fitnesspal will automatically adjust your calories that you need for the day. If you do, then unsync them and they will not record any of your workouts to fitnesspal.

    MFP doesn't ever include exercise until you add it in each and every time you exercise. It sounds like you're referring too the exercise goal section, which does nothing to adjust your calories.

    OP - where are you getting the 1500 from? How long have you had your fitibit? Maybe you're more active than you think you are?

    Yes, I was referring to when you first set up MFP to calculate how many calories you need based on what you put in, which includes the exercise goals, and yes I know it does not post anything in the exercise section

    MFP doesn't include that in your calories needs, though, which it sound like you're saying it does and that it might somehow affect OP's numbers.

    OP - Maybe you just shouldn't have them synced for a while, and see what your results are based on MFP's numbers and Garmin's estimations.

    I guess. It just makes me mad. I've been a member of MFP for 5 years. I finally have a really really expensive device and one of it's features is "sync's with MFP". It's just infuriating that MFP would even offer such a technology if it doesn't even work. :angry: Like, why even track with MFP instead of fitbit, garmin, etc. , ya know? Seems kind of useless to track my activity with one device and then have to manually add up "okay today i burned x calories so i can eat x calories".

    Is the Garmin new? People say to give fitbits a few days/week for it to "get to know you" so the same may be true for your Garmin.

    If it doesn't straighten out in a few days, try Garmin support.

  • BinaryFu
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    I hate to say it, but this is why my setup in MFP is set to SEDENTARY. Period. Any exercise I do, I'll add it myself. If I pull it off a fitness watch or not, doesn't matter, I'll add it manually.

    It stops problems like this dead in their tracks.

    I know everyone and their sister has a FitBit and every other health/fitness/smartwatch gizmo, but that doesn't make them standardized tech yet. They're still very, very new tech with lots of bugs, glitches, headaches and hassles with accuracy, quality and a surplus or deficit of data measured (accurately or not) and recorded.

    Now let's add to that the ability to "sync" with a website's data server. The website now has to know how each and every single one of these devices works, reports and fails. Or, they just have to guesstimate.

    MFP looks like they're trying something a little too cutting edge by trying to predict your calorie burn remaining - which is just plain stupid on so many levels I don't even want to get into it.

    Just because you can do something wizzy and cool, doesn't mean it's useful at all.

    Seriously though, stop letting cutting edge new tech dictate your health. Use it as a tool, nothing more and you'll do fine.

    In this case, that means exactly what I said earlier - you log the exercise, not the Garmin. When you do that, I don't think MFP will be attempting prediction based calories.