challenging myself to give up pop
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stevencloser wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »Despite misinformation, good choice to give up sodas. One fact about phosphoric acid in dark sodas that I always found interesting is that it's literally dangerous for dialysis patients to drink. Healthy kidneys can process additional phosphorus, but once you have kidney failure, it can't get rid of it, causing phosphorus to build up in the blood, which will cause hyperphosphatemia. Then again, many foods have phosphorus in it and your body actually needs it, but not as much as a processed diet will give you.
This is useful information for people with bad kidneys. My kidneys are fine.
I think it's useful information for anyone. Everyone is healthy until they are not.
Avoiding peanuts isn't just good advice for people with a peanut allergy, because everyone is healthy until they're not.
Don't compare apples to oranges. If you paid attention to my original post, I'm not bashing phosphorus, just that there's too much of it in processed food, leading to possible future kidney issues.
Phosphorus doesn't cause kidney diseases, but people with kidney disease need to pay attention to their phosphorus intake.
Peanuts don't cause peanut allergies, but people with an allergy need to pay attention to their intake.5 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »Despite misinformation, good choice to give up sodas. One fact about phosphoric acid in dark sodas that I always found interesting is that it's literally dangerous for dialysis patients to drink. Healthy kidneys can process additional phosphorus, but once you have kidney failure, it can't get rid of it, causing phosphorus to build up in the blood, which will cause hyperphosphatemia. Then again, many foods have phosphorus in it and your body actually needs it, but not as much as a processed diet will give you.
This is useful information for people with bad kidneys. My kidneys are fine.
I think it's useful information for anyone. Everyone is healthy until they are not.
Avoiding peanuts isn't just good advice for people with a peanut allergy, because everyone is healthy until they're not.
Don't compare apples to oranges. If you paid attention to my original post, I'm not bashing phosphorus, just that there's too much of it in processed food, leading to possible future kidney issues.
Phosphorus doesn't cause kidney diseases, but people with kidney disease need to pay attention to their phosphorus intake.
Peanuts don't cause peanut allergies, but people with an allergy need to pay attention to their intake.
Too much phosphorous can be toxic, not just to people with kidney disease.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »Despite misinformation, good choice to give up sodas. One fact about phosphoric acid in dark sodas that I always found interesting is that it's literally dangerous for dialysis patients to drink. Healthy kidneys can process additional phosphorus, but once you have kidney failure, it can't get rid of it, causing phosphorus to build up in the blood, which will cause hyperphosphatemia. Then again, many foods have phosphorus in it and your body actually needs it, but not as much as a processed diet will give you.
This is useful information for people with bad kidneys. My kidneys are fine.
I think it's useful information for anyone. Everyone is healthy until they are not.
Avoiding peanuts isn't just good advice for people with a peanut allergy, because everyone is healthy until they're not.
Don't compare apples to oranges. If you paid attention to my original post, I'm not bashing phosphorus, just that there's too much of it in processed food, leading to possible future kidney issues.
Phosphorus doesn't cause kidney diseases, but people with kidney disease need to pay attention to their phosphorus intake.
Peanuts don't cause peanut allergies, but people with an allergy need to pay attention to their intake.
Too much phosphorous can be toxic, not just to people with kidney disease.
So can too much water.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »Despite misinformation, good choice to give up sodas. One fact about phosphoric acid in dark sodas that I always found interesting is that it's literally dangerous for dialysis patients to drink. Healthy kidneys can process additional phosphorus, but once you have kidney failure, it can't get rid of it, causing phosphorus to build up in the blood, which will cause hyperphosphatemia. Then again, many foods have phosphorus in it and your body actually needs it, but not as much as a processed diet will give you.
This is useful information for people with bad kidneys. My kidneys are fine.
I think it's useful information for anyone. Everyone is healthy until they are not.
Avoiding peanuts isn't just good advice for people with a peanut allergy, because everyone is healthy until they're not.
Don't compare apples to oranges. If you paid attention to my original post, I'm not bashing phosphorus, just that there's too much of it in processed food, leading to possible future kidney issues.
Phosphorus doesn't cause kidney diseases, but people with kidney disease need to pay attention to their phosphorus intake.
Peanuts don't cause peanut allergies, but people with an allergy need to pay attention to their intake.
Too much phosphorous can be toxic, not just to people with kidney disease.
So can too much water.
or oxygen.
edit- anything and everything in excess can kill you. the end.1 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »Despite misinformation, good choice to give up sodas. One fact about phosphoric acid in dark sodas that I always found interesting is that it's literally dangerous for dialysis patients to drink. Healthy kidneys can process additional phosphorus, but once you have kidney failure, it can't get rid of it, causing phosphorus to build up in the blood, which will cause hyperphosphatemia. Then again, many foods have phosphorus in it and your body actually needs it, but not as much as a processed diet will give you.
This is useful information for people with bad kidneys. My kidneys are fine.
I think it's useful information for anyone. Everyone is healthy until they are not.
Avoiding peanuts isn't just good advice for people with a peanut allergy, because everyone is healthy until they're not.
Don't compare apples to oranges. If you paid attention to my original post, I'm not bashing phosphorus, just that there's too much of it in processed food, leading to possible future kidney issues.
Phosphorus doesn't cause kidney diseases, but people with kidney disease need to pay attention to their phosphorus intake.
Peanuts don't cause peanut allergies, but people with an allergy need to pay attention to their intake.
Too much phosphorous can be toxic, not just to people with kidney disease.
So can too much water.
I never said it didn't, but you need water to live. You don't need soda.1 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »Despite misinformation, good choice to give up sodas. One fact about phosphoric acid in dark sodas that I always found interesting is that it's literally dangerous for dialysis patients to drink. Healthy kidneys can process additional phosphorus, but once you have kidney failure, it can't get rid of it, causing phosphorus to build up in the blood, which will cause hyperphosphatemia. Then again, many foods have phosphorus in it and your body actually needs it, but not as much as a processed diet will give you.
This is useful information for people with bad kidneys. My kidneys are fine.
I think it's useful information for anyone. Everyone is healthy until they are not.
Avoiding peanuts isn't just good advice for people with a peanut allergy, because everyone is healthy until they're not.
Don't compare apples to oranges. If you paid attention to my original post, I'm not bashing phosphorus, just that there's too much of it in processed food, leading to possible future kidney issues.
Phosphorus doesn't cause kidney diseases, but people with kidney disease need to pay attention to their phosphorus intake.
Peanuts don't cause peanut allergies, but people with an allergy need to pay attention to their intake.
Too much phosphorous can be toxic, not just to people with kidney disease.
So can too much water.
I never said it didn't, but you need water to live. You don't need soda.
Arsenic then?
Have you started a campaign against people eating apples because they may ingest one of the seeds?
Everything can sound scary when you talk about taking in too much. Doesn't mean you can't have any at all. You can consume moderate amounts of soda and be perfectly fine.2 -
OP, great job on stepping up to the challenge.
I usually only drink soda on rare occasions (such as parties).1 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »Despite misinformation, good choice to give up sodas. One fact about phosphoric acid in dark sodas that I always found interesting is that it's literally dangerous for dialysis patients to drink. Healthy kidneys can process additional phosphorus, but once you have kidney failure, it can't get rid of it, causing phosphorus to build up in the blood, which will cause hyperphosphatemia. Then again, many foods have phosphorus in it and your body actually needs it, but not as much as a processed diet will give you.
This is useful information for people with bad kidneys. My kidneys are fine.
I think it's useful information for anyone. Everyone is healthy until they are not.
Avoiding peanuts isn't just good advice for people with a peanut allergy, because everyone is healthy until they're not.
Don't compare apples to oranges. If you paid attention to my original post, I'm not bashing phosphorus, just that there's too much of it in processed food, leading to possible future kidney issues.
Phosphorus doesn't cause kidney diseases, but people with kidney disease need to pay attention to their phosphorus intake.
Peanuts don't cause peanut allergies, but people with an allergy need to pay attention to their intake.
Too much phosphorous can be toxic, not just to people with kidney disease.
So can too much water.
I never said it didn't, but you need water to live. You don't need soda.
You need phosphorus to live too.1 -
jenniferpiotrowski0 wrote: »But based off the information I read..I'm guessing we would throw up without the acid in it due to the high sugar content
It's good that you're being mindful of what you consume.
but don't be suckered in by *kitten*.
This is patently false. Quit drinking soda because you want to save the calories for another thing, perhaps. but not for silly nonsense.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »Despite misinformation, good choice to give up sodas. One fact about phosphoric acid in dark sodas that I always found interesting is that it's literally dangerous for dialysis patients to drink. Healthy kidneys can process additional phosphorus, but once you have kidney failure, it can't get rid of it, causing phosphorus to build up in the blood, which will cause hyperphosphatemia. Then again, many foods have phosphorus in it and your body actually needs it, but not as much as a processed diet will give you.
This is useful information for people with bad kidneys. My kidneys are fine.
I think it's useful information for anyone. Everyone is healthy until they are not.
Avoiding peanuts isn't just good advice for people with a peanut allergy, because everyone is healthy until they're not.
Don't compare apples to oranges. If you paid attention to my original post, I'm not bashing phosphorus, just that there's too much of it in processed food, leading to possible future kidney issues.
Phosphorus doesn't cause kidney diseases, but people with kidney disease need to pay attention to their phosphorus intake.
Peanuts don't cause peanut allergies, but people with an allergy need to pay attention to their intake.
Too much phosphorous can be toxic, not just to people with kidney disease.
So can too much water.
I never said it didn't, but you need water to live. You don't need soda.
Are you saying you have eliminated everything that may be harmful in excess if you don't require it in order to survive?0 -
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I wish you could share that post so I could convince my 23 y.o. daughter to stop drinking it. even if it's without backing, any motivation to stop is a good thing. she only lives off soda, barely any food. then she thinks if she switches to energy drinks, its more nutritious, I cringe every time I see a can in her hand. young and thin now but it can get you later. maybe if I tell her the acne will go away she'll be convinced.
I would think you would be more concerned that she's barely eating any food than that she's at least getting some calories from soda. If you want to send her to a website, perhaps a legitimate one that offers real information on nutritional needs that aren't met by soda (protein, fat, vitamins, mineral, fiber), rather than a pseudo-science scare site about soda.1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »Despite misinformation, good choice to give up sodas. One fact about phosphoric acid in dark sodas that I always found interesting is that it's literally dangerous for dialysis patients to drink. Healthy kidneys can process additional phosphorus, but once you have kidney failure, it can't get rid of it, causing phosphorus to build up in the blood, which will cause hyperphosphatemia. Then again, many foods have phosphorus in it and your body actually needs it, but not as much as a processed diet will give you.
This is useful information for people with bad kidneys. My kidneys are fine.
I think it's useful information for anyone. Everyone is healthy until they are not.
Avoiding peanuts isn't just good advice for people with a peanut allergy, because everyone is healthy until they're not.
Don't compare apples to oranges. If you paid attention to my original post, I'm not bashing phosphorus, just that there's too much of it in processed food, leading to possible future kidney issues.
Phosphorus doesn't cause kidney diseases, but people with kidney disease need to pay attention to their phosphorus intake.
Peanuts don't cause peanut allergies, but people with an allergy need to pay attention to their intake.
Too much phosphorous can be toxic, not just to people with kidney disease.
So can too much water.
I never said it didn't, but you need water to live. You don't need soda.
Are you saying you have eliminated everything that may be harmful in excess if you don't require it in order to survive?
I give up. If people don't bother to read my original post or misunderstand what I was saying, that's your own problem. I stated it was a fact I found to be interesting. Nothing more. I don't know why so many people are defending soda.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »Despite misinformation, good choice to give up sodas. One fact about phosphoric acid in dark sodas that I always found interesting is that it's literally dangerous for dialysis patients to drink. Healthy kidneys can process additional phosphorus, but once you have kidney failure, it can't get rid of it, causing phosphorus to build up in the blood, which will cause hyperphosphatemia. Then again, many foods have phosphorus in it and your body actually needs it, but not as much as a processed diet will give you.
This is useful information for people with bad kidneys. My kidneys are fine.
I think it's useful information for anyone. Everyone is healthy until they are not.
Avoiding peanuts isn't just good advice for people with a peanut allergy, because everyone is healthy until they're not.
Don't compare apples to oranges. If you paid attention to my original post, I'm not bashing phosphorus, just that there's too much of it in processed food, leading to possible future kidney issues.
Phosphorus doesn't cause kidney diseases, but people with kidney disease need to pay attention to their phosphorus intake.
Peanuts don't cause peanut allergies, but people with an allergy need to pay attention to their intake.
Too much phosphorous can be toxic, not just to people with kidney disease.
So can too much water.
I never said it didn't, but you need water to live. You don't need soda.
You need phosphorus to live too.
Yep. I stated that in my original post. Thanks for playing.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »Despite misinformation, good choice to give up sodas. One fact about phosphoric acid in dark sodas that I always found interesting is that it's literally dangerous for dialysis patients to drink. Healthy kidneys can process additional phosphorus, but once you have kidney failure, it can't get rid of it, causing phosphorus to build up in the blood, which will cause hyperphosphatemia. Then again, many foods have phosphorus in it and your body actually needs it, but not as much as a processed diet will give you.
This is useful information for people with bad kidneys. My kidneys are fine.
I think it's useful information for anyone. Everyone is healthy until they are not.
Avoiding peanuts isn't just good advice for people with a peanut allergy, because everyone is healthy until they're not.
Don't compare apples to oranges. If you paid attention to my original post, I'm not bashing phosphorus, just that there's too much of it in processed food, leading to possible future kidney issues.
Phosphorus doesn't cause kidney diseases, but people with kidney disease need to pay attention to their phosphorus intake.
Peanuts don't cause peanut allergies, but people with an allergy need to pay attention to their intake.
Too much phosphorous can be toxic, not just to people with kidney disease.
So can too much water.
I never said it didn't, but you need water to live. You don't need soda.
Arsenic then?
Have you started a campaign against people eating apples because they may ingest one of the seeds?
Everything can sound scary when you talk about taking in too much. Doesn't mean you can't have any at all. You can consume moderate amounts of soda and be perfectly fine.
I never said you couldn't.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »Despite misinformation, good choice to give up sodas. One fact about phosphoric acid in dark sodas that I always found interesting is that it's literally dangerous for dialysis patients to drink. Healthy kidneys can process additional phosphorus, but once you have kidney failure, it can't get rid of it, causing phosphorus to build up in the blood, which will cause hyperphosphatemia. Then again, many foods have phosphorus in it and your body actually needs it, but not as much as a processed diet will give you.
This is useful information for people with bad kidneys. My kidneys are fine.
I think it's useful information for anyone. Everyone is healthy until they are not.
Avoiding peanuts isn't just good advice for people with a peanut allergy, because everyone is healthy until they're not.
Don't compare apples to oranges. If you paid attention to my original post, I'm not bashing phosphorus, just that there's too much of it in processed food, leading to possible future kidney issues.
Phosphorus doesn't cause kidney diseases, but people with kidney disease need to pay attention to their phosphorus intake.
Peanuts don't cause peanut allergies, but people with an allergy need to pay attention to their intake.
Too much phosphorous can be toxic, not just to people with kidney disease.
So can too much water.
I never said it didn't, but you need water to live. You don't need soda.
Are you saying you have eliminated everything that may be harmful in excess if you don't require it in order to survive?
I give up. If people don't bother to read my original post or misunderstand what I was saying, that's your own problem. I stated it was a fact I found to be interesting. Nothing more. I don't know why so many people are defending soda.
I'm not defending soda (it's irrelevant to me whether or not people want to drink it) as much as challenging what looks like misinformation. There are lots of things that people with specific illnesses or conditions should avoid. It doesn't logically follow that everyone else must avoid them. And there are lots of things that are harmful in excess that aren't necessary for us to consume. But most of us adopt the practice of understanding the level of consumption where harm can take place and keeping our consumption below that instead of totally eliminating it from our diet.
Looking at the harm caused by *too much* of something isn't a helpful way to determine whether we should eliminate something from our diets.6 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »Despite misinformation, good choice to give up sodas. One fact about phosphoric acid in dark sodas that I always found interesting is that it's literally dangerous for dialysis patients to drink. Healthy kidneys can process additional phosphorus, but once you have kidney failure, it can't get rid of it, causing phosphorus to build up in the blood, which will cause hyperphosphatemia. Then again, many foods have phosphorus in it and your body actually needs it, but not as much as a processed diet will give you.
This is useful information for people with bad kidneys. My kidneys are fine.
I think it's useful information for anyone. Everyone is healthy until they are not.
Avoiding peanuts isn't just good advice for people with a peanut allergy, because everyone is healthy until they're not.
Don't compare apples to oranges. If you paid attention to my original post, I'm not bashing phosphorus, just that there's too much of it in processed food, leading to possible future kidney issues.
Phosphorus doesn't cause kidney diseases, but people with kidney disease need to pay attention to their phosphorus intake.
Peanuts don't cause peanut allergies, but people with an allergy need to pay attention to their intake.
Too much phosphorous can be toxic, not just to people with kidney disease.
So can too much water.
I never said it didn't, but you need water to live. You don't need soda.
Are you saying you have eliminated everything that may be harmful in excess if you don't require it in order to survive?
I give up. If people don't bother to read my original post or misunderstand what I was saying, that's your own problem. I stated it was a fact I found to be interesting. Nothing more. I don't know why so many people are defending soda.
I'm not defending soda (it's irrelevant to me whether or not people want to drink it) as much as challenging what looks like misinformation. There are lots of things that people with specific illnesses or conditions should avoid. It doesn't logically follow that everyone else must avoid them. And there are lots of things that are harmful in excess that aren't necessary for us to consume. But most of us adopt the practice of understanding the level of consumption where harm can take place and keeping our consumption below that instead of totally eliminating it from our diet.
Looking at the harm caused by *too much* of something isn't a helpful way to determine whether we should eliminate something from our diets.
Isn't the purpose of this website to keep in check what we all have too much of? I don't see anything wrong with a soda every now and then, hell I just had a mountain dew this morning, but I don't see anything wrong with someone believing it's not the best thing for their bodies, and therefore choosing not to drink it and asking for support.3 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »Despite misinformation, good choice to give up sodas. One fact about phosphoric acid in dark sodas that I always found interesting is that it's literally dangerous for dialysis patients to drink. Healthy kidneys can process additional phosphorus, but once you have kidney failure, it can't get rid of it, causing phosphorus to build up in the blood, which will cause hyperphosphatemia. Then again, many foods have phosphorus in it and your body actually needs it, but not as much as a processed diet will give you.
This is useful information for people with bad kidneys. My kidneys are fine.
I think it's useful information for anyone. Everyone is healthy until they are not.
Avoiding peanuts isn't just good advice for people with a peanut allergy, because everyone is healthy until they're not.
Don't compare apples to oranges. If you paid attention to my original post, I'm not bashing phosphorus, just that there's too much of it in processed food, leading to possible future kidney issues.
Phosphorus doesn't cause kidney diseases, but people with kidney disease need to pay attention to their phosphorus intake.
Peanuts don't cause peanut allergies, but people with an allergy need to pay attention to their intake.
Too much phosphorous can be toxic, not just to people with kidney disease.
So can too much water.
I never said it didn't, but you need water to live. You don't need soda.
You need phosphorus to live too.
Yep. I stated that in my original post. Thanks for playing.
I'd like to keep playing "What even is the point you're trying to make".
Because milk has 6 times more phosphorus in it than coke. In fact, milk and cheese have more phosphorus in it than most of the processed foods listed here.
https://www.kidney.org/atoz/content/phosphorus
Also, the RDI for phosphorus is 1000 mg, equivalent to 218 oz of coke.
https://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/scales/dailyvalues.htm
So...4 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »Despite misinformation, good choice to give up sodas. One fact about phosphoric acid in dark sodas that I always found interesting is that it's literally dangerous for dialysis patients to drink. Healthy kidneys can process additional phosphorus, but once you have kidney failure, it can't get rid of it, causing phosphorus to build up in the blood, which will cause hyperphosphatemia. Then again, many foods have phosphorus in it and your body actually needs it, but not as much as a processed diet will give you.
This is useful information for people with bad kidneys. My kidneys are fine.
I think it's useful information for anyone. Everyone is healthy until they are not.
Avoiding peanuts isn't just good advice for people with a peanut allergy, because everyone is healthy until they're not.
Don't compare apples to oranges. If you paid attention to my original post, I'm not bashing phosphorus, just that there's too much of it in processed food, leading to possible future kidney issues.
Phosphorus doesn't cause kidney diseases, but people with kidney disease need to pay attention to their phosphorus intake.
Peanuts don't cause peanut allergies, but people with an allergy need to pay attention to their intake.
Too much phosphorous can be toxic, not just to people with kidney disease.
So can too much water.
I never said it didn't, but you need water to live. You don't need soda.
You need phosphorus to live too.
Yep. I stated that in my original post. Thanks for playing.
I'd like to keep playing "What even is the point you're trying to make".
Because milk has 6 times more phosphorus in it than coke. In fact, milk and cheese have more phosphorus in it than most of the processed foods listed here.
https://www.kidney.org/atoz/content/phosphorus
Also, the RDI for phosphorus is 1000 mg, equivalent to 218 oz of coke.
https://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/scales/dailyvalues.htm
So...
Go back and read my original post. Thanks.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »Despite misinformation, good choice to give up sodas. One fact about phosphoric acid in dark sodas that I always found interesting is that it's literally dangerous for dialysis patients to drink. Healthy kidneys can process additional phosphorus, but once you have kidney failure, it can't get rid of it, causing phosphorus to build up in the blood, which will cause hyperphosphatemia. Then again, many foods have phosphorus in it and your body actually needs it, but not as much as a processed diet will give you.
This is useful information for people with bad kidneys. My kidneys are fine.
I think it's useful information for anyone. Everyone is healthy until they are not.
Avoiding peanuts isn't just good advice for people with a peanut allergy, because everyone is healthy until they're not.
Don't compare apples to oranges. If you paid attention to my original post, I'm not bashing phosphorus, just that there's too much of it in processed food, leading to possible future kidney issues.
Phosphorus doesn't cause kidney diseases, but people with kidney disease need to pay attention to their phosphorus intake.
Peanuts don't cause peanut allergies, but people with an allergy need to pay attention to their intake.
Too much phosphorous can be toxic, not just to people with kidney disease.
So can too much water.
I never said it didn't, but you need water to live. You don't need soda.
You need phosphorus to live too.
Yep. I stated that in my original post. Thanks for playing.
I'd like to keep playing "What even is the point you're trying to make".
Because milk has 6 times more phosphorus in it than coke. In fact, milk and cheese have more phosphorus in it than most of the processed foods listed here.
https://www.kidney.org/atoz/content/phosphorus
Also, the RDI for phosphorus is 1000 mg, equivalent to 218 oz of coke.
https://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/scales/dailyvalues.htm
So...
Go back and read my original post. Thanks.
Yeah, you said there's too much in processed foods.
There ain't, which I just showed. The only thing in the list of high phosphorus foods on the kidney.org site that had more phosphorus than a glass of milk or a bit of cheese was a whole fast food sausage and egg breakfast.
You'd need 200 oz of coke just to reach the RDI.
The ADI is 4000 for adults, so 800 oz of coke EVERY DAY would be a dangerous amount of phosphorus to a healthy person.
https://www.nrv.gov.au/nutrients/phosphorus0 -
Well that's Interesting.. is phosperous and phosperic acid the same thing? I mean I know the words look similar. Idk I feel like there's too much lack of information about what's actually in our food and what the words mean if we end up reading the food level. I feel like nobody can tell if something is truly good,ok or bad for you unless you get the obvious fruits and veggies from a farm or something0
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stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »Despite misinformation, good choice to give up sodas. One fact about phosphoric acid in dark sodas that I always found interesting is that it's literally dangerous for dialysis patients to drink. Healthy kidneys can process additional phosphorus, but once you have kidney failure, it can't get rid of it, causing phosphorus to build up in the blood, which will cause hyperphosphatemia. Then again, many foods have phosphorus in it and your body actually needs it, but not as much as a processed diet will give you.
This is useful information for people with bad kidneys. My kidneys are fine.
I think it's useful information for anyone. Everyone is healthy until they are not.
Avoiding peanuts isn't just good advice for people with a peanut allergy, because everyone is healthy until they're not.
Don't compare apples to oranges. If you paid attention to my original post, I'm not bashing phosphorus, just that there's too much of it in processed food, leading to possible future kidney issues.
Phosphorus doesn't cause kidney diseases, but people with kidney disease need to pay attention to their phosphorus intake.
Peanuts don't cause peanut allergies, but people with an allergy need to pay attention to their intake.
Too much phosphorous can be toxic, not just to people with kidney disease.
So can too much water.
I never said it didn't, but you need water to live. You don't need soda.
You need phosphorus to live too.
Yep. I stated that in my original post. Thanks for playing.
I'd like to keep playing "What even is the point you're trying to make".
Because milk has 6 times more phosphorus in it than coke. In fact, milk and cheese have more phosphorus in it than most of the processed foods listed here.
https://www.kidney.org/atoz/content/phosphorus
Also, the RDI for phosphorus is 1000 mg, equivalent to 218 oz of coke.
https://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/scales/dailyvalues.htm
So...
Go back and read my original post. Thanks.
Yeah, you said there's too much in processed foods.
There ain't, which I just showed. The only thing in the list of high phosphorus foods on the kidney.org site that had more phosphorus than a glass of milk or a bit of cheese was a whole fast food sausage and egg breakfast.
You'd need 200 oz of coke just to reach the RDI.
The ADI is 4000 for adults, so 800 oz of coke EVERY DAY would be a dangerous amount of phosphorus to a healthy person.
https://www.nrv.gov.au/nutrients/phosphorus
Quote from that website. "Phosphorus that has been added to a food in the form of an additive or preservative (inorganic phosphorus) is found in foods such as fast foods, ready to eat foods, canned and bottled beverages, enhanced meats, and most processed foods."
It's not about how much is added, it's the amount that's eaten in a typical American diet, which since a lot of people eat a lot of processed foods everyday, they get more phosphorus than they need.0 -
jenniferpiotrowski0 wrote: »Well that's Interesting.. is phosperous and phosperic acid the same thing? I mean I know the words look similar. Idk I feel like there's too much lack of information about what's actually in our food and what the words mean if we end up reading the food level. I feel like nobody can tell if something is truly good,ok or bad for you unless you get the obvious fruits and veggies from a farm or something
Phosphoric acid is made out of phosphorus.1 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »Despite misinformation, good choice to give up sodas. One fact about phosphoric acid in dark sodas that I always found interesting is that it's literally dangerous for dialysis patients to drink. Healthy kidneys can process additional phosphorus, but once you have kidney failure, it can't get rid of it, causing phosphorus to build up in the blood, which will cause hyperphosphatemia. Then again, many foods have phosphorus in it and your body actually needs it, but not as much as a processed diet will give you.
This is useful information for people with bad kidneys. My kidneys are fine.
I think it's useful information for anyone. Everyone is healthy until they are not.
Avoiding peanuts isn't just good advice for people with a peanut allergy, because everyone is healthy until they're not.
Don't compare apples to oranges. If you paid attention to my original post, I'm not bashing phosphorus, just that there's too much of it in processed food, leading to possible future kidney issues.
Phosphorus doesn't cause kidney diseases, but people with kidney disease need to pay attention to their phosphorus intake.
Peanuts don't cause peanut allergies, but people with an allergy need to pay attention to their intake.
Too much phosphorous can be toxic, not just to people with kidney disease.
So can too much water.
I never said it didn't, but you need water to live. You don't need soda.
You need phosphorus to live too.
Yep. I stated that in my original post. Thanks for playing.
I'd like to keep playing "What even is the point you're trying to make".
Because milk has 6 times more phosphorus in it than coke. In fact, milk and cheese have more phosphorus in it than most of the processed foods listed here.
https://www.kidney.org/atoz/content/phosphorus
Also, the RDI for phosphorus is 1000 mg, equivalent to 218 oz of coke.
https://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/scales/dailyvalues.htm
So...
Go back and read my original post. Thanks.
Yeah, you said there's too much in processed foods.
There ain't, which I just showed. The only thing in the list of high phosphorus foods on the kidney.org site that had more phosphorus than a glass of milk or a bit of cheese was a whole fast food sausage and egg breakfast.
You'd need 200 oz of coke just to reach the RDI.
The ADI is 4000 for adults, so 800 oz of coke EVERY DAY would be a dangerous amount of phosphorus to a healthy person.
https://www.nrv.gov.au/nutrients/phosphorus
Quote from that website. "Phosphorus that has been added to a food in the form of an additive or preservative (inorganic phosphorus) is found in foods such as fast foods, ready to eat foods, canned and bottled beverages, enhanced meats, and most processed foods."
It's not about how much is added, it's the amount that's eaten in a typical American diet, which since a lot of people eat a lot of processed foods everyday, they get more phosphorus than they need.
You'd need a VERY processed diet to get into dangerous amounts. And when a slice of regular ol' cheese or a glass of milk has more than a sixpack of coke ( you know, sodas, which this thread is about), I absolutely can not comprehend why you'd hark on the phosphorus so much, first talking about people with disease then backtracking and saying the high amounts (again 1/6 as much as milk) can lead to toxicity (as I pointed out you'd have to basically drink your body weight in coke to get toxicity in a healthy person).
https://www.kidney.org/atoz/content/phosphorus
If 7 out of 9 of the High Phosphorous foods you should replace with other stuff in the list are made out of milk, you can clearly see what is main source of phosphorous in most people's diets, and it's not coke. And that's for people WITH KIDNEY DISEASE.1 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »Despite misinformation, good choice to give up sodas. One fact about phosphoric acid in dark sodas that I always found interesting is that it's literally dangerous for dialysis patients to drink. Healthy kidneys can process additional phosphorus, but once you have kidney failure, it can't get rid of it, causing phosphorus to build up in the blood, which will cause hyperphosphatemia. Then again, many foods have phosphorus in it and your body actually needs it, but not as much as a processed diet will give you.
This is useful information for people with bad kidneys. My kidneys are fine.
I think it's useful information for anyone. Everyone is healthy until they are not.
Avoiding peanuts isn't just good advice for people with a peanut allergy, because everyone is healthy until they're not.
Don't compare apples to oranges. If you paid attention to my original post, I'm not bashing phosphorus, just that there's too much of it in processed food, leading to possible future kidney issues.
Phosphorus doesn't cause kidney diseases, but people with kidney disease need to pay attention to their phosphorus intake.
Peanuts don't cause peanut allergies, but people with an allergy need to pay attention to their intake.
Too much phosphorous can be toxic, not just to people with kidney disease.
So can too much water.
I never said it didn't, but you need water to live. You don't need soda.
You need phosphorus to live too.
Yep. I stated that in my original post. Thanks for playing.
I'd like to keep playing "What even is the point you're trying to make".
Because milk has 6 times more phosphorus in it than coke. In fact, milk and cheese have more phosphorus in it than most of the processed foods listed here.
https://www.kidney.org/atoz/content/phosphorus
Also, the RDI for phosphorus is 1000 mg, equivalent to 218 oz of coke.
https://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/scales/dailyvalues.htm
So...
Go back and read my original post. Thanks.
Yeah, you said there's too much in processed foods.
There ain't, which I just showed. The only thing in the list of high phosphorus foods on the kidney.org site that had more phosphorus than a glass of milk or a bit of cheese was a whole fast food sausage and egg breakfast.
You'd need 200 oz of coke just to reach the RDI.
The ADI is 4000 for adults, so 800 oz of coke EVERY DAY would be a dangerous amount of phosphorus to a healthy person.
https://www.nrv.gov.au/nutrients/phosphorus
Quote from that website. "Phosphorus that has been added to a food in the form of an additive or preservative (inorganic phosphorus) is found in foods such as fast foods, ready to eat foods, canned and bottled beverages, enhanced meats, and most processed foods."
It's not about how much is added, it's the amount that's eaten in a typical American diet, which since a lot of people eat a lot of processed foods everyday, they get more phosphorus than they need.
You'd need a VERY processed diet to get into dangerous amounts. And when a slice of regular ol' cheese or a glass of milk has more than a sixpack of coke ( you know, sodas, which this thread is about), I absolutely can not comprehend why you'd hark on the phosphorus so much, first talking about people with disease then backtracking and saying the high amounts (again 1/6 as much as milk) can lead to toxicity (as I pointed out you'd have to basically drink your body weight in coke to get toxicity in a healthy person).
Because I worked in dialysis for a year. How desperately our nutritionist begged them to eat right, but you could always tell when they've been bad on their diet because they would gain 40 pounds of fluid in 2 days. I've watched so many people in pain and choose to stop coming to dialysis and therefore die because of unhealthy choices they've made throughout their life.0 -
Health problems later in life can easily be prevented now, and a decreased consumption of processed foods will help the odds of you not dying a slow painful death. No guarantee, but what's the harm in trying? Health isn't always just about having six pack abs.2
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You seem to be assuming that the people you are talking to eat a poor diet. I'm not sure why.2
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lemurcat12 wrote: »You seem to be assuming that the people you are talking to eat a poor diet. I'm not sure why.
I assume nothing. I'm just stating frequently ignored facts. Why I'm being argued with is beyond me. I never said I didn't drink soda every now and than.0 -
Health problems later in life can easily be prevented now, and a decreased consumption of processed foods will help the odds of you not dying a slow painful death. No guarantee, but what's the harm in trying? Health isn't always just about having six pack abs.
Processed foods are not evil either. They don't make you sick any more than any other single food item will, see "drinking too much water can kill you". For your health, as has been shown time and time again, becoming a healthy body weight and bodyfat percentage is the best thing you can do, it will improve basically all health markers and severely cut down on your CVD and diabetes risk, which in turn cuts down your kidney disease risk.
We have so many people on here who don't demonize anything and incorporate any foods they like into a healthy overall diet, including processed foods and they don't just look good with six pack abs, they have the health to show for it too that comes with not being overweight and living an active lifestyle.3 -
stevencloser wrote: »Health problems later in life can easily be prevented now, and a decreased consumption of processed foods will help the odds of you not dying a slow painful death. No guarantee, but what's the harm in trying? Health isn't always just about having six pack abs.
Processed foods are not evil either. They don't make you sick any more than any other single food item will, see "drinking too much water can kill you". For your health, as has been shown time and time again, becoming a healthy body weight and bodyfat percentage is the best thing you can do, it will improve basically all health markers and severely cut down on your CVD and diabetes risk, which in turn cuts down your kidney disease risk.
We have so many people on here who don't demonize anything and incorporate any foods they like into a healthy overall diet, including processed foods and they don't just look good with six pack abs, they have the health to show for it too that comes with not being overweight and living an active lifestyle.
I'm not demonizing anything. Moderation is fine, but for the obesity rates to be what they are, obviously not everyone has an overall healthy diet. I'm not referring to the people here, who have chosen to do something about their health.1
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