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What boost can herbalife give you that real/normal food can't?
Save your money....learn about nutrition/eating at deficit/ moving more and you'll be slim for life not just for a brief period.3 -
madelinecamille wrote: »Like others have said, Herba Life won't teach you anything about maintaining a healthy relationship with food. I've tried "quick fix" fad diets in the past (hcg being my biggest mistake), and while I did lose weight, it was at an alarming and unhealthy rate. I couldn't sustain the diet for more than a month and gained all the weight right back.
I think it depends on the "coach" ie person selling the product. I've seen their more advanced plan, can't remember what it's called, but it basically looks like most cut meal plans I've ever seen if you plan on doing some resistance training and cardio. 5-6 meals a day, high protein, lower carbs and fat. They give oz and cup sizes for the portions etc. Not witchcraft.
They just flog their shakes and protein instead of buying some other protein shake. Not sure of the validity of their pills and enhancers as they call them. They seem more focused on the "fit" part now. I realize they are ways to attract customers for the product, but free group fit sessions are hard to beat.
OP, I would suggest lunch is the easiest to replace with a shake, but use the food tracker here and calculate your calories accurately. No matter if you use shakes for breaky and lunch, if you down 2000 calories every dinner or snack all night it won't do bupkis.0 -
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So if the OP asked how to stick to her suicide plan - we should help?Mr_Stabbems wrote: »lol she didnt ask about herbal life, she asked for advice in sticking to the plan....jesus guys, i know you're all desperate to impart your sage advice on the girl but not one of you answered the questions.
@Bob314159
OK calm down strawman.
OP didn't ask if you would critique her choices she asked when and what meals she should replace not if she should replace them.
World must be looking mighty fine from that there high horse.
I don't care for herbal life stuff, but with the modicum of helpfulness that I can muster up for a random Internet person I try to funnel it into a useful reply. Not hate on her choices and tell her what she should do with her life and how she should spend her money.
Get over yourselves.3 -
Mr_Stabbems wrote: »So if the OP asked how to stick to her suicide plan - we should help?Mr_Stabbems wrote: »lol she didnt ask about herbal life, she asked for advice in sticking to the plan....jesus guys, i know you're all desperate to impart your sage advice on the girl but not one of you answered the questions.
@Bob314159
OK calm down strawman.
OP didn't ask if you would critique her choices she asked when and what meals she should replace not if she should replace them.
World must be looking mighty fine from that there high horse.
I don't care for herbal life stuff, but with the modicum of helpfulness that I can muster up for a random Internet person I try to funnel it into a useful reply. Not hate on her choices and tell her what she should do with her life and how she should spend her money.
Get over yourselves.
@Mr_Stabbems okay so she buys her own Herbal Life but will she also pay for the liver transplant(s), anti rejection medication & worse of all whose going to unnecessarily die because she received (a) liver(s), that could've saved someone whom didn't make a reckless choice but won't simply because she made it onto the list, before someone whom didn't intentionally ruin their liver did?1 -
Lolol lol you're all fecking nuts. She as a few shakes and you think she's going to "need" a liver transplant.
You guys live in some magic cloud crazy land..2 -
Mr_Stabbems wrote: »Lolol lol you're all fecking nuts. She as a few shakes and you think she's going to "need" a liver transplant.
You guys live in some magic cloud crazy land..
@Mr_Stabbems acute liver failure, can happen; just from 1 incident.2 -
I'm am fully aware, I've read those links provided and the studies published. None of that is definitive, and although I do not specialise in liver disease, I do trust my education and training plus my last 5 years working with a wide variety of patients.
I'm not here to discuss the merits or laxk of herbal life products.
I'm only commenting to let you all know that you haven't come across as helpful and the only overwhelming sense I've had from this thread is "judgmental knowitalls"2 -
I would rather be warned liver disease is a possibility than have people not say anything.
Problem with message boards is the tone is usually decided by the reader and his/her bias. So much of communication is lost when all there are is words on the computer screen. Try giving people the benefit of the doubt.1 -
No study'll ever be definitive, unless enough people volunteer to undergo a medically controlled study but the link to such a deadly consequence, means that it's medically unethical/illegal; to even conduct such a study. Therefore if the medical community can't even test this, that should be evidence enough; that this outcome's highly plausible.2
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Mr_Stabbems wrote: »I'm am fully aware, I've read those links provided and the studies published. None of that is definitive, and although I do not specialise in liver disease, I do trust my education and training plus my last 5 years working with a wide variety of patients.
I'm not here to discuss the merits or laxk of herbal life products.
I'm only commenting to let you all know that you haven't come across as helpful and the only overwhelming sense I've had from this thread is "judgmental knowitalls"
May I politely point out that you calling everyone on the thread "nuts" and "You guys live in some magic cloud crazy land.." might come across as a pot and kettle moment to many people?
Anyway, not to derail the thread any longer ....
New people come here every day and might have fallen for a lot of these expensive, unhelpful and potentially dangerous products. People aren't always as gentle as they would typically be because there are so many threads about said products. I realize it is not the fault of the OP, but it's reality. People are being helpful when they warn folks away from this junk.2 -
FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »No study'll ever be definitive, unless enough people volunteer to undergo a medically controlled study but the link to such a deadly consequence, means that it's medically unethical/illegal; to even conduct such a study. Therefore if the medical community can't even test this, that should be evidence enough; that this outcome highly plausible.
Are you serious? Is that your logic here?
Have you ever had to do a lit review involving and medical practice? Is that how you think it works?
You just said and I paraphrase here, that the medical community can't definitively prove that such a link exists but because there are suspicions that cannot be tested due to the potential hazard that that is proof enought that it is hazardous.
That is not science. I'm ending this argument lol. I can't argue with that kind of logic...
Lolol jesus help me lol1 -
Mr_Stabbems wrote: »FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »No study'll ever be definitive, unless enough people volunteer to undergo a medically controlled study but the link to such a deadly consequence, means that it's medically unethical/illegal; to even conduct such a study. Therefore if the medical community can't even test this, that should be evidence enough; that this outcome highly plausible.
Are you serious? Is that your logic here?
Have you ever had to do a lit review involving and medical practice? Is that how you think it works?
You just said and I paraphrase here, that the medical community can't definitively prove that such a link exists but because there are suspicions that cannot be tested due to the potential hazard that that is proof enought that it is hazardous.
That is not science. I'm ending this argument lol. I can't argue with that kind of logic...
Lolol jesus help me lol
With some people it possibly could be definitive, if they have medical records of being healthy before; taking such a supplement but that isn't the case for all whom have acute liver failure. Since these statics include everyone, that had liver failure & the substance in their samples taken, regardless of proof of prior health; so no cause can't be definitely established but the link is because the samples of the person with the acute liver failure, in these studies; also contained the said substance.1 -
FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »Mr_Stabbems wrote: »FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »No study'll ever be definitive, unless enough people volunteer to undergo a medically controlled study but the link to such a deadly consequence, means that it's medically unethical/illegal; to even conduct such a study. Therefore if the medical community can't even test this, that should be evidence enough; that this outcome highly plausible.
Are you serious? Is that your logic here?
Have you ever had to do a lit review involving and medical practice? Is that how you think it works?
You just said and I paraphrase here, that the medical community can't definitively prove that such a link exists but because there are suspicions that cannot be tested due to the potential hazard that that is proof enought that it is hazardous.
That is not science. I'm ending this argument lol. I can't argue with that kind of logic...
Lolol jesus help me lol
With some people it possibly could be definitive, if they have medical records of being healthy before; taking such a supplement but that isn't the case for all whom have acute liver failure. Since these statics include everyone, that had liver failure & the substance in their samples taken, regardless of proof of prior health; so no cause can't be definitely established but the link is because the samples of the person with the acute liver failure, in these studies; also contained the said substance.
Have you read the studies and not just summaries or articles? Some of the studies focused on substances taken in excess like for example vitamin A etc etc which as we all know doesn't only come from herbal life products...
Also the contraction in your opening line are remarkable. "Some people it possibly could be definitive"
Honestly...what?
And lastly, contrary to the points made in some of the studies the link you suggest here indicates correlation not causation.
@missusmoon when you take quotes out of context it's easy to portray them however you want.
My saying it's nuts that people believe that if she takes herbal life products then she will be on a liver transplant list is different to me calling folks nuts for suggesting she doesn't take them.
I did the former not the latter0 -
Mr_Stabbems wrote: »FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »Mr_Stabbems wrote: »FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »No study'll ever be definitive, unless enough people volunteer to undergo a medically controlled study but the link to such a deadly consequence, means that it's medically unethical/illegal; to even conduct such a study. Therefore if the medical community can't even test this, that should be evidence enough; that this outcome highly plausible.
Are you serious? Is that your logic here?
Have you ever had to do a lit review involving and medical practice? Is that how you think it works?
You just said and I paraphrase here, that the medical community can't definitively prove that such a link exists but because there are suspicions that cannot be tested due to the potential hazard that that is proof enought that it is hazardous.
That is not science. I'm ending this argument lol. I can't argue with that kind of logic...
Lolol jesus help me lol
With some people it possibly could be definitive, if they have medical records of being healthy before; taking such a supplement but that isn't the case for all whom have acute liver failure. Since these statics include everyone, that had liver failure & the substance in their samples taken, regardless of proof of prior health; so no cause can't be definitely established but the link is because the samples of the person with the acute liver failure, in these studies; also contained the said substance.
Have you read the studies and not just summaries or articles? Some of the studies focused on substances taken in excess like for example vitamin A etc etc which as we all know doesn't only come from herbal life products...
Also the contraction in your opening line are remarkable. "Some people it possibly could be definitive"
Honestly...what?
And lastly, contrary to the points made in some of the studies the link you suggest here indicates correlation not causation.
What about your contradiction? I thought you said, you were ending this argument!
I made reference that with the exception of these studies, since it includes all with said substance in their samples regardless of proof of prior health; that separately from these studies those with prior medical records could be definitive proof of their cause but that'd also be determined upon what their previous medical records contain & how recent they are.
I also pointed out that "cause" couldn't be definitely determined, in these studies; which'd mean that the links're correlation.2 -
Lol I had to awesome vote that.
I point out a contradiction in your base argument and you point out my contradiction that I didn't want to argue any more?
OK so I don't understand most of what you said there but from what I gather from the last paragraph you are admitting that the studies show correlation and not causation?
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Mr_Stabbems wrote: »Lol I had to awesome vote that.
I point out a contradiction in your base argument and you point out my contradiction that I didn't want to argue any more?
OK so I don't understand most of what you said there but from what I gather from the last paragraph you are admitting that the studies show correlation and not causation?
Correct to both questions!0 -
FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »Mr_Stabbems wrote: »Lol I had to awesome vote that.
I point out a contradiction in your base argument and you point out my contradiction that I didn't want to argue any more?
OK so I don't understand most of what you said there but from what I gather from the last paragraph you are admitting that the studies show correlation and not causation?
Correct to both questions!
Fantastic.
So I'll ignore the contradictions because they are now a moot point.
My entire point here has been that after reading the studies linked that her taking a herbal life product does not mean she will need a liver transplant and that it's nuts to suggest otherwise. ( as the general tone of the thread was suggesting btw)
I am effectively stating that the studies linked don't not prove anything but correlation.
You also agree that it is linked by correlation only.
Another simplified example of correlation and not causation is: Most people that drown, do so in water. This doesn't not mean that being in water means you will drown.
Taking herbal life products DOES NOT MEAN YOU WILL DIE OR NEED A NEW LIVER despite studies linked and the general consensus here in this very thread.
I thank you all for watching. Good night1
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