Why am I gaining.

nicole123100

Hi guys sorry just managed to sit and read through all of this after a busy day yesterday.
I don't think I am inadvertently eating more. I weigh everything I eat. I log literally everything. To the precise measurement. Almost a little ocd with it but I am with anything.
Exercise wise I have a Fitbit flex. As stated I physically can't do anything that much due to issues with my implants and pain but I do walk a lot every day. I'm a full time mum and housewife during the day and a cleaner in the evenings so I'm moving from the moment I get up pretty much to the moment I go to bed. I'm doing at least 10k steps a day. Although it's normally more like 12-16k. 10k is just my bare minimum.
I don't know if my implants can make me hold onto weight. There's a lot of arguments for and against this online but nothing is medically proven I suppose I'll know when they are out what the case is.

I am ex anorexic. My last recovery was around 18 months ago. After a 12 year on of battle of recover and relapse. I don't know if my metabolism is buggered because of that.

I just don't really have anybody else to ask as if I even mention anything food related to people who know me they just assume I'm getting sick again. Which isn't the case but I can understand it.

debrag12

Ignore I'm always late to the conversation.

WillpowerBurton

Congratulations on 18 months of sanity!

I dated a girl who struggled (heavily at times) with anorexia/bulimia. The havoc it wreaked on her body and metabolism was severe. She almost died from organ failure and to this day has to work closely with her doctors to monitor her hormone levels and what not, because she threw everything out of whack in the obsessive (and impossible) quest for perfection. It's a very touchy thing for people with eating disorders to establish a healthy relationship with food/exercise, because everyone who knows them thinks they're relapsing or worrying about the possibility of relapse.
Take it slow, work with your team of professionals and prove to everyone who cares about you that yes you CAN pursue health/wellness without it leading back into your disease!

YOU CAN DO IT!!!

nicole123100

Thank you WB. It's so difficult because the want to establish at least a partially healthy relationship with food is there. But my want for my happy weight is there too. More so than anything else. I have a weight that if I can hover in it I am less triggered. It's just so difficult when trying to get down to it healthily isn't working because it tempts me to crash diet it off. But obviously I know deep down I shouldn't because then my chances of relapse are pretty strong. I thought
I was ready to gain beyond my happy weight and not care but I was dreadfully wrong. Now I'm so scared of relapse but I know that with this extra on me the chances are high. It's refreshing to hear words of encouragement I think until you e either loved it yourself or watched someone you love live it it's a difficult concept to grasp and for you to write to me I do really appreciate it ♥️

SueSueDio

willburton174 wrote: »

Ok. Thank you to all the people that have engaged me in this "Starvation Mode" debate. I was going on the material that I have read up to this point, and am thankful for all the articles/sources that have been shared
I had no idea it was such a hot topic!

Just wanted to say how refreshing it is to see a believer in starvation mode take new info on board and adjust their thinking. Most people continue to argue it or leave the thread in a huff. Good on ya, Will!

OP, I hope you find a way back to your "happy weight" along with a decent relationship with food - I wish you the best of luck, and good health (both physical and mental)! Stick with it, lean on people here for support when you need it, and you can get there. *hugs*

SLLRunner

mypi wrote: »

Not to be judgmental but you eat to little. I highly recommend you calculate you TDEE, from there you deduct 20%. Just be honest when you do. You'd be surprised how much more you can eat and lost. I eat anywhere between 1.9k cals to 2.6k a day. Usually keeping above 2k threshold.

Do you exercise? How does your lifestyle looks like? What do you do for living? Is it highly active job, standing all day? A sitting job? Physical job? How many times a week you work and exercise? All kind of factors are dependent when you're trying yo figure our how much to eat.

100% wrong. Weight loss comes down to eating less calories than you burn, anything outside of that is preference.

I ate 1200 and stopped losing, upped my calories to what it is now and am losing.

This is not how weight loss works. Chances are, what you describe is natural fluctuations.

SLLRunner

NM

SLLRunner

Too late in conversation.

SLLRunner

nicole123100 wrote: »

Hi guys sorry just managed to sit and read through all of this after a busy day yesterday.
I don't think I am inadvertently eating more. I weigh everything I eat. I log literally everything. To the precise measurement. Almost a little ocd with it but I am with anything.
Exercise wise I have a Fitbit flex. As stated I physically can't do anything that much due to issues with my implants and pain but I do walk a lot every day. I'm a full time mum and housewife during the day and a cleaner in the evenings so I'm moving from the moment I get up pretty much to the moment I go to bed. I'm doing at least 10k steps a day. Although it's normally more like 12-16k. 10k is just my bare minimum.
I don't know if my implants can make me hold onto weight. There's a lot of arguments for and against this online but nothing is medically proven I suppose I'll know when they are out what the case is.

I am ex anorexic. My last recovery was around 18 months ago. After a 12 year on of battle of recover and relapse. I don't know if my metabolism is buggered because of that.

I just don't really have anybody else to ask as if I even mention anything food related to people who know me they just assume I'm getting sick again. Which isn't the case but I can understand it.

You do medical professionals you can take your situation to.. Since you are a recovering anorexic, and because you have implants you are worried about, you need to go to the doctor.

Also, isolation is part of an eating disorder, especially feeling different and along (I have an eating disordered past as well). It seems to me you may not yet be fully recovered.

Wicked_Seraph

willburton174 wrote: »

Ok. Thank you to all the people that have engaged me in this "Starvation Mode" debate. I was going on the material that I have read up to this point, and am thankful for all the articles/sources that have been shared
I had no idea it was such a hot topic!

After reading them all, it seems that weight-gain while dieting can be due to a lot of different potential causes, that everyone's physiological responses are different based on a lot of different factors and that "it all depends". While the starvation response is real, it seems it only occurs in extended periods of VLCD. From what I can gather, most of the time people just aren't being honest/accurate with their caloric consumption, and are eating more than they think lol

From http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/starvation-mode/ :
"The starvation response will basically make weight loss harder and possibly slower at some point, and some adjustments may need to be made to compensate. But actually stop weight loss from happening or reverse it? Nope. That just doesn’t happen."


Shout outs to @queenliz99 , @yycsean and @diannethegeek and especially @SezxyStef for taking the time to expand my knowledge!

Late to the party but it's so refreshing to see someone take the time to read information given to them and consider opposing view points. This honestly made my day

AliceDark

nicole123100 wrote: »

I don't know if my implants can make me hold onto weight. There's a lot of arguments for and against this online but nothing is medically proven I suppose I'll know when they are out what the case is.

Implants will not make you gain weight (other than, you know, the weight of the actual implant), hold onto weight, or anything else like that. They don't interfere with weight loss. I think the previous poster was asking whether there was any kind of infection or inflammation going on, because those things do cause temporary water retention weight gain. If you're taking any NSAID painkillers (Advil, Motrin, etc.), those can also cause water retention.

cerise_noir

Both of these.

I, too, have been through EDs and I can definitely say that eating less does not cause the body to hold onto fat.....ever.

Starvation causes death/ First one loses fat, then muscle, then internal organs.

queenliz99 wrote: »

@willburton174

http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1077746/starvation-mode-adaptive-thermogenesis-and-weight-loss/p1

http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/761810/the-starvation-mode-myth-again/p1

SezxyStef wrote: »

really you use magazine and blogs for sources....try these

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3673773/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23404923
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20935667

and if you don't like peer reviewed studies

http://www.nowloss.com/starvation-mode-myth.htm
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/muscle-loss-while-dieting-to-single-digit-body-fat-levels-qa.html/

and what @queenliz99 posted...

PS I know why people die of starvation...that's why saying a body holds onto fat if you eat too little is stupid.

Psychgrrl

@nicole123100 I'm really proud of the steps you've taken to get where you are, and I admit I'm really concerned. Being only 18 months out and counting calories and being at the minimum of 1200/day (not knowing what your stats are) and being concerned about your weight, I worry you're heading right down the path back to a pattern of unhealthy behavior. Have you spoken to your treatment team about this, or the folks with whom you worked before? If not, ask yourself why? If there's any glimmer of "I don't want to ask because I wont like the answer; aka they'll tell me to stop" then I really encourage you to return to seeking regular help if you're not.

You've done such amazing work to get where you are, gain control over your life and health and I'd hate to see you undo it all when it's likely you still have a distorted view of how you look and how you should look. In recovering from an illness as all-encompassing as an eating disorder, 18 months isn't a long time in the grand scheme of things.

Please take care of yourself!

sheermomentum

Forgive me if I'm going slightly off-topic, but if I understand correctly, you lost 2.5 pounds last week, and gained 2 pounds this week, for a net loss of .5 pound over the last 2 weeks. Congratulations on that! That would not be a bad loss for anyone, let alone a person who is already at a relatively low body weight. With only 11 pounds to lose (per your profile), you are doing totally fine! As an ex-anorexic, I know you probably are a little obsessive and a little bit of a perfectionist, so those are things to keep in mind, and in check. With that same thing in mind, I hope that you will remind yourself to set realistic and healthy goals for yourself, including both your goal weight, and your weekly loss. You haven't mentioned your stats right now, so I do hope that you are not pushing yourself beyond a good healthy weight. I have to say, in your picture you look totally light enough right now! Please don't push it! Your kid(s) are relying on you.

scoii

Hi Nicole, just checking if your current height and weightis reasonable to target a loss, I skim read the post so apologies if you stated them already. Obviously with your history you may need to check if your goals are reasonable to keep you from heading down a bad path.