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No fruit after dinner

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  • Packerjohn
    Packerjohn Posts: 4,855 Member
    CurlyCockney wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    chubby_checkers wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    lilaclovebird wrote: »
    RoxieDawn wrote: »
    Woo and hog wash!

    And forget fruit after dinner, I am going for pie!

    WITH ice cream!

    Or maybe just keep the pie and ice cream for a special occasion 3-4 times a year and eat the more nutritionally dense, lower calorie fruit on a regular basis.

    Or maybe they can fit pie and ice cream in their daily calorie goals so they eat it when they feel like it.

    Given that many people are trying to lose weight 500+ calories of non-nutrient dense food on a regular basis really doesn't fit in very well

    Why would it have to be 500+ calories worth?

    Given a standard serving of vanilla ice cream is around 140 calories with a typical serving of apple pie about 300, you're at 440 calories. Since many people eat more than the standard serving 500+ calories is realistic.
  • CurlyCockney
    CurlyCockney Posts: 1,394 Member
    I don't understand the standard serving thing, as that's not how I eat. Our packaging shows per 100g, so that makes it easier to calculate how much I can fit in my day. If I've reached my other nutritional goals and I'm still in a deficit, something that's not nutritionally-dense isn't going to do any harm to my weight loss.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    edited July 2016
    I impulse stopped at the ridiculous trendy fro-yo place near me (always going on about their gluten free/vegan options in a way that is just too on the nose for my particular neighborhood), and got 4 oz of a mango sorbet with berries. About 120 calories. In that I exercise, that wouldn't be hard to fit in even if I was trying to keep to a deficit (which I don't care enough about at the moment, since I'm a healthy weight).

    For that matter, a 210 or so calorie ice cream/gelato with some fruit wouldn't be tough to fit in either, especially if I was going to eat fruit anyway and just repurposed it.
  • RachelElser
    RachelElser Posts: 427 Member
    my mother's nutritionist told her to eat fruit with a protein because of all the sugar in fruit.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    RachelElser wrote: »
    my mother's nutritionist told her to eat fruit with a protein because of all the sugar in fruit.

    Is she diabetic or IR? Was a reason given?
  • fanceegirl75
    fanceegirl75 Posts: 620 Member
    Where do folks come up with this nonsense?!
  • WinoGelato
    WinoGelato Posts: 13,454 Member
    nutmegoreo wrote: »
    Wine is fruit, yes?

    Si! You are right! I always have fruit after dinner too then.
  • ValerieMartini2Olives
    ValerieMartini2Olives Posts: 3,024 Member
    For myself, I can only eat fruit on an empty stomach. If I eat a meal then eat fruit, I get horrible cramps and gas. Especially with apples. I eat my fruit in the morning before breakfast.
  • cerise_noir
    cerise_noir Posts: 5,468 Member
    nutmegoreo wrote: »
    Wine is fruit, yes?

    You win.
    <3
  • TriShamelessly
    TriShamelessly Posts: 905 Member
    Makes no difference. My "dessert" tonight was a plum, a nectarine and some cherries. Timing of meals or specific food items for most people has very little impact on weight loss IMHO.
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    misscroft007 wrote: »
    I have heard that too from the food combining folks. Protein and fats digest well together, carbs can only go with no fat, and fruit should be eaten alone or three hours after your last meal. The theory is that the body is designed to efficiently break down those categories or combinations and what it cannot will be stored as fat. Do I believe it? Somewhat.

    Hmmm. Probability that evolution 'designed' our bodies so that we need to follow arcane, convoluted rules in order to access the nutrition in food, so that we can thrive and breed? Near zero, I'm guessing. Yeah, it's a total guess. But at least I admit it.

    ;)

    Bears repeating.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    I had a bunch of cherries with dinner last night. Good thing I didn't wait 10 minutes and eat them with my sorbet!
  • 35dollars
    35dollars Posts: 832 Member
    misscroft007 wrote: »
    I have heard that too from the food combining folks. Protein and fats digest well together, carbs can only go with no fat, and fruit should be eaten alone or three hours after your last meal. The theory is that the body is designed to efficiently break down those categories or combinations and what it cannot will be stored as fat. Do I believe it? Somewhat.

    Have a read of this, which is a pretty cogent explanation for why rules of food combination are nonsense.
  • grannynot
    grannynot Posts: 146 Member
    misscroft007 wrote: »
    I have heard that too from the food combining folks. Protein and fats digest well together, carbs can only go with no fat, and fruit should be eaten alone or three hours after your last meal. The theory is that the body is designed to efficiently break down those categories or combinations and what it cannot will be stored as fat. Do I believe it? Somewhat.

    Wow.

    Trust me, by the time the food you eat has reached the end of its 23-foor journey through the digestive system, it truly doesn't matter what you eat, or in what order. It all comes out well-mixed ;-)

    And actually, by that somewhat weird description, you should be eating your fats (twice the calories of proteins and carbs) with ample carbs/fruit, so your body DOESN'T utilize all of it (assuming you wish to lose weight). If only that worked......LOL!!!
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    Where do people keep hearing dumb *kitten* like this...and how can anyone actually take it seriously...I mean there must be people who do if dumb *kitten* like this keeps getting thrown around out there. I swear, the population at large is getting more and more stupid by the day.

    I eat fruit almost every night after dinner...it's my desert.
  • grannynot
    grannynot Posts: 146 Member


    Hmmm. Probability that evolution 'designed' our bodies so that we need to follow arcane, convoluted rules in order to access the nutrition in food, so that we can thrive and breed? Near zero, I'm guessing. Yeah, it's a total guess. But at least I admit it.

    ;)[/quote]

    Evolution designed our omnivorous bodies to derive nutrition from pretty much ANYTHING we eat (and in any order). Unfortunately for those of us with extra weight, we're actually a bit too efficient.....LOL!!

  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    grannynot wrote: »

    Hmmm. Probability that evolution 'designed' our bodies so that we need to follow arcane, convoluted rules in order to access the nutrition in food, so that we can thrive and breed? Near zero, I'm guessing. Yeah, it's a total guess. But at least I admit it.

    ;)

    Evolution designed our omnivorous bodies to derive nutrition from pretty much ANYTHING we eat (and in any order). Unfortunately for those of us with extra weight, we're actually a bit too efficient.....LOL!!

    [/quote]

    The efficiency at which we extract calories from food is pretty equal between people. How much you eat and how much you burn differs far more.
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    stevencloser wrote: »
    The efficiency at which we extract calories from food is pretty equal between people. How much you eat and how much you burn differs far more.

    It sounded like it was more meant as a general statement. Something along the lines of "if our bodies weren't so efficient, it wouldn't be so easy to get fat in the first place", is how I took it. Really, such a statement just goes to show exactly how easy we have it today, compared to what our species evolved to deal with. We're so screwed if our bodies end up evolving to the current norms, and then we hit a real technological apocalypse style situation one day. ;)
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    nutmegoreo wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    Where do people keep hearing dumb *kitten* like this...and how can anyone actually take it seriously...I mean there must be people who do if dumb *kitten* like this keeps getting thrown around out there. I swear, the population at large is getting more and more stupid by the day.

    I eat fruit almost every night after dinner...it's my desert.

    I was wondering something similar yesterday. So many threads asking: What should I eat? When should I eat? What about calories, macros, sugar? Before exercise, after? How much? What foods? Can I eat a banana or will it turn immediately into fat? Fats make you fat. Sugar makes you fat.

    I was wondering when we forgot how to feed ourselves. It's insane.

    I find these puzzling too. I really can't imagine people are so helpless, so I suspect that it's more about wanting an excuse to start a thread or a conversation or something, or attention seeking? Dunno.
  • kommodevaran
    kommodevaran Posts: 17,890 Member
    Inspired by this thread, I decided to have grapes for dessert today. I don't usually have fruit for dessert or dessert after an ordinary dinner, but it was great. Thanks for the tip :)
  • grannynot
    grannynot Posts: 146 Member
    Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
    stevencloser wrote: »
    The efficiency at which we extract calories from food is pretty equal between people. How much you eat and how much you burn differs far more.

    It sounded like it was more meant as a general statement. Something along the lines of "if our bodies weren't so efficient, it wouldn't be so easy to get fat in the first place", is how I took it. Really, such a statement just goes to show exactly how easy we have it today, compared to what our species evolved to deal with. We're so screwed if our bodies end up evolving to the current norms, and then we hit a real technological apocalypse style situation one day. ;)

    Thank you, yes, that's what I meant :-) If we all had to go back to feeding ourselves (as in growing, hunting, and processing the food that we needed to eat) - I kind of doubt obesity would be a problem.

  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    edited July 2016
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    nutmegoreo wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    Where do people keep hearing dumb *kitten* like this...and how can anyone actually take it seriously...I mean there must be people who do if dumb *kitten* like this keeps getting thrown around out there. I swear, the population at large is getting more and more stupid by the day.

    I eat fruit almost every night after dinner...it's my desert.

    I was wondering something similar yesterday. So many threads asking: What should I eat? When should I eat? What about calories, macros, sugar? Before exercise, after? How much? What foods? Can I eat a banana or will it turn immediately into fat? Fats make you fat. Sugar makes you fat.

    I was wondering when we forgot how to feed ourselves. It's insane.

    I find these puzzling too. I really can't imagine people are so helpless, so I suspect that it's more about wanting an excuse to start a thread or a conversation or something, or attention seeking? Dunno.

    Not actually helpless, but feeling helpless . . . conditioned to feel helpless (IMO).

    Honestly, I don't think you can blame society for this. If someone decides they need help figuring out how to cook or how to feed themselves or how to choose what to order from Starbucks or how to be hydrated (seriously, these have been topics), that's on them, IMO. It's not how most people I know operate at all. It's wanting to be needy and helpless, so that others will take care of your responsibilities for you, I think.
    We live - in the 1st world, at least - in a culture that's increasingly specialized, increasingly complex, increasingly professionalized. We think we need tax people to do our taxes, plumbers to fix our plumbing, mechanics to maintain our cars, fashion consultants to tell us how to dress, Pantone to forecast the colors we should wear or paint our living rooms next Spring, corporations or restaurant chefs to make our food, . . . I could go on & on.

    But we don't NEED any of these things. I have pretty complicated taxes, but do them myself. I hire a plumber (and a cleaner) because I delegate jobs I don't like, but I've been known to buy a book on home repair or use a youtube to figure out some appliance-related problem. I certainly don't think most people need to be told how to dress, etc. or think they need a chef (want sometimes, sure).
    Even here on MFP, I can't count how many time I've seen something like "oh, no, don't go to a nutritionist, you need a registered dietician - at least they have a real degree!" If you need someone with a real degree, how could you possibly hope to make such decisions yourself?

    Mmm, I think you misunderstand. Lots of nutritionists are quacks. I always find it odd when someone claims to need a doctor or "medical team" or dietitian to figure out how to eat or lose weight -- absent a medical problem, of course. I'd never want to go to someone else for that, as I figure it's my responsibility to figure it out. But with a medical problem all changes. I recommend RDs quite often, to people with medical problems or eating issues. And, yeah, if it's a medical thing, get someone reputable and educated.
    That's back-stopped with media outlets eager for a hot headline, and marketers eager for the latest hook to pull us in, both spreading things that are "majoring in the minors" at best, and outright nonsense way too often. So, drink green tea, eat whey protein not soy protein/eat soy protein not whey protein, eat breakfast/don't, give up carbs/don't, high fat/low fat/no fat, a zillion supplements . . . .

    Again, I think the root of belief in this stuff is the want to -- they want to believe there's a quick fix, that they don't have to just do something boring like eat less (or better -- magic superfood diet vs. boring old balanced diet with vegetables for health) and move more.

    It's upsetting, and reflects a problem in society today. (And probably always, but I'm feeling down about the world.)

    I really think most of these people would benefit most from being told that if they really want it they can figure it out. Self-reliance and educating yourself rather than relying on others to tell you what to do isn't everything, but it shouldn't be nothing.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,596 Member
    @lemurcat12: Fundamentally, I think you believe the average person has (or should have?) more self-confidence than I believe the average person has. I'm not convinced they want to be helpless, but think a sad number of people don't know how not to be.

    I don't think most people "need" to be told how to dress (to pick out just one item) . . . but many acquiesce to being told how to dress, and criticize those who don't play along.

    I understand that lots of nutritionist are quacks. (I would pick an RD if I needed higher-level expertise, for sure.)

    And I, too, do my own taxes, sometimes fix my own plumbing, etc., and have no qualms about out-sourcing things I could do, but don't feel like doing.
    lemurcat12 wrote: »

    (Much snippage of intelligent commentary, for length)

    Again, I think the root of belief in this stuff is the want to -- they want to believe there's a quick fix, that they don't have to just do something boring like eat less (or better -- magic superfood diet vs. boring old balanced diet with vegetables for health) and move more.

    It's upsetting, and reflects a problem in society today. (And probably always, but I'm feeling down about the world.)

    I really think most of these people would benefit most from being told that if they really want it they can figure it out. Self-reliance and educating yourself rather than relying on others to tell you what to do isn't everything, but it shouldn't be nothing.

    I don't disagree with the above-quoted part, especially the "it's . . . a problem in society today".

    In my perception, the main difference between our views is that that I don't think telling people they can figure it out is sufficient, against a tide of social forces saying or implying otherwise. But we are not helpless victims . . . unless we act like helpless victims. It's a choice.
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