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Is cow's milk usage a universal unrealized health issue as in this n=4 case?
GaleHawkins
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dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3697658/Mother-suffered-migraines-25-years-gets-life-ditching-two-ingredients.html
"After undertaking the programme with her family, Andrea discovered she has intolerances to cow’s milk and corn, which had contributed to her weekly migraine attacks.
Her husband, Andrew, found he is intolerant to wheat, milk and Brazil nuts while both children, 18-year-old Mckenna and 16-year-old Carter, returned results indicating cow’s milk intolerance.
Mckenna was also surprised to learn she has an intolerance to prunes......."
STATEMENT FROM DR GILL HART, YORKTEST'S SCIENTIFIC DIRECTOR
'YorkTest has supported a number of research studies looking at the impact of elimination diets on migraines which have helped to shape the way we conduct our food intolerance services.
'This includes findings from Migraine Action, showing that over two thirds of sufferers believe that eating certain foods can cause a migraine, and those following tailored diets which eliminate trigger foods can improve their symptoms.
'The problem is that there is no "one size fits all" diet for everyone.
'This is why we are passionate about taking a bespoke approach to diet for all of our customers and their symptoms, through food personalisation.
'After first seeking medical advice, we encourage anyone experiencing negative reactions after eating and drinking to learn what’s personally holding them back from an improved quality of life, just like Andrea and her family did.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3697658/Mother-suffered-migraines-25-years-gets-life-ditching-two-ingredients.html#ixzz4FUKegPss
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"After undertaking the programme with her family, Andrea discovered she has intolerances to cow’s milk and corn, which had contributed to her weekly migraine attacks.
Her husband, Andrew, found he is intolerant to wheat, milk and Brazil nuts while both children, 18-year-old Mckenna and 16-year-old Carter, returned results indicating cow’s milk intolerance.
Mckenna was also surprised to learn she has an intolerance to prunes......."
STATEMENT FROM DR GILL HART, YORKTEST'S SCIENTIFIC DIRECTOR
'YorkTest has supported a number of research studies looking at the impact of elimination diets on migraines which have helped to shape the way we conduct our food intolerance services.
'This includes findings from Migraine Action, showing that over two thirds of sufferers believe that eating certain foods can cause a migraine, and those following tailored diets which eliminate trigger foods can improve their symptoms.
'The problem is that there is no "one size fits all" diet for everyone.
'This is why we are passionate about taking a bespoke approach to diet for all of our customers and their symptoms, through food personalisation.
'After first seeking medical advice, we encourage anyone experiencing negative reactions after eating and drinking to learn what’s personally holding them back from an improved quality of life, just like Andrea and her family did.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3697658/Mother-suffered-migraines-25-years-gets-life-ditching-two-ingredients.html#ixzz4FUKegPss
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The fact that citing the Daily Fail is laughable notwithstanding, your own article contradicts your use of the word "universal "
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A sample size of 4 is a scientifically horrific sample size which can not shed good light on findings.
And it has long been understood some people are intolerant to milk, just as some people are intolerant to gluten. That does not equate to it being bad for everyone.
The jury is still out on milk and there is conflicting evidence on either side of the debate.7 -
Not to mention the 4 are related. 2 intolerant parents, what does that do to the likelihood of intolerant kids?11
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What a surprise - a company selling home allergy tests claims that large numbers of people have undiagnosed allergies and intolerances which ... let me guess... can be detected by home allergy kits?
As a contrary view:
" Bogus allergy tests causing real harm, say experts
Misdiagnoses leading to unnecessary treatments and poor diets, sometimes causing malnutrition, says Sense About Science
Bogus allergy tests are convincing thousands of people to take unnecessary treatments and put themselves or their children on inadequate diets, sometimes resulting in malnutrition, a group of experts and charities has said.
Allergies and food intolerances were soaring but confusion between the two, as well as the many misdiagnoses, were causing real harm, said the information organisation Sense About Science, which has produced a guide in collaboration with allergy specialists and charities.
“It’s probably the biggest mess for science communication, where myths, misinterpreted studies and quackery collide with under- and over-diagnosis,” said Tracey Brown, director of Sense About Science. “The costs are huge – unnecessary actions for some and not enough action for those whose lives depend on it.”
Experts fear that restaurants and caterers are seeing so many people claiming they have allergies (which can be dangerous for the individual), when in fact they have a food intolerance (which is not), that they may not take all the precautions they should when serving a person who has a genuine allergy.
“It matters very much,” said Moira Austin of the Anaphylaxis Campaign. “If a caterer thinks somebody is just avoiding a food because they don’t want to get bloated, they may be less careful. There have been a number of fatalities where people have gone to a restaurant and alerted staff that they have an allergy to a particular food and the meal has been served up containing that allergen.”
The guide says most internet and shop-bought allergy tests have no scientific basis. They include the York test, a home-testing kit that looks for specific IgG antibodies against food stuffs in the blood. While these antibodies are part of the immune system’s response to infections, “the best medical evidence has shown elevated IgG levels do not suggest an allergy”, the guide says. “Results are frequently positive in individuals who do not have an allergy or a food intolerance.”..."
From https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jun/04/bogus-allergy-tests-causing-real-harm-say-experts17 -
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GaleHawkins wrote: »
Nope. What I find laughable is extrapolating a "universal unrealized health issue " from a family of four that happens to be lactose intolerant.15 -
Better add tomatoes to "universally unrealized health issue" because they are what trigger my migraines.6
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The sample size is too small to make any determination, much less a universal statement.1
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Is cow's milk usage a universal unrealized health issue'The problem is that there is no "one size fits all" diet for everyone.
How's that for a contradiction!
No it can't be "universal" as milk was never one of my migraine triggers.
Stress, poor sleep, certain frequencies of flashing light, dehydration, excess alcohol, poor neck posture - all of those have been triggers but none of them are universal.
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FunkyTobias wrote: »The fact that citing the Daily Fail is laughable notwithstanding, your own article contradicts your use of the word "universal "
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Edwina Curry and salmonella in eggs comes to mind.1
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I haven't read the article, because Daily Mail, but if the question is do many people have issues with dairy, the answer is yes. This is not news, or surprising.
If the question is does that mean it's a "universal" problem and we all should avoid dairy, that's IMO a ridiculous conclusion of the sort I'd expect from the Daily Mail.
Dairy is probably one of the first things to try eliminating if you think you might have food sensitivities (although if that's the case best to work with a doctor or RD). However, I personally feel great with dairy in my diet.3 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »I haven't read the article, because Daily Mail, but if the question is do many people have issues with dairy, the answer is yes. This is not news, or surprising.
If the question is does that mean it's a "universal" problem and we all should avoid dairy, that's IMO a ridiculous conclusion of the sort I'd expect from the Daily Mail.
Dairy is probably one of the first things to try eliminating if you think you might have food sensitivities (although if that's the case best to work with a doctor or RD). However, I personally feel great with dairy in my diet.
Funny thing is, the Daily Mail didn't even make that conclusion. OP did.5 -
Btw, my sister has negative reactions to melon, avocado, and raw cauliflower and broccoli. Perhaps everyone should avoid these foods. (FTR, I do not.)3
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Well, I'm allergic to celery and my friend loves liver but it's the surest way to trigger a migraine for her. We all need to avoid celery and liver.4
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The use of cows milk is a cause of health issues in many. Here in the UK the standard NHS test has failed to pick up casein intolerance in me. Cow milk is principally type 1 casein, goat is principally type 2. Changing to Goat Dairy products has helped me regain more of my health. Casein intolerance is far more common than lactose intolerance.
The milk produced by a cow is designed to raise a calf from its birth weight of something like 100 lb to 1500 lb. A kid goat is born at apx 7 to 8 lb like a human baby and grows to 100 to 200 lb similar to us humans. Goat milk is more like that of lactating human females, it is virtually homogenised the fat globules are so tiny in comparison to that found in the cows and it is less easy to separate. Because goat milk is more like ours it is more easily digested, we have the appropriate enzymes, better able to digest it and because the human system is not stressed to the point of possibly causing an autoimmune reaction it is better able to cope with what lactose the goat milk contains. Naturally I know there can be some people who will still have health issues. But if someone takes the time to inform themselves this may keep a good protein, cheese and other products available to them.
Many people in the international community will never have an issue with dairy of any origin but for those who do it can have devastating results on their lives. Just because you are one of those who will never have issues please be tolerant of those who are living with the consequences because they suffer adverse reactions. What is right for one is not necessarily the answer for anyone else but on a list the size of this one it could well be of some help.1 -
most of us don't have a problem being tolerant of the folks that are lactose/dairy intolerant - what we generally have a problem with is the op's use of the term 'universal problem' from a sample size of 4 people.10
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No. It's not.
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Dairy seems to create chest and head congestion in my case. Casein I expect is what I have an issue with since the lower GI track does not seem to be involved after I got off of sugar and grains for the most part.
This n=4 above is just the case of one family and is just based on their personal experience not any medical research project . It seems leaving milk out of the diet does not harm health generally but the use of it does harm the health of a good number of people in general.0 -
Have you tried cockroach milk, yet? I hear it's gonna be big.12
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FunkyTobias wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I haven't read the article, because Daily Mail, but if the question is do many people have issues with dairy, the answer is yes. This is not news, or surprising.
If the question is does that mean it's a "universal" problem and we all should avoid dairy, that's IMO a ridiculous conclusion of the sort I'd expect from the Daily Mail.
Dairy is probably one of the first things to try eliminating if you think you might have food sensitivities (although if that's the case best to work with a doctor or RD). However, I personally feel great with dairy in my diet.
Funny thing is, the Daily Mail didn't even make that conclusion. OP did.
Good lord......please the daily mail is a rag......f'in pointless garbage that laughingly calls itself a newspaper......3 -
Direct from the article "'The problem is that there is no "one size fits all" diet for everyone."
So milk might affect her. But it's a non-issue for most people.4 -
diannethegeek wrote: »Have you tried cockroach milk, yet? I hear it's gonna be big.
Thanks @diannethegeek .
https://washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/26/the-case-for-cockroach-milk-its-the-most-caloric-protein-on-earth-scientists-say/0 -
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You and 4 other people are lactose intolerant. That's dandy. It's not altogether uncommon in some populations. It's also hardly universal. Dairy is a good source of calcium and protein for many of us, and there is no controversy over that from reputable sources.4
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In other news, people who have nut allergies have bad reactions to nuts.9
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Huh. No comments about people not being baby cows yet?
I've recently reintroduced milk, because yum.
The article and conclusions being drawn from it (4 people are intolerant = bad for the masses) is asinine.4 -
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Dairy gives me acne. Drink milk, eat cheese = zits. Avoid dairy= no zits. I was plagued with acne until i figured this out at age 22. I still break out mildly even now if I have a lot of dairy-- 30+ years later. My son is the same way, unfortunately for him.
Obviously this is not the case for most people, but I do think if more people knew of this possible link, it could help some of them. Which is why I'm mentioning it.3
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