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Is cow's milk usage a universal unrealized health issue as in this n=4 case?
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nutmegoreo wrote: »Huh. No comments about people not being baby cows yet?
I've recently reintroduced milk, because yum.
The article and conclusions being drawn from it (4 people are intolerant = bad for the masses) is asinine.
Welcome to the daily mail "health" section4 -
minniemoo1972 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Huh. No comments about people not being baby cows yet?
I've recently reintroduced milk, because yum.
The article and conclusions being drawn from it (4 people are intolerant = bad for the masses) is asinine.
Welcome to the daily mail "health" section
I don't wander in here much. It's almost as bad as the cesspool that is chit chat and fun and games2 -
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It always baffles me when people experience negative symptoms for years, decades even, after eating or drinking certain foods but just keep on consuming them. Then they stop and feel better and assume that food is bad for everyone. Both of these actions seem equally illogical to me.4
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GaleHawkins wrote: »It seems leaving milk out of the diet does not harm health generally.
In other breaking news, I understand that Lincoln was assassinated.5 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »It seems leaving milk out of the diet does not harm health generally.
In other breaking news, I understand that Lincoln was assassinated.
"Besides that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
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OP I have to ask. When you typed the title of this thread, and used the phrases "universal unrecognized health issue" and "n = 4" in the same sentence, did you not see anything remotely disconnected with those two concepts?11
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GaleHawkins wrote: »'YorkTest has supported a number of research studies looking at the impact of elimination diets on migraines which have helped to shape the way we conduct our food intolerance services.
'This includes findings from Migraine Action, showing that over two thirds of sufferers believe that eating certain foods can cause a migraine, and those following tailored diets which eliminate trigger foods can improve their symptoms.
'The problem is that there is no "one size fits all" diet for everyone.
That's not the only problem.
If I believe eating the souls of my enemies gives me a headache, well, does it? No.
My mom used to get sick occasionally. Really awful kind of sick. She'd think it was one of the last few things she ate that did it to her - honest to god belief. So she'd cross her last several foods off a list of things that are ok to eat every time she got sick, until there was nothing left. She was brought to the ER starving and in ketosis, given a feeding tube through her shoulder (she was unconscious when it happened but I was there holding her hand and I can tell you it was brutal), and, well, I've said enough. Her belief that certain foods were harming her, whether it was accurate or not, was doing her great harm.
So, relying too much on peoples' stated beliefs without verifying them is part of the problem.
When I was young, I was taught to ask "who benefits?" when somebody tells me the world is so. Here we have a company that profits from testing people for food allergies, telling a not-very-reputable media outlet about how people are being harmed by undiagnosed food allergies. Do you see any possible conflict of interest here? It's interesting that the husband is gluten intolerant, such a small % of the population is and such a large % thinks they are. (Back to beliefs again.)11 -
No it can't be "universal" as milk was never one of my migraine triggers.
Stress, poor sleep, certain frequencies of flashing light, dehydration, excess alcohol, poor neck posture - all of those have been triggers but none of them are universal.
I wanted to touch on this, too, but my reply was getting too long already.
I'm pretty lucky, in that I almost never get headaches. My girlfriend suffers migraines, and my mom did, too. (She's still alive and pretty well, I keep talking about her in the past tense, but says her migraines basically stopped happening when she went through menopause.) Neither of them seem to have migraines that are triggered by any foods as far as anybody can tell. But they both have some of the same triggers sijomial mentioned:- Dehydration
- Bad neck angle overnight or poor neck posture during the day
- Too much alcohol usually combined with lack of water and poor sleep
- Very bright sun seems to play a role sometimes, but that might just be part of dehydration.
Beth used to get migraines pretty regularly. Like clockwork, almost. She's been on a lots of water regime for months and she's been getting them very rarely. She drinks milk occasionally and as far as we can tell there's no connection.
(I drink milk even though I don't enjoy it, because it's a rich source of protein and less offensive than bars.)0 -
My migraines seem to be related to hormones (during my period/ovulation), stress, perfume, bright lights and artificial sweeteners. None of that is universal to all migraine sufferers. I am not bothered by cow's milk in the slightest.2
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I'm allergic to strawberries, kiwi and latex. I'm told the allergies are related. I developed the allergy later in life, as did my mother, and my son is showing signs of a latex allergy now. I think strawberries and latex are a universal health crisis, and I have proof, apparently.3
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MissusMoon wrote: »I'm allergic to strawberries, kiwi and latex. I'm told the allergies are related. I developed the allergy later in life, as did my mother, and my son is showing signs of a latex allergy now. I think strawberries and latex are a universal health crisis, and I have proof, apparently.
I'm allergic to strawberries too! We are up to n=2!
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WinoGelato wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »I'm allergic to strawberries, kiwi and latex. I'm told the allergies are related. I developed the allergy later in life, as did my mother, and my son is showing signs of a latex allergy now. I think strawberries and latex are a universal health crisis, and I have proof, apparently.
I'm allergic to strawberries too! We are up to n=2!
If you can get up to n=4 then you can deem it universal!7 -
I'm allergic to Tide detergent......does that count?3
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WinoGelato wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »I'm allergic to strawberries, kiwi and latex. I'm told the allergies are related. I developed the allergy later in life, as did my mother, and my son is showing signs of a latex allergy now. I think strawberries and latex are a universal health crisis, and I have proof, apparently.
I'm allergic to strawberries too! We are up to n=2!
If you count her mom and son, there's your n=44 -
stephanieluvspb wrote: »I'm allergic to Tide detergent......does that count?
This makes me so sad. All those evenings I sat in front of the TV watching romance movies with a spoon, chowing down on my box of Tide. Fortunately, yours is just an n=1, so I get to keep my Tide for now. The packets are awesome, you can use the wrappers for origami.9 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »stephanieluvspb wrote: »I'm allergic to Tide detergent......does that count?
This makes me so sad. All those evenings I sat in front of the TV watching romance movies with a spoon, chowing down on my box of Tide. Fortunately, yours is just an n=1, so I get to keep my Tide for now. The packets are awesome, you can use the wrappers for origami.
I like origami!!! I curse you allergy gods!!
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Vitamin therapy can make people that were allergic to stuff, not allergic.1
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Well I almost hate to reply since the thread seems fairly hostile but ...
To the OP, there is wide spread lactose intolerance. I myself love milk but if I drink more than a glass a day I get a stuffy running nose.
I have also read that many people who have issues and intolerances frequently have leaky gut or bad bacteria in the digestive tract. Raw milk actually contains the bacteria to digest lactose and therefore many people with this problem don't have it with raw milk for cow or goat ( which goat is often times sold raw). There of course is the risk of some serious infections with raw milk which is why milk is pasteurized destroying the good bacteria, making some of the vitamin and minerals not as available.
So my point is we aren't baby cows but I believe the real issue is stomach bacteria.1 -
Has anyone here with milk issues switched to A2 milk?
I love milk, but my skin doesn't, so I'm swapping over to A2 hoping it might make a difference.1 -
Well I almost hate to reply since the thread seems fairly hostile but ...
To the OP, there is wide spread lactose intolerance. I myself love milk but if I drink more than a glass a day I get a stuffy running nose.
I have also read that many people who have issues and intolerances frequently have leaky gut or bad bacteria in the digestive tract. Raw milk actually contains the bacteria to digest lactose and therefore many people with this problem don't have it with raw milk for cow or goat ( which goat is often times sold raw). There of course is the risk of some serious infections with raw milk which is why milk is pasteurized destroying the good bacteria, making some of the vitamin and minerals not as available.
So my point is we aren't baby cows but I believe the real issue is stomach bacteria.
Nope.
http://www.annfammed.org/content/12/2/134.full
There is absolutely no sane reason to drink raw milk. Ever.1 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Has anyone here with milk issues switched to A2 milk?
I love milk, but my skin doesn't, so I'm swapping over to A2 hoping it might make a difference.
Never heard of it til I just looked it up, but I have no dairy issues anyway, so guess this isn't aimed at me. I don't know what A1 is supposed to do or if it would relate to skin issues.1 -
To the OP, there is wide spread lactose intolerance.
Yeah, many people have noted this. My problem is with OP's suggestion that that makes milk "a universal unrealized health issue." Lactose intolerance (or casein, which is what the Daily Mail piece is on about) is hardly "unrealized" and the idea that it's "universal" when we know it's not is basically insulting our intelligence.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »There is absolutely no sane reason to drink raw milk. Ever.
Really?? My grandfather had a dairy farm and I basically grew up on raw milk... we went to his farm 1 or 2 times a week just to get our milk supply fresh from the cow.1 -
I'm on my phone so I have trouble inserting hyperlinks and having the Internet open but if you are interested look up the Mayo clinic raw milk treatments.
I myself can add to the anecdotal evidence. But as I said I was talking to the OP.1 -
Lactose intolerance is not rare, and is even more common in some racial groups.
I don't think anyone is disputing this, so no need for anecdotal evidence from those who are lactose intolerant.
But this doesn't make it a universal thing.
Premise in OP is so obviously flawed.3 -
My husband is allergic to cats.
I don't think this is a rare allergy.
Therefore cats are a universal problem.
Oh dear, the number of universal problems we can come up with from our own anecdotal evidence is infinite.4 -
stevencloser wrote: »There is absolutely no sane reason to drink raw milk. Ever.
Really?? My grandfather had a dairy farm and I basically grew up on raw milk... we went to his farm 1 or 2 times a week just to get our milk supply fresh from the cow.
Yes, really. There's no benefit to it compared to pasteurized milk and in fact the chance of it being contaminated in some form is magnitudes higher.
If I were to make an exaggerated comparison, it's like drinking out of a random lake or stream because you think it's more natural than bottled or tap water or whatever.4 -
stevencloser wrote: »There is absolutely no sane reason to drink raw milk. Ever.
Really?? My grandfather had a dairy farm and I basically grew up on raw milk... we went to his farm 1 or 2 times a week just to get our milk supply fresh from the cow.
@ccrdragon keep in mind many have fear of the unknown. It was not that long ago when most of the world did not drink pasteurized milk or eat processed foods. As a kid I had to milk cows by hand twice a day and I am sure the milk was less than pure in some ways but it was not the chemical cocktail as it is today in most cases.0 -
@GaleHawkins it wasn't the same chemical cocktail as you'll find today, but to be sure it was still a chemical cocktail.
(Anyone who doesn't believe me needs to look up what a chemical is.)6
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