Has anyone tried those juice diet detoxes?
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Do you feel it was or is all a sham or did it generally do some justice? I heard that day 3 of the juice cleanse diet you start feeling weak, which for me would be unacceptable since I do a lot of heavy work and need my strength. Although I do want to do some sort of detox thing, any recommendations? Ty Ty
Just eat food.
Body detoxes itself when you poop and pee.
otherwise known as the deuce diet.0 -
I like to detox, but don't like to do it for more than one and a half days at the most, usually one day only. When I do, I will drink juice drinks for breakfast and lunch, plus eat grapes, then have a regular light dinner (like steamed fish and vegetables). Or I do the leek soup fast, eating leek soup broth and leeks all day, plus a light dinner. You need to drink a lot of water too.
What it is is light food that doesn't take much to digest and that are slightly diuretic (grapes and leeks), then the water to flush stuff through.
I personally would never do this for more than a short stint once in awhile as I don't eat that bad. But if I wanted to do it longer, it would only be under the care of a doctor.
But......what exactly are you detoxing?
Honestly, probably nothing. They just call it detox. Really I'm just giving my system a rest from heavy digestion and a lot of extra water to flush stuff through. I feel very energized after, although if I did it for longer, I think the energetic effects would be depleted.
I'm not trying to be mean here or anything but what exactly are you eating that you think your digestive system needs a rest from? If your body needs a rest from digesting food which is a basic function then something is very wrong with either your body or what you're eating...
Hey now, if I want to eat this way (and there is nothing wrong with drinking healthy juice drinks for breakfast and lunch and having a light dinner) whether you call it 'detox' or what you ate that day. But if I like to do that even once a month, it's really none of your business. And, it's none of your business what I'm eating! I'm answering an inquiry by the op, not you.
I'm really surprised by these boards and how rude and aggressive some people are. I'm really getting sick of it.
This thread is tame compared to the hundreds of others about detox. Nobody is being rude and aggressive, but simply trying to clarify that the body does a great job all by itself and is a darn good machine. Most of the time, it is the ones accusing others of being rude and aggressive that end up throwing the first punch. Your response was a prime example. :flowerforyou:
If my finding your response to me, which I did, rude and agressive, was me 'throwing the first punch', you are entitled to your opinion.
I personally don't feel comfortable with the way people respond here. Like you said, if this was 'tame', I'm done with posting. People are simply entitled to have different opinions. And I really didn't say anything to be attacked for or to ask me 'what are you eating' that needs help with digestion. Quite frankly, I'm not here to help you figure out that there can be ways to improve digestion, or that some things take longer to digest, or anything else.
I get that there is a difference of opinion on issues, but what irks me is the attitude of forcing an opinion on someone else. I would no more tell someone else they should detox than I would expect them to make fun of my light days of, yes I call it 'detox' when it makes me feel good and brings me energy.
I did find your response rude and agressive. There was no reason to make fun of my choices or ask me what I eat.
...oh yea, or tell me something is wrong with my body.
1. You were not attacked.
2. I never asked for help on how to improve digestion.
3. Nobody was giving you attitude.
4. Nobody was forcing an opinion on you.
5. Nobody was making fun of you.
6. Since you feel so strongly that people were being rude and aggressive, than yes, it may be a good idea to stay off public internet forums.
If you want to tell me you didn't mean to make me feel that way, that is one thing. It is quite another to tell me I cannot feel I was attacked, or made fun, or felt like you were being rude and aggressive. I did feel that way, and your invalidating it telling me I should not feel that way does not change it. And your number six is over the top.
Thanks for your opinions.
Okey dokey. Have a nice day. :flowerforyou:0 -
I did find your response rude and agressive. There was no reason to make fun of my choices or ask me what I eat.
...oh yea, or tell me something is wrong with my body.
as for OP, Don't worry, it is a valid question that a lot of people have about detoxing and cleansing. Once people get a little "education" on MFP they tend to jump on people who ask questions. It seems a little bit opposite of what it should be, but that is the way it usually is on these forums.
In reality a detox/cleanse won't usually do much harm to you if they are short term and full vitamins. On the other hand they won't do much to help you either, you will likely be very hungry and if weight loss is a goal it is fairly useless for that.
My advice is if you are feeling like you are bloated, full, or needing a detox for whatever reason drink a lot of water and eat light for a day; however, if you opt for a structured cleanse do it for a short amount of time.0 -
This thread is tame compared to the hundreds of others about detox. Nobody is being rude and aggressive, but simply trying to clarify that the body does a great job all by itself and is a darn good machine. Most of the time, it is the ones accusing others of being rude and aggressive that end up throwing the first punch. Your response was a prime example. :flowerforyou:
I quite enjoy how a lot of people confuse a difference of opinion with being rude or aggressive. Lol
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I like to detox, but don't like to do it for more than one and a half days at the most, usually one day only. When I do, I will drink juice drinks for breakfast and lunch, plus eat grapes, then have a regular light dinner (like steamed fish and vegetables). Or I do the leek soup fast, eating leek soup broth and leeks all day, plus a light dinner. You need to drink a lot of water too.
What it is is light food that doesn't take much to digest and that are slightly diuretic (grapes and leeks), then the water to flush stuff through.
I personally would never do this for more than a short stint once in awhile as I don't eat that bad. But if I wanted to do it longer, it would only be under the care of a doctor.
But......what exactly are you detoxing?
Honestly, probably nothing. They just call it detox. Really I'm just giving my system a rest from heavy digestion and a lot of extra water to flush stuff through. I feel very energized after, although if I did it for longer, I think the energetic effects would be depleted.
Dude...I was going to give you a high five despite that rest part for saying that you do it because you like it and that it actually cleanses nothing but...then I read on..0 -
Zackly.0 -
This thread is tame compared to the hundreds of others about detox. Nobody is being rude and aggressive, but simply trying to clarify that the body does a great job all by itself and is a darn good machine. Most of the time, it is the ones accusing others of being rude and aggressive that end up throwing the first punch. Your response was a prime example. :flowerforyou:
I quite enjoy how a lot of people confuse a difference of opinion with being rude or aggressive. Lol
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When someone's opinion includes the comment, 'then something is wrong with what you are eating, or something is wrong with your body', in my opinion it becomes more of a personal attack. It was a roundabout way of doing it, but it was a personal attack. It is basically saying, 'I have a different opinion than you, I am right and you are wrong, or, if you are right than something is very wrong with the way you eat and/or your body'. That is the way I see it. If you don't see it that way, that's fine. I personally think there are more productive ways of dealing with issues or differences of opinion that I would have been open to and been fine with.0 -
I detox after eating a lot of Mexican food. Hot sauce, burrito. That will clean you out. you can follow it up with a few juice boxes too. Not really sure about anything else, but my colon is cleaned.0
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I like to detox, but don't like to do it for more than one and a half days at the most, usually one day only. When I do, I will drink juice drinks for breakfast and lunch, plus eat grapes, then have a regular light dinner (like steamed fish and vegetables). Or I do the leek soup fast, eating leek soup broth and leeks all day, plus a light dinner. You need to drink a lot of water too.
What it is is light food that doesn't take much to digest and that are slightly diuretic (grapes and leeks), then the water to flush stuff through.
I personally would never do this for more than a short stint once in awhile as I don't eat that bad. But if I wanted to do it longer, it would only be under the care of a doctor.
But......what exactly are you detoxing?
Honestly, probably nothing. They just call it detox. Really I'm just giving my system a rest from heavy digestion and a lot of extra water to flush stuff through. I feel very energized after, although if I did it for longer, I think the energetic effects would be depleted.
I'm not trying to be mean here or anything but what exactly are you eating that you think your digestive system needs a rest from? If your body needs a rest from digesting food which is a basic function then something is very wrong with either your body or what you're eating...
Hey now, if I want to eat this way (and there is nothing wrong with drinking healthy juice drinks for breakfast and lunch and having a light dinner) whether you call it 'detox' or what you ate that day. But if I like to do that even once a month, it's really none of your business. And, it's none of your business what I'm eating! I'm answering an inquiry by the op, not you.
I'm really surprised by these boards and how rude and aggressive some people are. I'm really getting sick of it.
This thread is tame compared to the hundreds of others about detox. Nobody is being rude and aggressive, but simply trying to clarify that the body does a great job all by itself and is a darn good machine. Most of the time, it is the ones accusing others of being rude and aggressive that end up throwing the first punch. Your response was a prime example. :flowerforyou:
If my finding your response to me, which I did, rude and agressive, was me 'throwing the first punch', you are entitled to your opinion.
I personally don't feel comfortable with the way people respond here. Like you said, if this was 'tame', I'm done with posting. People are simply entitled to have different opinions. And I really didn't say anything to be attacked for or to ask me 'what are you eating' that needs help with digestion. Quite frankly, I'm not here to help you figure out that there can be ways to improve digestion, or that some things take longer to digest, or anything else.
I get that there is a difference of opinion on issues, but what irks me is the attitude of forcing an opinion on someone else. I would no more tell someone else they should detox than I would expect them to make fun of my light days of, yes I call it 'detox' when it makes me feel good and brings me energy.
I did find your response rude and agressive. There was no reason to make fun of my choices or ask me what I eat.
...oh yea, or tell me something is wrong with my body.
1. You were not attacked.
2. I never asked for help on how to improve digestion.
3. Nobody was giving you attitude.
4. Nobody was forcing an opinion on you.
5. Nobody was making fun of you.
6. Since you feel so strongly that people were being rude and aggressive, than yes, it may be a good idea to stay off public internet forums.
If you want to tell me you didn't mean to make me feel that way, that is one thing. It is quite another to tell me I cannot feel I was attacked, or made fun, or felt like you were being rude and aggressive. I did feel that way, and your invalidating it telling me I should not feel that way does not change it. And your number six is over the top.
Thanks for your opinions.
I have to say that if that one, non snarky simply question offended you then you are way, waaaaay too sensitive.
Seriously? Again we are back to this. Fwiw, irl people do not describe me as a 'highly sensitive' person. I'm actually pretty 'thick skinned' in general. But nor would I invalidate someone else for feeling a certain way or being taken aback by comments. Or tell them they are "waaaaay too sensitive".
Actually, I'm disappointed by the arguments and discussions and attacks I've seen in this forum because it IS supposed to be a support forum. Not a place to make fun of and attack others. Yet, I consistently have seen that happen to many people here, including myself in a small way in this thread. I agree it wasn't the worst attack I've seen. In fact, as that poster termed it, it was 'tame'. But it was meant to be attacking, and their back-peddaling from it doesn't change that. The only reason it probably didn't get worse by them is because I refuse to start going down that road.
Here, http://eqi.org/invalid.htm. I think a lot of people could spend more time around here learning about EQ rather than weight loss.
No, it was not an attack, it was a question.
No, nobody was making fun of others.
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Nomee, you are right, you didn't make the original comment. Of course, my original response was to the person who made it.
Can I ask you a question? Why do you think you should be able to tell someone else when they should or should not be offended by a comment, or how someone else should perceive something?0 -
You rang?0
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Do you feel it was or is all a sham or did it generally do some justice? I heard that day 3 of the juice cleanse diet you start feeling weak, which for me would be unacceptable since I do a lot of heavy work and need my strength. Although I do want to do some sort of detox thing, any recommendations? Ty Ty
Sham. If you want to detox, eat unprocessed and unrefined foods and drink lots of water.0 -
You rang?
I see what you did there0 -
Truth: juice doesn't detox the body. Should end there.
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I think this is a good thread to put this in. Also, it should be noted that most times this is learned from dysfunctional family backgrounds.
**Invalidation is to reject, ignore, mock, tease, judge, or diminish someone's feelings. It is an attempt to control how they feel and for how long they feel it.**
Constant invalidation may be one of the most significant reasons a person with high innate emotional intelligence suffers from unmet emotional needs later in life. A sensitive child who is repeatedly invalidated becomes confused and begins to distrust his own emotions. He fails to develop confidence in and healthy use of his emotional brain-- one of nature's most basic survival tools. To adapt to this unhealthy and dysfunctional environment, the working relationship between his thoughts and feelings becomes twisted. His emotional responses, emotional management, and emotional development will likely be seriously, and perhaps permanently, impaired. The emotional processes which worked for him as a child may begin to work against him as an adult. In fact, one definition of the so-called "borderline personality disorder" is "the normal response of a sensitive person to an invalidating environment".
Psychiatrist R.D. Laing said that when we invalidate people or deny their perceptions and personal experiences, we make mental invalids of them. He found that when one's feelings are denied a person can be made to feel crazy even they are perfectly mentally healthy.
Recent research by Thomas R. Lynch, Ph.D. of Duke University supports the idea that invalidation leads to mental health problems. He writes "...a history of emotion invalidation (i.e., a history of childhood psychological abuse and parental punishment, minimization, and distress in response to negative emotion) was significantly associated with emotion inhibition (i.e., ambivalence over emotional expression, thought suppression, and avoidant stress responses). Further, emotion inhibition significantly predicted psychological distress, including depression and anxiety symptoms.)
Invalidation goes beyond mere rejection by implying not only that our feelings are disapproved of, but that we are fundamentally abnormal. This implies that there is something wrong with us because we aren't like everyone else; we are strange; we are different; we are weird.
None of this feels good, and all of it damages us. The more different from the mass norm a person is, for example, more intelligent or more sensitive, the more he is likely to be invalidated. When we are invalidated by having our feelings repudiated, we are attacked at the deepest level possible, since our feelings are the innermost expression of our individual identities.
Psychological invalidation is one of the most lethal forms of emotional abuse. It kills confidence, creativity and individuality.
Telling a person she shouldn't feel the way she does feel is akin to telling water it shouldn't be wet, grass it shouldn't be green, or rocks they shouldn't be hard. Each person's feelings are real. Whether we like or understand someone's feelings, they are still real. Rejecting feelings is rejecting reality; it is to fight nature and may be called a crime against nature, "psychological murder", or "soul murder." Considering that trying to fight feelings, rather than accept them, is trying to fight all of nature, you can see why it is so frustrating, draining and futile.
A good guideline is: First accept the feelings, then address the behavior.
One the great leaders in education, Haim Ginott, said this: Primum non nocere- First do no harm. Do not deny your teenager's perception. Do not argue with his experience. Do not disown his feelings.
We regularly invalidate others because we ourselves were, and are often invalidated, so it has become habitual. Below are a few of the many ways we are invalidated:
We are told we shouldn't feel the way we feel
We are dictated not to feel the way we feel
We are told we are too sensitive, too "dramatic"
We are ignored
We are judged
We are led to believe there is something wrong with us for feeling how we feel
You Can't Heal an Emotional Wound with Logic
People with high IQ and low EQ tend to use logic to address emotional issues. They may say, "You are not being rational. There is no reason for you to feel the way you do. Let's look at the facts." Businesses, for example, and "professionals" are traditionally out of balance towards logic at the expense of emotions. This tends to alienate people and diminish their potential.
Actually, all emotions do have a basis in reality, and feelings are facts, fleeting though they may be. But trying to dress an emotional wound, with logic tends to either confuse, sadden or infuriate a person. Or it may eventually isolate them from their feelings, with a resulting loss of major part of their natural intelligence.
Remember:
You can't solve an emotional problem, or heal an emotional wound, with logic alone.
There are many forms of invalidation. Most of them are so insidious that we don't even know what is happening. We know that something doesn't feel good, but we sometimes can't put our finger on it. We have been conditioned to think that invalidation is "normal." Indeed, it is extremely common, but it is certainly not healthy.
I have heard parents and teachers call children: dramatic, crybabies, whiners, whingers, too sensitive, worry warts, drama queens. I have also heard them say things like: "He cries at the drop of a hat." One teacher said "When she starts to cry, I just ignore her and eventually she stops." Another said, "When one kid's crying is disrupting the lesson, I tell them to go cry in the hall till they can pull themselves back together again." All these labels and statements are invalidating and do emotional harm to children and sensitive teens and adults.
Our world will be a safer place when we learn to stop invalidating one another.
Source: http://eqi.org/invalid.htm0 -
Truth: juice doesn't detox the body. Should end there.
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This.0 -
Ah, a detox thread. I'll just leave this here.
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Nomee, you are right, you didn't make the original comment. Of course, my original response was to the person who made it.
Can I ask you a question? Why do you think you should be able to tell someone else when they should or should not be offended by a comment, or how someone else should perceive something?
I never told you what you should or should not be offended by on the forums or how you should perceive something. I was simply addressing your accusations of rude and aggressive responses to this thread, as well as your accusations of people making fun of you and attacking you. None of that happened in this thread. My suggestion to stay off of public internet forums was simply because after clarification you were still pretty set that people were being rude, aggressive, attacking etc. That is not telling you that you should or should not be offended, nor is it telling you how to perceive something, it is a suggestion.0 -
So you're just feeling invalidated? Sorry to hear that.I think this is a good thread to put this in. Also, it should be noted that most times this is learned from dysfunctional family backgrounds.
**Invalidation is to reject, ignore, mock, tease, judge, or diminish someone's feelings. It is an attempt to control how they feel and for how long they feel it.**
Constant invalidation may be one of the most significant reasons a person with high innate emotional intelligence suffers from unmet emotional needs later in life. A sensitive child who is repeatedly invalidated becomes confused and begins to distrust his own emotions. He fails to develop confidence in and healthy use of his emotional brain-- one of nature's most basic survival tools. To adapt to this unhealthy and dysfunctional environment, the working relationship between his thoughts and feelings becomes twisted. His emotional responses, emotional management, and emotional development will likely be seriously, and perhaps permanently, impaired. The emotional processes which worked for him as a child may begin to work against him as an adult. In fact, one definition of the so-called "borderline personality disorder" is "the normal response of a sensitive person to an invalidating environment".
Psychiatrist R.D. Laing said that when we invalidate people or deny their perceptions and personal experiences, we make mental invalids of them. He found that when one's feelings are denied a person can be made to feel crazy even they are perfectly mentally healthy.
Recent research by Thomas R. Lynch, Ph.D. of Duke University supports the idea that invalidation leads to mental health problems. He writes "...a history of emotion invalidation (i.e., a history of childhood psychological abuse and parental punishment, minimization, and distress in response to negative emotion) was significantly associated with emotion inhibition (i.e., ambivalence over emotional expression, thought suppression, and avoidant stress responses). Further, emotion inhibition significantly predicted psychological distress, including depression and anxiety symptoms.)
Invalidation goes beyond mere rejection by implying not only that our feelings are disapproved of, but that we are fundamentally abnormal. This implies that there is something wrong with us because we aren't like everyone else; we are strange; we are different; we are weird.
None of this feels good, and all of it damages us. The more different from the mass norm a person is, for example, more intelligent or more sensitive, the more he is likely to be invalidated. When we are invalidated by having our feelings repudiated, we are attacked at the deepest level possible, since our feelings are the innermost expression of our individual identities.
Psychological invalidation is one of the most lethal forms of emotional abuse. It kills confidence, creativity and individuality.
Telling a person she shouldn't feel the way she does feel is akin to telling water it shouldn't be wet, grass it shouldn't be green, or rocks they shouldn't be hard. Each person's feelings are real. Whether we like or understand someone's feelings, they are still real. Rejecting feelings is rejecting reality; it is to fight nature and may be called a crime against nature, "psychological murder", or "soul murder." Considering that trying to fight feelings, rather than accept them, is trying to fight all of nature, you can see why it is so frustrating, draining and futile.
A good guideline is: First accept the feelings, then address the behavior.
One the great leaders in education, Haim Ginott, said this: Primum non nocere- First do no harm. Do not deny your teenager's perception. Do not argue with his experience. Do not disown his feelings.
We regularly invalidate others because we ourselves were, and are often invalidated, so it has become habitual. Below are a few of the many ways we are invalidated:
We are told we shouldn't feel the way we feel
We are dictated not to feel the way we feel
We are told we are too sensitive, too "dramatic"
We are ignored
We are judged
We are led to believe there is something wrong with us for feeling how we feel
You Can't Heal an Emotional Wound with Logic
People with high IQ and low EQ tend to use logic to address emotional issues. They may say, "You are not being rational. There is no reason for you to feel the way you do. Let's look at the facts." Businesses, for example, and "professionals" are traditionally out of balance towards logic at the expense of emotions. This tends to alienate people and diminish their potential.
Actually, all emotions do have a basis in reality, and feelings are facts, fleeting though they may be. But trying to dress an emotional wound, with logic tends to either confuse, sadden or infuriate a person. Or it may eventually isolate them from their feelings, with a resulting loss of major part of their natural intelligence.
Remember:
You can't solve an emotional problem, or heal an emotional wound, with logic alone.
There are many forms of invalidation. Most of them are so insidious that we don't even know what is happening. We know that something doesn't feel good, but we sometimes can't put our finger on it. We have been conditioned to think that invalidation is "normal." Indeed, it is extremely common, but it is certainly not healthy.
I have heard parents and teachers call children: dramatic, crybabies, whiners, whingers, too sensitive, worry warts, drama queens. I have also heard them say things like: "He cries at the drop of a hat." One teacher said "When she starts to cry, I just ignore her and eventually she stops." Another said, "When one kid's crying is disrupting the lesson, I tell them to go cry in the hall till they can pull themselves back together again." All these labels and statements are invalidating and do emotional harm to children and sensitive teens and adults.
Our world will be a safer place when we learn to stop invalidating one another.
Source: http://eqi.org/invalid.htm
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You have skin, liver, kidneys, and other organs that detox if you just drink water. People should stop acting like cleanses do anything except make you **** and only make you "feel" cleaner.0
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This is just weird how the thread turned out. No one in any way attacks anyone but someone gets uber defensive at the slightest question. I think maybe that someone needs to step away from the internet for a bit. First of all, it's hard to read tone in text. Second, if you took that one question as an insult...then in truth, you are the one being overly defensive for whatever personal issues you have.0
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Nomee, you are right, you didn't make the original comment. Of course, my original response was to the person who made it.
Can I ask you a question? Why do you think you should be able to tell someone else when they should or should not be offended by a comment, or how someone else should perceive something?
I never told you what you should or should not be offended by on the forums or how you should perceive something. **I was simply addressing your accusations of rude and aggressive responses to this thread, as well as your accusations of people making fun of you and attacking you. None of that happened in this thread.** My suggestion to stay off of public internet forums was simply because after clarification you were still pretty set that people were being rude, aggressive, attacking etc. That is not telling you that you should or should not be offended, nor is it telling you how to perceive something, it is a suggestion.
Seriously?! You don't think that is telling someone else when they should or should not be offended or how they should perceive something? Really?
Just like you are accusing people of attacking you?0 -
Perhaps I'm beating a dead horse, but I really need to understand this.But......what exactly are you detoxing?
What was rude and aggressive about these seemingly ubiquitous six words?0 -
Ah, a detox thread. I'll just leave this here.
I.Need.This.
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Perhaps I'm beating a dead horse, but I really need to understand this.But......what exactly are you detoxing?
What was rude and aggressive about these seemingly ubiquitous six words?
If you are adressing me, I wrote exactly what I thought was offensive above, and it had nothing to do with those six words.0 -
Ah, a detox thread. I'll just leave this here.
See, now that is actually funny. Thank you for injecting some humor in this debacle.
Actually, a simple 'I didn't mean my comment as offensive' at any point goes a lot longer than, you're wrong, you're way too sensitive, stay off internet forums. Wow! Scary stuff here.
Thanks everyone.0 -
Perhaps I'm beating a dead horse, but I really need to understand this.But......what exactly are you detoxing?
What was rude and aggressive about these seemingly ubiquitous six words?
If you are adressing me, I wrote exactly what I thought was offensive above, and it had nothing to do with those six words.
So you weren't offended by the question?0 -
This is just weird how the thread turned out. No one in any way attacks anyone but someone gets uber defensive at the slightest question. I think maybe that someone needs to step away from the internet for a bit. First of all, it's hard to read tone in text. Second, if you took that one question as an insult...then in truth, you are the one being overly defensive for whatever personal issues you have.
QFT0 -
Perhaps I'm beating a dead horse, but I really need to understand this.But......what exactly are you detoxing?
What was rude and aggressive about these seemingly ubiquitous six words?
If you are adressing me, I wrote exactly what I thought was offensive above, and it had nothing to do with those six words.
So you weren't offended by the question?
No. It's a legitimate question given the thread.0
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