Has anyone tried those juice diet detoxes?

ninerbuff

I think this is a good thread to put this in. Also, it should be noted that most times this is learned from dysfunctional family backgrounds.

**Invalidation is to reject, ignore, mock, tease, judge, or diminish someone's feelings. It is an attempt to control how they feel and for how long they feel it.**

Constant invalidation may be one of the most significant reasons a person with high innate emotional intelligence suffers from unmet emotional needs later in life.  A sensitive child who is repeatedly invalidated becomes confused and begins to distrust his own emotions. He fails to develop confidence in and healthy use of his emotional brain-- one of nature's most basic survival tools. To adapt to this unhealthy and dysfunctional environment, the working relationship between his thoughts and feelings becomes twisted. His emotional responses, emotional management, and emotional development will likely be seriously, and perhaps permanently, impaired. The emotional processes which worked for him as a child may begin to work against him as an adult. In fact, one definition of the so-called "borderline personality disorder" is "the normal response of a sensitive person to an invalidating environment".

Psychiatrist R.D. Laing said that when we invalidate people or deny their perceptions and personal experiences, we make mental invalids of them. He found that when one's feelings are denied a person can be made to feel crazy even they are perfectly mentally healthy.

Recent research by Thomas R. Lynch, Ph.D. of Duke University supports the idea that invalidation leads to mental health problems. He writes "...a history of emotion invalidation (i.e., a history of childhood psychological abuse and parental punishment, minimization, and distress in response to negative emotion) was significantly associated with emotion inhibition (i.e., ambivalence over emotional expression, thought suppression, and avoidant stress responses). Further, emotion inhibition significantly predicted psychological distress, including depression and anxiety symptoms.)

Invalidation goes beyond mere rejection by implying not only that our feelings are disapproved of, but that we are fundamentally abnormal.  This implies that there is something wrong with us because we aren't like everyone else; we are strange; we are different; we are weird.

None of this feels good, and all of it damages us. The more different from the mass norm a person is, for example, more intelligent or more sensitive, the more he is likely to be invalidated. When we are invalidated by having our feelings repudiated, we are attacked at the deepest level possible, since our feelings are the innermost expression of our individual identities.

Psychological invalidation is one of the most lethal forms of emotional abuse. It kills confidence, creativity and individuality.

Telling a person she shouldn't feel the way she does feel is akin to telling water it shouldn't be wet, grass it shouldn't be green, or rocks they shouldn't be hard. Each person's feelings are real. Whether we like or understand someone's feelings, they are still real. Rejecting feelings is rejecting reality; it is to fight nature and may be called a crime against nature, "psychological murder", or "soul murder." Considering that trying to fight feelings, rather than accept them, is trying to fight all of nature, you can see why it is so frustrating, draining and futile.

A good guideline is:  First accept the feelings, then address the behavior.

One the great leaders in education, Haim Ginott, said this:  Primum non nocere- First do no harm. Do not deny your teenager's perception. Do not argue with his experience. Do not disown his feelings.

We regularly invalidate others because we ourselves were, and are often invalidated, so it has become habitual. Below are a few of the many ways we are invalidated:

We are told we shouldn't feel the way we feel
We are dictated not to feel the way we feel
We are told we are too sensitive, too "dramatic"
We are ignored
We are judged
We are led to believe there is something wrong with us for feeling how we feel

You Can't Heal an Emotional Wound with Logic

People with high IQ and low EQ tend to use logic to address emotional issues. They may say, "You are not being rational. There is no reason for you to feel the way you do. Let's look at the facts." Businesses, for example, and "professionals" are traditionally out of balance towards logic at the expense of emotions. This tends to alienate people and diminish their potential.

Actually, all emotions do have a basis in reality, and feelings are facts, fleeting though they may be.  But trying to dress an emotional wound, with logic tends to either confuse, sadden or infuriate a person. Or it may eventually isolate them from their feelings, with a resulting loss of major part of their natural intelligence.

Remember:

You can't solve an emotional problem, or heal an emotional wound, with logic alone.

There are many forms of invalidation. Most of them are so insidious that we don't even know what is happening. We know that something doesn't feel good, but we sometimes can't put our finger on it. We have been conditioned to think that invalidation is "normal." Indeed, it is extremely common, but it is certainly not healthy.

I have heard parents and teachers call children:  dramatic, crybabies, whiners, whingers, too sensitive, worry warts, drama queens.  I have also heard them say things like: "He cries at the drop of a hat." One teacher said "When she starts to cry, I just ignore her and eventually she stops." Another said, "When one kid's crying is disrupting the lesson, I tell them to go cry in the hall till they can pull themselves back together again."  All these labels and statements are invalidating and do emotional harm to children and sensitive teens and adults.

Our world will be a safer place when we learn to stop invalidating one another.

Source:  http://eqi.org/invalid.htm

So you're just feeling invalidated? Sorry to hear that.

A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

Yes, I can tell! Lol. Why don't you add psychologist to your list of credentials too. :-)

You think it will look better with it?

A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

UsedToBeHusky

Perhaps I'm beating a dead horse, but I really need to understand this.

But......what exactly are you detoxing?

What was rude and aggressive about these seemingly ubiquitous six words?

If you are adressing me, I wrote exactly what I thought was offensive above, and it had nothing to do with those six words.

So you weren't offended by the question?

No. It's a legitimate question given the thread.

Okay... I think I see what happened. It wasn't the person that posted the question, but another poster who responded to your answer to the question.

Does that sum it up?

Because the person who asked the question ended up being the person you demanded the apology from, and after that I was completely lost.

Mslmesq

I think this is a good thread to put this in. Also, it should be noted that most times this is learned from dysfunctional family backgrounds.

**Invalidation is to reject, ignore, mock, tease, judge, or diminish someone's feelings. It is an attempt to control how they feel and for how long they feel it.**

Constant invalidation may be one of the most significant reasons a person with high innate emotional intelligence suffers from unmet emotional needs later in life.  A sensitive child who is repeatedly invalidated becomes confused and begins to distrust his own emotions. He fails to develop confidence in and healthy use of his emotional brain-- one of nature's most basic survival tools. To adapt to this unhealthy and dysfunctional environment, the working relationship between his thoughts and feelings becomes twisted. His emotional responses, emotional management, and emotional development will likely be seriously, and perhaps permanently, impaired. The emotional processes which worked for him as a child may begin to work against him as an adult. In fact, one definition of the so-called "borderline personality disorder" is "the normal response of a sensitive person to an invalidating environment".

Psychiatrist R.D. Laing said that when we invalidate people or deny their perceptions and personal experiences, we make mental invalids of them. He found that when one's feelings are denied a person can be made to feel crazy even they are perfectly mentally healthy.

Recent research by Thomas R. Lynch, Ph.D. of Duke University supports the idea that invalidation leads to mental health problems. He writes "...a history of emotion invalidation (i.e., a history of childhood psychological abuse and parental punishment, minimization, and distress in response to negative emotion) was significantly associated with emotion inhibition (i.e., ambivalence over emotional expression, thought suppression, and avoidant stress responses). Further, emotion inhibition significantly predicted psychological distress, including depression and anxiety symptoms.)

Invalidation goes beyond mere rejection by implying not only that our feelings are disapproved of, but that we are fundamentally abnormal.  This implies that there is something wrong with us because we aren't like everyone else; we are strange; we are different; we are weird.

None of this feels good, and all of it damages us. The more different from the mass norm a person is, for example, more intelligent or more sensitive, the more he is likely to be invalidated. When we are invalidated by having our feelings repudiated, we are attacked at the deepest level possible, since our feelings are the innermost expression of our individual identities.

Psychological invalidation is one of the most lethal forms of emotional abuse. It kills confidence, creativity and individuality.

Telling a person she shouldn't feel the way she does feel is akin to telling water it shouldn't be wet, grass it shouldn't be green, or rocks they shouldn't be hard. Each person's feelings are real. Whether we like or understand someone's feelings, they are still real. Rejecting feelings is rejecting reality; it is to fight nature and may be called a crime against nature, "psychological murder", or "soul murder." Considering that trying to fight feelings, rather than accept them, is trying to fight all of nature, you can see why it is so frustrating, draining and futile.

A good guideline is:  First accept the feelings, then address the behavior.

One the great leaders in education, Haim Ginott, said this:  Primum non nocere- First do no harm. Do not deny your teenager's perception. Do not argue with his experience. Do not disown his feelings.

We regularly invalidate others because we ourselves were, and are often invalidated, so it has become habitual. Below are a few of the many ways we are invalidated:

We are told we shouldn't feel the way we feel
We are dictated not to feel the way we feel
We are told we are too sensitive, too "dramatic"
We are ignored
We are judged
We are led to believe there is something wrong with us for feeling how we feel

You Can't Heal an Emotional Wound with Logic

People with high IQ and low EQ tend to use logic to address emotional issues. They may say, "You are not being rational. There is no reason for you to feel the way you do. Let's look at the facts." Businesses, for example, and "professionals" are traditionally out of balance towards logic at the expense of emotions. This tends to alienate people and diminish their potential.

Actually, all emotions do have a basis in reality, and feelings are facts, fleeting though they may be.  But trying to dress an emotional wound, with logic tends to either confuse, sadden or infuriate a person. Or it may eventually isolate them from their feelings, with a resulting loss of major part of their natural intelligence.

Remember:

You can't solve an emotional problem, or heal an emotional wound, with logic alone.

There are many forms of invalidation. Most of them are so insidious that we don't even know what is happening. We know that something doesn't feel good, but we sometimes can't put our finger on it. We have been conditioned to think that invalidation is "normal." Indeed, it is extremely common, but it is certainly not healthy.

I have heard parents and teachers call children:  dramatic, crybabies, whiners, whingers, too sensitive, worry warts, drama queens.  I have also heard them say things like: "He cries at the drop of a hat." One teacher said "When she starts to cry, I just ignore her and eventually she stops." Another said, "When one kid's crying is disrupting the lesson, I tell them to go cry in the hall till they can pull themselves back together again."  All these labels and statements are invalidating and do emotional harm to children and sensitive teens and adults.

Our world will be a safer place when we learn to stop invalidating one another.

Source:  http://eqi.org/invalid.htm

So you're just feeling invalidated? Sorry to hear that.

A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

Yes, I can tell! Lol. Why don't you add psychologist to your list of credentials too. :-)

You think it will look better with it?

A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

Couldn't hurt. Why don't you add on "studied kinesiology, nutrition, and psychology". Of course you may want to actually read the article first. ;-)

Mslmesq

Perhaps I'm beating a dead horse, but I really need to understand this.

But......what exactly are you detoxing?

What was rude and aggressive about these seemingly ubiquitous six words?

If you are adressing me, I wrote exactly what I thought was offensive above, and it had nothing to do with those six words.

So you weren't offended by the question?

No. It's a legitimate question given the thread.

Okay... I think I see what happened. It wasn't the person that posted the question, but another poster who responded to your answer to the question.

Does that sum it up?

Because the person who asked the question ended up being the person you demanded the apology from, and after that I was completely lost.

I did mix up the person, of course they did reiterate what that person said...and then said a few more comments on top of it. But I wouldn't expect an apology. They don't feel they did anything wrong. And that's fine. But I do think they did something wrong. And I'm simply saying it's ok for me to have those thoughts too.

... Meaning to tell someone they did nothing wrong, and the other person is not entitled to think differently... is not ok in my opinion.

PikaKnight

So let's get back on topic and leave the personal butthurt out of the discussion.

OP - Detoxes/cleanses are a waste of money if you are doing them with the idea that they magically will have you losing weight or cleaning out your system from supposed toxins your body can't get rid of on its own and efficiently.

magerum

So let's get back on topic and leave the personal butthurt out of the discussion.

OP - Detoxes/cleanses are a waste of money if you are doing them with the idea that they magically will have you losing weight or cleaning out your system from supposed toxins your body can't get rid of on its own and efficiently.

QFT

MTE

KevDaniel

I think this is a good thread to put this in. Also, it should be noted that most times this is learned from dysfunctional family backgrounds.

**Invalidation is to reject, ignore, mock, tease, judge, or diminish someone's feelings. It is an attempt to control how they feel and for how long they feel it.**

Constant invalidation may be one of the most significant reasons a person with high innate emotional intelligence suffers from unmet emotional needs later in life.  A sensitive child who is repeatedly invalidated becomes confused and begins to distrust his own emotions. He fails to develop confidence in and healthy use of his emotional brain-- one of nature's most basic survival tools. To adapt to this unhealthy and dysfunctional environment, the working relationship between his thoughts and feelings becomes twisted. His emotional responses, emotional management, and emotional development will likely be seriously, and perhaps permanently, impaired. The emotional processes which worked for him as a child may begin to work against him as an adult. In fact, one definition of the so-called "borderline personality disorder" is "the normal response of a sensitive person to an invalidating environment".

Psychiatrist R.D. Laing said that when we invalidate people or deny their perceptions and personal experiences, we make mental invalids of them. He found that when one's feelings are denied a person can be made to feel crazy even they are perfectly mentally healthy.

Recent research by Thomas R. Lynch, Ph.D. of Duke University supports the idea that invalidation leads to mental health problems. He writes "...a history of emotion invalidation (i.e., a history of childhood psychological abuse and parental punishment, minimization, and distress in response to negative emotion) was significantly associated with emotion inhibition (i.e., ambivalence over emotional expression, thought suppression, and avoidant stress responses). Further, emotion inhibition significantly predicted psychological distress, including depression and anxiety symptoms.)

Invalidation goes beyond mere rejection by implying not only that our feelings are disapproved of, but that we are fundamentally abnormal.  This implies that there is something wrong with us because we aren't like everyone else; we are strange; we are different; we are weird.

None of this feels good, and all of it damages us. The more different from the mass norm a person is, for example, more intelligent or more sensitive, the more he is likely to be invalidated. When we are invalidated by having our feelings repudiated, we are attacked at the deepest level possible, since our feelings are the innermost expression of our individual identities.

Psychological invalidation is one of the most lethal forms of emotional abuse. It kills confidence, creativity and individuality.

Telling a person she shouldn't feel the way she does feel is akin to telling water it shouldn't be wet, grass it shouldn't be green, or rocks they shouldn't be hard. Each person's feelings are real. Whether we like or understand someone's feelings, they are still real. Rejecting feelings is rejecting reality; it is to fight nature and may be called a crime against nature, "psychological murder", or "soul murder." Considering that trying to fight feelings, rather than accept them, is trying to fight all of nature, you can see why it is so frustrating, draining and futile.

A good guideline is:  First accept the feelings, then address the behavior.

One the great leaders in education, Haim Ginott, said this:  Primum non nocere- First do no harm. Do not deny your teenager's perception. Do not argue with his experience. Do not disown his feelings.

We regularly invalidate others because we ourselves were, and are often invalidated, so it has become habitual. Below are a few of the many ways we are invalidated:

We are told we shouldn't feel the way we feel
We are dictated not to feel the way we feel
We are told we are too sensitive, too "dramatic"
We are ignored
We are judged
We are led to believe there is something wrong with us for feeling how we feel

You Can't Heal an Emotional Wound with Logic

People with high IQ and low EQ tend to use logic to address emotional issues. They may say, "You are not being rational. There is no reason for you to feel the way you do. Let's look at the facts." Businesses, for example, and "professionals" are traditionally out of balance towards logic at the expense of emotions. This tends to alienate people and diminish their potential.

Actually, all emotions do have a basis in reality, and feelings are facts, fleeting though they may be.  But trying to dress an emotional wound, with logic tends to either confuse, sadden or infuriate a person. Or it may eventually isolate them from their feelings, with a resulting loss of major part of their natural intelligence.

Remember:

You can't solve an emotional problem, or heal an emotional wound, with logic alone.

There are many forms of invalidation. Most of them are so insidious that we don't even know what is happening. We know that something doesn't feel good, but we sometimes can't put our finger on it. We have been conditioned to think that invalidation is "normal." Indeed, it is extremely common, but it is certainly not healthy.

I have heard parents and teachers call children:  dramatic, crybabies, whiners, whingers, too sensitive, worry warts, drama queens.  I have also heard them say things like: "He cries at the drop of a hat." One teacher said "When she starts to cry, I just ignore her and eventually she stops." Another said, "When one kid's crying is disrupting the lesson, I tell them to go cry in the hall till they can pull themselves back together again."  All these labels and statements are invalidating and do emotional harm to children and sensitive teens and adults.

Our world will be a safer place when we learn to stop invalidating one another.

Source:  http://eqi.org/invalid.htm

So you're just feeling invalidated? Sorry to hear that.

A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

Yes, I can tell! Lol. Why don't you add psychologist to your list of credentials too. :-)

You think it will look better with it?

A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

nope just more of the same..

Hexahedra

Food for thought (pun intended): Fructose have the tendency to increase visceral adiposity, that's belly fat in layman's term. Belly fat is not only the most unsightly and stubborn fat for most people, it is also relatively bad for your health, compared to skin fat. What food on average has more fructose than glucose? Yes, fruits.

To be fair none of this matters if you eat at a deficit, but still, fruits are not magic food.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18196982

JustJennie1

Perhaps I'm beating a dead horse, but I really need to understand this.

But......what exactly are you detoxing?

What was rude and aggressive about these seemingly ubiquitous six words?

If you are adressing me, I wrote exactly what I thought was offensive above, and it had nothing to do with those six words.

So you weren't offended by the question?

No. It's a legitimate question given the thread.

Okay... I think I see what happened. It wasn't the person that posted the question, but another poster who responded to your answer to the question.

Does that sum it up?

Because the person who asked the question ended up being the person you demanded the apology from, and after that I was completely lost.

It was the part where the person said "then there must be something wrong with what you're eating or your body" or something to that nature which is what perpetuated the person who feels attacked to well, feel attacked.

There was honestly nothing in the post that was rude or disrespectful. They just simply stated that if one feels the need to "detox" and "give their digestive system a break" then perhaps they need to think about what they are eating within the course of the month that could make them feel that way. At least that's what I got out of it. Nothing rude, no attacking just asking a question.

Mslmesq

Perhaps I'm beating a dead horse, but I really need to understand this.

But......what exactly are you detoxing?

What was rude and aggressive about these seemingly ubiquitous six words?

If you are adressing me, I wrote exactly what I thought was offensive above, and it had nothing to do with those six words.

So you weren't offended by the question?

No. It's a legitimate question given the thread.

Okay... I think I see what happened. It wasn't the person that posted the question, but another poster who responded to your answer to the question.

Does that sum it up?

Because the person who asked the question ended up being the person you demanded the apology from, and after that I was completely lost.

It was the part where the person said "then there must be something wrong with what you're eating or your body" or something to that nature which is what perpetuated the person who feels attacked to well, feel attacked.

There was honestly nothing in the post that was rude or disrespectful. They just simply stated that if one feels the need to "detox" and "give their digestive system a break" then perhaps they need to think about what they are eating within the course of the month that could make them feel that way. At least that's what I got out of it. Nothing rude, no attacking just asking a question.

You are entitled to see it that way. I did not. I saw it as 'either your opinion is stupid, or you are really unhealthy'. Really I saw it as a backhanded slam. And since neither of us are in the mind of the person that wrote it (who apparently has never said another word), or why they said it that way, neither of us really knows for sure. But it is still *my opinion* that it was a rude comment. I'm more confused why so many people in this thread want to tell me I cannot consider that rude or inappropriate just because they wouldn't. i am entitled to have a different opinion of the comment, or no? I need to conform to the opinion of some others?

branflakes1980

I seriously just wasted the last 20 minutes of my life reading these shenannigans. Holy Hell! Between the person who felt attacked, the person who supposedly did the attacking but then didn't do the attacking, was just defending the person who supposedly attacked in the first place, the certified trainor, then the guy who randomly posts about fructose and we can not forget the butt hurt post. Baaahahahaha!! I think we all have a bit too much time on our hands (myself included) if this is how we spend our days. Catch ya'll later, its a beautiful day and I am going outside!!!

Mslmesq

I seriously just wasted the last 20 minutes of my life reading these shenannigans. Holy Hell! Between the person who felt attacked, the person who supposedly did the attacking but then didn't do the attacking, was just defending the person who supposedly attacked in the first place, the certified trainor, then the guy who randomly posts about fructose and we can not forget the butt hurt post. Baaahahahaha!! I think we all have a bit too much time on our hands (myself included) if this is how we spend our days. Catch ya'll later, its a beautiful day and I am going outside!!!

Lol. Good for you. You probably make more sense in this thread than anyone else, even including myself. I'm following suit and going to go out and enjoy my day too.

sarahisfocused

I seriously just wasted the last 20 minutes of my life reading these shenannigans. Holy Hell! Between the person who felt attacked, the person who supposedly did the attacking but then didn't do the attacking, was just defending the person who supposedly attacked in the first place, the certified trainor, then the guy who randomly posts about fructose and we can not forget the butt hurt post. Baaahahahaha!! I think we all have a bit too much time on our hands (myself included) if this is how we spend our days. Catch ya'll later, its a beautiful day and I am going outside!!!

amen. lol. so my gathering is to not waste my money, just eat more fiber and drink more water, will do :P