Eating Clean - No Such Thing

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  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
    You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but eating CRAP is not going to make your insides healthy, no matter how well you stay in your macros... perhaps you need to do some more research?

    And this is why fights break out and people can't have discussions

    YOU TAKE THAT BACK!

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  • CyberEd312
    CyberEd312 Posts: 3,536 Member
    Lab testing among other things... having fatty liver disease or not... simple things like that... cholesterol, etc (really did I have to explain that?)

    Ok so testing is important = starting weight 560 pounds, diagnosed severely fatty liver, full blown type 2 diabetes, severe sleep apnea, very low kidney function, lipid panel so out of wack the Endo dr. told me point blank lose the weight or be dead within a couple years....... Fast forward 4 years, Lost 312 lbs. Liver healthy, kidneys functioning normal, A1c 5.3 (was 10.0 @ 560 lbs.), last 4 - 6month lipid panels "perfect" Endo dr. words not mine. have worked with a dietician who knows everything I eat and has no issues, Eat to my caloric intake, hit my macro's and spend my remaining calorie on discretionary items (ice cream, etc, etc.). I don't think a bowl of ice cream is going to kill me or a few pop tarts.... but again I would never tell anyone there diet is bad cause I don't classify food as clean or dirty.... Best of Luck
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,261 Member
    Calories in/out = weight gain/loss

    Body composition = macro nutrient sufficiency

    Overall health = food sources
    That works.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but eating CRAP is not going to make your insides healthy, no matter how well you stay in your macros... perhaps you need to do some more research?

    Strong first post

    actually it was second...but still strong...
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    why won't this thread die?
  • Joehenny
    Joehenny Posts: 1,222 Member
    You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but eating CRAP is not going to make your insides healthy, no matter how well you stay in your macros... perhaps you need to do some more research?

    Strong first post

    actually it was second...but still strong...

    Naw was first when I posted then op poasted again....unless op posted the same time as me.
  • delicious_cocktail
    delicious_cocktail Posts: 5,797 Member
    why won't this thread die?

    Because it eats whole grains and craps toxins.
  • LAW_714
    LAW_714 Posts: 258
    Ok so testing is important = starting weight 560 pounds, diagnosed severely fatty liver, full blown type 2 diabetes, severe sleep apnea, very low kidney function, lipid panel so out of wack the Endo dr. told me point blank lose the weight or be dead within a couple years....... Fast forward 4 years, Lost 312 lbs. Liver healthy, kidneys functioning normal, A1c 5.3 (was 10.0 @ 560 lbs.), last 4 - 6month lipid panels "perfect" Endo dr. words not mine. have worked with a dietician who knows everything I eat and has no issues, Eat to my caloric intake, hit my macro's and spend my remaining calorie on discretionary items (ice cream, etc, etc.).

    Wow. Great job!
  • zyxst
    zyxst Posts: 9,149 Member
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    You dirty hot linker!
  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
    Lab testing among other things... having fatty liver disease or not... simple things like that... cholesterol, etc (really did I have to explain that?)

    Ok so testing is important = starting weight 560 pounds, diagnosed severely fatty liver, full blown type 2 diabetes, severe sleep apnea, very low kidney function, lipid panel so out of wack the Endo dr. told me point blank lose the weight or be dead within a couple years....... Fast forward 4 years, Lost 312 lbs. Liver healthy, kidneys functioning normal, A1c 5.3 (was 10.0 @ 560 lbs.), last 4 - 6month lipid panels "perfect" Endo dr. words not mine. have worked with a dietician who knows everything I eat and has no issues, Eat to my caloric intake, hit my macro's and spend my remaining calorie on discretionary items (ice cream, etc, etc.). I don't think a bowl of ice cream is going to kill me or a few pop tarts.... but again I would never tell anyone there diet is bad cause I don't classify food as clean or dirty.... Best of Luck

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  • HonuNui
    HonuNui Posts: 1,464 Member
    "Because it eats whole grains and craps toxins. "

    epic!
  • TigerBite
    TigerBite Posts: 611 Member
    Umm ... People can eat whatever they want .. If it's working for them and they feel good, that's all that matters ...

    But can we agree that humans really didn't evolve to eat chemicals like red dye no. 40, yellow no. 5, aspetame, sucralose, hydrogynated oils, etc.

    I mean there has to be a happy medium between a healthy ,whole food based, omnivorous diet and a overly-strict-afraid-of-toxins-organic-only ortherexic one, right?

    EDIT: I myself like wine, I think that's a natural product, but others think it's bad ... The whole thing is so subjective ...
  • tinylightsbelow
    tinylightsbelow Posts: 85 Member
    Umm ... People can eat whatever they want .. If it's working for them and they feel good, that's all that matters ...

    But can we agree that humans really didn't evolve to eat chemicals like red dye no. 40, yellow no. 5, aspetame, sucralose, hydrogynated oils, etc.

    I mean there has to be a happy medium between a healthy ,whole food based, omnivorous diet and a overly-strict-afraid-of-toxins-organic-only ortherexic one, right?

    EDIT: I myself like wine, I think that's a natural product, but others think it's bad ... The whole thing is so subjective ...
    We didn't evolve to eat cow's milk either but lots of people drink that and enjoy good health :P Not to say "omg red 40 is super healthy for you"... but the natural argument doesn't hold much water. Really, we should base our understanding of healthy vs. non-health-promoting foods on scientific research, not on what our evolution was possibly directed towards.
  • highervibes
    highervibes Posts: 2,219 Member
    I'm embarrassed to say what I consider 'clean' after reading some of these threads LOL
  • wideeyedla
    wideeyedla Posts: 138 Member
    Again, WHO. CARES?
    What is working for you is working for you. YAY!
    Moving on...
    These threads are like promising myself I won't slow down to look at the car accident. I always do.
  • highervibes
    highervibes Posts: 2,219 Member
    Again, WHO. CARES?
    What is working for you is working for you. YAY!
    Moving on...
    These threads are like promising myself I won't slow down to look at the car accident. I always do.

    we all do, don't beat yourself up :P
  • Joehenny
    Joehenny Posts: 1,222 Member
    Umm ... People can eat whatever they want .. If it's working for them and they feel good, that's all that matters ...

    But can we agree that humans really didn't evolve to eat chemicals like red dye no. 40, yellow no. 5, aspetame, sucralose, hydrogynated oils, etc.

    I mean there has to be a happy medium between a healthy ,whole food based, omnivorous diet and a overly-strict-afraid-of-toxins-organic-only ortherexic one, right?

    EDIT: I myself like wine, I think that's a natural product, but others think it's bad ... The whole thing is so subjective ...
    We didn't evolve to eat cow's milk either but lots of people drink that and enjoy good health :P Not to say "omg red 40 is super healthy for you"... but the natural argument doesn't hold much water. Really, we should base our understanding of healthy vs. non-health-promoting foods on scientific research, not on what our evolution was possibly directed towards.

    That was a very astute and eloquent observation and analysis. I agree.
  • coreyreichle
    coreyreichle Posts: 1,031 Member
    We didn't evolve to eat cow's milk either but lots of people drink that and enjoy good health :P Not to say "omg red 40 is super healthy for you"... but the natural argument doesn't hold much water. Really, we should base our understanding of healthy vs. non-health-promoting foods on scientific research, not on what our evolution was possibly directed towards.

    Kinda sorta we did, and still are. Cows and humans (Like dogs and humans) have enjoyed about 10,000 years of co-evolution.

    We now have an enzyme that can digest cow milk, thank to this (Well, most people).

    And, quite possibly, given enough time, our bodies will find a way to use Red 40, or use saccharine for caloric needs.

    But, all in all, I agree with what you said: Research to figure out what is healthy, not evolutionary adaptation, which change all the time (Based on natural selection).

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