Body fat % and cheat day tomorrow

joseph4230
joseph4230 Posts: 80 Member
in Health and Weight Loss
Hi all I've been cutting since December when I was 15 stone and took a break from end of April until start of June and started again in June and I am finishing on Monday I am currently about 9st 12lb I think and will be looking to just maintain for now finally, more food lol! Can you estimate my current body fat percentage? My mate said about 14%? Is this an okay body fat % at my age/weight?

Also at what body fat % will my abs fully show as they are currently slightly showing especially in the light and what must I do to reach that % because I have been cutting for absolutely ages and I think I just need at least a month break eating at maintenance for my body before considering any further cutting?

Also it's my Saturday cheat day tomorrow and I have left 5000 calories available in my weekly calories limit and I definitely need it after cutting week by week because it's my day off from the gym and it's the only day I get to rest at home but I am stuck for choice between having a big oven pizza containing 1240 calories, a KFC 6 piece bargain bucket to share so 3 pieces of chicken each and 2 fries each about 1000 calories I think or a donner kebab? I think I'm really craving a donner kebab and I haven't had one since March which was ages ago but how bad are they actually? I've heard something about trans fat and that it's in donner kebabs and it transfers fat to your belly from other parts of your body, is that true? Also would it be OK to have one tomorrow because I don't have them all the time and last time I had one was March I only have it about 3 times a year so would it be OK tomorrow? Also how many calories would a medium donner kebab have?

Thanks all!

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  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    edited August 2016
    Really hard to judge anything from the picture, as we can't see your chest, clavicle, shoulders, neck, etc.

    That being said, if you're nearing the end of your rope, popping into maintenance for some recomp wouldn't be a terrible idea anyway.

    As for your other question, it's going to really depend. I've seen some kebabs as low as 1100 kcals, and some as high as 2400. Calories as well as trans fat content are going to vary wildly from place to place.
  • joseph4230
    joseph4230 Posts: 80 Member
    Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
    Really hard to judge anything from the picture, as we can't see your chest, clavicle, shoulders, neck, etc.

    That being said, if you're nearing the end of your rope, popping into maintenance for some recomp wouldn't be a terrible idea anyway.

    As for your other question, it's going to really depend. I've seen some kebabs as low as 1100 kcals, and some as high as 2400. Calories as well as trans fat content are going to vary wildly from place to place.

    Can't you tell by my side and front as just an estimate? My mate said about 14% and the body fat scales said about 14%? I can get you a before/after picture also to compare how much I've lost since December?

    Oh right well would 1250 calories be ok for a medium donner kebab as that's what I've left out for the cheat meal included in the cheat day? They are listed as 1000 calories on myfitnesspal app etc?

    Also is there trans fat in all takeaways? Is it OK to have one tomorrow if I haven't had one since March? Also will it make my belly fat as I have heard trans fat moves fat to your belly from other parts of your body? Will that not happen if it's only a one off kebab? Thanks
  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    edited August 2016
    So in 6 months,excluding May to June, you have lost 72lbs ?
  • sammyliftsandeats
    sammyliftsandeats Posts: 2,421 Member
    OP, if you want a kebab - then have a kebab. It will be one meal. If you have been in a deficit for a long time, it may be nice to have something you enjoy. It will not make you gain tons of fat - it may increase water weight for a bit if there is a lot of sodium in them.

    And trans fats do NOT transfer fat from other parts of your body to your belly. They are not TRANSfer fats.
  • joseph4230
    joseph4230 Posts: 80 Member
    Sued0nim wrote: »
    So in 6 months,excluding May to June, you have lost 72lbs ?

    Yes about that so I think I've done really well, took a 6 week break from end of April to start to middle of June then resumed :)
  • joseph4230
    joseph4230 Posts: 80 Member
    samanthaluangphixay wrote: »
    OP, if you want a kebab - then have a kebab. It will be one meal. If you have been in a deficit for a long time, it may be nice to have something you enjoy. It will not make you gain tons of fat - it may increase water weight for a bit if there is a lot of sodium in them.

    And trans fats do NOT transfer fat from other parts of your body to your belly. They are not TRANSfer fats.

    That's fantastic so trans fat do not store fat in your belly? I've seen on the Internet that even if your under your calories and you have a kebab you will still gain weight because it said trans fat stores fatty tissue in your belly? I found that a bit strange because it's always calories in vs calories out right? Yeah I always gain about 5lbs or so on my weekly cheat day but it comes off within a few days which is normal. Are you sure I can have a kebab is it like any other takeaway and what's your estimated calories for a medium donner kebab? Thanks :)
  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    You need to drastically slow down any weight loss and try to preserve your muscle more

    Eat your kebab

    You may need to work to put muscle there to see, impossible to tell BF % estimate with shots posted I'm afraid
  • sammyliftsandeats
    sammyliftsandeats Posts: 2,421 Member
    joseph4230 wrote: »
    samanthaluangphixay wrote: »
    OP, if you want a kebab - then have a kebab. It will be one meal. If you have been in a deficit for a long time, it may be nice to have something you enjoy. It will not make you gain tons of fat - it may increase water weight for a bit if there is a lot of sodium in them.

    And trans fats do NOT transfer fat from other parts of your body to your belly. They are not TRANSfer fats.

    That's fantastic so trans fat do not store fat in your belly? I've seen on the Internet that even if your under your calories and you have a kebab you will still gain weight because it said trans fat stores fatty tissue in your belly? I found that a bit strange because it's always calories in vs calories out right? Yeah I always gain about 5lbs or so on my weekly cheat day but it comes off within a few days which is normal. Are you sure I can have a kebab is it like any other takeaway and what's your estimated calories for a medium donner kebab? Thanks :)

    If you gain any weight from your cheat, it's likely water retention from the sodium that is usually found in takeaways. Here is an entry for a medium donner kebab:

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/calories/kebab-shop-lamb-doner-kebab-medium-301g-300580000

    It says 1000 calories. Now, obviously it is going to differ from place to place but you could look at all the different entries and choose an average, or aim high to account for any error.

    The reason it varies is because not every place makes it the same, chicken kebab will be less than lamb, and it depends on if you add extras such as sauce and veggies on it.

    Go enjoy your kebab. Drink some extra water to help with the sodium. And then carry on with what you are doing.
  • Rage_Phish
    Rage_Phish Posts: 1,507 Member
    why do people fall for trolls so easily
  • joseph4230
    joseph4230 Posts: 80 Member
    Sued0nim wrote: »
    You need to drastically slow down any weight loss and try to preserve your muscle more

    Eat your kebab

    You may need to work to put muscle there to see, impossible to tell BF % estimate with shots posted I'm afraid

    Yes I am stopping my weight loss now and from Monday I am going to start maintaining eating at maintenance calories throughout the week but save some calories from Monday to Thursday so I can have extra calories Friday to Sunday to eat what I want whilst still eating at maintenance in my total weekly calories.

    I am currently weightlifting for approximately 1 hour 3 days a week and cardio for about 45 mins 5-6 days a week.

    Do kebabs definitely not transfer fatty tissue to your belly because of the trans fat oils in kebabs? I've seen it somewhere on the Internet but thought it'd be a lie or something as weight gain ans belly fat is down to excess calories and not trans fat, correct?

    Thanks
  • joseph4230
    joseph4230 Posts: 80 Member
    samanthaluangphixay wrote: »
    joseph4230 wrote: »
    samanthaluangphixay wrote: »
    OP, if you want a kebab - then have a kebab. It will be one meal. If you have been in a deficit for a long time, it may be nice to have something you enjoy. It will not make you gain tons of fat - it may increase water weight for a bit if there is a lot of sodium in them.

    And trans fats do NOT transfer fat from other parts of your body to your belly. They are not TRANSfer fats.

    That's fantastic so trans fat do not store fat in your belly? I've seen on the Internet that even if your under your calories and you have a kebab you will still gain weight because it said trans fat stores fatty tissue in your belly? I found that a bit strange because it's always calories in vs calories out right? Yeah I always gain about 5lbs or so on my weekly cheat day but it comes off within a few days which is normal. Are you sure I can have a kebab is it like any other takeaway and what's your estimated calories for a medium donner kebab? Thanks :)

    If you gain any weight from your cheat, it's likely water retention from the sodium that is usually found in takeaways. Here is an entry for a medium donner kebab:

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/calories/kebab-shop-lamb-doner-kebab-medium-301g-300580000

    It says 1000 calories. Now, obviously it is going to differ from place to place but you could look at all the different entries and choose an average, or aim high to account for any error.

    The reason it varies is because not every place makes it the same, chicken kebab will be less than lamb, and it depends on if you add extras such as sauce and veggies on it.

    Go enjoy your kebab. Drink some extra water to help with the sodium. And then carry on with what you are doing.

    Yes I always gain weight on cheat days but this is always water weight/sodium/salt as I'm never over my weekly calories so this ensures me it's not true weight gain and it comes off within a few days.

    Yes myfitnesspal says 1000 calories but I have 1250 calories planned for a cheat meal within my cheat day so would that be OK? I always have about 4 litres of water on my cheat days as well to flush it all out etc and loads the next day also whilst then eating cleanly the following day onwards and this always works for me but would kebab be any different? Can you reassure me that I will not gain belly fat from a donner kebab and that the trans fat in the kebab doesn't transfer fatty tissue to your belly from other parts of your body? Thanks!
  • joseph4230
    joseph4230 Posts: 80 Member
    Rage_Phish wrote: »
    why do people fall for trolls so easily

    Is the trans fat a lie then where it said the trans fat oils in kebabs transfers fatty tissue to your belly and it said regardless of calorie intake you'll still gain weight if you eat a kebab even if your under your calories for example? Is this all lies can you reassure me please that I won't gain sudden belly fat from a donner kebab? Thank you!
  • sammyliftsandeats
    sammyliftsandeats Posts: 2,421 Member
    https://www.fitwatch.com/blog/is-trans-fat-making-your-belly-fat

    Is this one of the articles your friend read? Because there is nothing cited to support its claims.
  • joseph4230
    joseph4230 Posts: 80 Member
    samanthaluangphixay wrote: »
    https://www.fitwatch.com/blog/is-trans-fat-making-your-belly-fat

    Is this one of the articles your friend read? Because there is nothing cited to support its claims.

    Yes that's the one the second paragraph which states "Trans fat has been clinically proven to cause weight gain, even when the participants were consuming a diet that didn’t include enough calories to maintain their weight. Trans fat not only triggers weight gain but it causes fat stored throughout the body to be transferred to the abdominal region. And there’s more."

    Is this actually true or not?
  • sammyliftsandeats
    sammyliftsandeats Posts: 2,421 Member
    It says 'clinically proven' but then does not cite the studies that 'clinically prove it'.

    I think you're okay and I feel you are over thinking this.
  • joseph4230
    joseph4230 Posts: 80 Member
    samanthaluangphixay wrote: »
    It says 'clinically proven' but then does not cite the studies that 'clinically prove it'.

    I think you're okay and I feel you are over thinking this.

    What does clinically proven mean? Does that mean it's not true? Is it fake?

    I mean I find it very hard to believe that trans fats make you gain weight even being under your calories limit because weight gain is down to excess calories right and not trans fats?
  • sammyliftsandeats
    sammyliftsandeats Posts: 2,421 Member
    Clinically proven means that they ran trials/experiments in a scientific setting to determine whether or not an idea is true or not. But without the proof (aka the research), then anyone can say it.

    Weight gain is down to excess calories, yes. So if you stay under your calories, you will not gain weight.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    joseph4230 wrote: »
    samanthaluangphixay wrote: »
    It says 'clinically proven' but then does not cite the studies that 'clinically prove it'.

    I think you're okay and I feel you are over thinking this.

    What does clinically proven mean? Does that mean it's not true? Is it fake?

    I mean I find it very hard to believe that trans fats make you gain weight even being under your calories limit because weight gain is down to excess calories right and not trans fats?

    Dude...it's one meal...in the grand scheme of things, it's irrelevant regardless.
  • joseph4230
    joseph4230 Posts: 80 Member
    samanthaluangphixay wrote: »
    Clinically proven means that they ran trials/experiments in a scientific setting to determine whether or not an idea is true or not. But without the proof (aka the research), then anyone can say it.

    Weight gain is down to excess calories, yes. So if you stay under your calories, you will not gain weight.

    So it's actually not true then? So I can ignore the trans fat = sudden belly fat gain?

    Yes I knew it was excess calories that causes weight gain so didn't understand the whole trans fat weight gain thing. For example there's trans fats in all takeaways and I have a curry or kfc every week but kept it in my weekly calories and gained no fat or weight? So this tells me that's not true and I will get a kebab tomorrow night :)
  • joseph4230
    joseph4230 Posts: 80 Member
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    joseph4230 wrote: »
    samanthaluangphixay wrote: »
    It says 'clinically proven' but then does not cite the studies that 'clinically prove it'.

    I think you're okay and I feel you are over thinking this.

    What does clinically proven mean? Does that mean it's not true? Is it fake?

    I mean I find it very hard to believe that trans fats make you gain weight even being under your calories limit because weight gain is down to excess calories right and not trans fats?

    Dude...it's one meal...in the grand scheme of things, it's irrelevant regardless.

    But the trans fat = sudden belly fat gain is all lies right? As long as you don't consume excess calories you shouldn't gain fat overall?
  • lorrpb
    lorrpb Posts: 11,463 Member
    joseph4230 wrote: »
    Sued0nim wrote: »
    So in 6 months,excluding May to June, you have lost 72lbs ?

    Yes about that so I think I've done really well, took a 6 week break from end of April to start to middle of June then resumed :)

    You surely have lost a good bit of muscle because of such an aggressive drop rate. BF might be higher than you think.
  • joseph4230
    joseph4230 Posts: 80 Member
    edited August 2016
    lorrpb wrote: »
    joseph4230 wrote: »
    Sued0nim wrote: »
    So in 6 months,excluding May to June, you have lost 72lbs ?

    Yes about that so I think I've done really well, took a 6 week break from end of April to start to middle of June then resumed :)

    You surely have lost a good bit of muscle because of such an aggressive drop rate. BF might be higher than you think.

    I haven't lost a lot of muscle to be honest I think I'm lean enough at the moment but I would have lost muscle with all that fat yes but I think I'm lean enough at the minute, the mirror tells me that
  • sammyliftsandeats
    sammyliftsandeats Posts: 2,421 Member
    joseph4230 wrote: »
    samanthaluangphixay wrote: »
    Clinically proven means that they ran trials/experiments in a scientific setting to determine whether or not an idea is true or not. But without the proof (aka the research), then anyone can say it.

    Weight gain is down to excess calories, yes. So if you stay under your calories, you will not gain weight.

    So it's actually not true then? So I can ignore the trans fat = sudden belly fat gain?

    Yes I knew it was excess calories that causes weight gain so didn't understand the whole trans fat weight gain thing. For example there's trans fats in all takeaways and I have a curry or kfc every week but kept it in my weekly calories and gained no fat or weight? So this tells me that's not true and I will get a kebab tomorrow night :)

    If you got a curry or KFC with trans fat in it while keeping within your calories and didn't gain fat, then what would make a kebab different? It does not transfer fat. Enjoy your kebab.
  • joseph4230
    joseph4230 Posts: 80 Member
    edited August 2016
    samanthaluangphixay wrote: »
    joseph4230 wrote: »
    samanthaluangphixay wrote: »
    Clinically proven means that they ran trials/experiments in a scientific setting to determine whether or not an idea is true or not. But without the proof (aka the research), then anyone can say it.

    Weight gain is down to excess calories, yes. So if you stay under your calories, you will not gain weight.

    So it's actually not true then? So I can ignore the trans fat = sudden belly fat gain?

    Yes I knew it was excess calories that causes weight gain so didn't understand the whole trans fat weight gain thing. For example there's trans fats in all takeaways and I have a curry or kfc every week but kept it in my weekly calories and gained no fat or weight? So this tells me that's not true and I will get a kebab tomorrow night :)

    If you got a curry or KFC with trans fat in it while keeping within your calories and didn't gain fat, then what would make a kebab different? It does not transfer fat. Enjoy your kebab.

    Exactly! That's what I thought because all takeaway foods have trans fat including KFC and Indians etc whilst keeping within my weekly calorie limit and I didn't gain fat so why would a donner kebab actually be any different is correct, that means I'll be able to have one tomorrow, thank you very much for reassuring me :)

    Now the question is shall I order medium or large lol, I left 1250 calories out as planned for my actual meal in my 5000 calories cheat day which will now be the donner kebab but would it have more than this? As a rough estimate how many calories would you say would be in a medium donner kebab and a large donner kebab?

    Thank you :)
  • Wynterbourne
    Wynterbourne Posts: 2,225 Member
    Rage_Phish wrote: »
    why do people fall for trolls so easily

    I'm having flashbacks to Mr. Cake Sandwich.
  • joseph4230
    joseph4230 Posts: 80 Member
    Hi people can i have some advice on something else please

    I burn 14,000 calories every week (approx 2000 per day)
    I have heard you can count calories weekly instead of daily in case you have some higher calorie days and some lower calorie days.

    Now since Monday when my calories allowance resets once a week I've only consumed 5,900 calories since then with some very low calorie days as I had my Saturday cheat day planned so I have 8,100 calories left until Monday and I want to burn the last 1750 calories for my final half pound of fat as planned as don't want to lose anymore now and I only want to consume 350 calories for tomorrow which is Sunday so 1750+350 = 2100, that leaves 6000 calories left so could I have 6000 calories today and still lose that half a pound and be within my weekly calorie limit?

    Also say if I didn't want to lose that half a pound could I have 6000 today and 2100 tomorrow and still maintain if there's 8,100 calories left? Will this not affect me with fat wise or anything?

    Thank you
  • joseph4230
    joseph4230 Posts: 80 Member
    Hi guys, I had my large donner kebab yesterday it was huge lol I logged it at 1600 calories just on the safe side. Would I be able to have a donner kebab every week for my cheat day or is one kebab every week bad and fattening? How frequently? Also I've gone over my weekly maintenance calories by 1000 today will this matter much in regards to fat gains? Thanks

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