Carbs...are still carbs?
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »Science_101 wrote: »
It is pretty simple - the fat cells in, having been insulin resistant, are inflamed and increase their metabolic activity. This makes them store even more of the body's incoming energy.
No, insulin resistance causes cells to be progressively more unable to absorb glucose from the bloodstream.0 -
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geneticsteacher wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »Science_101 wrote: »
It is pretty simple - the fat cells in, having been insulin resistant, are inflamed and increase their metabolic activity. This makes them store even more of the body's incoming energy.
No, insulin resistance causes cells to be progressively more unable to absorb glucose from the bloodstream.
And the pancreas produces more insulin to overcome the resistance, then the excess glucose gets stored as fat.1 -
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Where are the references in the article you linked? What is "fat storage mode"? In years of teaching Health, Nutrition, Genetics, and Chemistry, I have never heard of this term. A lot of opinion and very little science in that link.1
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I eat veg on LCHF. Not a lot, because the fibre irritates my gut. Generally the ones recommended on LCHF are the ones growing above ground, green veg mostly, that doesn't have a lot of carbs. (Leafy greens, zucchini, brocolli and so on)
Low carb is not no carb. Even at ketogenic level you still can eat up to 20-50g a day, coming from veg. Which is about my limit currently. Like some low carbers, I count net carbs. You subtract fibre. That can give you even more flexibility.
Sounds like your nutritionist has some misconceptions. Maybe confusing low carb with carnivore or something.0 -
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Don't talk to a nutritionist. Especially one who states that one can't lose weight eating carbs. Speak to a Registered Dietician.AFewLionCubs wrote: »I've started eating a ton of vegetables over the last week. I found a farmers market and got a lot of celery, cucumbers, zucchini, carrots, and apples.
Instead of chips and a sandwich, I have a sandwich with carrots and cucumbers.
I was under the impression that eating low calorie fresh foods would surely be a path to weight loss but the nutritionist disagrees saying veggies are still carbs and you can't lose weight eating carbs.
This sort of made my head spin... Any input to this?
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I hope at the end of the day, what OP gets from this thread is "ditch the crazy cat lady nutritionist and eat like a normal person" and can flush all the rest down the crapper where it belongs.7
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Is she really a nutritionist or a personal trainer giving nutrition advice? If so, don't listen.AFewLionCubs wrote: »Well, more so not to eat too many veggies. She says I should be eating or drinking protein and having very few carbs.
I added a banana to my protein shake, for flavor and because I was getting leg cramps, she told me it was wasted calories and not a significant source or potassium... and too much sugar.
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geneticsteacher wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »Science_101 wrote: »
It is pretty simple - the fat cells in, having been insulin resistant, are inflamed and increase their metabolic activity. This makes them store even more of the body's incoming energy.
No, insulin resistance causes cells to be progressively more unable to absorb glucose from the bloodstream.
And the pancreas produces more insulin to overcome the resistance, then the excess glucose gets stored as fat.
No, it doesn't.0 -
Tons of links to studies on that blog. Take the time to read it.0
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Or maybe because they game a lot, they don't eat more than they need to.Why do you think that super skinny gamer friend never gains weight, because the way he body processes the food is different from myself.
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"In insulin resistance, muscle, fat, and liver cells do not respond properly to insulin and thus cannot easily absorb glucose from the bloodstream. As a result, the body needs higher levels of insulin to help glucose enter cells.
The beta cells in the pancreas try to keep up with this increased demand for insulin by producing more. As long as the beta cells are able to produce enough insulin to overcome the insulin resistance, blood glucose levels stay in the healthy range.
Over time, insulin resistance can lead to type 2 diabetes and prediabetes because the beta cells fail to keep up with the body's increased need for insulin. Without enough insulin, excess glucose builds up in the bloodstream, leading to diabetes, prediabetes, and other serious health disorders."
From https://niddk.nih.gov/health-information/diabetes/types/prediabetes-insulin-resistance
I suggest you read this.0 -
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My diet becomes much more vegetable centric in the late summer and fall when the farmers markets are in full swing. I love meat, but when there is fresh fruits and vegetables to eat it can't be beat.1
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »Science_101 wrote: »
It is pretty simple - the fat cells in, having been insulin resistant, are inflamed and increase their metabolic activity. This makes them store even more of the body's incoming energy.
No, insulin resistance causes cells to be progressively more unable to absorb glucose from the bloodstream.
Yeah, and since they don't have glucose, they become worried about starvation and begin storing more fat to make up the difference in energy.
Lol, a Registered Dietician is LICENSED. One who doesn't, isn't. So would rather consult a lawyer who can pass the bar and practice law, or have a lawyer who can't? You have some of the oddest answers to people's questions.BreezeDoveal wrote: »
Don't talk to a nutritionist. Especially one who states that one can't lose weight eating carbs. Speak to a Registered Dietician.AFewLionCubs wrote: »I've started eating a ton of vegetables over the last week. I found a farmers market and got a lot of celery, cucumbers, zucchini, carrots, and apples.
Instead of chips and a sandwich, I have a sandwich with carrots and cucumbers.
I was under the impression that eating low calorie fresh foods would surely be a path to weight loss but the nutritionist disagrees saying veggies are still carbs and you can't lose weight eating carbs.
This sort of made my head spin... Any input to this?
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They don't have to be registered. Some people are politically against registering as against their freedoms to dietary advice as they see fit.
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geneticsteacher wrote: »", blood glucose levels stay in the healthy range.
Once the pancreas produces enough insulin to overcome the resistance what happens to the glucose in your blood stream? Where and how does it get stored?
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geneticsteacher wrote: »", blood glucose levels stay in the healthy range.
Once the pancreas produces enough insulin to overcome the resistance what happens to the glucose in your blood stream? Where and how does it get stored?
It gets taken into cells and is used for energy. It does not get STORED (other than the small amount stored as glycogen) unless you are eating calories in excess of what is needed for metabolism/exercise/TEF, etc.0 -
geneticsteacher wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »", blood glucose levels stay in the healthy range.
Once the pancreas produces enough insulin to overcome the resistance what happens to the glucose in your blood stream? Where and how does it get stored?
It gets taken into cells and is used for energy. It does not get STORED (other than the small amount stored as glycogen) unless you are eating calories in excess of what is needed for metabolism/exercise/TEF, etc.
Your muscles can only store roughly 300 grams of carbs at a time. If you are already at that limit, then the rest would get stored as fat, no?0 -
Lol, good luck with that then. BTW, you do know that it's illegal for a lawyer who hasn't passed the bar (of any particular state) to represent anyone in a court of law? Even licensed lawyers in one state need to be bar admitted to another state or jurisdiction to practice law. BOOM again.BreezeDoveal wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »Science_101 wrote: »
It is pretty simple - the fat cells in, having been insulin resistant, are inflamed and increase their metabolic activity. This makes them store even more of the body's incoming energy.
No, insulin resistance causes cells to be progressively more unable to absorb glucose from the bloodstream.
Yeah, and since they don't have glucose, they become worried about starvation and begin storing more fat to make up the difference in energy.
Lol, a Registered Dietician is LICENSED. One who doesn't, isn't. So would rather consult a lawyer who can pass the bar and practice law, or have a lawyer who can't? You have some of the oddest answers to people's questions.BreezeDoveal wrote: »
Don't talk to a nutritionist. Especially one who states that one can't lose weight eating carbs. Speak to a Registered Dietician.AFewLionCubs wrote: »I've started eating a ton of vegetables over the last week. I found a farmers market and got a lot of celery, cucumbers, zucchini, carrots, and apples.
Instead of chips and a sandwich, I have a sandwich with carrots and cucumbers.
I was under the impression that eating low calorie fresh foods would surely be a path to weight loss but the nutritionist disagrees saying veggies are still carbs and you can't lose weight eating carbs.
This sort of made my head spin... Any input to this?
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They don't have to be registered. Some people are politically against registering as against their freedoms to dietary advice as they see fit.
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Of course. If I could have a lawyer represent me who hadn't passed the bar, I'd know he could win. He's already overcome the laws about needing to pass the bar to represent someone, so I'd be confident that lawyer could overcome the laws I need overcome.
Now back to the OP's issue.
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geneticsteacher wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »", blood glucose levels stay in the healthy range.
Once the pancreas produces enough insulin to overcome the resistance what happens to the glucose in your blood stream? Where and how does it get stored?
It gets taken into cells and is used for energy. It does not get STORED (other than the small amount stored as glycogen) unless you are eating calories in excess of what is needed for metabolism/exercise/TEF, etc.
Your muscles can only store roughly 300 grams of carbs at a time. If you are already at that limit, then the rest would get stored as fat, no?
No. It would be used for energy unless you were eating more calories from any source (carbs, protein, fat) than you needed.1 -
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geneticsteacher wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »", blood glucose levels stay in the healthy range.
Once the pancreas produces enough insulin to overcome the resistance what happens to the glucose in your blood stream? Where and how does it get stored?
It gets taken into cells and is used for energy. It does not get STORED (other than the small amount stored as glycogen) unless you are eating calories in excess of what is needed for metabolism/exercise/TEF, etc.
Your muscles can only store roughly 300 grams of carbs at a time. If you are already at that limit, then the rest would get stored as fat, no?
No. It would be used for energy unless you were eating more calories from any source (carbs, protein, fat) than you needed.
Your body can not store more than 300 grams of carbs (energy) at a given time. Once your muscle cells have reached this limit, any excess energy is going to be stored as fat.0
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