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Only if they get knocked on their *kitten*. Probably because they had not been lifting heavy on squats in the weight room because they were so concerned to go ATG so they had something to brag about.0 -
rainbowbow wrote: »I just had to try and find some examples.
This is a poor depth squat. This is a "little dip".
She is going parallel. This is a huge difference.
here's an example of dat butt winking
The parallel example collapses her knees though2 -
Again, the athletic position most athletes spend the vast majority of time in benefits more from heavy parallel squats rather than ATG. Three point stance in football, jump position in basketball, sprint and block starts, etc. I still think it's an ego thing. Especially from cross fitters.1
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My orthopedic surgeon thinks no one should be squatting past parallel. He tells the high school kids to stop going ATG. I didn't go into depth with him about this but have been reading that it may be hard on the joints. And those who are not trained to move properly (keeping muscles engaged throughout movement) may create damage to the joints and tendons.0
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My orthopedic surgeon thinks no one should be squatting past parallel. He tells the high school kids to stop going ATG. I didn't go into depth with him about this but have been reading that it may be hard on the joints. And those who are not trained to move properly (keeping muscles engaged throughout movement) may create damage to the joints and tendons.
Anyone who claims, without evidence, that "squats are bad for the joints" has shown you their opinion can be totally ignored with regards to weight training because they have not the slightest idea what weight training does to a body.0 -
CipherZero wrote: »My orthopedic surgeon thinks no one should be squatting past parallel. He tells the high school kids to stop going ATG. I didn't go into depth with him about this but have been reading that it may be hard on the joints. And those who are not trained to move properly (keeping muscles engaged throughout movement) may create damage to the joints and tendons.
Anyone who claims, without evidence, that "squats are bad for the joints" has shown you their opinion can be totally ignored with regards to weight training because they have not the slightest idea what weight training does to a body.
Huh? I never said he said squats are bad for the joints. He said it was good to heavy squat to parallel. It's understood squats are good. It's the ATG heavy squats in question.0 -
Lol, football players at about EVERY position hit the ground (with maybe the exception of kickers) during a game and as fast as it is, springing back up to complete plays is desired. There is a difference in training just to train heavy and training to excel in sports. MMA, wrestling, rock climbing, etc. all require strength through the legs than just beyond parallel.Only if they get knocked on their *kitten*. Probably because they had not been lifting heavy on squats in the weight room because they were so concerned to go ATG so they had something to brag about.
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Actually they spend more time moving than just in a parallel position. It BENEFITS having strength at the lowest point of a squat for ANY ATHLETE. You'd be hard pressed to find any conditioning or sports athletic trainer who doesn't believe this.Again, the athletic position most athletes spend the vast majority of time in benefits more from heavy parallel squats rather than ATG. Three point stance in football, jump position in basketball, sprint and block starts, etc. I still think it's an ego thing. Especially from cross fitters.
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There's nothing wrong with going to ATG IF it's executed properly and one isn't using resistance that's beyond their strength level.My orthopedic surgeon thinks no one should be squatting past parallel. He tells the high school kids to stop going ATG. I didn't go into depth with him about this but have been reading that it may be hard on the joints. And those who are not trained to move properly (keeping muscles engaged throughout movement) may create damage to the joints and tendons.
I would say that many orthos may say this due to surgeries that they are performing on people with knee issues and correlating it with how they may squat. Personally know 3 Crossfitters that have had knee surgeries.
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I have no problem with athletes squatting below parallel. In fact, when we do box squats I make them put the box below the parallel point and use lower percentages and have them move faster through the lift. My issue is with the ATG only crowd. The ones I know are weaker and less explosive in sports. But they love to talk crap on the ones who lift at parallel. Then I hear it's "functional" as if the other isn't.1
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There's nothing wrong with going to ATG IF it's executed properly and one isn't using resistance that's beyond their strength level.My orthopedic surgeon thinks no one should be squatting past parallel. He tells the high school kids to stop going ATG. I didn't go into depth with him about this but have been reading that it may be hard on the joints. And those who are not trained to move properly (keeping muscles engaged throughout movement) may create damage to the joints and tendons.
I would say that many orthos may say this due to surgeries that they are performing on people with knee issues and correlating it with how they may squat. Personally know 3 Crossfitters that have had knee surgeries.
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With regard to surgeries, that came to my mind as well. But then he advises young athletes as a preventative measure to not go past parallel for heavy squats.
I think most people who claim to go ATG on back squats are closer to parallel anyway.
I would think athletes who want to be quicker at getting up or want to increase their sprint speed can benefit better from heavy parallel squats and hip thrusts with some plyometrics that mimic their sport movement.
ETA: plyometrics--I don't mean heaving a heavy a linebacker off one's back from the ground.0 -
That's an issue thing amongst THEM. It doesn't devalue that actual movement (ATG)for those who are explosive and aren't weak. That's like saying one doesn't need to do hamstring work if they are strong a squats, leg press and dead lifts. Adding a hamstring movement DOESN'T reduce what they are already doing and may in fact enhance it. Not to mention that balance (antagonistic muscles) have less chance of being over powered and getting injured.I have no problem with athletes squatting below parallel. In fact, when we do box squats I make them put the box below the parallel point and use lower percentages and have them move faster through the lift. My issue is with the ATG only crowd. The ones I know are weaker and less explosive in sports. But they love to talk crap on the ones who lift at parallel. Then I hear it's "functional" as if the other isn't.
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All those are great to add. The thing with sports (especially those where impact happen alot), is that the legs are ALWAYS put into positions that don't mimic squats. It's rare that one will have weight evenly distributed while a play is in action. So you do want to train muscles for every possibility if you can. That's why plyometrics, ladder work, core work and lots of weight room work are essential in most athletes lives today.
There's nothing wrong with going to ATG IF it's executed properly and one isn't using resistance that's beyond their strength level.My orthopedic surgeon thinks no one should be squatting past parallel. He tells the high school kids to stop going ATG. I didn't go into depth with him about this but have been reading that it may be hard on the joints. And those who are not trained to move properly (keeping muscles engaged throughout movement) may create damage to the joints and tendons.
I would say that many orthos may say this due to surgeries that they are performing on people with knee issues and correlating it with how they may squat. Personally know 3 Crossfitters that have had knee surgeries.
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With regard to surgeries, that came to my mind as well. But then he advises young athletes as a preventative measure to not go past parallel for heavy squats.
I think most people who claim to go ATG on back squats are closer to parallel anyway.
I would think athletes who want to be quicker at getting up or want to increase their sprint speed can benefit better from heavy parallel squats and hip thrusts with some plyometrics that mimic their sport movement.
ETA: plyometrics--I don't mean heaving a heavy a linebacker off one's back from the ground.
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I am pretty shy on the clean to OHP but can see how ATG can be beneficial for heavier loads. But also the movement may detail more focus on the "catch" (fully engaged) than a front squat movement.0
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Well Olympic lifts (clean and jerk, snatch) rely on ATG in the lift. And these people are moving heavy poundages. Was so impressed by the guy that won the 56kg (123lbs) class with a World record 170kg (374lbs) clean and jerk this past Olympics.I am pretty shy on the clean to OHP but can see how ATG can be beneficial for heavier loads. But also the movement may detail more focus on the "catch" (fully engaged) than a front squat movement.
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i've long ago given up having opinions about the way other folks squat. i'm not in this to change the whole world, so the one that matters to me is the one that lets me do it without getting hurt my own self.
i can't even reliably figure out what that is for my own body after two years and counting. i've actually found more than one style that seems to be okay, depending on what i'm after and what kind of mobility r.a. is giving my joints.
so i got no doctrine to bring to anyone else.1 -
I think it really depends on the goal and the person doing the squatting and how those things match up.
I can think of examples where squatting above parallel is fine and I can think of examples where squatting ATG is fine.0 -
I think it really depends on the goal and the person doing the squatting and how those things match up.
I can think of examples where squatting above parallel is fine and I can think of examples where squatting ATG is fine.
Fully agree with this.
When I was powerlifting, I had to squat to depth (below parallel). Now that I am lifting for form over function (hypertrophy), I squat with less depth as I feel I can keep constant tension on my quads like this.
I have never squatted ATG as I lack the ankle flexibility, or desire to snap my *kitten* up.0 -
What's ATG?
At The Groin?0
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