Eating more later in the day?
FrumMama
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I've only been tracking calories for a few days now, but I'm seeing a pattern. I often eat a small breakfast (in a rush, getting kids out of the house), a larger lunch, a little snack in the afternoon, and then a LARGE dinner. I'm sticking to the calorie amounts, but does it matter when you eat the calories? I do make sure to eat breakfast every day, and there's always protein in my breakfast (this morning it was a two egg omelet with a small amount of cheese), but I get really hungry for dinner and it's hard for me to sit at the table with the family and not eat anything (my fam all eats a LOT -- but they don't have my metabolism). Dinner's also the meal of the day I like the best, and it's not as healthy because it's not just for me.
But if the calories add up, does it not matter? I don't usually eat after dinner either...
But if the calories add up, does it not matter? I don't usually eat after dinner either...
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It doesn't matter at all when during the day you consume your calories. Different things work for different people. What matters is how many calories you eat, not when you eat them. Timing of meals has no impact one way or the other.
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I'm do about the same as you. Eggs for breakfast, lunch snack, big dinner. I tend to stay up late and if I don't eat a big dinner, I'll get the munchies later. I don't think it really matters when you eat unless you have very specified reasons for doing so. BTW I've done this since February and I've lost 60 pounds so I'm fairly certain if only anecdotally that it works out fine.4
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The timing of calories only counts slightly when trying to gain muscle. Lyle McDonald (an absolute genius when it comes to body recomposition) states that meal frequency (as in eating more, small meals to promote weight loss) and timing don't really have any significant effect on the body. If you want more info, check out his website: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/meal-patterning-part-1-book-excerpt.html/. Good source of info.
Other than that, it is scientifically known that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat even MORE sugar or carbs. So, I have to ask, what do you eat for breakfast? If it has sugar then that could be your problem. Try eating more complex carbs with a good amount of protein (oatmeal and eggs, scrambled eggs, omelets, low carb milk and high protein cereal, etc.)2 -
TravisGM92 wrote: »Other than that, it is scientifically known that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat even MORE sugar or carbs. So, I have to ask, what do you eat for breakfast? If it has sugar then that could be your problem. Try eating more complex carbs with a good amount of protein (oatmeal and eggs, scrambled eggs, omelets, low carb milk and high protein cereal, etc.)
Sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar? This is 'scientifically known?' Please provide us your sources for this claim.
Also sounds like the OP already eats a good, healthy breakfast.
Sugar is not the devil.
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snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »Other than that, it is scientifically known that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat even MORE sugar or carbs. So, I have to ask, what do you eat for breakfast? If it has sugar then that could be your problem. Try eating more complex carbs with a good amount of protein (oatmeal and eggs, scrambled eggs, omelets, low carb milk and high protein cereal, etc.)
Sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar? This is 'scientifically known?' Please provide us your sources for this claim.
Also sounds like the OP already eats a good, healthy breakfast.
Sugar is not the devil.
Sugar is the devil. We don't need sugar and it's been known to be just as addictive as cocaine: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/08/23/is-sugar-more-addictive-than-cocaine.aspx, also: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2013/10/16/research-shows-cocaine-and-heroin-are-less-addictive-than-oreos/#2275a5184b7b.
As for the claim that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar; https://authoritynutrition.com/how-sugar-makes-you-addicted/.
I can provide more citations if needed.0 -
TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »Other than that, it is scientifically known that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat even MORE sugar or carbs. So, I have to ask, what do you eat for breakfast? If it has sugar then that could be your problem. Try eating more complex carbs with a good amount of protein (oatmeal and eggs, scrambled eggs, omelets, low carb milk and high protein cereal, etc.)
Sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar? This is 'scientifically known?' Please provide us your sources for this claim.
Also sounds like the OP already eats a good, healthy breakfast.
Sugar is not the devil.
Sugar is the devil. We don't need sugar and it's been known to be just as addictive as cocaine: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/08/23/is-sugar-more-addictive-than-cocaine.aspx, also: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2013/10/16/research-shows-cocaine-and-heroin-are-less-addictive-than-oreos/#2275a5184b7b.
As for the claim that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar; https://authoritynutrition.com/how-sugar-makes-you-addicted/.
I can provide more citations if needed.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but "Dr." Mercola is a complete quack. You stated that sugar being evil is "scientifically known." Neither of those two 'sources' have anything to do with legitimate peer-reviewed science.9 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »Other than that, it is scientifically known that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat even MORE sugar or carbs. So, I have to ask, what do you eat for breakfast? If it has sugar then that could be your problem. Try eating more complex carbs with a good amount of protein (oatmeal and eggs, scrambled eggs, omelets, low carb milk and high protein cereal, etc.)
Sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar? This is 'scientifically known?' Please provide us your sources for this claim.
Also sounds like the OP already eats a good, healthy breakfast.
Sugar is not the devil.
Sugar is the devil. We don't need sugar and it's been known to be just as addictive as cocaine: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/08/23/is-sugar-more-addictive-than-cocaine.aspx, also: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2013/10/16/research-shows-cocaine-and-heroin-are-less-addictive-than-oreos/#2275a5184b7b.
As for the claim that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar; https://authoritynutrition.com/how-sugar-makes-you-addicted/.
I can provide more citations if needed.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but "Dr." Mercola is a complete quack. You stated that sugar being evil is "scientifically known." Neither of those two 'sources' have anything to do with legitimate peer-reviewed science.
So first off, I didn't claim the fact that "sugar is the devil" as scientifically know. I claimed that it's scientifically known that eating sugar or simple carbs promotes the urge to eat more sugar or carbs.
Secondly, did you even look at the links? This is the original study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1931610/. Click on that, read it. Then come back and tell me I don't have scientific backing.1 -
No, meal timing doesn't matter. Lack of knowledge and unhealthy attitudes matter
You have to treat yourself decently.
You will get hungry for dinner because it's time to eat, and the less you have eaten earlier in the day, the more hungry you'll be. Would you sit at the dinner table and not eat anything? Why? When you like dinner best? Why isn't it for you? What's not healthy with the dinner? Do you let your family eat unhealthy food?
Nothing is wrong with your metabolism.1 -
TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »Other than that, it is scientifically known that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat even MORE sugar or carbs. So, I have to ask, what do you eat for breakfast? If it has sugar then that could be your problem. Try eating more complex carbs with a good amount of protein (oatmeal and eggs, scrambled eggs, omelets, low carb milk and high protein cereal, etc.)
Sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar? This is 'scientifically known?' Please provide us your sources for this claim.
Also sounds like the OP already eats a good, healthy breakfast.
Sugar is not the devil.
Sugar is the devil. We don't need sugar and it's been known to be just as addictive as cocaine: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/08/23/is-sugar-more-addictive-than-cocaine.aspx, also: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2013/10/16/research-shows-cocaine-and-heroin-are-less-addictive-than-oreos/#2275a5184b7b.
As for the claim that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar; https://authoritynutrition.com/how-sugar-makes-you-addicted/.
I can provide more citations if needed.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but "Dr." Mercola is a complete quack. You stated that sugar being evil is "scientifically known." Neither of those two 'sources' have anything to do with legitimate peer-reviewed science.
So first off, I didn't claim the fact that "sugar is the devil" as scientifically know. I claimed that it's scientifically known that eating sugar or simple carbs promotes the urge to eat more sugar or carbs.
Secondly, did you even look at the links? This is the original study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1931610/. Click on that, read it. Then come back and tell me I don't have scientific backing.
Well I've read it and can still say you don't have scientific backing. Just a bunch of fear mongering and twisted truths there4 -
TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »Other than that, it is scientifically known that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat even MORE sugar or carbs. So, I have to ask, what do you eat for breakfast? If it has sugar then that could be your problem. Try eating more complex carbs with a good amount of protein (oatmeal and eggs, scrambled eggs, omelets, low carb milk and high protein cereal, etc.)
Sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar? This is 'scientifically known?' Please provide us your sources for this claim.
Also sounds like the OP already eats a good, healthy breakfast.
Sugar is not the devil.
Sugar is the devil. We don't need sugar and it's been known to be just as addictive as cocaine: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/08/23/is-sugar-more-addictive-than-cocaine.aspx, also: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2013/10/16/research-shows-cocaine-and-heroin-are-less-addictive-than-oreos/#2275a5184b7b.
As for the claim that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar; https://authoritynutrition.com/how-sugar-makes-you-addicted/.
I can provide more citations if needed.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but "Dr." Mercola is a complete quack. You stated that sugar being evil is "scientifically known." Neither of those two 'sources' have anything to do with legitimate peer-reviewed science.
So first off, I didn't claim the fact that "sugar is the devil" as scientifically know. I claimed that it's scientifically known that eating sugar or simple carbs promotes the urge to eat more sugar or carbs.
Secondly, did you even look at the links? This is the original study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1931610/. Click on that, read it. Then come back and tell me I don't have scientific backing.
I'm not a rat! LOL Really!!0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »Other than that, it is scientifically known that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat even MORE sugar or carbs. So, I have to ask, what do you eat for breakfast? If it has sugar then that could be your problem. Try eating more complex carbs with a good amount of protein (oatmeal and eggs, scrambled eggs, omelets, low carb milk and high protein cereal, etc.)
Sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar? This is 'scientifically known?' Please provide us your sources for this claim.
Also sounds like the OP already eats a good, healthy breakfast.
Sugar is not the devil.
Sugar is the devil. We don't need sugar and it's been known to be just as addictive as cocaine: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/08/23/is-sugar-more-addictive-than-cocaine.aspx, also: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2013/10/16/research-shows-cocaine-and-heroin-are-less-addictive-than-oreos/#2275a5184b7b.
As for the claim that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar; https://authoritynutrition.com/how-sugar-makes-you-addicted/.
I can provide more citations if needed.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but "Dr." Mercola is a complete quack. You stated that sugar being evil is "scientifically known." Neither of those two 'sources' have anything to do with legitimate peer-reviewed science.
So first off, I didn't claim the fact that "sugar is the devil" as scientifically know. I claimed that it's scientifically known that eating sugar or simple carbs promotes the urge to eat more sugar or carbs.
Secondly, did you even look at the links? This is the original study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1931610/. Click on that, read it. Then come back and tell me I don't have scientific backing.
I'm not a rat! LOL Really!!
Well, no *kitten* you're not a rat. These studies are meant to suggest that sugar is very addictive. Rats don't have as addictive qualities as humans. Do you know how many medical break throughs have been made by using rats as study subjects first?4 -
That study was in rats choosing between saccharin and cocaine. The rats chose saccharine. The authors also mention that in a monkey study, monkeys chose cocaine over sugar. Neither study includes human testing.2
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TravisGM92 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »Other than that, it is scientifically known that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat even MORE sugar or carbs. So, I have to ask, what do you eat for breakfast? If it has sugar then that could be your problem. Try eating more complex carbs with a good amount of protein (oatmeal and eggs, scrambled eggs, omelets, low carb milk and high protein cereal, etc.)
Sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar? This is 'scientifically known?' Please provide us your sources for this claim.
Also sounds like the OP already eats a good, healthy breakfast.
Sugar is not the devil.
Sugar is the devil. We don't need sugar and it's been known to be just as addictive as cocaine: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/08/23/is-sugar-more-addictive-than-cocaine.aspx, also: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2013/10/16/research-shows-cocaine-and-heroin-are-less-addictive-than-oreos/#2275a5184b7b.
As for the claim that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar; https://authoritynutrition.com/how-sugar-makes-you-addicted/.
I can provide more citations if needed.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but "Dr." Mercola is a complete quack. You stated that sugar being evil is "scientifically known." Neither of those two 'sources' have anything to do with legitimate peer-reviewed science.
So first off, I didn't claim the fact that "sugar is the devil" as scientifically know. I claimed that it's scientifically known that eating sugar or simple carbs promotes the urge to eat more sugar or carbs.
Secondly, did you even look at the links? This is the original study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1931610/. Click on that, read it. Then come back and tell me I don't have scientific backing.
I'm not a rat! LOL Really!!
Well, no *kitten* you're not a rat. These studies are meant to suggest that sugar is very addictive. Rats don't have as addictive qualities as humans. Do you know how many medical break throughs have been made by using rats as study subjects first?
But the studies were done with rats.0 -
TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »Other than that, it is scientifically known that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat even MORE sugar or carbs. So, I have to ask, what do you eat for breakfast? If it has sugar then that could be your problem. Try eating more complex carbs with a good amount of protein (oatmeal and eggs, scrambled eggs, omelets, low carb milk and high protein cereal, etc.)
Sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar? This is 'scientifically known?' Please provide us your sources for this claim.
Also sounds like the OP already eats a good, healthy breakfast.
Sugar is not the devil.
Sugar is the devil. We don't need sugar and it's been known to be just as addictive as cocaine: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/08/23/is-sugar-more-addictive-than-cocaine.aspx, also: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2013/10/16/research-shows-cocaine-and-heroin-are-less-addictive-than-oreos/#2275a5184b7b.
As for the claim that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar; https://authoritynutrition.com/how-sugar-makes-you-addicted/.
I can provide more citations if needed.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but "Dr." Mercola is a complete quack. You stated that sugar being evil is "scientifically known." Neither of those two 'sources' have anything to do with legitimate peer-reviewed science.
So first off, I didn't claim the fact that "sugar is the devil" as scientifically know. I claimed that it's scientifically known that eating sugar or simple carbs promotes the urge to eat more sugar or carbs.
Secondly, did you even look at the links? This is the original study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1931610/. Click on that, read it. Then come back and tell me I don't have scientific backing.
Ah, yes, "The Rat Study." It's been submitted on this site as sugar-is-the-devil 'evidence' many times. Bottom line? Rats aren't people. And saying that a study done on rats automatically makes it similarly applicable to humans is a huge stretch.2 -
"That study was in rats choosing between saccharin and cocaine. The rats chose saccharine. The authors also mention that in a monkey study, monkeys chose cocaine over sugar. Neither study includes human testing."
Yes. Studies generally progress from less complex life forms to humans (if they get approved). Monkey's not choosing the sugars over the cocaine is significant, as is the rats choosing the sugars over the cocaine.
"But the studies were done with rats."
Yes it was. "Another reason rodents are used as models in medical testing is that their genetic, biological and behavior characteristics closely resemble those of humans, and many symptoms of human conditions can be replicated in mice and rats. "Rats and mice are mammals that share many processes with humans and are appropriate for use to answer many research questions," said Jenny Haliski, a representative for the National Institutes of Health (NIH) Office of Laboratory Animal Welfare." Quoted from Live Science.1 -
TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »Other than that, it is scientifically known that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat even MORE sugar or carbs. So, I have to ask, what do you eat for breakfast? If it has sugar then that could be your problem. Try eating more complex carbs with a good amount of protein (oatmeal and eggs, scrambled eggs, omelets, low carb milk and high protein cereal, etc.)
Sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar? This is 'scientifically known?' Please provide us your sources for this claim.
Also sounds like the OP already eats a good, healthy breakfast.
Sugar is not the devil.
Sugar is the devil. We don't need sugar and it's been known to be just as addictive as cocaine: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/08/23/is-sugar-more-addictive-than-cocaine.aspx, also: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2013/10/16/research-shows-cocaine-and-heroin-are-less-addictive-than-oreos/#2275a5184b7b.
As for the claim that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar; https://authoritynutrition.com/how-sugar-makes-you-addicted/.
I can provide more citations if needed.
Have you read the original studies that are linked in these articles? If the cocaine link is the one I remember, it was a rat study, where they had the rats addicted to cocaine, gave them a hit and then gave them a choice between sugar and cocaine. Considering they were already tweaking balls on a hit of cocaine, which do you think they would choose?
As for studies on pleasure centres of the brain lighting up, these same areas light up with other pleasurable sensations such as petting puppies, and kissing. I have seen a lot of people going through withdrawal, none of them were for sugar withdrawal.
And a counterpoint to Lustig:
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/
I'm going to assume you brought sugar into this conversation because you are excited about something you've been reading recently, but it doesn't seem that the OP has any problems or concerns in this area.I've only been tracking calories for a few days now, but I'm seeing a pattern. I often eat a small breakfast (in a rush, getting kids out of the house), a larger lunch, a little snack in the afternoon, and then a LARGE dinner. I'm sticking to the calorie amounts, but does it matter when you eat the calories? I do make sure to eat breakfast every day, and there's always protein in my breakfast (this morning it was a two egg omelet with a small amount of cheese), but I get really hungry for dinner and it's hard for me to sit at the table with the family and not eat anything (my fam all eats a LOT -- but they don't have my metabolism). Dinner's also the meal of the day I like the best, and it's not as healthy because it's not just for me.
But if the calories add up, does it not matter? I don't usually eat after dinner either...
If the calories add up, you don't need to worry about it. If you find that you are hungry, it is worth paying attention to the types of foods you are eating. Vegetables are a great way to bulk up a meal for relatively few calories, and some people find protein and fats more filling for a longer period of time. You don't have to eat significantly different from your family, but to make it easier, you may need to tweak it a little bit.2 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »Other than that, it is scientifically known that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat even MORE sugar or carbs. So, I have to ask, what do you eat for breakfast? If it has sugar then that could be your problem. Try eating more complex carbs with a good amount of protein (oatmeal and eggs, scrambled eggs, omelets, low carb milk and high protein cereal, etc.)
Sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar? This is 'scientifically known?' Please provide us your sources for this claim.
Also sounds like the OP already eats a good, healthy breakfast.
Sugar is not the devil.
Sugar is the devil. We don't need sugar and it's been known to be just as addictive as cocaine: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/08/23/is-sugar-more-addictive-than-cocaine.aspx, also: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2013/10/16/research-shows-cocaine-and-heroin-are-less-addictive-than-oreos/#2275a5184b7b.
As for the claim that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar; https://authoritynutrition.com/how-sugar-makes-you-addicted/.
I can provide more citations if needed.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but "Dr." Mercola is a complete quack. You stated that sugar being evil is "scientifically known." Neither of those two 'sources' have anything to do with legitimate peer-reviewed science.
So first off, I didn't claim the fact that "sugar is the devil" as scientifically know. I claimed that it's scientifically known that eating sugar or simple carbs promotes the urge to eat more sugar or carbs.
Secondly, did you even look at the links? This is the original study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1931610/. Click on that, read it. Then come back and tell me I don't have scientific backing.
Ah, yes, "The Rat Study." It's been submitted on this site as sugar-is-the-devil 'evidence' many times. Bottom line? Rats aren't people. And saying that a study done on rats automatically makes it similarly applicable to humans is a huge stretch.
So using modern science is a bad idea? Tell me why avoiding sugar like it's the devil is a bad thing. I'm using modern studies to apply to my life to see which gives me the results I want. Avoiding sugar allows you to lose weight. Show me a study that says the opposite.1 -
TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »Other than that, it is scientifically known that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat even MORE sugar or carbs. So, I have to ask, what do you eat for breakfast? If it has sugar then that could be your problem. Try eating more complex carbs with a good amount of protein (oatmeal and eggs, scrambled eggs, omelets, low carb milk and high protein cereal, etc.)
Sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar? This is 'scientifically known?' Please provide us your sources for this claim.
Also sounds like the OP already eats a good, healthy breakfast.
Sugar is not the devil.
Sugar is the devil. We don't need sugar and it's been known to be just as addictive as cocaine: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/08/23/is-sugar-more-addictive-than-cocaine.aspx, also: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2013/10/16/research-shows-cocaine-and-heroin-are-less-addictive-than-oreos/#2275a5184b7b.
As for the claim that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar; https://authoritynutrition.com/how-sugar-makes-you-addicted/.
I can provide more citations if needed.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but "Dr." Mercola is a complete quack. You stated that sugar being evil is "scientifically known." Neither of those two 'sources' have anything to do with legitimate peer-reviewed science.
So first off, I didn't claim the fact that "sugar is the devil" as scientifically know. I claimed that it's scientifically known that eating sugar or simple carbs promotes the urge to eat more sugar or carbs.
Secondly, did you even look at the links? This is the original study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1931610/. Click on that, read it. Then come back and tell me I don't have scientific backing.
Ah, yes, "The Rat Study." It's been submitted on this site as sugar-is-the-devil 'evidence' many times. Bottom line? Rats aren't people. And saying that a study done on rats automatically makes it similarly applicable to humans is a huge stretch.
So using modern science is a bad idea? Tell me why avoiding sugar like it's the devil is a bad thing. I'm using modern studies to apply to my life to see which gives me the results I want. Avoiding sugar allows you to lose weight. Show me a study that says the opposite.
Using irrelevant modern science and trying to apply it where it's not applicable is a bad idea. In your quest to avoid sugar, (which the body needs, btw) does that mean that all fruits and vegetables - which are incredibly healthy foods - are off your table? 1 -
Not avoiding sugar also allows you to lose weight, if you are still within your calorie range.9
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nutmegoreo wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »Other than that, it is scientifically known that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat even MORE sugar or carbs. So, I have to ask, what do you eat for breakfast? If it has sugar then that could be your problem. Try eating more complex carbs with a good amount of protein (oatmeal and eggs, scrambled eggs, omelets, low carb milk and high protein cereal, etc.)
Sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar? This is 'scientifically known?' Please provide us your sources for this claim.
Also sounds like the OP already eats a good, healthy breakfast.
Sugar is not the devil.
Sugar is the devil. We don't need sugar and it's been known to be just as addictive as cocaine: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/08/23/is-sugar-more-addictive-than-cocaine.aspx, also: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2013/10/16/research-shows-cocaine-and-heroin-are-less-addictive-than-oreos/#2275a5184b7b.
As for the claim that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar; https://authoritynutrition.com/how-sugar-makes-you-addicted/.
I can provide more citations if needed.
Have you read the original studies that are linked in these articles? If the cocaine link is the one I remember, it was a rat study, where they had the rats addicted to cocaine, gave them a hit and then gave them a choice between sugar and cocaine. Considering they were already tweaking balls on a hit of cocaine, which do you think they would choose?
As for studies on pleasure centres of the brain lighting up, these same areas light up with other pleasurable sensations such as petting puppies, and kissing. I have seen a lot of people going through withdrawal, none of them were for sugar withdrawal.
And a counterpoint to Lustig:
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/
I'm going to assume you brought sugar into this conversation because you are excited about something you've been reading recently, but it doesn't seem that the OP has any problems or concerns in this area.I've only been tracking calories for a few days now, but I'm seeing a pattern. I often eat a small breakfast (in a rush, getting kids out of the house), a larger lunch, a little snack in the afternoon, and then a LARGE dinner. I'm sticking to the calorie amounts, but does it matter when you eat the calories? I do make sure to eat breakfast every day, and there's always protein in my breakfast (this morning it was a two egg omelet with a small amount of cheese), but I get really hungry for dinner and it's hard for me to sit at the table with the family and not eat anything (my fam all eats a LOT -- but they don't have my metabolism). Dinner's also the meal of the day I like the best, and it's not as healthy because it's not just for me.
But if the calories add up, does it not matter? I don't usually eat after dinner either...
If the calories add up, you don't need to worry about it. If you find that you are hungry, it is worth paying attention to the types of foods you are eating. Vegetables are a great way to bulk up a meal for relatively few calories, and some people find protein and fats more filling for a longer period of time. You don't have to eat significantly different from your family, but to make it easier, you may need to tweak it a little bit.
No, not at all. Sugar can cause addictive qualities. I'm suggesting that avoiding sugar could cause the OP to have urges to eat more in the evening. I'm not on a kick of avoiding sugar, I just know that eating sugar causes your insulin to rise which can cause you to be more hungry. If you keep your insulin levels lower (by not eating sugar), you might be able to control your hunger. That's all I was suggesting1 -
TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »Other than that, it is scientifically known that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat even MORE sugar or carbs. So, I have to ask, what do you eat for breakfast? If it has sugar then that could be your problem. Try eating more complex carbs with a good amount of protein (oatmeal and eggs, scrambled eggs, omelets, low carb milk and high protein cereal, etc.)
Sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar? This is 'scientifically known?' Please provide us your sources for this claim.
Also sounds like the OP already eats a good, healthy breakfast.
Sugar is not the devil.
Sugar is the devil. We don't need sugar and it's been known to be just as addictive as cocaine: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/08/23/is-sugar-more-addictive-than-cocaine.aspx, also: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2013/10/16/research-shows-cocaine-and-heroin-are-less-addictive-than-oreos/#2275a5184b7b.
As for the claim that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar; https://authoritynutrition.com/how-sugar-makes-you-addicted/.
I can provide more citations if needed.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but "Dr." Mercola is a complete quack. You stated that sugar being evil is "scientifically known." Neither of those two 'sources' have anything to do with legitimate peer-reviewed science.
So first off, I didn't claim the fact that "sugar is the devil" as scientifically know. I claimed that it's scientifically known that eating sugar or simple carbs promotes the urge to eat more sugar or carbs.
Secondly, did you even look at the links? This is the original study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1931610/. Click on that, read it. Then come back and tell me I don't have scientific backing.
Ah, yes, "The Rat Study." It's been submitted on this site as sugar-is-the-devil 'evidence' many times. Bottom line? Rats aren't people. And saying that a study done on rats automatically makes it similarly applicable to humans is a huge stretch.
So using modern science is a bad idea? Tell me why avoiding sugar like it's the devil is a bad thing. I'm using modern studies to apply to my life to see which gives me the results I want. Avoiding sugar allows you to lose weight. Show me a study that says the opposite.
I don't avoid sugar. Heck I'm baking brownies right now. I've lost 44lbs. Without avoiding sugar. Of any kind.2 -
geneticsteacher wrote: »Not avoiding sugar also allows you to lose weight, if you are still within your calorie range.
Bingo. 0 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »Not avoiding sugar also allows you to lose weight, if you are still within your calorie range.
Bingo.
I'm not sure if I'm not being clear or just being attacked cause I mentioned sugar.
Yes, you can still lose weight if you eat sugar and stay within your caloric range. I didn't suggest the opposite.
Again, for the third time, I suggested that eating sugar can cause you to be more hungry, thus making you want to eat more.
"I don't avoid sugar. Heck I'm baking brownies right now. I've lost 44lbs. Without avoiding sugar. Of any kind."
Cool. Good for you! I didn't say avoid sugar in order to lose weight. I said avoiding sugar allows you to lose weight. That doesn't mean "avoiding sugar is the only way to lose weight"2 -
So far we've got MercoLOLa and Lustig quoted. If we can just bring in Taubes and Dr. Oz we'll have a regular woo-fest going on!
To skirt some of the derp and answer the OP's question, meal timing is irrelevant. I eat the vast majority of my calories at dinner, always have, and it hasn't interfered one bit with my weight loss. A consistent calorie deficit is all you need to lose weight.
Oh, and sugar isn't the devil.4 -
To the OP:
I realize that nowhere in your initial post do you mention sugar being an issue for you. Apologies to you for my participation in going off topic, but the sugar misinformation brought into this discussion needed to be addressed.
Unless, of course, your big dinner at night consists of a large tub of ice cream, an entire chocolate cake and a box of ding-dongs.
To reiterate: Meal timing is based on personal preference, and provided you don't exceed the amount of calories each day that is needed to attain (or maintain) your weight goals, timing has no effect one way or the other. It's about how many calories you consume in a day and not when you consume them. 6 -
TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »Other than that, it is scientifically known that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat even MORE sugar or carbs. So, I have to ask, what do you eat for breakfast? If it has sugar then that could be your problem. Try eating more complex carbs with a good amount of protein (oatmeal and eggs, scrambled eggs, omelets, low carb milk and high protein cereal, etc.)
Sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar? This is 'scientifically known?' Please provide us your sources for this claim.
Also sounds like the OP already eats a good, healthy breakfast.
Sugar is not the devil.
Sugar is the devil. We don't need sugar and it's been known to be just as addictive as cocaine: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/08/23/is-sugar-more-addictive-than-cocaine.aspx, also: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2013/10/16/research-shows-cocaine-and-heroin-are-less-addictive-than-oreos/#2275a5184b7b.
As for the claim that eating sugar promotes the urge to eat more sugar; https://authoritynutrition.com/how-sugar-makes-you-addicted/.
I can provide more citations if needed.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but "Dr." Mercola is a complete quack. You stated that sugar being evil is "scientifically known." Neither of those two 'sources' have anything to do with legitimate peer-reviewed science.
So first off, I didn't claim the fact that "sugar is the devil" as scientifically know. I claimed that it's scientifically known that eating sugar or simple carbs promotes the urge to eat more sugar or carbs.
Secondly, did you even look at the links? This is the original study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1931610/. Click on that, read it. Then come back and tell me I don't have scientific backing.
Ah, yes, "The Rat Study." It's been submitted on this site as sugar-is-the-devil 'evidence' many times. Bottom line? Rats aren't people. And saying that a study done on rats automatically makes it similarly applicable to humans is a huge stretch.
So using modern science is a bad idea? Tell me why avoiding sugar like it's the devil is a bad thing. I'm using modern studies to apply to my life to see which gives me the results I want. Avoiding sugar allows you to lose weight. Show me a study that says the opposite.
I eat sugary foods everyday and lose weight. I also skip breakfast and lunch and eat a large dinner with dessert. I have done this going on 2 years and lost 50 lbs and am happy and active.
In short, staying in your calories allows you to lose weight, not avoiding sugar.3 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »To the OP:
I realize that nowhere in your initial post do you mention sugar being an issue for you. Apologies to you for my participation in going off topic, but the sugar misinformation brought into this discussion needed to be addressed.
Unless, of course, your big dinner at night consists of a large tub of ice cream, an entire chocolate cake and a box of ding-dongs.
To reiterate: Meal timing is based on personal preference, and provided you don't exceed the amount of calories each day that is needed to attain (or maintain) your weight goals, timing has no effect one way or the other. It's about how many calories you consume in a day and not when you consume them.
And I would add that you do not have to give up any foods to do this.5 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »To the OP:
I realize that nowhere in your initial post do you mention sugar being an issue for you. Apologies to you for my participation in going off topic, but the sugar misinformation brought into this discussion needed to be addressed.
Unless, of course, your big dinner at night consists of a large tub of ice cream, an entire chocolate cake and a box of ding-dongs.
To reiterate: Meal timing is based on personal preference, and provided you don't exceed the amount of calories each day that is needed to attain (or maintain) your weight goals, timing has no effect one way or the other. It's about how many calories you consume in a day and not when you consume them.
I'll leave this discussion cause obviously I'm being attacked... not sure why.
But I do have to say, this is what I said in my initial post before I was guided off topic, with citations.2 -
TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »To the OP:
I realize that nowhere in your initial post do you mention sugar being an issue for you. Apologies to you for my participation in going off topic, but the sugar misinformation brought into this discussion needed to be addressed.
Unless, of course, your big dinner at night consists of a large tub of ice cream, an entire chocolate cake and a box of ding-dongs.
To reiterate: Meal timing is based on personal preference, and provided you don't exceed the amount of calories each day that is needed to attain (or maintain) your weight goals, timing has no effect one way or the other. It's about how many calories you consume in a day and not when you consume them.
I'll leave this discussion cause obviously I'm being attacked... not sure why.
But I do have to say, this is what I said in my initial post before I was guided off topic, with citations.
You're not being personally attacked. The junk science you're relying upon is just being disputed in order to avoid confusing the OP and anybody else who may read the thread. "Disagreeing" does not equal "attacking".8 -
TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »To the OP:
I realize that nowhere in your initial post do you mention sugar being an issue for you. Apologies to you for my participation in going off topic, but the sugar misinformation brought into this discussion needed to be addressed.
Unless, of course, your big dinner at night consists of a large tub of ice cream, an entire chocolate cake and a box of ding-dongs.
To reiterate: Meal timing is based on personal preference, and provided you don't exceed the amount of calories each day that is needed to attain (or maintain) your weight goals, timing has no effect one way or the other. It's about how many calories you consume in a day and not when you consume them.
I'll leave this discussion cause obviously I'm being attacked... not sure why.
But I do have to say, this is what I said in my initial post before I was guided off topic, with citations.
You're not being personally attacked. The junk science you're relying upon is just being disputed in order to avoid confusing the OP and anybody else who may read the thread. "Disagreeing" does not equal "attacking".
How is it junk science? I provided citations to a legitimate, peer reviewed article. How is this junk science?2
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