Plant based nutrition and weight loss
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PennWalker wrote: »stylistchicky wrote: »stylistchicky wrote: »stylistchicky wrote: »Okay....well I am out. I should have known better to say anything even in a PLANT BASED NUTRITION FEED about milk. Fine...drink your milk. I dont care. I was addressing a plant based human. AGAIN the hormones in milk make MY hormone fed "disease" worse in pain, swelling and tumor growth. As others stated anyone can find anything to support either side. We learned how to do this in debate class in high school.
I transitioned a year ago....so did my then husband. We BOTH noticed significant changes.. he is a bodybuilder and leaned out...big time. My mom gave up dairy and lost weight and her tummy pooch. My CANCER doctors at the Mayo Clinic advise not to eat dairy. They are the best in the country...and have thousands of patients that turned away from dairy and only found benefits. These are our experiences with a non dairy lifestyle.
By all means if you are offended by people having health benefits from giving up dairy....take a milk bath, while drinking a milkshake and eating a pizza with extra cheese, followed by a milk enema so you can have dairy coming out of your pores. I don't care. Do it and be blessed by it. Get dairy swole!
Ever hear of the "appeal to authority" fallacy? This is a really clear example.
I never claimed to be the authority on the subject. Where is the proof of such claim?
"An Appeal to Authority is a fallacy with the following form: Person A is (claimed to be) an authority on subject S. Person A makes claim C about subject S. Therefore, C is true."
By saying that your doctor (and trying to make your doctor seem like an expert so they must be right) you are attempting to appeal to authority.
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I know what the term means. I tend to trust my doctors at the Mayo Clinic as a reputable source...considering he is a expert on the affects of unnecessary hormones in the body. I am coming from my experience, my ex husband, thousands of other patience of the Mayo Clinic, friends and family as reference in my life. If you can't handle that...then I don't know what to tell you. There is definitely an addiction to dairy in the American Standard diet that is unexplainable really. The only way you can know, is if you try it yourself. I suggest it...but I am literally a nobody on a message board who has had major health benefits from abstaining from dairy.
Like I said....drink milk straight from the cows tit for all I care. I was speaking directly too a fellow plant based diet person. I am going to enjoy a plant based dinner with family and friends now. Have a great evening and many blessings on your journey to become more healthy and fit...however you feel is best for your body.
For what it's worth, my late husband's oncologists (cancer doctors) told him his lifelong, heavy dairy use may have contributed to his prostate cancer -- and they also told him to stop all dairy.
I am so sorry for your loss dear.0 -
stylistchicky wrote: »I am mostly plant based...NO DAIRY. Did you know humans should not consume dairy products? That aside milk has more hormonal side effects than soy IMO. I have a disorder that is forever progressive, especially with extra estrogen present in my system. Giving up dairy products has almost completely helped that situation. Less pain and tumor growth has shrunk and less swelling in said tumors. I eat Silk soy yogurt 2 or 3 times a week and it doesn't bother me...cashew milk for shakes. There is nut milk yogurt that I will switch to if the soy becomes a problem. Have you tried Almond yogurt?
Try researching dairy and hormones. Did you know humans are the only species to drink milk once weaned from mom.
The Silk Yogurt is NON GMO certified, (some flavors may not be though) which is more strict than USDA Organic.
BTW to the person that said "soy is ok...no research shows soy to be a problem."
98% of Soy in the US is GMO. Soy indeed does produce estrogen in the body and men should stay away from it. My doctors at the Mayo Clinic informed me of this. Although as stated above I am starting to believe dairy is worse....its loaded with hormones.
If i had to choose between avoiding soy or dairy, i would choose soy! It all depends on who or what you choose to believe..
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The milk debate:
The problem is that there is little evidence of humans indeed generally not being lactose tolerant. Results are silenced by the government and hidden deep within the archives.
The whole milk industry is funded by the government and hard scientific evidence highlighting its negative impact would be disastrous for the industry.
If you think about it, it only makes sense for the government to spread information that benefits its income, rather than allow threat-posing information to be spread.
Everyone knows consumer behaviour (much like international politics) is manipulated in multiple ways (advertising is one of them) - or need I link you to a government-funded research on that too? (There is none)
Thus, online you will not find (m)any good sources.
As lazy as people are - telling others to prove their point and expecting to access information with the click of a button - this will need a trip to the library.
I advise you to read books such as this one https://www.amazon.com/Devil-Milk-Illness-Health-Politics/dp/1603581022
(Devil in the Milk by Keith Woodford - Professor of Farm Management and Agribusiness at Lincoln University in New Zealand)1 -
... "The ability to digest
lactose during the period of breast-feeding is essential to the health of the infant as demonstrated by
congenital lactase deficiency that is fatal if not recognized very early after birth. However, following the
first few months of life, lactase activity starts to decrease (lactase non-persistence). In most humans, this
activity declines following weaning to undetectable levels as a consequence of the normal maturational
down-regulation of lactase expression [1]. The exceptions to this rule are the descendants of populations
that traditionally practice cattle domestication maintain the ability to digest milk and other dairy products
into adulthood. The frequency of this “lactase persistence trait” is high in northern European populations
(>90% in Scandinavia and Holland), decreases in frequency across southern Europe and the Middle East
(~50% in Spain, Italy and pastoralist Arab populations) and is low in Asia and most of Africa (~1% in
Chinese, ~5%–20% in West African agriculturalists); although it is common in pastoralist populations
from Africa (~90% in Tutsi, ~50% in Fulani)." ...
Source: Swallow, D.M. Genetics of lactase persistence and lactose intolerance. Ann. Rev. Genet. 2003, 37,
197–219.
Referred to in Lactose Intolerance in Adults: Biological Mechanism and
Dietary Management
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If the government is trying to cover up the ill effects of dairy in order to make money off of us, then what about countries with socialized medicine? Wouldn't those countries lose money if dairy were making people sick, and they would try to dissuade their citizens from ingesting it?
Or are they in on the conspiracy as well?4 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »If the government is trying to cover up the ill effects of dairy in order to make money off of us, then what about countries with socialized medicine? Wouldn't those countries lose money if dairy were making people sick, and they would try to dissuade their citizens from ingesting it?
Or are they in on the conspiracy as well?
IIRC, the Canadian Dairy Commission which regulates the price of dairy is run by the government.
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I'm not really sure how the US gov't is making money from dairy, but beats taxes, I guess.
Also, I knew it was Obama's fault. It's always Obama.4 -
When I googled for "plant foods high in protein" it gave me this:
Quinoa. Protein: 8 grams per 1 cup serving, cooked. ...
Buckwheat. Protein: 6 grams per 1 cup serving, cooked. ...
Soy. Protein: 10 grams per ½ cup serving (firm tofu), 15 grams per ½ cup serving (tempeh), 15 grams per ½ cup serving (natto) ...
Mycoprotein (Quorn) ...
Rice and Beans. ...
Ezekiel Bread. ...
Seitan. ...
Hummus and Pita.
More items...
Complete Proteins Vegetarians Need to Know About | Greatist
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lemurcat12 wrote: »I'm not really sure how the US gov't is making money from dairy, but beats taxes, I guess.
Also, I knew it was Obama's fault. It's always Obama.
If dairy truly does make us sick, I would think the government would want us to have *less* of it because health care expenses are a huge part of our budget. Unless they somehow make money by spending it (this is probably phase II of the conspiracy theory).
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janejellyroll wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I'm not really sure how the US gov't is making money from dairy, but beats taxes, I guess.
Also, I knew it was Obama's fault. It's always Obama.
If dairy truly does make us sick, I would think the government would want us to have *less* of it because health care expenses are a huge part of our budget. Unless they somehow make money by spending it (this is probably phase II of the conspiracy theory).
Either way, you know Obama is behind it all.
Well, if you Google Image search "politicians drinking milk," there are none, so that must mean something is up:
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=930&q=politicians+drinking+milk&oq=politicians+drinking+milk&gs_l=img.3...2208.6244.0.6489.25.19.0.6.3.0.132.2117.3j16.19.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.21.2032...0j0i30k1j0i5i30k1j0i8i30k1j0i24k1.auCzJCbLP9k
But here is a picture of Joe Biden eating ice cream:
Obvious PR photo to get people to consume more dairy, though. He's rolling in all the cash that was made off of this one photo, I bet.
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I'm not really sure how the US gov't is making money from dairy, but beats taxes, I guess.
Also, I knew it was Obama's fault. It's always Obama.
If dairy truly does make us sick, I would think the government would want us to have *less* of it because health care expenses are a huge part of our budget. Unless they somehow make money by spending it (this is probably phase II of the conspiracy theory).
Either way, you know Obama is behind it all.
Well, if you Google Image search "politicians drinking milk," there are none, so that must mean something is up:
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=930&q=politicians+drinking+milk&oq=politicians+drinking+milk&gs_l=img.3...2208.6244.0.6489.25.19.0.6.3.0.132.2117.3j16.19.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.21.2032...0j0i30k1j0i5i30k1j0i8i30k1j0i24k1.auCzJCbLP9k
But here is a picture of Joe Biden eating ice cream:
Obvious PR photo to get people to consume more dairy, though. He's rolling in all the cash that was made off of this one photo, I bet.
That's the closest image to actual coitus that I have ever seen posted on here, IMHE.3 -
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Even handsome and distinguished men struggle to look dignified when eating an ice cream cone. Another dairy conspiracy to discredit the government?4
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BUWAHAHAHAHA politicians eating dairy products, well, there you have it! Dairy iz teh debbil!
.... Obama's face looks so freaking intense ....
Look, if you're so worried, get organic, grass fed, no hormone, no antibiotic blah blah blah type dairy products. I buy them even though I know I'm spending more. I think it tastes better. Or get Lactaid if you're lactose intolerant. Badabing, problem solved. I eat the h-e-double hockeysticks out of dairy and I have excellent bone density and no gut problems and no cancer lol and I'm actually really dadgum attractive for age 48. :P
If u don't like dairy then by all means skip it, but no one is convincing me that milk is "bacteria and pus" or "bad for me" or a government plot or any of that stuff.4 -
BUWAHAHAHAHA politicians eating dairy products, well, there you have it! Dairy iz teh debbil!
.... Obama's face looks so freaking intense ....
Look, if you're so worried, get organic, grass fed, no hormone, no antibiotic blah blah blah type dairy products. I buy them even though I know I'm spending more. I think it tastes better. Or get Lactaid if you're lactose intolerant. Badabing, problem solved. I eat the h-e-double hockeysticks out of dairy and I have excellent bone density and no gut problems and no cancer lol and I'm actually really dadgum attractive for age 48. :P
If u don't like dairy then by all means skip it, but no one is convincing me that milk is "bacteria and pus" or "bad for me" or a government plot or any of that stuff.
You are on a plant based topic so......People who follow a plant based diet typically do not consume any animal products for a variety of reasons, health, religion, ethical, personal choice. Feel free to pull up to a utter and drink till the cow is dry. Enjoy!!0 -
stylistchicky wrote: »BUWAHAHAHAHA politicians eating dairy products, well, there you have it! Dairy iz teh debbil!
.... Obama's face looks so freaking intense ....
Look, if you're so worried, get organic, grass fed, no hormone, no antibiotic blah blah blah type dairy products. I buy them even though I know I'm spending more. I think it tastes better. Or get Lactaid if you're lactose intolerant. Badabing, problem solved. I eat the h-e-double hockeysticks out of dairy and I have excellent bone density and no gut problems and no cancer lol and I'm actually really dadgum attractive for age 48. :P
If u don't like dairy then by all means skip it, but no one is convincing me that milk is "bacteria and pus" or "bad for me" or a government plot or any of that stuff.
You are on a plant based topic so......People who follow a plant based diet typically do not consume any animal products for a variety of reasons, health, religion, ethical, personal choice. Feel free to pull up to a utter and drink till the cow is dry. Enjoy!!
It's an internet forum. Anyone can read and comment on it.1 -
stylistchicky wrote: »BUWAHAHAHAHA politicians eating dairy products, well, there you have it! Dairy iz teh debbil!
.... Obama's face looks so freaking intense ....
Look, if you're so worried, get organic, grass fed, no hormone, no antibiotic blah blah blah type dairy products. I buy them even though I know I'm spending more. I think it tastes better. Or get Lactaid if you're lactose intolerant. Badabing, problem solved. I eat the h-e-double hockeysticks out of dairy and I have excellent bone density and no gut problems and no cancer lol and I'm actually really dadgum attractive for age 48. :P
If u don't like dairy then by all means skip it, but no one is convincing me that milk is "bacteria and pus" or "bad for me" or a government plot or any of that stuff.
You are on a plant based topic so......People who follow a plant based diet typically do not consume any animal products for a variety of reasons, health, religion, ethical, personal choice. Feel free to pull up to a utter and drink till the cow is dry. Enjoy!!
Plant based dieters are not always vegan. That's a fallacy. Yes, you used the word "typically", but you're conflating veganism with plant based.4 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »stylistchicky wrote: »BUWAHAHAHAHA politicians eating dairy products, well, there you have it! Dairy iz teh debbil!
.... Obama's face looks so freaking intense ....
Look, if you're so worried, get organic, grass fed, no hormone, no antibiotic blah blah blah type dairy products. I buy them even though I know I'm spending more. I think it tastes better. Or get Lactaid if you're lactose intolerant. Badabing, problem solved. I eat the h-e-double hockeysticks out of dairy and I have excellent bone density and no gut problems and no cancer lol and I'm actually really dadgum attractive for age 48. :P
If u don't like dairy then by all means skip it, but no one is convincing me that milk is "bacteria and pus" or "bad for me" or a government plot or any of that stuff.
You are on a plant based topic so......People who follow a plant based diet typically do not consume any animal products for a variety of reasons, health, religion, ethical, personal choice. Feel free to pull up to a utter and drink till the cow is dry. Enjoy!!
Plant based dieters are not always vegan. That's a fallacy. Yes, you used the word "typically", but you're conflating veganism with plant based.
Definition of plant-based diet is a diet of any animal (including humans) based on foods derived from plants, including vegetables, whole grains, legumes and fruits, but with few or no animal products.
I NEVER said plant based is vegan. I know the difference. Believe me I know the difference. I hardly tell people I am plant based and especially would never tell anyone IF I was a vegan.
Show me proof where I said plant based are vegan. I said plant based are that way for a variety of reasons....which is true.0 -
stylistchicky wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »stylistchicky wrote: »BUWAHAHAHAHA politicians eating dairy products, well, there you have it! Dairy iz teh debbil!
.... Obama's face looks so freaking intense ....
Look, if you're so worried, get organic, grass fed, no hormone, no antibiotic blah blah blah type dairy products. I buy them even though I know I'm spending more. I think it tastes better. Or get Lactaid if you're lactose intolerant. Badabing, problem solved. I eat the h-e-double hockeysticks out of dairy and I have excellent bone density and no gut problems and no cancer lol and I'm actually really dadgum attractive for age 48. :P
If u don't like dairy then by all means skip it, but no one is convincing me that milk is "bacteria and pus" or "bad for me" or a government plot or any of that stuff.
You are on a plant based topic so......People who follow a plant based diet typically do not consume any animal products for a variety of reasons, health, religion, ethical, personal choice. Feel free to pull up to a utter and drink till the cow is dry. Enjoy!!
Plant based dieters are not always vegan. That's a fallacy. Yes, you used the word "typically", but you're conflating veganism with plant based.
Definition of plant-based diet is a diet of any animal (including humans) based on foods derived from plants, including vegetables, whole grains, legumes and fruits, but with few or no animal products.
I NEVER said plant based is vegan. I know the difference. Show me proof where I said plant based are vegan.
Wikipedia. Yes. You stated that "People who follow a plant based diet typically do not consume any animal products". Thus, my comment. I said you were conflating veganism with plant based.
ps: the same wiki page refers to pescatarians, semi vegetarians etc. I'd assume that could be inclusive of folks who ingest dairy.
pps: I've never had my dairy straight from an udder. How is it?1 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »stylistchicky wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »stylistchicky wrote: »BUWAHAHAHAHA politicians eating dairy products, well, there you have it! Dairy iz teh debbil!
.... Obama's face looks so freaking intense ....
Look, if you're so worried, get organic, grass fed, no hormone, no antibiotic blah blah blah type dairy products. I buy them even though I know I'm spending more. I think it tastes better. Or get Lactaid if you're lactose intolerant. Badabing, problem solved. I eat the h-e-double hockeysticks out of dairy and I have excellent bone density and no gut problems and no cancer lol and I'm actually really dadgum attractive for age 48. :P
If u don't like dairy then by all means skip it, but no one is convincing me that milk is "bacteria and pus" or "bad for me" or a government plot or any of that stuff.
You are on a plant based topic so......People who follow a plant based diet typically do not consume any animal products for a variety of reasons, health, religion, ethical, personal choice. Feel free to pull up to a utter and drink till the cow is dry. Enjoy!!
Plant based dieters are not always vegan. That's a fallacy. Yes, you used the word "typically", but you're conflating veganism with plant based.
Definition of plant-based diet is a diet of any animal (including humans) based on foods derived from plants, including vegetables, whole grains, legumes and fruits, but with few or no animal products.
I NEVER said plant based is vegan. I know the difference. Show me proof where I said plant based are vegan.
Wikipedia. Yes. You stated that "People who follow a plant based diet typically do not consume any animal products". Thus, my comment. I said you were conflating veganism with plant based.
ps: the same wiki page refers to pescatarians, semi vegetarians etc. I'd assume that could be inclusive of folks who ingest dairy.
pps: I've never had my dairy straight from an udder. How is it?
How? Plant based IS not veganism. Vegans do it for ethical reasons. Plant based do it for a variety of reasons plus may still wear leather, fur, use products that contain animal products. Non of which Vegans do. Show me proof of how I am "conflating" the 20 -
stylistchicky wrote: »BUWAHAHAHAHA politicians eating dairy products, well, there you have it! Dairy iz teh debbil!
.... Obama's face looks so freaking intense ....
Look, if you're so worried, get organic, grass fed, no hormone, no antibiotic blah blah blah type dairy products. I buy them even though I know I'm spending more. I think it tastes better. Or get Lactaid if you're lactose intolerant. Badabing, problem solved. I eat the h-e-double hockeysticks out of dairy and I have excellent bone density and no gut problems and no cancer lol and I'm actually really dadgum attractive for age 48. :P
If u don't like dairy then by all means skip it, but no one is convincing me that milk is "bacteria and pus" or "bad for me" or a government plot or any of that stuff.
You are on a plant based topic so......People who follow a plant based diet typically do not consume any animal products for a variety of reasons, health, religion, ethical, personal choice. Feel free to pull up to a utter and drink till the cow is dry. Enjoy!!
The anti-dairy stuff is what's off topic on the thread. To refresh memories of the OP:
"I am trying to lose weight, while cleaning up my diet to be pretty much plant-based. This has not been an overnight process, but the result of modifications over a few years.
Now, I have cut back to 1200 calories, in an effort to reduce my weight. The big dilemma I am facing is protein intake. Even with a vegan protein shake per day as supplementation, I am consistently running short of protein. My goal is set to 80 grams. Even with the addition of legumes (do I really have to eat them every day?), or non-fat plain Greek yogurt (I know....), I can't manage. I don't eat soy, as I am over 50, and don't want to mess with my hormones. It is beginning to hamper my exercise tolerance, as I feel a bit weak."
She's asking for suggestions for plant-based protein options, not to be told that she should not consume dairy, which is what your initial post and argument since has been about.7 -
Shelemurcat12 wrote: »stylistchicky wrote: »BUWAHAHAHAHA politicians eating dairy products, well, there you have it! Dairy iz teh debbil!
.... Obama's face looks so freaking intense ....
Look, if you're so worried, get organic, grass fed, no hormone, no antibiotic blah blah blah type dairy products. I buy them even though I know I'm spending more. I think it tastes better. Or get Lactaid if you're lactose intolerant. Badabing, problem solved. I eat the h-e-double hockeysticks out of dairy and I have excellent bone density and no gut problems and no cancer lol and I'm actually really dadgum attractive for age 48. :P
If u don't like dairy then by all means skip it, but no one is convincing me that milk is "bacteria and pus" or "bad for me" or a government plot or any of that stuff.
You are on a plant based topic so......People who follow a plant based diet typically do not consume any animal products for a variety of reasons, health, religion, ethical, personal choice. Feel free to pull up to a utter and drink till the cow is dry. Enjoy!!
The anti-dairy stuff is what's off topic on the thread. To refresh memories of the OP:
"I am trying to lose weight, while cleaning up my diet to be pretty much plant-based. This has not been an overnight process, but the result of modifications over a few years.
Now, I have cut back to 1200 calories, in an effort to reduce my weight. The big dilemma I am facing is protein intake. Even with a vegan protein shake per day as supplementation, I am consistently running short of protein. My goal is set to 80 grams. Even with the addition of legumes (do I really have to eat them every day?), or non-fat plain Greek yogurt (I know....), I can't manage. I don't eat soy, as I am over 50, and don't want to mess with my hormones. It is beginning to hamper my exercise tolerance, as I feel a bit weak."
She's asking for suggestions for plant-based protein options, not to be told that she should not consume dairy, which is what your initial post and argument since has been about.
See...plant based doesnt consume dairy.
BUT Vegetarians do. She even said (I know) meaning it was bad. Reading comprehension helps in situations like these.0 -
I started a thread a while back to talk about the differences between plant based diets, veganism and other terms. it never really took off because I think most understand it... but if you'd like to have that discussion, I think it would be a great place. I think OP's gotten derailed quite a bit, so it might be nice if we could bring it back on topic to help her out.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10413775/difference-between-plant-based-diets-and-veganism#latest7 -
BecomingBane wrote: »I started a thread a while back to talk about the differences between plant based diets, veganism and other terms. it never really took off because I think most understand it... but if you'd like to have that discussion, I think it would be a great place. I think OP's gotten derailed quite a bit, so it might be nice if we could bring it back on topic to help her out.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10413775/difference-between-plant-based-diets-and-veganism#latest
Its pointless all around at this point. They need to get online and research for themselves. Nobody can tell these people anything.0 -
stylistchicky wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »I started a thread a while back to talk about the differences between plant based diets, veganism and other terms. it never really took off because I think most understand it... but if you'd like to have that discussion, I think it would be a great place. I think OP's gotten derailed quite a bit, so it might be nice if we could bring it back on topic to help her out.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10413775/difference-between-plant-based-diets-and-veganism#latest
Its pointless all around at this point. They need to get online and research for themselves. Nobody can tell these people anything.
But you should at least try!1 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »stylistchicky wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »stylistchicky wrote: »BUWAHAHAHAHA politicians eating dairy products, well, there you have it! Dairy iz teh debbil!
.... Obama's face looks so freaking intense ....
Look, if you're so worried, get organic, grass fed, no hormone, no antibiotic blah blah blah type dairy products. I buy them even though I know I'm spending more. I think it tastes better. Or get Lactaid if you're lactose intolerant. Badabing, problem solved. I eat the h-e-double hockeysticks out of dairy and I have excellent bone density and no gut problems and no cancer lol and I'm actually really dadgum attractive for age 48. :P
If u don't like dairy then by all means skip it, but no one is convincing me that milk is "bacteria and pus" or "bad for me" or a government plot or any of that stuff.
You are on a plant based topic so......People who follow a plant based diet typically do not consume any animal products for a variety of reasons, health, religion, ethical, personal choice. Feel free to pull up to a utter and drink till the cow is dry. Enjoy!!
It's an internet forum. Anyone can read and comment on it.
Right, but if you are so offended by peoples eating habits for whatever reason they choose that way...why come into feed about a wsy of eating you are offened by snowflake? I know why. Looking for a fight, your nightly entertainment.
And with these insults, I'm done chatting with you. Cheers.
OP: if you're still around, having your thread go awry, good, luck, and get in touch if you'd like to talk about "the change"!
I already apologized to her for mentioning milk...because I had no idea the dairy industry's biggest fans would be showing up to take over the forum defending milk to a plant based discussion. Bye have a awesome day.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »stylistchicky wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »I started a thread a while back to talk about the differences between plant based diets, veganism and other terms. it never really took off because I think most understand it... but if you'd like to have that discussion, I think it would be a great place. I think OP's gotten derailed quite a bit, so it might be nice if we could bring it back on topic to help her out.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10413775/difference-between-plant-based-diets-and-veganism#latest
Its pointless all around at this point. They need to get online and research for themselves. Nobody can tell these people anything.
But you should at least try!
I have been and at this point its hilarious. You know when you talk about healthy food choices to someone who's health is failing because they are obese.....they get very defensive and will defend their food choices and lifestyle to the point of exhaustion. That's how this forum has been.0 -
stylistchicky wrote: »Shelemurcat12 wrote: »stylistchicky wrote: »BUWAHAHAHAHA politicians eating dairy products, well, there you have it! Dairy iz teh debbil!
.... Obama's face looks so freaking intense ....
Look, if you're so worried, get organic, grass fed, no hormone, no antibiotic blah blah blah type dairy products. I buy them even though I know I'm spending more. I think it tastes better. Or get Lactaid if you're lactose intolerant. Badabing, problem solved. I eat the h-e-double hockeysticks out of dairy and I have excellent bone density and no gut problems and no cancer lol and I'm actually really dadgum attractive for age 48. :P
If u don't like dairy then by all means skip it, but no one is convincing me that milk is "bacteria and pus" or "bad for me" or a government plot or any of that stuff.
You are on a plant based topic so......People who follow a plant based diet typically do not consume any animal products for a variety of reasons, health, religion, ethical, personal choice. Feel free to pull up to a utter and drink till the cow is dry. Enjoy!!
The anti-dairy stuff is what's off topic on the thread. To refresh memories of the OP:
"I am trying to lose weight, while cleaning up my diet to be pretty much plant-based. This has not been an overnight process, but the result of modifications over a few years.
Now, I have cut back to 1200 calories, in an effort to reduce my weight. The big dilemma I am facing is protein intake. Even with a vegan protein shake per day as supplementation, I am consistently running short of protein. My goal is set to 80 grams. Even with the addition of legumes (do I really have to eat them every day?), or non-fat plain Greek yogurt (I know....), I can't manage. I don't eat soy, as I am over 50, and don't want to mess with my hormones. It is beginning to hamper my exercise tolerance, as I feel a bit weak."
She's asking for suggestions for plant-based protein options, not to be told that she should not consume dairy, which is what your initial post and argument since has been about.
See...plant based doesnt consume dairy.
Plant-based doesn't actually have a clear and consistent meaning. Many use it to mean "whole food based, no animal products" or "no animal products, maybe vegan, maybe not, does not require ethical commitment," but plenty of others use it in other ways, as Sabine pointed out.
BecomingBane's thread (which I liked) is a great place to talk about this.
Point remains that what was off-topic was the post insisting that people (including OP) should avoid dairy.
Help on meeting her goals with plant sources would be nice, though. I tried, but it's something I would struggle with without soy, especially on 1200 (which perhaps is lower than necessary, I don't eat that low myself), so...2 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »stylistchicky wrote: »Shelemurcat12 wrote: »stylistchicky wrote: »BUWAHAHAHAHA politicians eating dairy products, well, there you have it! Dairy iz teh debbil!
.... Obama's face looks so freaking intense ....
Look, if you're so worried, get organic, grass fed, no hormone, no antibiotic blah blah blah type dairy products. I buy them even though I know I'm spending more. I think it tastes better. Or get Lactaid if you're lactose intolerant. Badabing, problem solved. I eat the h-e-double hockeysticks out of dairy and I have excellent bone density and no gut problems and no cancer lol and I'm actually really dadgum attractive for age 48. :P
If u don't like dairy then by all means skip it, but no one is convincing me that milk is "bacteria and pus" or "bad for me" or a government plot or any of that stuff.
You are on a plant based topic so......People who follow a plant based diet typically do not consume any animal products for a variety of reasons, health, religion, ethical, personal choice. Feel free to pull up to a utter and drink till the cow is dry. Enjoy!!
The anti-dairy stuff is what's off topic on the thread. To refresh memories of the OP:
"I am trying to lose weight, while cleaning up my diet to be pretty much plant-based. This has not been an overnight process, but the result of modifications over a few years.
Now, I have cut back to 1200 calories, in an effort to reduce my weight. The big dilemma I am facing is protein intake. Even with a vegan protein shake per day as supplementation, I am consistently running short of protein. My goal is set to 80 grams. Even with the addition of legumes (do I really have to eat them every day?), or non-fat plain Greek yogurt (I know....), I can't manage. I don't eat soy, as I am over 50, and don't want to mess with my hormones. It is beginning to hamper my exercise tolerance, as I feel a bit weak."
She's asking for suggestions for plant-based protein options, not to be told that she should not consume dairy, which is what your initial post and argument since has been about.
See...plant based doesnt consume dairy.
Plant-based doesn't actually have a clear and consistent meaning. Many use it to mean "whole food based, no animal products" or "no animal products, maybe vegan, maybe not, does not require ethical commitment," but plenty of others use it in other ways.
BecomingBane's thread (which I liked) is a great place to talk about this.
Point remains that what was off-topic was the post insisting that people (including OP) should avoid dairy.
Help on meeting her goals with plant sources would be nice, though. I tried, but it's something I would struggle with without soy, especially on 1200 (which perhaps is lower than necessary, I don't eat that low myself), so...
Seitan is pretty low calorie for the amount of protein that it has. I've never gone soy-free (I don't have any issues with it), but I think I could easily meet my protein needs without soy in a deficit as long as I had seitan regularly.2
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