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Sleep vs Protein Timing for muscle recovery?
cee134
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Which is more important, sleep or protein timing?
I would guess that sleep is better then protein timing, and as long as you get adequate protein, sleep (between 7 - 10 hours) would be more important.
So should athletes get more sleep and worry less about protein timing?
If you got 0.8 g x body weight in kg would you not need any more protein if you got more then say 8 hours of sleep?
I would guess that sleep is better then protein timing, and as long as you get adequate protein, sleep (between 7 - 10 hours) would be more important.
So should athletes get more sleep and worry less about protein timing?
If you got 0.8 g x body weight in kg would you not need any more protein if you got more then say 8 hours of sleep?
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IMO, sleep...0
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sleep...timing of protein, IMO, is pretty irrelevant...3
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cwolfman13 wrote: »sleep...timing of protein, IMO, is pretty irrelevant...
I think sleep is more important than protein even if you are not getting adequate protein, lol...3 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »sleep...timing of protein, IMO, is pretty irrelevant...
I think sleep is more important than protein even if you are not getting adequate protein, lol...
Agreed.1 -
Nutrient timing is pretty insignificant for the vast majority of people. Most people though, if they are looking to build muscle or try to maintain muscle while losing weight will consume more lol .8-1g of protein per POUND of bodyweight as opposed to kilogram.2
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fatfudgery wrote: »
Not quite. It should be 0.8-1.2g/lb of lean body mass.1 -
fatfudgery wrote: »
I've heard it as 1 g per pound of lean body mass or .8g per pound of body weight (making a generalization of around 20% BF). Or the range @trigden1991 mentioned.
Anyone that thinks it can be determined that you need .82g per pound of anything is living in the land of unicorns because you can't measure that precisely.1 -
Packerjohn wrote: »fatfudgery wrote: »
I've heard it as 1 g per pound of lean body mass or .8g per pound of body weight (making a generalization of around 20% BF). Or the range @trigden1991 mentioned.
Anyone that thinks it can be determined that you need .82g per pound of anything is living in the land of unicorns because you can't measure that precisely.
@Packerjohn If you eat 0.81g/lb you will lose all your muscle. If you eat 0.83g/lb you will get liver failure. 0.82 is the golden number.10 -
Recovery is the thing people screw up more than anything else. There's no supplement, no macro ratio, no meal timing that can counter crappy recovery.0
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CipherZero wrote: »Recovery is the thing people screw up more than anything else. There's no supplement, no macro ratio, no meal timing that can counter crappy recovery.
I agree with you but you are neglecting to consider PED's which many people consider supplements.1 -
trigden1991 wrote: »CipherZero wrote: »Recovery is the thing people screw up more than anything else. There's no supplement, no macro ratio, no meal timing that can counter crappy recovery.
I agree with you but you are neglecting to consider PED's which many people consider supplements.
While PEDs may change what constitutes recovery, they don't remove the need for it.0 -
CipherZero wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »CipherZero wrote: »Recovery is the thing people screw up more than anything else. There's no supplement, no macro ratio, no meal timing that can counter crappy recovery.
I agree with you but you are neglecting to consider PED's which many people consider supplements.
While PEDs may change what constitutes recovery, they don't remove the need for it.
You say that as if people on gear think that they can live in a power rack without getting tired.0 -
Ohh man if sleep is that important when building muscle I'm doomed lol. I'm bulking and definitely getting nowhere near enough sleep (8 month old fussy/teething baby.. yikes)
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Why not consuming protein before sleep? Just a study I googled.
eta: I was never inclined to think that protein timing really ever matter IMHO.. It is posted all over these boards, meal timing is not important or essential, so..
http://easacademy.org/research-news/article/protein-drinks-before-bed-may-aid-in-muscle-recovery
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CipherZero wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »CipherZero wrote: »Recovery is the thing people screw up more than anything else. There's no supplement, no macro ratio, no meal timing that can counter crappy recovery.
I agree with you but you are neglecting to consider PED's which many people consider supplements.
While PEDs may change what constitutes recovery, they don't remove the need for it.
I am by no means insinuating that because someone takes PED's they can lift weights constantly for 24 hours with no regard for rest or sleep. However they do allow the individual to drastically increase frequency, intensity and volume without having to be too concerned about being ready for the next session.0 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »CipherZero wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »CipherZero wrote: »Recovery is the thing people screw up more than anything else. There's no supplement, no macro ratio, no meal timing that can counter crappy recovery.
I agree with you but you are neglecting to consider PED's which many people consider supplements.
While PEDs may change what constitutes recovery, they don't remove the need for it.
You say that as if people on gear think that they can live in a power rack without getting tired.
I'm saying that because people think people on gear can live in a power rack without getting tired.0 -
CipherZero wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »CipherZero wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »CipherZero wrote: »Recovery is the thing people screw up more than anything else. There's no supplement, no macro ratio, no meal timing that can counter crappy recovery.
I agree with you but you are neglecting to consider PED's which many people consider supplements.
While PEDs may change what constitutes recovery, they don't remove the need for it.
You say that as if people on gear think that they can live in a power rack without getting tired.
I'm saying that because people think people on gear can live in a power rack without getting tired.
Point taken. *kitten* it, let em all dbol up, give it a go, damn near kill themselves, and let them realize that the *kitten* isn't magical.0 -
cgreen120288 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »CipherZero wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »CipherZero wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »CipherZero wrote: »Recovery is the thing people screw up more than anything else. There's no supplement, no macro ratio, no meal timing that can counter crappy recovery.
I agree with you but you are neglecting to consider PED's which many people consider supplements.
While PEDs may change what constitutes recovery, they don't remove the need for it.
You say that as if people on gear think that they can live in a power rack without getting tired.
I'm saying that because people think people on gear can live in a power rack without getting tired.
Point taken. *kitten* it, let em all dbol up, give it a go, damn near kill themselves, and let them realize that the *kitten* isn't magical.
Very unlikely to damn near kill themselves if proper precautions are taken when running gear, such as regular bloods, and a solid AI/PCT Protocol
I was referring to his statement that people in general (generally those who know *kitten* all about anabolics or hard training) believe that steroids can turn you into a training cyborg.0 -
Why not consuming protein before sleep? Just a study I googled.
eta: I was never inclined to think that protein timing really ever matter IMHO.. It is posted all over these boards, meal timing is not important or essential, so..
http://easacademy.org/research-news/article/protein-drinks-before-bed-may-aid-in-muscle-recovery
The limitation listed in that study is so spectacularly confounding that I am not sure how they even secured funding.0 -
+1 for sleep..0
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