Best way to lose belly fat ?

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  • Chadxx
    Chadxx Posts: 1,199 Member
    SLLRunner wrote: »
    Chadxx wrote: »
    SLLRunner wrote: »
    Chadxx wrote: »
    "High glycemic index foods, such as sugar and refined starches, cause cortisol levels to rise."

    It doesn't get much plainer than that.

    The second article discusses the effects of cortisol and research is referenced at the bottom of the page. You can find plenty of references that high glycemic foods increase cortisol and that increased cortisol causes increased storage of visceral fat. Believe it or not but I will go by the people with PHD's. If you have proof otherwise, you are welcome to argue with them about it.

    You didn't provide proof.

    I will take peer reviewed studies, which you have not provided to back up your claims.

    If cortisol levels are high enough to cause a fit athlete to carry a belly, then they need medical attention.

    I forgot, you are on the Internet so you obviously know than people with PHD'S and I am not going to read through all their references for you. Where is your peer reviewed research? You are so convinced that I am wrong and want detailed research for proof yet you have shown nothing to back up your claims.

    Also, there are degrees of having a belly and there a huge amount of variation between big flabby gut and tiny washboard stomach.

    Hey now.....that's not very nice. :D

    The onus is on you to provide peer reviewed studies because you made the claim, your example being that cortisol can cause fit athletes to have big bellies. Maybe this can happen to a fit athlete who has a medical condition.

    To the general population, the hope in a calorie deficit is to shrink a growing belly along with the rest of us, and where the weight comes off is up to genetics.

    Just because someone has a big belly does not mean their cortisol levels are going wild, and if that's the case it's time for a visit to the doctor. Ever seen cancer, severe malnutrition, and other diseases?

    I never said it causes a big belly. I believe I used the word gut. Having a bit of a gut and having a big belly not the same.

    Now, I truly mean no offense when I say this, but I don't know you from a hole in the wall. All I see are letters on a screen. If you really want to dig through research papers, check references, and see what is peer reviewed and suits you, go right ahead. It isn't worth my time to do it. I offered advice which matches my own experience and provided evidence to support it. OP, you or anyone is free to take that advice or discard it as they please. It won't affect my waistline one bit either way.
  • Chadxx
    Chadxx Posts: 1,199 Member
    Chadxx wrote: »
    SLLRunner wrote: »
    Chadxx wrote: »
    "High glycemic index foods, such as sugar and refined starches, cause cortisol levels to rise."

    It doesn't get much plainer than that.

    The second article discusses the effects of cortisol and research is referenced at the bottom of the page. You can find plenty of references that high glycemic foods increase cortisol and that increased cortisol causes increased storage of visceral fat. Believe it or not but I will go by the people with PHD's. If you have proof otherwise, you are welcome to argue with them about it.

    You didn't provide proof.

    I will take peer reviewed studies, which you have not provided to back up your claims.

    If cortisol levels are high enough to cause a fit athlete to carry a belly, then they need medical attention.

    I forgot, you are on the Internet so you obviously know than people with PHD'S and I am not going to read through all their references for you. Where is your peer reviewed research? You are so convinced that I am wrong and want detailed research for proof yet you have shown nothing to back up your claims.


    That's not how this works. ;)

    If you make a scientific claim, it's up to you to provide credible evidence supporting your claim or garner the response you did.

    I guess a paper from a university by multiple PHD'S and study references isn't credible. If someone needs more evidence than that, they can dig through research themselves.

    BTW, there is no how it works. This is the Internet where there are a bunch of people behind keyboards and they are all experts in everything. Advice given on the Internet is just that. Take it for what it is worth and with it what you will.
  • Chadxx
    Chadxx Posts: 1,199 Member
    SLLRunner wrote: »
    Chadxx wrote: »
    SLLRunner wrote: »
    Chadxx wrote: »
    SLLRunner wrote: »
    Chadxx wrote: »
    "High glycemic index foods, such as sugar and refined starches, cause cortisol levels to rise."

    It doesn't get much plainer than that.

    The second article discusses the effects of cortisol and research is referenced at the bottom of the page. You can find plenty of references that high glycemic foods increase cortisol and that increased cortisol causes increased storage of visceral fat. Believe it or not but I will go by the people with PHD's. If you have proof otherwise, you are welcome to argue with them about it.

    You didn't provide proof.

    I will take peer reviewed studies, which you have not provided to back up your claims.

    If cortisol levels are high enough to cause a fit athlete to carry a belly, then they need medical attention.

    I forgot, you are on the Internet so you obviously know than people with PHD'S and I am not going to read through all their references for you. Where is your peer reviewed research? You are so convinced that I am wrong and want detailed research for proof yet you have shown nothing to back up your claims.

    Also, there are degrees of having a belly and there a huge amount of variation between big flabby gut and tiny washboard stomach.

    Hey now.....that's not very nice. :D

    The onus is on you to provide peer reviewed studies because you made the claim, your example being that cortisol can cause fit athletes to have big bellies. Maybe this can happen to a fit athlete who has a medical condition.

    To the general population, the hope in a calorie deficit is to shrink a growing belly along with the rest of us, and where the weight comes off is up to genetics.

    Just because someone has a big belly does not mean their cortisol levels are going wild, and if that's the case it's time for a visit to the doctor. Ever seen cancer, severe malnutrition, and other diseases?

    I never said it causes a big belly. I believe I used the word gut. Having a bit of a gut and having a big belly not the same.

    Now, I truly mean no offense when I say this, but I don't know you from a hole in the wall. All I see are letters on a screen. If you really want to dig through research papers, check references, and see what is peer reviewed and suits you, go right ahead. It isn't worth my time to do it. I offered advice which matches my own experience and provided evidence to support it. OP, you or anyone is free to take that advice or discard it as they please. It won't affect my waistline one bit either way.

    Chad,

    Oh for goodness sake. Within the context of this thread of the conversation, it's crystal clear that that belly/gut are being used interchangeably. ;)

    I'm not at all offended. Your "evidence" simply does not support your claims, but those links contain much broscience.

    Obviously we are talking about the same part of the body. That shouldn't even be a question. The point is I never mentioned a big anything. I never said there is a dramatic difference in anything. I said what "can help". Other evidence has also been brought forward supporting that claim. Call it broscience all you want. You can even claim a jelly donut diet and a broccoli and fish diet won't be any different. I will stick to what I have seen work and stop wasting my in what has turned pointless. Good night.
  • GaBullDawg2
    GaBullDawg2 Posts: 2 Member
    A couple of things with this. First, our body has different types of fat cells. Not all belly fat is bad? Subcutaneous fat, whichlies directly under the skin, is not necessarily hazardous to your health. The fat that is harmful is the unseen fat around your organs, otherwise known are visceral abdominal fat. ... Visceral fat is linked to diabetes and heart disease much more than BMI (body mass index.) Risk factors including blood pressure, cholesterol and insulin sensitivity are not improved with loss of subcutaneous fat , even from a liposuction procedure. If you want to get rid of visceral fat and lower your risk for heart disease and diabetes, start with cutting down on your calories and getting more exercise. When people slim down through exercise and diet, visceral fat disappears twice as fast as subcutaneous fat according to Dr. Klein, Professor of Medicine and Nutritional Science at Washington University School of Medicine. So, what it comes down to is simple math. Use more calories than you put into your body. Exercise to help that, but mostly exercise to better your health, strength, flexibility and cardio vascular system. Losing weight is mostly an eating thing, unless you are a very serious athlete, like Michael Phelps, who had a 12,000 calorie diet, but as you can see, worked it off. Best of luck.
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
    edited October 2016
    Chadxx wrote: »
    SLLRunner wrote: »
    Chadxx wrote: »
    SLLRunner wrote: »
    Chadxx wrote: »
    SLLRunner wrote: »
    Chadxx wrote: »
    "High glycemic index foods, such as sugar and refined starches, cause cortisol levels to rise."

    It doesn't get much plainer than that.

    The second article discusses the effects of cortisol and research is referenced at the bottom of the page. You can find plenty of references that high glycemic foods increase cortisol and that increased cortisol causes increased storage of visceral fat. Believe it or not but I will go by the people with PHD's. If you have proof otherwise, you are welcome to argue with them about it.

    You didn't provide proof.

    I will take peer reviewed studies, which you have not provided to back up your claims.

    If cortisol levels are high enough to cause a fit athlete to carry a belly, then they need medical attention.

    I forgot, you are on the Internet so you obviously know than people with PHD'S and I am not going to read through all their references for you. Where is your peer reviewed research? You are so convinced that I am wrong and want detailed research for proof yet you have shown nothing to back up your claims.

    Also, there are degrees of having a belly and there a huge amount of variation between big flabby gut and tiny washboard stomach.

    Hey now.....that's not very nice. :D

    The onus is on you to provide peer reviewed studies because you made the claim, your example being that cortisol can cause fit athletes to have big bellies. Maybe this can happen to a fit athlete who has a medical condition.

    To the general population, the hope in a calorie deficit is to shrink a growing belly along with the rest of us, and where the weight comes off is up to genetics.

    Just because someone has a big belly does not mean their cortisol levels are going wild, and if that's the case it's time for a visit to the doctor. Ever seen cancer, severe malnutrition, and other diseases?

    I never said it causes a big belly. I believe I used the word gut. Having a bit of a gut and having a big belly not the same.

    Now, I truly mean no offense when I say this, but I don't know you from a hole in the wall. All I see are letters on a screen. If you really want to dig through research papers, check references, and see what is peer reviewed and suits you, go right ahead. It isn't worth my time to do it. I offered advice which matches my own experience and provided evidence to support it. OP, you or anyone is free to take that advice or discard it as they please. It won't affect my waistline one bit either way.

    Chad,

    Oh for goodness sake. Within the context of this thread of the conversation, it's crystal clear that that belly/gut are being used interchangeably. ;)

    I'm not at all offended. Your "evidence" simply does not support your claims, but those links contain much broscience.

    Obviously we are talking about the same part of the body. That shouldn't even be a question. The point is I never mentioned a big anything. I never said there is a dramatic difference in anything. I said what "can help". Other evidence has also been brought forward supporting that claim. Call it broscience all you want. You can even claim a jelly donut diet and a broccoli and fish diet won't be any different. I will stick to what I have seen work and stop wasting my in what has turned pointless. Good night.

    You're mincing words. This is what you said:
    The more your blood sugar spikes, the more fat is stored in the abdomen. This why you see athletes in great shape who still have a gut

    Saying someone has a gut is saying it's at least out of proportion to the rest of their body. ;)
  • courtneyfabulous
    courtneyfabulous Posts: 1,863 Member
    Calorie deficit.

    And eat within your proper macronutrients ratios

    Keep up the exercising but you must eat fewer calories than you burn to lose weight

    There's no way to specifically lose belly fat though- except maybe to reduce stress and cut out caffeine & alcohol.
  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    edited October 2016
    Chadxx wrote: »
    "High glycemic index foods, such as sugar and refined starches, cause cortisol levels to rise."

    It doesn't get much plainer than that.

    The second article discusses the effects of cortisol and research is referenced at the bottom of the page. You can find plenty of references that high glycemic foods increase cortisol and that increased cortisol causes increased storage of visceral fat. Believe it or not but I will go by the people with PHD's. If you have proof otherwise, you are welcome to argue with them about it.

    A ton of things cause cortisol levels to rise, including: exercise, work, marriage, kids, traffic, pain, kids, arguments, parents, noise, loud music, kids, your team losing, and did I mention kids? It's not the rise in cortisol levels that is the issue so much as sustained high levels. Belly fat, or more specifically visceral fat, is the quickest fat to lose as well so you might build up a little extra but your body will use that first as it digs into fat for energy after your blood sugar levels drop after a meal.

    There are, in fact, a few with relevant PhD's on this board that would tell you how incorrect you are because I've seen their posts in this related to this topic before.
  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    edited October 2016
    I have recently gained 12 pounds. I have been working out and just stared eating healthy. I've been doing cardio (cycling). Any other great suggestions to lose belly fat? Please help

    Lifting, running, walking, and above all eating less than you expend. There is no spot reduction but visceral fat metabolizes very quickly relative to cutaneous fat, particularly lower body fat, so you should be able to lose more quickly than lower body, back and arm fat.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,432 MFP Moderator
    Chadxx wrote: »
    "High glycemic index foods, such as sugar and refined starches, cause cortisol levels to rise."

    It doesn't get much plainer than that.

    The second article discusses the effects of cortisol and research is referenced at the bottom of the page. You can find plenty of references that high glycemic foods increase cortisol and that increased cortisol causes increased storage of visceral fat. Believe it or not but I will go by the people with PHD's. If you have proof otherwise, you are welcome to argue with them about it.

    You might enjoy the below video. Dr. Layne Norton has competed on multiple levels in fitness and is a reseracher, which is far more valuable than many who have just done research under specific parameters. He as tends to link all the reference studies in the comments so people can get a further understanding. Personally, he is one of the most value resources I have seen in nutrition and fitness. And he also practices what he preaches.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNquMyUCCYI


    OP, a calorie deficit (not overly aggressive) and a good progressive overload lifting routine (for muscle maintenance) will provide some of the best results.
  • hack it off with a butcher knife. If you don't like that idea just exercise, adjust your diet and let the stuff burn. Be aware that the fat burns all over. Not just the belly.
  • richln
    richln Posts: 809 Member
    Chadxx wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    Just lose weight...you can't spot reduce fat...it comes off from wherever in time.

    This is true. You cannot spot reduce fat but leveling your blood sugar does help some. The more your blood sugar spikes, the more fat is stored in the abdomen. This why you see athletes in great shape who still have a gut. It is from binging on carbs. I used to have that issue but, even at the same weight, my stomach is flatter when I eat right.

    In general, you don't see athletes in great shape who have a big gut. You see some athletes (typically men) at normal or slightly high body fat levels that carry a high proportion of their fat at the lower abdomen because of genetics. You see some power lifters at normal body fat levels that have extreme core hypertrophy making them look like they have a beer belly. You also see some pro bodybuilders with distended abdomens because of drug abuse. But if your body fat is low enough, you lose the belly, regardless of how many carbs you eat.

    Water retention can also make a dramatic difference in your appearance. If by "eating right," your diet switched to low-carb and low-sodium, then this can easily lead to over a 5 lbs drop in water weight.
  • crzycatlady1
    crzycatlady1 Posts: 1,930 Member
    I also had this tough problem for many years, and recently I've lost a lot of fat from my belly.
    1.aerobic exercise(runing and rope skipping are my favorites)
    2.anaerobic exercise(I do Insanity)
    3.Last but not least,eating habits,eating habits,eating habits !:# Low sugar,low oil, low salt,and: Fewer portion than before. Now crude fiber food,veggies,low sugar fruits are my main cuisines. No cakes,no biscuits,no chocolates ,no potato chips:#
    4.Adjust the sitting and walking position.

    I have a flat stomach and I eat cake, biscuits, chocolate and definitely potato chips :) What shape someone is plays a pretty big role-I'm pear shaped and store all my cush in my bum/thighs. Even when my BMI was down to 18.9 I had squish in that area. However, my stomach was the first thing to flatten when I started losing weight. My current BMI is 21.8 and my stomach is totally flat (almost too much-it looks misproportioned to my lower half right now).
  • cerise_noir
    cerise_noir Posts: 5,468 Member
    edited October 2016
    Cortisol...

    If it had that much impact, I wouldn't have lost any weight at all.
    1.aerobic exercise(runing and rope skipping are my favorites)
    Aerobic exercise is for cardiovascular health and endurance, not for fat loss. It can increase deficit and TDEE slightly, though, if one is sedentary. A calorie deficit if for fat loss.
    2.anaerobic exercise(I do Insanity)
    Not anaerobic... Mostly aerobic.
    3.Last but not least,eating habits,eating habits,eating habits !:# Low sugar,low oil, low salt,and: Fewer portion than before. Now crude fiber food,veggies,low sugar fruits are my main cuisines. No cakes,no biscuits,no chocolates ,no potato chips:#
    No, no, no. Sugar, fat, salt do NOT contribute to fat gain, excess calories do. By your logic, I would not have lost over 90lbs since I have around 60g of fat a day, sugar and higher sodium. Once again, it's not the type of food that cause fat gain or no loss, too many calories causes fat gain/maintaining.
    4.Adjust the sitting and walking position.
    Improving posture does not equal fat loss, but it does improve the appearance.


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