Losing 4-5 pounds /week?
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People who are considered obese lose a lot of weight rather quickly with a small caloric deficit compared to others who are already in a healthy weight range. She says that she is still obese. The chances of organ failure and all of these other health issues listed in this thread are more likely to happen to her the longer she holds on to the unhealthy weight putting more strain and work on her body. Not the other way around.
She also says that she doesn't purposely want to slow down her weight loss in the future. Not that she would do something drastic or insane to keep it going once she reaches near a healthy weight.
OP is barely obese (195 at 5'7" is a BMI of 30.5). One more weekly loss of 4 lbs will put her in the overweight category. She is going months between doctor's appointments, so is not undergoing the close monitoring that a VLCD requires (and if she's losing 4 to 5 lbs a week, that's a 2000 to 2500 calorie daily deficit -- I don't know how she can be achieving that with 45 minutes of walking unless she's on a VLCD).
The only comments she's been open to are the ones that encourage her in continuing on this massive daily deficit. Doing so isn't really helping her.3 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »People who are considered obese lose a lot of weight rather quickly with a small caloric deficit compared to others who are already in a healthy weight range. She says that she is still obese. The chances of organ failure and all of these other health issues listed in this thread are more likely to happen to her the longer she holds on to the unhealthy weight putting more strain and work on her body. Not the other way around.
She also says that she doesn't purposely want to slow down her weight loss in the future. Not that she would do something drastic or insane to keep it going once she reaches near a healthy weight.
OP is barely obese (195 at 5'7" is a BMI of 30.5). One more weekly loss of 4 lbs will put her in the overweight category. She is going months between doctor's appointments, so is not undergoing the close monitoring that a VLCD requires (and if she's losing 4 to 5 lbs a week, that's a 2000 to 2500 calorie daily deficit -- I don't know how she can be achieving that with 45 minutes of walking unless she's on a VLCD).
The only comments she's been open to are the ones that encourage her in continuing on this massive daily deficit. Doing so isn't really helping her.
2) 1200/day is NOT a VLCD!! It is the number mfp has given me, and probably THOUSANDS of other dieters, to stick to.
3) I have already thanked a lot if the posters for suggestions, like eating the 200-250 exercise calories from my walking. Didn't realize that was such a massive deal but I'm open to it. I didn't consider that a "massive daily deficit". I'm sorry the math doesn't add up for everyone, but that was part of my questioning too. I've reported accurately what I'm doing.
4) just because I don't endorse every single comment here doesn't make me have an eating disorder!! The disordered eating was more happening sedentary on the couch binge eating in front of the tv just a couple months ago.
5) I'll have my dr weigh in on my "chances of organ failure".
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And yes I know I'm "barely" obese, I am totally tracking my BMI. I started at 230 though. I'm also quite far from healthy BMI, which is 159 at the top end, which is my initial goal.0
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NewGemini130 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »People who are considered obese lose a lot of weight rather quickly with a small caloric deficit compared to others who are already in a healthy weight range. She says that she is still obese. The chances of organ failure and all of these other health issues listed in this thread are more likely to happen to her the longer she holds on to the unhealthy weight putting more strain and work on her body. Not the other way around.
She also says that she doesn't purposely want to slow down her weight loss in the future. Not that she would do something drastic or insane to keep it going once she reaches near a healthy weight.
OP is barely obese (195 at 5'7" is a BMI of 30.5). One more weekly loss of 4 lbs will put her in the overweight category. She is going months between doctor's appointments, so is not undergoing the close monitoring that a VLCD requires (and if she's losing 4 to 5 lbs a week, that's a 2000 to 2500 calorie daily deficit -- I don't know how she can be achieving that with 45 minutes of walking unless she's on a VLCD).
The only comments she's been open to are the ones that encourage her in continuing on this massive daily deficit. Doing so isn't really helping her.
The "recommendation" is not a recommendation, it's a maths formula spit out based on the info you give and is the floor amount of calories without exercise for females. You are far more active than you are allowing
2) 1200/day is NOT a VLCD!! It is the number mfp has given me, and probably THOUSANDS of other dieters, to stick to.
You are not netting 1200. And it is a VLCD in your case otherwise your rate of loss would have slowed after first few weeks not months
3) I have already thanked a lot if the posters for suggestions, like eating the 200-250 exercise calories from my walking. Didn't realize that was such a massive deal but I'm open to it. I didn't consider that a "massive daily deficit". I'm sorry the math doesn't add up for everyone, but that was part of my questioning too. I've reported accurately what I'm doing.
The maths doesn't add up for anyone. That's the beauty of maths. It's not subjective. And in terms of weight loss 2 months of data is sufficient to give a good CICO formula. You are netting -1500
4) just because I don't endorse every single comment here doesn't make me have an eating disorder!! The disordered eating was more happening sedentary on the couch binge eating in front of the tv just a couple months ago.
5) I'll have my dr weigh in on my "chances of organ failure".
You need a Registered dietician
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OP, I have also been losing at a rate that most here would fuss at me for but I am also a guy who started at over 300 pounds and who does a lot of weight lifting and cardio. I still weigh a lot more than you do. I eat zero junk food, nothing but lean meats, veggies, fresh fruits, and some whole grains. I am also currently adding calories to my diet. I don't treat the recommendations here as hard and fast rules. I think most things are situational. I think your calorie deficit should be weighed against how much nutrition you are taking in and how much fat you have to utilize. Even though I am one to push the limits and go against the grain, I highly suggest that you exercise caution. 4-5 pounds a week is a HUGE calorie deficit for a woman your size and, IMO, relative to how much you are eating. Personally, I would up the calories and be sure you are eating quality foods. I would also recommend incorporating some type of resistance training to help preserve lean mass.
You didn't gain the weight overnight and you don't have to lose it overnight.4 -
NewGemini130 wrote: »NewGemini130 wrote: »But I am following the mfp recommendation which suggests 1200/day (to lose 2/week) based on my info I've put in there. I know some people override that. So I'm my situation am I supposed to go over each day to slow it down? Also I don't eat the exercise calories, but the walking only gives me like 250 or so.
Also I am NOT under repotting. I measure and track everything.
If you are not eating your exercise calories, you are not following MFP's recommended goal. Period, end of story.
I didn't know that was "required"! Honestly. I've seen people recommend eating half, etc. Sometimes I eat back the walking calories, sometimes not, based on hunger. I'll think about that one.
If you aren't going to eat back your exercise calories you might want to figure out your actual TDEE with an outside site TDEE calculator. Then subtract 1000 calories a day from THAT total to lose 2 pounds a week.
I think you are burning more calories than you realize. You might be able to lose more quickly at first, but you should aim to slow down to 2 pounds a week.
When you get to within 50 pounds of goal you can change it to 1 pound a week loss. You are going at this a bit too aggressively unless your doctor is monitoring and supervising you. 1-2 pounds a week loss can safely be done without doctor supervision.1 -
NewGemini130 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »People who are considered obese lose a lot of weight rather quickly with a small caloric deficit compared to others who are already in a healthy weight range. She says that she is still obese. The chances of organ failure and all of these other health issues listed in this thread are more likely to happen to her the longer she holds on to the unhealthy weight putting more strain and work on her body. Not the other way around.
She also says that she doesn't purposely want to slow down her weight loss in the future. Not that she would do something drastic or insane to keep it going once she reaches near a healthy weight.
OP is barely obese (195 at 5'7" is a BMI of 30.5). One more weekly loss of 4 lbs will put her in the overweight category. She is going months between doctor's appointments, so is not undergoing the close monitoring that a VLCD requires (and if she's losing 4 to 5 lbs a week, that's a 2000 to 2500 calorie daily deficit -- I don't know how she can be achieving that with 45 minutes of walking unless she's on a VLCD).
The only comments she's been open to are the ones that encourage her in continuing on this massive daily deficit. Doing so isn't really helping her.
2) 1200/day is NOT a VLCD!! It is the number mfp has given me, and probably THOUSANDS of other dieters, to stick to.
3) I have already thanked a lot if the posters for suggestions, like eating the 200-250 exercise calories from my walking. Didn't realize that was such a massive deal but I'm open to it. I didn't consider that a "massive daily deficit". I'm sorry the math doesn't add up for everyone, but that was part of my questioning too. I've reported accurately what I'm doing.
4) just because I don't endorse every single comment here doesn't make me have an eating disorder!! The disordered eating was more happening sedentary on the couch binge eating in front of the tv just a couple months ago.
5) I'll have my dr weigh in on my "chances of organ failure".
If you are losing 4-5 pounds a week, you are eating way under 1200 calories. You are not accurately tracking, or you are accurately tracking and doing maasive cardio and not eating any of those calories back. In this instance, you are indeed eating a VLCD, otherwise you would not be losing weight so quickly.
If you are 100% that you are accurately tracking, then you need to get to the doctor ASAP.2 -
NewGemini130 wrote: »I do know it will slow down once I lose more, just wondering if there's any reason to not keep doing this (other than everyone says so). So, actual reasons.
As for the calorie math above- I don't know either!! But Probably it is usually more like 4-4.5, sometimes 3.5 per week; the first week to 10 days When starting I dropped like 8-10 pounds so that is averaging in.
Gall stones are one very good reason, on top of others you have been given.
My best friend lost her gall bladder.0 -
OP, I don't think anyone has explained what they mean by "net" calories, and I think that's where the disconnect is. You're eating 1,200 calories/day, and that's how much you're grossing, like your salary. MFP's formula (and the WHO, CDC, and a whole host of other health organizations) recommend that you net no fewer than 1,200/day after you subtract your exercise calories. Like taking taxes out of your paycheck to figure out your take home pay.
Right now you're paying more in taxes than you're making, and your take home pay is less than $0.13 -
NewGemini130 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »
If you are losing 4-5 pounds a week, you are eating way under 1200 calories. You are not accurately tracking, or you are accurately tracking and doing maasive cardio and not eating any of those calories back. In this instance, you are indeed eating a VLCD, otherwise you would not be losing weight so quickly
Nope. I have been under some days but it's close (1175-ish) and most days over 1200 but under 1300, usually under 1250. I'm not doing massive cardio, just my 45-50 min walk. Maybe I walk faster than the one I select when I log? That's possible. I basically picked one in the middle. Otherwise I'm human and moving around at home, making dinner, tidying up, doing laundry, etc but that's all regular stuff I did before. And a majority I'm at a desk job.
Also- that 4-5 number is an average over last 2 mos-- I dropped a lot in the first week/10 days - like 8-9#, then it's been 3.5-4.5/week. One week it was 1.5 and it's the week I wasn't able to walk. So 3.5-4 is more the average, not 5.0 -
OP, I have also been losing at a rate that most here would fuss at me for but I am also a guy who started at over 300 pounds and who does a lot of weight lifting and cardio. I still weigh a lot more than you do. I eat zero junk food, nothing but lean meats, veggies, fresh fruits, and some whole grains. I am also currently adding calories to my diet. I don't treat the recommendations here as hard and fast rules. I think most things are situational. I think your calorie deficit should be weighed against how much nutrition you are taking in and how much fat you have to utilize. Even though I am one to push the limits and go against the grain, I highly suggest that you exercise caution. 4-5 pounds a week is a HUGE calorie deficit for a woman your size and, IMO, relative to how much you are eating. Personally, I would up the calories and be sure you are eating quality foods. I would also recommend incorporating some type of resistance training to help preserve lean mass.
You didn't gain the weight overnight and you don't have to lose it overnight.
Thank you for your considered response!1 -
If the risks to your health aren't enough to make you slow down, consider what you might end up looking like when you reach your goal weight if you continue on this path... Loose skin and ending up skinny fat will most likely be in your future if you choose to under eat like this.4
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Personally, I'm jealous. But I'm glad its going well for you and you're doing things sensibly.
Its no joke about gallstones- that happened to me,15 years ago, after a bit of extreme dieting. It's an excruciating condition.. Do be careful.0 -
NewGemini130 wrote: »...Also honestly I don't think I had much muscle to lose, lol. I was very flabby and completely sedentary. My walking has built more muscle than I had before, undoubtably. I probably should add in weights so thanks for that, but not sure how to do so. I'll look into that...
Yes, please look into adding more protein to your diet and doing some strength training. It is nearly impossible for you to be building a significant (if any) amount of muscle when you are eating at a large deficit and experiencing rapid weight loss like you are. So don't think that you have more muscle than you did before. You likely have less already.
The best you can hope for is to try to hold on to as much lean mass as possible while you are losing weight. Some loss of lean mass will happen when we lose weight, but we want to minimize it. Having more lean mass helps us burn more calories at rest, it makes us stronger, and it looks really good. If you get to goal and you've lost too much lean mass you're probably not going to be as happy with the results. Focus on getting to goal in the healthiest, most sustainable way possible for the best, longest-lasting results.
It's best to have your weight loss diet resemble your permanent, maintenance diet as closely as possible (with fewer calories of course.) Otherwise, when people switch to a different way of eating once they hit goal, they tend to regain and then some. Glad you're here and open to seeking advice. Good luck, OP!
^^thiso is spot on.
I'm wondering, though, if maybe others in your life have noticed your too rapid weight loss and have commented about it...just wondering what prompted you to ask if you aren't truly interested in any of the answers. Have you considered speaking with a registered dietician?1 -
JennifrClaire wrote: »Personally, I'm jealous. But I'm glad its going well for you and you're doing things sensibly.
Its no joke about gallstones- that happened to me,15 years ago, after a bit of extreme dieting. It's an excruciating condition.. Do be careful.
OP isn't doing things sensibly. They're losing at twice the rate they should, which is most likely because they're much more active than they realise.2 -
NewGemini130 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »People who are considered obese lose a lot of weight rather quickly with a small caloric deficit compared to others who are already in a healthy weight range. She says that she is still obese. The chances of organ failure and all of these other health issues listed in this thread are more likely to happen to her the longer she holds on to the unhealthy weight putting more strain and work on her body. Not the other way around.
She also says that she doesn't purposely want to slow down her weight loss in the future. Not that she would do something drastic or insane to keep it going once she reaches near a healthy weight.
OP is barely obese (195 at 5'7" is a BMI of 30.5). One more weekly loss of 4 lbs will put her in the overweight category. She is going months between doctor's appointments, so is not undergoing the close monitoring that a VLCD requires (and if she's losing 4 to 5 lbs a week, that's a 2000 to 2500 calorie daily deficit -- I don't know how she can be achieving that with 45 minutes of walking unless she's on a VLCD).
The only comments she's been open to are the ones that encourage her in continuing on this massive daily deficit. Doing so isn't really helping her.
2) 1200/day is NOT a VLCD!! It is the number mfp has given me, and probably THOUSANDS of other dieters, to stick to.
3) I have already thanked a lot if the posters for suggestions, like eating the 200-250 exercise calories from my walking. Didn't realize that was such a massive deal but I'm open to it. I didn't consider that a "massive daily deficit". I'm sorry the math doesn't add up for everyone, but that was part of my questioning too. I've reported accurately what I'm doing.
4) just because I don't endorse every single comment here doesn't make me have an eating disorder!! The disordered eating was more happening sedentary on the couch binge eating in front of the tv just a couple months ago.
5) I'll have my dr weigh in on my "chances of organ failure".
I'm very glad to hear the "course I don't mean if I'm damaging myself" part.
I'll bet it was thrilling to see those pounds dropping as quickly as they had been, and upping your calories now may mean those scales are going to disappoint you for a while. Dont let them get to you. We're all playing the long game (or we should be at least). The lower you go, the slower the loss should be, so if you're doing it right, you'll be with us for a while.
Relax, settle in, and as much as possible, enjoy the process!2 -
If you are losing 4-5 pounds a week, you are eating way under 1200 calories. You are not accurately tracking, or you are accurately tracking and doing maasive cardio and not eating any of those calories back. In this instance, you are indeed eating a VLCD, otherwise you would not be losing weight so quicklyNewGemini130 wrote: »Nope. I have been under some days but it's close (1175-ish) and most days over 1200 but under 1300, usually under 1250. I'm not doing massive cardio, just my 45-50 min walk. Maybe I walk faster than the one I select when I log? That's possible. I basically picked one in the middle. Otherwise I'm human and moving around at home, making dinner, tidying up, doing laundry, etc but that's all regular stuff I did before. And a majority I'm at a desk job.
Also- that 4-5 number is an average over last 2 mos-- I dropped a lot in the first week/10 days - like 8-9#, then it's been 3.5-4.5/week. One week it was 1.5 and it's the week I wasn't able to walk. So 3.5-4 is more the average, not 5.
In order to lose 4 pounds per week you have to create a calorie deficit of 14,000 calories per week or 2,000 per day. You are probably a lot more active than you think. Get an activity tracker and see how many steps you take per day. Or you can switch your Activity Level to Lightly Active, eat those extra calories, as well as the calories you earn from walking.
Also, you may be choosing inaccurate entries in the database that cause you to think you are eating more than you actually are. Please change your Diary Sharing settings to Public: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/account/diary_setting3 -
NewGemini130 wrote: »So- on mfp everywhere- comments and app settings, and pretty much all diet advice online- everyone says lose no more than 2pounds/week. Well I have been eating 1100-1200 cal per day, brisk walking 45 minutes per day, and swimming laps once a week, and I have been consistently losing 4 to 5 pounds per week for the last seven weeks. 1200 was what mfp said for losing 2/week. I eat vegan, lots of raw veg and fruit, and have cut out bread, sugar, pasta etc for weight loss mode. I am still obese, which I'm thinking is the reason for my faster pace. I started at 230 and I'm now about 195. I'm 5'7" Woman, age 45.
I'm not really interested in purposefully slowing this down because it seems like I have a system in place and it's pretty much working. So why does everyone say it has to be 2 pounds per week to be healthy?
If I were losing at the rate you are losing, given your existing stats, I'd be going to the doctor and getting checked out. Rapid weight loss is a symptom of many diseases, including cancer.2 -
Hey OP (New Gemini),
I just wanted to say that I totally agree with everything you're saying and I stand in your corner. By the looks of it, I think some people are just haters & jealous. I mean, this is feeling like a personal attack & there is no reason to be rude or abrupt to you.
I dieted for 3 months on a 1200 calorie diet & I burned at least 300 calories a day, via walking & jogging. No, I didn't eat back my exercise calories because I wasn't hungry. & if I was, a simple apple would suffice. No need to eat back everything you burned. I did this and I was fine. I lost 3-3.5lbs a week steadily & I was just about overweight. I think the key is to eat healthy nutritious food. It annoys me to read other people's responses, because alot of them don't even know what they're talking about, have no emperical reaserch to back up their claims and haven't even restricted this much in their life.
To the masses, this lady is clinically obese, so her losing 4lbs a week is acceptable, because it will tamper down eventually. But stop the lies and the hate, I highly doubt she would lose anything less than 2lbs a week on this intake, even when the weight loss slow down. People are so naive. The golden number of 1200 calories is simply a guideline. There is not supple evidence that this number is the minumum calories your body needs to function. The fact of the matter is everyone is different and this guideline is not even universal.
Also, I wouldn't worry about health complications. I have studied a plethora of health problems in depth and I think she will be fine. She's not eating nearly as little to suffer from osteoporosis, hair loss or heart disease. She's not malnourished, so it's improbable. Plus, as I said earlier, I have ate 1200 calorie & burned as much as 400 cals in a day without eating them back & I am fine. As long as the OP eats healthily and takes any supplements needed, she will be fine. Congratulations on the weight loss OP & good luck.
P.S I feel like I'm about to be blasted, but I don't care lol.1 -
Disagreeing with someone does not make them jealous or a hater... Why is that always the go-to comeback for people? Lol10
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girlinahat wrote: »NewGemini130 wrote: »So- on mfp everywhere- comments and app settings, and pretty much all diet advice online- everyone says lose no more than 2pounds/week. Well I have been eating 1100-1200 cal per day, brisk walking 45 minutes per day, and swimming laps once a week, and I have been consistently losing 4 to 5 pounds per week for the last seven weeks. 1200 was what mfp said for losing 2/week. I eat vegan, lots of raw veg and fruit, and have cut out bread, sugar, pasta etc for weight loss mode. I am still obese, which I'm thinking is the reason for my faster pace. I started at 230 and I'm now about 195. I'm 5'7" Woman, age 45.
I'm not really interested in purposefully slowing this down because it seems like I have a system in place and it's pretty much working. So why does everyone say it has to be 2 pounds per week to be healthy?
If I were losing at the rate you are losing, given your existing stats, I'd be going to the doctor and getting checked out. Rapid weight loss is a symptom of many diseases, including cancer.
I'm surprised it took someone this time to mention this (unless I missed it earlier).
Rapid weightloss can indeed signify a much greater problem. Especially if it's more than you would expect based on your calorie restriction.1 -
Lyianna, I'm not jealous or a hater. When you continued losing weight did you lose 4 pounds consistently all the way to goal? You admit it tampered down. OP should be under a doctor's care to lose 4 pounds a week. At least she will be monitored.1
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Thank goodness someone finally figured out that I spend all my time secretly being jealous and hating random strangers on the Internet. Now that my cover is blown, I'm not sure what I'll do with the rest of my life, but it's a relief knowing I won't have to continue this lie.15
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »Disagreeing with someone does not make them jealous or a hater... Why is that always the go-to comeback for people? Lol
Yes, I don't understand this either. What exactly are we jealous of? The muscle loss? And would people be giving advice that would benefit her health if they hated her? Why would someone hate anyone they don't know anyway?5 -
LyiannaTameka wrote: »Hey OP (New Gemini),
I dieted for 3 months on a 1200 calorie diet & I burned at least 300 calories a day, via walking & jogging. No, I didn't eat back my exercise calories because I wasn't hungry. & if I was, a simple apple would suffice. No need to eat back everything you burned. I did this and I was fine. I lost 3-3.5lbs a week steadily & I was just about overweight. I think the key is to eat healthy nutritious food. It annoys me to read other people's responses, because alot of them don't even know what they're talking about, have no emperical reaserch to back up their claims and haven't even restricted this much in their life.
So, you have 3 whole months of experience? And assume everyone else on this thread has less experience and knowledge than you do? Cool.8 -
LyiannaTameka wrote: »Hey OP (New Gemini),
I just wanted to say that I totally agree with everything you're saying and I stand in your corner. By the looks of it, I think some people are just haters & jealous. I mean, this is feeling like a personal attack & there is no reason to be rude or abrupt to you.
Oh for goodness sake, you are absolutely right! We are all jealous of the OP's loss of significant muscle mass and the damage she is doing to herself, especiallly the most significant muscle in her body.....
Her heart.
That is what hating and jealousy is all about, by the way--trying to get someone to see the light about what they are doing to themslves.
How this feels to you does not make it fact. There is no attacking going on, not even in the responses to you. There is just brutal honesty.
It really concerns me that you think losing at such a rapid weight is okay. She's almost out of the obese category and into overweight.2 -
NewGemini130 wrote: »I do know it will slow down once I lose more, just wondering if there's any reason to not keep doing this (other than everyone says so). So, actual reasons.
As for the calorie math above- I don't know either!! But Probably it is usually more like 4-4.5, sometimes 3.5 per week; the first week to 10 days When starting I dropped like 8-10 pounds so that is averaging in.
Gall stones are one very good reason, on top of others you have been given.
My best friend lost her gall bladder.
I lost my gallbladder after losing 93 pounds on Weight Watchers back in 2004. Last year I tried cutting out "bad carbs". It worked great for a couple of months but then I realized I was losing muscle, I started feeling dizzy every day, headaches, eyes out of focus, losing my hair, etc.
Then I really dug into MFP and started really learning about macros. June 8th I started MFP and pretty much do 40% carbs, 30% fat, 30% protein and I've lost 40 pounds so far.
So, OP, congrats on the weight loss and your perseverance, but please make sure to listen to your body for any adverse signs, and see your doctor at least every three months!1 -
I am hoping you have been checked for diabetes. I started losing weight with NO diet and NO exercise and found out I had diabetes. I continued to lose until I brought my blood sugar under control.1
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amusedmonkey wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Disagreeing with someone does not make them jealous or a hater... Why is that always the go-to comeback for people? Lol
Yes, I don't understand this either. What exactly are we jealous of? The muscle loss? And would people be giving advice that would benefit her health if they hated her? Why would someone hate anyone they don't know anyway?
I have seen many, many posts from posters here who had hair loss due to under eating. When my anemia is untreated, I get hair loss too and know how awful this is. I want under eaters to know this is one of many potential consequences.
The thing with hair loss is that it may not show up for 3-6 months after the event that triggered it.1 -
Netting under 1200 calories is not ideal. You're losing more because you are obese.0
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