Jenny McCarthy on 'The View'
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She is HOT though, so i'll watch it with the volume turned down.Using some people's logic, Jenny McCarthey is responsible for polio.
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I think that everyone is entitled to their opinion and that is the whole point to the show. They sit around and discuss their opinions. I'm pretty sure that most people in life know better than to take someone else's opinion and make it strictly their own without a thought. I am also sure that other subjects will be discussed while Jenny McCarthy is on the View. If you don't like a particular subject on the show feel free to change the channel or, better yet, hit the power button and do something better with your time.0
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Using some people's logic, Jenny McCarthey is responsible for polio.
that right there...
folks.. that's the face of current science.
yep... this is who we are talking about
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...nevermind. I don't even watch The View and I don't ever get my valuable information from tv personalities.0
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...nevermind. I don't even watch The View and I don't ever get my valuable information from tv personalities.
But the scary part is that many people do!! (Whether it's about vaccinations, etc.)0 -
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That's because everyone around you was vaccinated and you therefore haven't been exposed to these diseases. Care to take a walk through a room full of Polio Patients?I have never been vaccinated and I've made it to 24 years old without a problem...
I've been to India twice, and at least 10 other countries, including many thirld-world ones, so I have been around many people who were not/could not affird to be vaccinated. My parents focused on a healthy diet/lifestyle to keep my immune system strong.
Jenny McCarthy isn't talking about getting sick or not. Her whole thing is that vaccinations cause autism, which is bull****.
Well, I really don't know much about the autism thing, but these are some of the ingredients of the vaccines that are injected into your baby, among others(all before two years of age):
Formaldehyde
Amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate
Monkey kidney cells
Fetal bovine serum
Thimerosal (contains mercury)
Glutaraldehyde
Octylphenol ethoxylate (surfactant used in detergents)
Sodium borate (used in pesticides/roach killer)
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf
Our bodies also produce ammonia. And vaccines save lives.
What our bodies produce naturally is not quite the same process as being injected with a substance created in a lab.
Also, your thoughts on this:
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How many adults here have had a DTaP since being 5? A large part of the population is walking around thinking they're immune or that they can't pass on diseases because they're vaccinated but that's not true. Even if you have immunity, that doesn't mean you can't pass on x,y, z communicable illness. The best defence against illness is a proper diet, adequate sleep, stress management and simple sanitation.0
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Immune systems become stronger due to exposure. You may be one of the fortunate that hadn't gotten fully exposed. And that's not uncommon, but understand that just because you don't get it doesn't mean you can't expose someone else who has a lesser immunity system to it. Pertussis is a good example. And if a baby or toddler contracts it, it could be fatal. Is that worth it?I've been to India twice, and at least 10 other countries, including many thirld-world ones, so I have been around many people who were not/could not affird to be vaccinated. My parents focused on a healthy diet/lifestyle to keep my immune system strong.
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Pertussis infections in infants are primarily caused by contact with parents or siblings who are infected -- people who have (presumably) already had the vaccine.
Not all people who have been vaccinated are completely disease-free, and not all of those who have not been vaccinated are walking disease vectors.
Basically, you said that I have a stronger immune system and I could pass a disease to someone with a weaker one. This is true for vaccinated people as well. Vaccinations just strengthen the immune system against specific diseases. If my immune system was strenghtened naturally, what's the difference?
Parents have the vaccines and pass their immunities on to their children. This is how diseases are inevitably erradicated and why the small pox vaccine is no longer administered. However, this is not guaranteed 100% of the time so it often takes several generations for the disease to disappear from general population. The CDC tracks the occurrence of the disease in the population over the course of years, and eventually, it is determined whether the vaccine can be removed from circulation. That is how it works.
If you actively choose not to participate, then the government cannot force you, but it may cause a delay in eliminating the disease, and therefore, a delay in removing it from circulation, and thus mean that more and more people will have to be exposed to the vaccine to protect the general populace as a whole.0 -
...nevermind. I don't even watch The View and I don't ever get my valuable information from tv personalities.
But the scary part is that many people do!! (Whether it's about vaccinations, etc.)
It is really scary, but it's the reality of this country. It all basically boils down to laziness and an unwillingness to actually use your brain. The best thing I ever did for myself and my daughter was to eliminate cable tv from my life. I'm free of Kardashians, cable tv news morons, hillbillies that require their dialogue be subtitled, and former game show hostesses that think they know about medicine.0 -
Immune systems become stronger due to exposure. You may be one of the fortunate that hadn't gotten fully exposed. And that's not uncommon, but understand that just because you don't get it doesn't mean you can't expose someone else who has a lesser immunity system to it. Pertussis is a good example. And if a baby or toddler contracts it, it could be fatal. Is that worth it?I've been to India twice, and at least 10 other countries, including many thirld-world ones, so I have been around many people who were not/could not affird to be vaccinated. My parents focused on a healthy diet/lifestyle to keep my immune system strong.
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Pertussis infections in infants are primarily caused by contact with parents or siblings who are infected -- people who have (presumably) already had the vaccine.
Not all people who have been vaccinated are completely disease-free, and not all of those who have not been vaccinated are walking disease vectors.
Basically, you said that I have a stronger immune system and I could pass a disease to someone with a weaker one. This is true for vaccinated people as well. Vaccinations just strengthen the immune system against specific diseases. If my immune system was strenghtened naturally, what's the difference?
Parents have the vaccines and pass their immunities on to their children. This is how diseases are inevitably erradicated and why the small pox vaccine is no longer administered. However, this is not guaranteed 100% of the time so it often takes several generations for the disease to disappear from general population. The CDC tracks the occurrence of the disease in the population over the course of years, and eventually, it is determined whether the vaccine can be removed from circulation. That is how it works.
If you actively choose not to participate, then the government cannot force you, but it may cause a delay in eliminating the disease, and therefore, a delay in removing it from circulation, and thus mean that more and more people will have to be exposed to the vaccine to protect the general populace as a whole.
Has any vaccine ever been removed from circulation due to erradication?
Small pox...0 -
I have never heard of immunity being inheritable. This is not my field of expertise, but I am pretty certain that is inaccurate. Anybody with more knowledge on this who can confirm or deny?Parents have the vaccines and pass their immunities on to their children. This is how diseases are inevitably erradicated and why the small pox vaccine is no longer administered. However, this is not guaranteed 100% of the time so it often takes several generations for the disease to disappear from general population. The CDC tracks the occurrence of the disease in the population over the course of years, and eventually, it is determined whether the vaccine can be removed from circulation. That is how it works.
The small pox vaccine is no longer given because it has been confirmed eradicated and it no longer out there to be caught.0 -
N=1, strong study. I am going to go with INCREDIBLY strong evidence of vaccines being effective. Those who lived at a time before them must surely be shaking their heads at this debate.
That's because everyone around you was vaccinated and you therefore haven't been exposed to these diseases. Care to take a walk through a room full of Polio Patients?I have never been vaccinated and I've made it to 24 years old without a problem...
I've been to India twice, and at least 10 other countries, including many thirld-world ones, so I have been around many people who were not/could not affird to be vaccinated. My parents focused on a healthy diet/lifestyle to keep my immune system strong.0 -
^and if she'd spent more time among the people in those countries, she'd have heard about how families have been devastated by diseases easily preventable with vaccines. I've been on medical relief trips to third world countries, and let me tell you, modern medicine is a blessing!0
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How many adults here have had a DTaP since being 5? A large part of the population is walking around thinking they're immune or that they can't pass on diseases because they're vaccinated but that's not true. Even if you have immunity, that doesn't mean you can't pass on x,y, z communicable illness. The best defence against illness is a proper diet, adequate sleep, stress management and simple sanitation.
Well considering an estimated 75% or more of the healthy Native American population was wiped out due to small pox I dont think thats quite true.
Also, as an adult you want to be titered for vaccinations that you had as a child to ensure you are still seropositive. In fact, there are some physicians who are revaccinating patients for whopping cough. And if it is communicable that is why it is so essential a large percentage of your population is vaccinated.0 -
Just throwing in my input, not that it really matters. All 3 of my son's are fully vaccinated. 1 has autism, epilepsy, and learning disabilities. If I were told I had to choose between my son's autism and delays or a potentially deadly disease, I would pick the autism. While I wish his struggles were fewer (especially as he reaches adulthood), I would not "cure" his autism either. He is perfect the way that he is and warms my heart daily.
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Just throwing in my input, not that it really matters. All 3 of my son's are fully vaccinated. 1 has autism, epilepsy, and learning disabilities. If I were told I had to choose between my son's autism and delays or a potentially deadly disease, I would pick the autism. While I wish his struggles were fewer (especially as he reaches adulthood), I would not "cure" his autism either. He is perfect the way that he is and warms my heart daily.
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Ive never seen this show before. So i looked it up on youtube. Let me say that I was SHOCKED. All those women sitting at a table, Not one of those women are in the kitchen where they belong. Jenny mcarthy or not, they arent getting my view.0
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Immune systems become stronger due to exposure. You may be one of the fortunate that hadn't gotten fully exposed. And that's not uncommon, but understand that just because you don't get it doesn't mean you can't expose someone else who has a lesser immunity system to it. Pertussis is a good example. And if a baby or toddler contracts it, it could be fatal. Is that worth it?I've been to India twice, and at least 10 other countries, including many thirld-world ones, so I have been around many people who were not/could not affird to be vaccinated. My parents focused on a healthy diet/lifestyle to keep my immune system strong.
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Pertussis infections in infants are primarily caused by contact with parents or siblings who are infected -- people who have (presumably) already had the vaccine.
Not all people who have been vaccinated are completely disease-free, and not all of those who have not been vaccinated are walking disease vectors.
Basically, you said that I have a stronger immune system and I could pass a disease to someone with a weaker one. This is true for vaccinated people as well. Vaccinations just strengthen the immune system against specific diseases. If my immune system was strenghtened naturally, what's the difference?
Parents have the vaccines and pass their immunities on to their children. This is how diseases are inevitably erradicated and why the small pox vaccine is no longer administered. However, this is not guaranteed 100% of the time so it often takes several generations for the disease to disappear from general population. The CDC tracks the occurrence of the disease in the population over the course of years, and eventually, it is determined whether the vaccine can be removed from circulation. That is how it works.
If you actively choose not to participate, then the government cannot force you, but it may cause a delay in eliminating the disease, and therefore, a delay in removing it from circulation, and thus mean that more and more people will have to be exposed to the vaccine to protect the general populace as a whole.
Has any vaccine ever been removed from circulation due to erradication?
Small pox...
It's a shame more people don't understand what a true miracle drug modern vaccinations are. The autism/vaccination link was a fraud committed by a single researcher who has been completely discredited and his paper was retracted from publication due to that fraud. It's pure B.S. The current fight by the CDC against disease has been incredibly successful and you only have to go back to the not so distant SARS epidemic in Asia to understand what kind of panic a true disease outbreak can cause. Anyone in Hong Kong during that time remembers a city that basically shut down.0 -
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What our bodies produce naturally is not quite the same process as being injected with a substance created in a lab.
Also, your thoughts on this:
My list would even be longer especially if we are in developing countries. I dont see any rabies or hep A on that list and those are certainly vaccines I would want my child to have.
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Said with all seriousness: Your outlook is amazing. I'm sure your son is a pure pleasure and I wish you and your family all the happiness in the world.Just throwing in my input, not that it really matters. All 3 of my son's are fully vaccinated. 1 has autism, epilepsy, and learning disabilities. If I were told I had to choose between my son's autism and delays or a potentially deadly disease, I would pick the autism. While I wish his struggles were fewer (especially as he reaches adulthood), I would not "cure" his autism either. He is perfect the way that he is and warms my heart daily. 0 -
I just spit water all over. Thank you!Ive never seen this show before. So i looked it up on youtube. Let me say that I was SHOCKED. All those women sitting at a table, Not one of those women are in the kitchen where they belong. Jenny mcarthy or not, they arent getting my view.0 -
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I just spit water all over. Thank you!Ive never seen this show before. So i looked it up on youtube. Let me say that I was SHOCKED. All those women sitting at a table, Not one of those women are in the kitchen where they belong. Jenny mcarthy or not, they arent getting my view.0 -
It's a shame more people don't understand what a true miracle drug modern vaccinations are. The autism/vaccination link was a fraud committed by a single researcher who has been completely discredited and his paper was retracted from publication due to that fraud. It's pure B.S. The current fight by the CDC against disease has been incredibly successful and you only have to go back to the not so distant SARS epidemic in Asia to understand what kind of panic a true disease outbreak can cause. Anyone in Hong Kong during that time remembers a city that basically shut down.
Better yet, you can look at photos from then and basically everyone wore surgical masks.
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...Not many people research, period. What about all the parents who blindly allow doctors to do whatever they want to their children? I have a nephew on Adderall and he's in 3rd grade. Do you really think the medical establishment always has our best interest? Prescription drugs kill more people than illegal drugs. There is a lot to be leery of with modern medicine and we should all inform ourselves before we give a whitecoat the final say.
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I certainly take my medical advice from a professional, not a celeb, but YOU have a point about the medical industry that i wholeheartedly believe... I refuse to buy into the statement that kids are just more frequently diagnosed nowadays because of the advances in medicine... I refuse to believe that just a couple decades ago there were still 1 in 88 children who were autistic, (cdc.gov, 2008) but undiagnosed or mis-diagnosed. BS!?! Though it may not be vaccines, there is SOMETHING FISHY going on......The same goes with ADD, ADHD, and come to think of it, childhood depression & obesity. Mainly because physicians can't prescribe medicine to someone without a disease.... SMDH0 -
This is close-minded and downright sad to me. I find it shocking that a parent would have this attitude toward their child's disorder. It sounds like something out of the 1950s. "Oh well. It is what it is." NO. That is absolutely selfish to force your child to be complacent with a brain disorder. We live in a time where nothing is certain anymore, even taxes. The human potential has never been more immeasurable. There is no reason not to fight for your child with all the tools right at your fingertips.Just throwing in my input, not that it really matters. All 3 of my son's are fully vaccinated. 1 has autism, epilepsy, and learning disabilities. If I were told I had to choose between my son's autism and delays or a potentially deadly disease, I would pick the autism. While I wish his struggles were fewer (especially as he reaches adulthood), I would not "cure" his autism either. He is perfect the way that he is and warms my heart daily.
Here is a story from a mother on her child's autism. Although the kid is not cured, he has made glorious improvements in his health just from a simple dietary change. This is what heros do; they don't give up: http://trueslant.com/dreenaburton/2010/02/22/autism-and-diet-ians-story/
I think this is probably the most obnoxious comment I've ever read on MFP. To insult a woman who has come to terms with her child's disabilities, because she has done just that, is incredibly rude and judgmental. Until you have been around children with autism and other developmental disabilities, you couldn't possibly understand the problem with acceptance that both they and their parents face.0 -
QFT and emphasis.
This is close-minded and downright sad to me. I find it shocking that a parent would have this attitude toward their child's disorder. It sounds like something out of the 1950s. "Oh well. It is what it is." NO. That is absolutely selfish to force your child to be complacent with a brain disorder. We live in a time where nothing is certain anymore, even taxes. The human potential has never been more immeasurable. There is no reason not to fight for your child with all the tools right at your fingertips.Just throwing in my input, not that it really matters. All 3 of my son's are fully vaccinated. 1 has autism, epilepsy, and learning disabilities. If I were told I had to choose between my son's autism and delays or a potentially deadly disease, I would pick the autism. While I wish his struggles were fewer (especially as he reaches adulthood), I would not "cure" his autism either. He is perfect the way that he is and warms my heart daily.
Here is a story from a mother on her child's autism. Although the kid is not cured, he has made glorious improvements in his health just from a simple dietary change. This is what heros do; they don't give up: http://trueslant.com/dreenaburton/2010/02/22/autism-and-diet-ians-story/
I think this is probably the most obnoxious comment I've ever read on MFP. To insult a woman who has come to terms with her child's disabilities, because she has done just that, is incredibly rude and judgmental. Until you have been around children with autism and other developmental disabilities, you couldn't possibly understand the problem with acceptance that both they and their parents face.0 -
This is close-minded and downright sad to me. I find it shocking that a parent would have this attitude toward their child's disorder. It sounds like something out of the 1950s. "Oh well. It is what it is." NO. That is absolutely selfish to force your child to be complacent with a brain disorder. We live in a time where nothing is certain anymore, even taxes. The human potential has never been more immeasurable. There is no reason not to fight for your child with all the tools right at your fingertips.Just throwing in my input, not that it really matters. All 3 of my son's are fully vaccinated. 1 has autism, epilepsy, and learning disabilities. If I were told I had to choose between my son's autism and delays or a potentially deadly disease, I would pick the autism. While I wish his struggles were fewer (especially as he reaches adulthood), I would not "cure" his autism either. He is perfect the way that he is and warms my heart daily.
Here is a story from a mother on her child's autism. Although the kid is not cured, he has made glorious improvements in his health just from a simple dietary change. This is what heros do; they don't give up: http://trueslant.com/dreenaburton/2010/02/22/autism-and-diet-ians-story/
it IS WHAT IT IS....
her child has autism and she's accepted that...no where did she say she wasn't going to better his life experience or work to make things healthier and better for him....
but she HAS accepted the diagnosis and loves him every bit for it.... that is what she said....0 -
This is close-minded and downright sad to me. I find it shocking that a parent would have this attitude toward their child's disorder. It sounds like something out of the 1950s. "Oh well. It is what it is." NO. That is absolutely selfish to force your child to be complacent with a brain disorder. We live in a time where nothing is certain anymore, even taxes. The human potential has never been more immeasurable. There is no reason not to fight for your child with all the tools right at your fingertips.Just throwing in my input, not that it really matters. All 3 of my son's are fully vaccinated. 1 has autism, epilepsy, and learning disabilities. If I were told I had to choose between my son's autism and delays or a potentially deadly disease, I would pick the autism. While I wish his struggles were fewer (especially as he reaches adulthood), I would not "cure" his autism either. He is perfect the way that he is and warms my heart daily.
Here is a story from a mother on her child's autism. Although the kid is not cured, he has made glorious improvements in his health just from a simple dietary change. This is what heros do; they don't give up: http://trueslant.com/dreenaburton/2010/02/22/autism-and-diet-ians-story/
You find it "shocking" that a parent loves and accepts her child just the way he is? Yes. How horrible and selfish.
What is wrong with you?0 -
This is close-minded and downright sad to me. I find it shocking that a parent would have this attitude toward their child's disorder. It sounds like something out of the 1950s. "Oh well. It is what it is." NO. That is absolutely selfish to force your child to be complacent with a brain disorder. We live in a time where nothing is certain anymore, even taxes. The human potential has never been more immeasurable. There is no reason not to fight for your child with all the tools right at your fingertips.Just throwing in my input, not that it really matters. All 3 of my son's are fully vaccinated. 1 has autism, epilepsy, and learning disabilities. If I were told I had to choose between my son's autism and delays or a potentially deadly disease, I would pick the autism. While I wish his struggles were fewer (especially as he reaches adulthood), I would not "cure" his autism either. He is perfect the way that he is and warms my heart daily.
Here is a story from a mother on her child's autism. Although the kid is not cured, he has made glorious improvements in his health just from a simple dietary change. This is what heros do; they don't give up: http://trueslant.com/dreenaburton/2010/02/22/autism-and-diet-ians-story/
I think this is probably the most obnoxious comment I've ever read on MFP. To insult a woman who has come to terms with her child's disabilities, because she has done just that, is incredibly rude and judgmental. Until you have been around children with autism and other developmental disabilities, you couldn't possibly understand the problem with acceptance that both they and their parents face.
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i think she's crazy. do we really need another polio epidemic? because of people like hear it's on the rise again. it was almost 100% erradicated in this country. ridiculous. i think the crappy food we feed our kids has more to do with the problems our youth face, and a lot less to do with the vaccines.0
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