Pizza or Burger: What's Worse???
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There's so many different factors to this. Both of these things can be made several different ways. Pizza: Are there toppings? What are the toppings? What the crust? How big is the slice? How much cheese is there? Burger: What this made with lean meat? Are there any fatty or oily condiments on it? How much meat is it? What kind of bread was used for the buns? Is there any cheese? Also very important, which one is going to fill you up or satisfy you more? For me, I'm likely to eat several slices of pizza, but am satisfied after only one burger so even if the burger is worse for me, I'm not eating several burgers and I'd probably go through 3 or 4 slices of pizza.0
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I would say the greasy burger is worse. I don't like greasy burgers.0
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I love greasy burgers especially with melty cheese. And I'm kind of meh on pizza so I say burgers are the best.1
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Karb_Kween wrote: »But a burger is mostly meat and a pizza is mostly bread
And Beer is mostly un-baked bread with lots of water.5 -
Debate all you want, but my dinner yesterday was half a homemade pizza and the recipe tool told me that it was 390 calories. My half included 2 oz of ground beef, 1.5 oz mozzarella, 1 tbsp pizza sauce, and 1/2 tsp olive oil on a crust that was made of 77.5 g of dough which was 50% water. My half also had 5 green olives on it. "Worse", nor even "Bad" springs to mind when I think of it.0
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I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.0
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I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.
As has been stated many times in this thread, it depends on the pizza and the burger. I'm in St Louis and 1/4 of a traditional meaty pizza is less than 400 cals.1 -
I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.
You're comparing apples and oranges. Sure, a burger which is deliberately made with lean meat and low calorie bread or topping will be lower calorie than a few slices of regular corner store pizza. BUT, a pizza which is made with lean meat and low calorie crust and toppings will be lower calorie than a regular corner store burger.
You can't hold the two items to two completely separate sets of standards.4 -
i love both and don't think of one as worst. Apple oranges.1
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Ordering a thin crust pizza really cuts down on the calories. Because the crust is just a delivery vehicle for what's on top.
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snickerscharlie wrote: »Ordering a thin crust pizza really cuts down on the calories. Because the crust is just a delivery vehicle for what's on top.
Except if it's cauliflower crust. Then it's just plain evil.5 -
WinoGelato wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »Ordering a thin crust pizza really cuts down on the calories. Because the crust is just a delivery vehicle for what's on top.
Except if it's cauliflower crust. Then it's just plain evil.
Then it's not pizza.
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WinoGelato wrote: »I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.
As has been stated many times in this thread, it depends on the pizza and the burger. I'm in St Louis and 1/4 of a traditional meaty pizza is less than 400 cals.Alatariel75 wrote: »I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.
You're comparing apples and oranges. Sure, a burger which is deliberately made with lean meat and low calorie bread or topping will be lower calorie than a few slices of regular corner store pizza. BUT, a pizza which is made with lean meat and low calorie crust and toppings will be lower calorie than a regular corner store burger.
You can't hold the two items to two completely separate sets of standards.
Yeah but I'm talking about regular delivery style pizza or frozen. Which is what most people get. Not some evil concoction made up at home with a veggie crust, barely no cheese or meat. I assumed the OP was asking about standard take home or restaurant pizza or burger. Even if the burger is at a take out place I think it's still better than a restaurant pizza. I've looked at a lot of numbers at a lot of places and pizza always seems to be the heavier hitter. It's also harder to control yourself at stopping at only a few slices, unlike with a burger you usually eat one burger cuz that's all you have and your done with it. Obviously there can be some exceptions to this but I tend to think when questions like this are asked on here it's a "generally speaking" sort of question.
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I think burgers and pizza are both healthy foods with valuable nutrients. I don't see why either must be villified. It's eating too much of anything that causes problems.4
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Since neither are "bad", I cannot pick which is "worse".3
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I think burgers and pizza are both healthy foods with valuable nutrients. I don't see why either imust be villified. It's eating too much of anything that causes problems.BusyRaeNOTBusty wrote: »Since neither are "bad", I cannot pick which is "worse".
I think some people look at others calling certain foods bad or horrible the wrong way. In some people's minds they are "bad" for them or their diet goals because they don't have the self control to eat certain foods in moderation. Although I'm dieting, I still eat a burger like once a week, but I stay away from pizza for the most part because each slice packs a lot of calories and I won't be able to stop at only a couple of slices. Unless I save all my calories for the day and plan ahead to allow myself pizza, but it's not a good idea for a dinner meal if I've already consumed calories for breakfast, lunch and a snack. So in my mind pizza's not the best option when dieting. I don't know if I'd call it a bad food, but I can see why some people create that label in their minds for certain foods
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WinoGelato wrote: »I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.
As has been stated many times in this thread, it depends on the pizza and the burger. I'm in St Louis and 1/4 of a traditional meaty pizza is less than 400 cals.Alatariel75 wrote: »I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.
You're comparing apples and oranges. Sure, a burger which is deliberately made with lean meat and low calorie bread or topping will be lower calorie than a few slices of regular corner store pizza. BUT, a pizza which is made with lean meat and low calorie crust and toppings will be lower calorie than a regular corner store burger.
You can't hold the two items to two completely separate sets of standards.
Yeah but I'm talking about regular delivery style pizza or frozen. Which is what most people get. Not some evil concoction made up at home with a veggie crust, barely no cheese or meat. I assumed the OP was asking about standard take home or restaurant pizza or burger. Even if the burger is at a take out place I think it's still better than a restaurant pizza. I've looked at a lot of numbers at a lot of places and pizza always seems to be the heavier hitter. It's also harder to control yourself at stopping at only a few slices, unlike with a burger you usually eat one burger cuz that's all you have and your done with it. Obviously there can be some exceptions to this but I tend to think when questions like this are asked on here it's a "generally speaking" sort of question.
I'm just not sure why in your original example that I and @Alaterial75 responded to, you proposed that a hamburger can be customized with different lean meats, lower calorie breads and toppings - making it preferable - yet a pizza has to be the default chain delivery style pizza with meat and cheese. Why do you get to work on making one fit within your goals, but the other has to be some standardized version that doesn't fit?
Also, as has been stated many times in this thread and others, preferences are largely individual when it comes to taste, satiety, etc. Asking general questions like "which is worse" isn't helpful, because for me, I am perfectly capable at stopping at 2 slices of sausage pizza which is less than 600 calories from a chain like Dominos, but you said you are not able to limit yourself to a slice or two. So asking generalized questions when the responses are going to be biased toward individualized preferences just isn't a productive discussion, in my opinion.5 -
Which is worse? The burger. Why? Because I have leftover pizza at home. I don't have any burgers made up.1
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WinoGelato wrote: »I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.
As has been stated many times in this thread, it depends on the pizza and the burger. I'm in St Louis and 1/4 of a traditional meaty pizza is less than 400 cals.Alatariel75 wrote: »I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.
You're comparing apples and oranges. Sure, a burger which is deliberately made with lean meat and low calorie bread or topping will be lower calorie than a few slices of regular corner store pizza. BUT, a pizza which is made with lean meat and low calorie crust and toppings will be lower calorie than a regular corner store burger.
You can't hold the two items to two completely separate sets of standards.
Yeah but I'm talking about regular delivery style pizza or frozen. Which is what most people get. Not some evil concoction made up at home with a veggie crust, barely no cheese or meat. I assumed the OP was asking about standard take home or restaurant pizza or burger. Even if the burger is at a take out place I think it's still better than a restaurant pizza. I've looked at a lot of numbers at a lot of places and pizza always seems to be the heavier hitter. It's also harder to control yourself at stopping at only a few slices, unlike with a burger you usually eat one burger cuz that's all you have and your done with it. Obviously there can be some exceptions to this but I tend to think when questions like this are asked on here it's a "generally speaking" sort of question.
It's impossible to compare. (Also, I think a lot of people can eat two pieces of pizza.) I usually have burgers I make at home and they are reasonably low cal, but a pizza I make at home is too. I normally eat pizza from local Italian places (so no calorie count, but thin crust, and it all depends on what I choose to eat). We do have it for work lunch sometimes (from local chains) and I can eat about 500-600 calories of it and be satisfied (two slices of thin crust or one slice of the Chicago style, depending on the specific pizza). Or I can go to a restaurant and order a burger, which won't be lean meat, will have a caloric bun, and will be significantly larger than I'd make at home. And, it might have cheese or bacon on it. Many people who'd eat more pizza might get fries with the burger too.
I know plenty of burgers I've splurged on that have a lot more calories than my typical pizza dinner.1 -
WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.
As has been stated many times in this thread, it depends on the pizza and the burger. I'm in St Louis and 1/4 of a traditional meaty pizza is less than 400 cals.Alatariel75 wrote: »I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.
You're comparing apples and oranges. Sure, a burger which is deliberately made with lean meat and low calorie bread or topping will be lower calorie than a few slices of regular corner store pizza. BUT, a pizza which is made with lean meat and low calorie crust and toppings will be lower calorie than a regular corner store burger.
You can't hold the two items to two completely separate sets of standards.
Yeah but I'm talking about regular delivery style pizza or frozen. Which is what most people get. Not some evil concoction made up at home with a veggie crust, barely no cheese or meat. I assumed the OP was asking about standard take home or restaurant pizza or burger. Even if the burger is at a take out place I think it's still better than a restaurant pizza. I've looked at a lot of numbers at a lot of places and pizza always seems to be the heavier hitter. It's also harder to control yourself at stopping at only a few slices, unlike with a burger you usually eat one burger cuz that's all you have and your done with it. Obviously there can be some exceptions to this but I tend to think when questions like this are asked on here it's a "generally speaking" sort of question.
I'm just not sure why in your original example that I and @Alaterial75 responded to, you proposed that a hamburger can be customized with different lean meats, lower calorie breads and toppings - making it preferable - yet a pizza has to be the default chain delivery style pizza with meat and cheese. Why do you get to work on making one fit within your goals, but the other has to be some standardized version that doesn't fit?
Also, as has been stated many times in this thread and others, preferences are largely individual when it comes to taste, satiety, etc. Asking general questions like "which is worse" isn't helpful, because for me, I am perfectly capable at stopping at 2 slices of sausage pizza which is less than 600 calories from a chain like Dominos, but you said you are not able to limit yourself to a slice or two. So asking generalized questions when the responses are going to be biased toward individualized preferences just isn't a productive discussion, in my opinion.
Pizza at any place is pretty standard amount of calories. Across the board, You are not going to find a pizza place where slices are less than 200 calories a slice. Burgers are not. A burger at McDonald's may be less calories then a burger at Wendy's and so forth. In either case, most people can stop at one burger and the whole thing might be only 300-400 calories at a minimum. Whereas you just stated two slices of pizza is 600 and, while you can feel full with only two slices, I wager to bet most people can't. The temptation to continue eating more since the remainder of the pizza is still there is very great. Pizza is not a "make you feel full" type of food. If it works for you, good for you. But most people are on here because they don't have that self control with pizza or other certain foods and if given the choice would struggle to only consume them in moderation.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.
As has been stated many times in this thread, it depends on the pizza and the burger. I'm in St Louis and 1/4 of a traditional meaty pizza is less than 400 cals.Alatariel75 wrote: »I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.
You're comparing apples and oranges. Sure, a burger which is deliberately made with lean meat and low calorie bread or topping will be lower calorie than a few slices of regular corner store pizza. BUT, a pizza which is made with lean meat and low calorie crust and toppings will be lower calorie than a regular corner store burger.
You can't hold the two items to two completely separate sets of standards.
Yeah but I'm talking about regular delivery style pizza or frozen. Which is what most people get. Not some evil concoction made up at home with a veggie crust, barely no cheese or meat. I assumed the OP was asking about standard take home or restaurant pizza or burger. Even if the burger is at a take out place I think it's still better than a restaurant pizza. I've looked at a lot of numbers at a lot of places and pizza always seems to be the heavier hitter. It's also harder to control yourself at stopping at only a few slices, unlike with a burger you usually eat one burger cuz that's all you have and your done with it. Obviously there can be some exceptions to this but I tend to think when questions like this are asked on here it's a "generally speaking" sort of question.
It's impossible to compare. (Also, I think a lot of people can eat two pieces of pizza.) I usually have burgers I make at home and they are reasonably low cal, but a pizza I make at home is too. I normally eat pizza from local Italian places (so no calorie count, but thin crust, and it all depends on what I choose to eat). We do have it for work lunch sometimes (from local chains) and I can eat about 500-600 calories of it and be satisfied (two slices of thin crust or one slice of the Chicago style, depending on the specific pizza). Or I can go to a restaurant and order a burger, which won't be lean meat, will have a caloric bun, and will be significantly larger than I'd make at home. And, it might have cheese or bacon on it. Many people who'd eat more pizza might get fries with the burger too.
I know plenty of burgers I've splurged on that have a lot more calories than my typical pizza dinner.
So you've eaten 800+ calorie burgers? Also, just because you can stop and feel full at two slices doesn't mean everyone or even most people can. Or else they wouldn't be on here right now dieting and asking these sorts of questions.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.
As has been stated many times in this thread, it depends on the pizza and the burger. I'm in St Louis and 1/4 of a traditional meaty pizza is less than 400 cals.Alatariel75 wrote: »I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.
You're comparing apples and oranges. Sure, a burger which is deliberately made with lean meat and low calorie bread or topping will be lower calorie than a few slices of regular corner store pizza. BUT, a pizza which is made with lean meat and low calorie crust and toppings will be lower calorie than a regular corner store burger.
You can't hold the two items to two completely separate sets of standards.
Yeah but I'm talking about regular delivery style pizza or frozen. Which is what most people get. Not some evil concoction made up at home with a veggie crust, barely no cheese or meat. I assumed the OP was asking about standard take home or restaurant pizza or burger. Even if the burger is at a take out place I think it's still better than a restaurant pizza. I've looked at a lot of numbers at a lot of places and pizza always seems to be the heavier hitter. It's also harder to control yourself at stopping at only a few slices, unlike with a burger you usually eat one burger cuz that's all you have and your done with it. Obviously there can be some exceptions to this but I tend to think when questions like this are asked on here it's a "generally speaking" sort of question.
It's impossible to compare. (Also, I think a lot of people can eat two pieces of pizza.) I usually have burgers I make at home and they are reasonably low cal, but a pizza I make at home is too. I normally eat pizza from local Italian places (so no calorie count, but thin crust, and it all depends on what I choose to eat). We do have it for work lunch sometimes (from local chains) and I can eat about 500-600 calories of it and be satisfied (two slices of thin crust or one slice of the Chicago style, depending on the specific pizza). Or I can go to a restaurant and order a burger, which won't be lean meat, will have a caloric bun, and will be significantly larger than I'd make at home. And, it might have cheese or bacon on it. Many people who'd eat more pizza might get fries with the burger too.
I know plenty of burgers I've splurged on that have a lot more calories than my typical pizza dinner.
So you've eaten 800+ calorie burgers? Also, just because you can stop and feel full at two slices doesn't mean everyone or even most people can. Or else they wouldn't be on here right now dieting and asking these sorts of questions.
A burger chain that I picked at random (Red Robin) has lots of burgers that are 1,000 calories or more. I'm sure lots of people have had a burger that is 800+ calories -- it isn't like it is hard to create a calorie-dense sandwich.0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.
As has been stated many times in this thread, it depends on the pizza and the burger. I'm in St Louis and 1/4 of a traditional meaty pizza is less than 400 cals.Alatariel75 wrote: »I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.
You're comparing apples and oranges. Sure, a burger which is deliberately made with lean meat and low calorie bread or topping will be lower calorie than a few slices of regular corner store pizza. BUT, a pizza which is made with lean meat and low calorie crust and toppings will be lower calorie than a regular corner store burger.
You can't hold the two items to two completely separate sets of standards.
Yeah but I'm talking about regular delivery style pizza or frozen. Which is what most people get. Not some evil concoction made up at home with a veggie crust, barely no cheese or meat. I assumed the OP was asking about standard take home or restaurant pizza or burger. Even if the burger is at a take out place I think it's still better than a restaurant pizza. I've looked at a lot of numbers at a lot of places and pizza always seems to be the heavier hitter. It's also harder to control yourself at stopping at only a few slices, unlike with a burger you usually eat one burger cuz that's all you have and your done with it. Obviously there can be some exceptions to this but I tend to think when questions like this are asked on here it's a "generally speaking" sort of question.
and you based this assumption on what? OP never stated it had to be frozen or restaurant grade..
the answer is that neither is bad and it just depends on what an individuals goals are.
this whole good vs bad food mantra is really getting old...1 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.
As has been stated many times in this thread, it depends on the pizza and the burger. I'm in St Louis and 1/4 of a traditional meaty pizza is less than 400 cals.Alatariel75 wrote: »I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.
You're comparing apples and oranges. Sure, a burger which is deliberately made with lean meat and low calorie bread or topping will be lower calorie than a few slices of regular corner store pizza. BUT, a pizza which is made with lean meat and low calorie crust and toppings will be lower calorie than a regular corner store burger.
You can't hold the two items to two completely separate sets of standards.
Yeah but I'm talking about regular delivery style pizza or frozen. Which is what most people get. Not some evil concoction made up at home with a veggie crust, barely no cheese or meat. I assumed the OP was asking about standard take home or restaurant pizza or burger. Even if the burger is at a take out place I think it's still better than a restaurant pizza. I've looked at a lot of numbers at a lot of places and pizza always seems to be the heavier hitter. It's also harder to control yourself at stopping at only a few slices, unlike with a burger you usually eat one burger cuz that's all you have and your done with it. Obviously there can be some exceptions to this but I tend to think when questions like this are asked on here it's a "generally speaking" sort of question.
It's impossible to compare. (Also, I think a lot of people can eat two pieces of pizza.) I usually have burgers I make at home and they are reasonably low cal, but a pizza I make at home is too. I normally eat pizza from local Italian places (so no calorie count, but thin crust, and it all depends on what I choose to eat). We do have it for work lunch sometimes (from local chains) and I can eat about 500-600 calories of it and be satisfied (two slices of thin crust or one slice of the Chicago style, depending on the specific pizza). Or I can go to a restaurant and order a burger, which won't be lean meat, will have a caloric bun, and will be significantly larger than I'd make at home. And, it might have cheese or bacon on it. Many people who'd eat more pizza might get fries with the burger too.
I know plenty of burgers I've splurged on that have a lot more calories than my typical pizza dinner.
So you've eaten 800+ calorie burgers? Also, just because you can stop and feel full at two slices doesn't mean everyone or even most people can. Or else they wouldn't be on here right now dieting and asking these sorts of questions.
yes, I have eaten a 1000 calorie burger....
so everyone is on MFP because they over ate on pizza? That is a new one, I did not know that pizza was the main culprit in the obesity epidemic...
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WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.
As has been stated many times in this thread, it depends on the pizza and the burger. I'm in St Louis and 1/4 of a traditional meaty pizza is less than 400 cals.Alatariel75 wrote: »I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.
You're comparing apples and oranges. Sure, a burger which is deliberately made with lean meat and low calorie bread or topping will be lower calorie than a few slices of regular corner store pizza. BUT, a pizza which is made with lean meat and low calorie crust and toppings will be lower calorie than a regular corner store burger.
You can't hold the two items to two completely separate sets of standards.
Yeah but I'm talking about regular delivery style pizza or frozen. Which is what most people get. Not some evil concoction made up at home with a veggie crust, barely no cheese or meat. I assumed the OP was asking about standard take home or restaurant pizza or burger. Even if the burger is at a take out place I think it's still better than a restaurant pizza. I've looked at a lot of numbers at a lot of places and pizza always seems to be the heavier hitter. It's also harder to control yourself at stopping at only a few slices, unlike with a burger you usually eat one burger cuz that's all you have and your done with it. Obviously there can be some exceptions to this but I tend to think when questions like this are asked on here it's a "generally speaking" sort of question.
I'm just not sure why in your original example that I and @Alaterial75 responded to, you proposed that a hamburger can be customized with different lean meats, lower calorie breads and toppings - making it preferable - yet a pizza has to be the default chain delivery style pizza with meat and cheese. Why do you get to work on making one fit within your goals, but the other has to be some standardized version that doesn't fit?
Also, as has been stated many times in this thread and others, preferences are largely individual when it comes to taste, satiety, etc. Asking general questions like "which is worse" isn't helpful, because for me, I am perfectly capable at stopping at 2 slices of sausage pizza which is less than 600 calories from a chain like Dominos, but you said you are not able to limit yourself to a slice or two. So asking generalized questions when the responses are going to be biased toward individualized preferences just isn't a productive discussion, in my opinion.
Also I look at it this way: if you show me a small square of thin crust pizza and say "you can have this one square for 280 calories or you can put that 280 towards the 400 of a burger and have that instead." I'm going to choose the bigger more fulfilling burger that is a meal in itself, over a square or two of pizza that might not get me very far.
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WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.
As has been stated many times in this thread, it depends on the pizza and the burger. I'm in St Louis and 1/4 of a traditional meaty pizza is less than 400 cals.Alatariel75 wrote: »I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.
You're comparing apples and oranges. Sure, a burger which is deliberately made with lean meat and low calorie bread or topping will be lower calorie than a few slices of regular corner store pizza. BUT, a pizza which is made with lean meat and low calorie crust and toppings will be lower calorie than a regular corner store burger.
You can't hold the two items to two completely separate sets of standards.
Yeah but I'm talking about regular delivery style pizza or frozen. Which is what most people get. Not some evil concoction made up at home with a veggie crust, barely no cheese or meat. I assumed the OP was asking about standard take home or restaurant pizza or burger. Even if the burger is at a take out place I think it's still better than a restaurant pizza. I've looked at a lot of numbers at a lot of places and pizza always seems to be the heavier hitter. It's also harder to control yourself at stopping at only a few slices, unlike with a burger you usually eat one burger cuz that's all you have and your done with it. Obviously there can be some exceptions to this but I tend to think when questions like this are asked on here it's a "generally speaking" sort of question.
I'm just not sure why in your original example that I and @Alaterial75 responded to, you proposed that a hamburger can be customized with different lean meats, lower calorie breads and toppings - making it preferable - yet a pizza has to be the default chain delivery style pizza with meat and cheese. Why do you get to work on making one fit within your goals, but the other has to be some standardized version that doesn't fit?
Also, as has been stated many times in this thread and others, preferences are largely individual when it comes to taste, satiety, etc. Asking general questions like "which is worse" isn't helpful, because for me, I am perfectly capable at stopping at 2 slices of sausage pizza which is less than 600 calories from a chain like Dominos, but you said you are not able to limit yourself to a slice or two. So asking generalized questions when the responses are going to be biased toward individualized preferences just isn't a productive discussion, in my opinion.
Also I look at it this way: if you show me a small square of thin crust pizza and say "you can have this one square for 280 calories or you can put that 280 towards the 400 of a burger and have that instead." I'm going to choose the bigger more fulfilling burger that is a meal in itself, over a square or two of pizza that might not get me very far.
Some people would prefer 280 calories of pizza, some would prefer 280 calories of burger. I'm not sure what this demonstrates other than people have different preferences.1 -
WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.
As has been stated many times in this thread, it depends on the pizza and the burger. I'm in St Louis and 1/4 of a traditional meaty pizza is less than 400 cals.Alatariel75 wrote: »I would say pizza is worst. I think one square slice is like 200+ calories on average. And most people eat several slices, so the calories can add up fast. Not many people can eat only one or two slices and walk away, so it's easier to end up binging on. A hamburger can be made with different types of lean meats and lower calorie bread and toppings and you can probably feel full just eating one.
You're comparing apples and oranges. Sure, a burger which is deliberately made with lean meat and low calorie bread or topping will be lower calorie than a few slices of regular corner store pizza. BUT, a pizza which is made with lean meat and low calorie crust and toppings will be lower calorie than a regular corner store burger.
You can't hold the two items to two completely separate sets of standards.
Yeah but I'm talking about regular delivery style pizza or frozen. Which is what most people get. Not some evil concoction made up at home with a veggie crust, barely no cheese or meat. I assumed the OP was asking about standard take home or restaurant pizza or burger. Even if the burger is at a take out place I think it's still better than a restaurant pizza. I've looked at a lot of numbers at a lot of places and pizza always seems to be the heavier hitter. It's also harder to control yourself at stopping at only a few slices, unlike with a burger you usually eat one burger cuz that's all you have and your done with it. Obviously there can be some exceptions to this but I tend to think when questions like this are asked on here it's a "generally speaking" sort of question.
I'm just not sure why in your original example that I and @Alaterial75 responded to, you proposed that a hamburger can be customized with different lean meats, lower calorie breads and toppings - making it preferable - yet a pizza has to be the default chain delivery style pizza with meat and cheese. Why do you get to work on making one fit within your goals, but the other has to be some standardized version that doesn't fit?
Also, as has been stated many times in this thread and others, preferences are largely individual when it comes to taste, satiety, etc. Asking general questions like "which is worse" isn't helpful, because for me, I am perfectly capable at stopping at 2 slices of sausage pizza which is less than 600 calories from a chain like Dominos, but you said you are not able to limit yourself to a slice or two. So asking generalized questions when the responses are going to be biased toward individualized preferences just isn't a productive discussion, in my opinion.
Also I look at it this way: if you show me a small square of thin crust pizza and say "you can have this one square for 280 calories or you can put that 280 towards the 400 of a burger and have that instead." I'm going to choose the bigger more fulfilling burger that is a meal in itself, over a square or two of pizza that might not get me very far.
why cant I have 560 calories of pizza.....?
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I really wish my family liked thin crust. Regarding chains, unless it's Pizza Hut, I prefer thin to thicker crusts. Thick crusts don't add much flavor or give that nice crunch, not worth the calories to me.snickerscharlie wrote: »Ordering a thin crust pizza really cuts down on the calories. Because the crust is just a delivery vehicle for what's on top.
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I would eat the pizza every time, not because it's any better health-wise, but because I
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