Has any one tried the RFL Diet by Lyle Mcdonald
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just want to know what people think about the diet and if they tried it or going to try it
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Yes I have run a 12 day Cat 1 stint and I know that a few others have as well. There is a Body Recomposition group on here which might be worth joining it.
The diet works but you have to follow it to the letter else there are some serious health risks. There is not much point discussing it on here because it is beyond the comprehension of most "dieters". Feel free to PM me though0 -
... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?2 -
... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It is a Protein Sparing Modified Fast with prescribed amounts of protein. No it is not sustainable in the long term however it is a useful tool for obese people and those who are lean and want to get really lean.
There is a whole book about it which I would recommend reading before passing comment.0 -
trigden1991 wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It is a Protein Sparing Modified Fast with prescribed amounts of protein. No it is not sustainable in the long term however it is a useful tool for obese people and those who are lean and want to get really lean.
There is a whole book about it which I would recommend reading before passing comment.
I wasn't saying it is horrible. I'm asking why the OP is interested in this particular diet, with comments on what it seems the diet itself seems to entail [high protein, low calorie - seems I was correct, go me].
It is kinda hard to find information on the diet itself without buying the book - I mostly get bodybuilding.com reviews, and the occasional comments from the website OF his book.. Telling me to buy the book. Do you have a link? I genuinely do want to be more informed.
My main goal for pretty much anyone asking of any diet is to ask them if it would be sustainable for them. Since I cannot find additional information on the diet, I don't know what they are to do after the 12 days - what is the rest period before they resume the diet?
As for my bland comment... Yeah, it'd be super bland to me. xD; I got tired of it just watching stepbro eat it. No way around that part, but it is a matter of opinion.
PS; I was indeed obese before, too.2 -
... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable. It's meant to be a short term thing.
It's also only bland if you don't use hot sauce. Everyone who runs RFL or does PSMF knows the wonders of hot sauce.
I've done it. I rebounded by binging. It's not for the faint of heart.
It's also beyond the scope of these boards to discuss because it's a VLCD.4 -
Lyle himself stated that he does not really recommend going that low on calories, but if one is to do it they need to do it right to avoid damage, which is why he wrote that diet. It's basically a last resort or a quick solution to make weight for competitions or somesuch. It's not meant to be a real sustainable weight loss diet. If you want the way of eating he really recommends, go for the his "A Guide to Flexible Dieting" book.6
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable. It's meant to be a short term thing.
It's also only bland if you don't use hot sauce. Everyone who runs RFL or does PSMF knows the wonders of hot sauce.
I've done it. I rebounded by binging. It's not for the faint of heart.
It's also beyond the scope of these boards to discuss because it's a VLCD.
Eh, I'm extremely short, the calorie part isn't a terror on me. I maintain around 1500, being lightly active. xD; I'm open to it, I just wish I knew better details on it before having to track down and buy books.. Before even deciding if I'd see it.
I've been told to switch to a much higher protein diet so that I can start to build muscle - apparently it helps with retracting skin, of which I have a lot extra.
As for hot sauce... Time to let my korean bbq sauces reign supreme.1 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable. It's meant to be a short term thing.
It's also only bland if you don't use hot sauce. Everyone who runs RFL or does PSMF knows the wonders of hot sauce.
I've done it. I rebounded by binging. It's not for the faint of heart.
It's also beyond the scope of these boards to discuss because it's a VLCD.
Eh, I'm extremely short, the calorie part isn't a terror on me. I maintain around 1500, being lightly active. xD; I'm open to it, I just wish I knew better details on it before having to track down and buy books.. Before even deciding if I'd see it.
I've been told to switch to a much higher protein diet so that I can start to build muscle - apparently it helps with retracting skin, of which I have a lot extra.
As for hot sauce... Time to let my korean bbq sauces reign supreme.
It's not meant to be a lifestyle, so it's best you plan not to do it for any sort of long-term thing.
It's a crash diet to make weight for competitions, weddings, vacations... that sort of thing. Lyle knows people are going to do it and decided to write a book on how to do it as safely as possible.
Just cut your calories to 1200 and up your protein to .85g per pound of body weight. And lift. It will take time, but you'll be better off.3 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable. It's meant to be a short term thing.
It's also only bland if you don't use hot sauce. Everyone who runs RFL or does PSMF knows the wonders of hot sauce.
I've done it. I rebounded by binging. It's not for the faint of heart.
It's also beyond the scope of these boards to discuss because it's a VLCD.
Eh, I'm extremely short, the calorie part isn't a terror on me. I maintain around 1500, being lightly active. xD; I'm open to it, I just wish I knew better details on it before having to track down and buy books.. Before even deciding if I'd see it.
I've been told to switch to a much higher protein diet so that I can start to build muscle - apparently it helps with retracting skin, of which I have a lot extra.
As for hot sauce... Time to let my korean bbq sauces reign supreme.
It's not meant to be a lifestyle, so it's best you plan not to do it for any sort of long-term thing.
It's a crash diet to make weight for competitions, weddings, vacations... that sort of thing. Lyle knows people are going to do it and decided to write a book on how to do it as safely as possible.
Just cut your calories to 1200 and up your protein to .85g per pound of body weight. And lift. It will take time, but you'll be better off.
Oh, I know not for this particular diet itself. xD I'm already tiny af, I don't need to lose weight anymore. But information on it would be good to have. If it is an actual diet that would work, as long as people stick to the structure given, I like knowing about it.0 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable. It's meant to be a short term thing.
It's also only bland if you don't use hot sauce. Everyone who runs RFL or does PSMF knows the wonders of hot sauce.
I've done it. I rebounded by binging. It's not for the faint of heart.
It's also beyond the scope of these boards to discuss because it's a VLCD.
Eh, I'm extremely short, the calorie part isn't a terror on me. I maintain around 1500, being lightly active. xD; I'm open to it, I just wish I knew better details on it before having to track down and buy books.. Before even deciding if I'd see it.
I've been told to switch to a much higher protein diet so that I can start to build muscle - apparently it helps with retracting skin, of which I have a lot extra.
As for hot sauce... Time to let my korean bbq sauces reign supreme.
It's not meant to be a lifestyle, so it's best you plan not to do it for any sort of long-term thing.
It's a crash diet to make weight for competitions, weddings, vacations... that sort of thing. Lyle knows people are going to do it and decided to write a book on how to do it as safely as possible.
Just cut your calories to 1200 and up your protein to .85g per pound of body weight. And lift. It will take time, but you'll be better off.
Oh, I know not for this particular diet itself. xD I'm already tiny af, I don't need to lose weight anymore. But information on it would be good to have. If it is an actual diet that would work, as long as people stick to the structure given, I like knowing about it.
The book can be purchased or if you know how to work google, there are free copies available. RFL is very useful for short cutting periods after bulking.1 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable. It's meant to be a short term thing.
It's also only bland if you don't use hot sauce. Everyone who runs RFL or does PSMF knows the wonders of hot sauce.
I've done it. I rebounded by binging. It's not for the faint of heart.
It's also beyond the scope of these boards to discuss because it's a VLCD.
Eh, I'm extremely short, the calorie part isn't a terror on me. I maintain around 1500, being lightly active. xD; I'm open to it, I just wish I knew better details on it before having to track down and buy books.. Before even deciding if I'd see it.
I've been told to switch to a much higher protein diet so that I can start to build muscle - apparently it helps with retracting skin, of which I have a lot extra.
As for hot sauce... Time to let my korean bbq sauces reign supreme.
i think you probably know what you're doing. But just to remind you excess skin gradually springs back and takes up to 2-3 years to go as far as it's going to ...how far is based on genetics, youth and luck.
Building muscle may fill a very small amount of the excess space.
Protein at a minimum of 0.8g per lb and progressive resistance. I don't think this book (although I don't know it) is a necessary solution for someone new to weight training (I may be wrong)1 -
trigden1991 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable. It's meant to be a short term thing.
It's also only bland if you don't use hot sauce. Everyone who runs RFL or does PSMF knows the wonders of hot sauce.
I've done it. I rebounded by binging. It's not for the faint of heart.
It's also beyond the scope of these boards to discuss because it's a VLCD.
Eh, I'm extremely short, the calorie part isn't a terror on me. I maintain around 1500, being lightly active. xD; I'm open to it, I just wish I knew better details on it before having to track down and buy books.. Before even deciding if I'd see it.
I've been told to switch to a much higher protein diet so that I can start to build muscle - apparently it helps with retracting skin, of which I have a lot extra.
As for hot sauce... Time to let my korean bbq sauces reign supreme.
It's not meant to be a lifestyle, so it's best you plan not to do it for any sort of long-term thing.
It's a crash diet to make weight for competitions, weddings, vacations... that sort of thing. Lyle knows people are going to do it and decided to write a book on how to do it as safely as possible.
Just cut your calories to 1200 and up your protein to .85g per pound of body weight. And lift. It will take time, but you'll be better off.
Oh, I know not for this particular diet itself. xD I'm already tiny af, I don't need to lose weight anymore. But information on it would be good to have. If it is an actual diet that would work, as long as people stick to the structure given, I like knowing about it.
The book can be purchased or if you know how to work google, there are free copies available. RFL is very useful for short cutting periods after bulking.
I do know how to work google, seeing as I commented on what google was giving me [so much bodybuilding and reviewssss], so no need to be rude. There really has been no place for it in this conversation.3 -
trigden1991 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable. It's meant to be a short term thing.
It's also only bland if you don't use hot sauce. Everyone who runs RFL or does PSMF knows the wonders of hot sauce.
I've done it. I rebounded by binging. It's not for the faint of heart.
It's also beyond the scope of these boards to discuss because it's a VLCD.
Eh, I'm extremely short, the calorie part isn't a terror on me. I maintain around 1500, being lightly active. xD; I'm open to it, I just wish I knew better details on it before having to track down and buy books.. Before even deciding if I'd see it.
I've been told to switch to a much higher protein diet so that I can start to build muscle - apparently it helps with retracting skin, of which I have a lot extra.
As for hot sauce... Time to let my korean bbq sauces reign supreme.
It's not meant to be a lifestyle, so it's best you plan not to do it for any sort of long-term thing.
It's a crash diet to make weight for competitions, weddings, vacations... that sort of thing. Lyle knows people are going to do it and decided to write a book on how to do it as safely as possible.
Just cut your calories to 1200 and up your protein to .85g per pound of body weight. And lift. It will take time, but you'll be better off.
Oh, I know not for this particular diet itself. xD I'm already tiny af, I don't need to lose weight anymore. But information on it would be good to have. If it is an actual diet that would work, as long as people stick to the structure given, I like knowing about it.
The book can be purchased or if you know how to work google, there are free copies available. RFL is very useful for short cutting periods after bulking.
I do know how to work google, seeing as I commented on what google was giving me [so much bodybuilding and reviewssss], so no need to be rude. There really has been no place for it in this conversation.
It's basically a very low calorie high protein low fat diet, accompanied by strict rules to keep it from being harmful to health like most very low calorie diets are, rules such as supplementation, activity...etc. it lasts for 2 weeks at most during which people lose a lot of weight relative to their initial weight (some metabolic slowdown does occur in the later days). After finishing the crash dieting phase, people need to eat at maintenance for at least 2 weeks.
So basically it's useful for crash dieting when weight needs to be dropped fast within a short period of time. Long term it would not be as feasible, not only because it's very restrictive, but also because the dieter would need to go on prolonged maintenance breaks every 2 weeks, so their overall weight loss would be comparable to simple dieting with a reasonable deficit.1 -
trigden1991 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable. It's meant to be a short term thing.
It's also only bland if you don't use hot sauce. Everyone who runs RFL or does PSMF knows the wonders of hot sauce.
I've done it. I rebounded by binging. It's not for the faint of heart.
It's also beyond the scope of these boards to discuss because it's a VLCD.
Eh, I'm extremely short, the calorie part isn't a terror on me. I maintain around 1500, being lightly active. xD; I'm open to it, I just wish I knew better details on it before having to track down and buy books.. Before even deciding if I'd see it.
I've been told to switch to a much higher protein diet so that I can start to build muscle - apparently it helps with retracting skin, of which I have a lot extra.
As for hot sauce... Time to let my korean bbq sauces reign supreme.
It's not meant to be a lifestyle, so it's best you plan not to do it for any sort of long-term thing.
It's a crash diet to make weight for competitions, weddings, vacations... that sort of thing. Lyle knows people are going to do it and decided to write a book on how to do it as safely as possible.
Just cut your calories to 1200 and up your protein to .85g per pound of body weight. And lift. It will take time, but you'll be better off.
Oh, I know not for this particular diet itself. xD I'm already tiny af, I don't need to lose weight anymore. But information on it would be good to have. If it is an actual diet that would work, as long as people stick to the structure given, I like knowing about it.
The book can be purchased or if you know how to work google, there are free copies available. RFL is very useful for short cutting periods after bulking.
I do know how to work google, seeing as I commented on what google was giving me [so much bodybuilding and reviewssss], so no need to be rude. There really has been no place for it in this conversation.
He wasn't being rude, I don't believe. It was (likely) a tongue-in-cheek reference to obtaining a pirated copy.5 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable. It's meant to be a short term thing.
It's also only bland if you don't use hot sauce. Everyone who runs RFL or does PSMF knows the wonders of hot sauce.
I've done it. I rebounded by binging. It's not for the faint of heart.
It's also beyond the scope of these boards to discuss because it's a VLCD.
Eh, I'm extremely short, the calorie part isn't a terror on me. I maintain around 1500, being lightly active. xD; I'm open to it, I just wish I knew better details on it before having to track down and buy books.. Before even deciding if I'd see it.
I've been told to switch to a much higher protein diet so that I can start to build muscle - apparently it helps with retracting skin, of which I have a lot extra.
As for hot sauce... Time to let my korean bbq sauces reign supreme.
It's not meant to be a lifestyle, so it's best you plan not to do it for any sort of long-term thing.
It's a crash diet to make weight for competitions, weddings, vacations... that sort of thing. Lyle knows people are going to do it and decided to write a book on how to do it as safely as possible.
Just cut your calories to 1200 and up your protein to .85g per pound of body weight. And lift. It will take time, but you'll be better off.
Oh, I know not for this particular diet itself. xD I'm already tiny af, I don't need to lose weight anymore. But information on it would be good to have. If it is an actual diet that would work, as long as people stick to the structure given, I like knowing about it.
The book can be purchased or if you know how to work google, there are free copies available. RFL is very useful for short cutting periods after bulking.
I do know how to work google, seeing as I commented on what google was giving me [so much bodybuilding and reviewssss], so no need to be rude. There really has been no place for it in this conversation.
It's basically a very low calorie high protein low fat diet, accompanied by strict rules to keep it from being harmful to health like most very low calorie diets are, rules such as supplementation, activity...etc. it lasts for 2 weeks at most during which people lose a lot of weight relative to their initial weight (some metabolic slowdown does occur in the later days). After finishing the crash dieting phase, people need to eat at maintenance for at least 2 weeks.
So basically it's useful for crash dieting when weight needs to be dropped fast within a short period of time. Long term it would not be as feasible, not only because it's very restrictive, but also because the dieter would need to go on prolonged maintenance breaks every 2 weeks, so their overall weight loss would be comparable to simple dieting with a reasonable deficit.
Thank you for giving me a bit more information about the specifics of the diet. My stepbrother did a similar style of diet, but I'm beginning to think it was a much higher calorie version [same food, much higher portions, so no breaks]. Interesting. o-o0 -
trigden1991 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable. It's meant to be a short term thing.
It's also only bland if you don't use hot sauce. Everyone who runs RFL or does PSMF knows the wonders of hot sauce.
I've done it. I rebounded by binging. It's not for the faint of heart.
It's also beyond the scope of these boards to discuss because it's a VLCD.
Eh, I'm extremely short, the calorie part isn't a terror on me. I maintain around 1500, being lightly active. xD; I'm open to it, I just wish I knew better details on it before having to track down and buy books.. Before even deciding if I'd see it.
I've been told to switch to a much higher protein diet so that I can start to build muscle - apparently it helps with retracting skin, of which I have a lot extra.
As for hot sauce... Time to let my korean bbq sauces reign supreme.
It's not meant to be a lifestyle, so it's best you plan not to do it for any sort of long-term thing.
It's a crash diet to make weight for competitions, weddings, vacations... that sort of thing. Lyle knows people are going to do it and decided to write a book on how to do it as safely as possible.
Just cut your calories to 1200 and up your protein to .85g per pound of body weight. And lift. It will take time, but you'll be better off.
Oh, I know not for this particular diet itself. xD I'm already tiny af, I don't need to lose weight anymore. But information on it would be good to have. If it is an actual diet that would work, as long as people stick to the structure given, I like knowing about it.
The book can be purchased or if you know how to work google, there are free copies available. RFL is very useful for short cutting periods after bulking.
I do know how to work google, seeing as I commented on what google was giving me [so much bodybuilding and reviewssss], so no need to be rude. There really has been no place for it in this conversation.
He wasn't being rude, I don't believe. It was (likely) a tongue-in-cheek reference to obtaining a pirated copy.
It was more that the "how to work google" comment tends to come off as condescending no matter how it is used.0 -
... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable, it's primarily for those who are interested in cutting fat rapidly, while maintain the maximum amount of muscle, to make weight for things such as powerlifting and bodybuilding competitions. That's a whole different world of bulk/cut cycles that most here wouldn't be familiar with. There are variations of these for a more general audience that are likely more sustainable but I wouldn't recommend RDL for anyone who doesn't use a bulk/cut cycle.1 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable, it's primarily for those who are interested in cutting fat rapidly, while maintain the maximum amount of muscle, to make weight for things such as powerlifting and bodybuilding competitions. That's a whole different world of bulk/cut cycles that most here wouldn't be familiar with.
Now that I've been given more info about it, I do recognize the premise. Stepbrother was a wrestler, then a bodybuilder, then a WWE-type wrestler, and I think is about to go back to bodybuilding again. xD Waiting to see the fridge stock up with chicken.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable, it's primarily for those who are interested in cutting fat rapidly, while maintain the maximum amount of muscle, to make weight for things such as powerlifting and bodybuilding competitions. That's a whole different world of bulk/cut cycles that most here wouldn't be familiar with.
Now that I've been given more info about it, I do recognize the premise. Stepbrother was a wrestler, then a bodybuilder, then a WWE-type wrestler, and I think is about to go back to bodybuilding again. xD Waiting to see the fridge stock up with chicken.
Don't forget broccoli and sweet potatoes!
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable, it's primarily for those who are interested in cutting fat rapidly, while maintain the maximum amount of muscle, to make weight for things such as powerlifting and bodybuilding competitions. That's a whole different world of bulk/cut cycles that most here wouldn't be familiar with.
Now that I've been given more info about it, I do recognize the premise. Stepbrother was a wrestler, then a bodybuilder, then a WWE-type wrestler, and I think is about to go back to bodybuilding again. xD Waiting to see the fridge stock up with chicken.
Don't forget broccoli and sweet potatoes!
I believe he went for green beans. The horror.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable, it's primarily for those who are interested in cutting fat rapidly, while maintain the maximum amount of muscle, to make weight for things such as powerlifting and bodybuilding competitions. That's a whole different world of bulk/cut cycles that most here wouldn't be familiar with.
Now that I've been given more info about it, I do recognize the premise. Stepbrother was a wrestler, then a bodybuilder, then a WWE-type wrestler, and I think is about to go back to bodybuilding again. xD Waiting to see the fridge stock up with chicken.
Don't forget broccoli and sweet potatoes!
I believe he went for green beans. The horror.
Amateur.
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable, it's primarily for those who are interested in cutting fat rapidly, while maintain the maximum amount of muscle, to make weight for things such as powerlifting and bodybuilding competitions. That's a whole different world of bulk/cut cycles that most here wouldn't be familiar with.
Now that I've been given more info about it, I do recognize the premise. Stepbrother was a wrestler, then a bodybuilder, then a WWE-type wrestler, and I think is about to go back to bodybuilding again. xD Waiting to see the fridge stock up with chicken.
Don't forget broccoli and sweet potatoes!
I believe he went for green beans. The horror.
Amateur.
Well, I only saw his complete diet back in high school. He probably has a few other things now.
.... Oh, I hope he does.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable, it's primarily for those who are interested in cutting fat rapidly, while maintain the maximum amount of muscle, to make weight for things such as powerlifting and bodybuilding competitions. That's a whole different world of bulk/cut cycles that most here wouldn't be familiar with.
Now that I've been given more info about it, I do recognize the premise. Stepbrother was a wrestler, then a bodybuilder, then a WWE-type wrestler, and I think is about to go back to bodybuilding again. xD Waiting to see the fridge stock up with chicken.
Don't forget broccoli and sweet potatoes!
I believe he went for green beans. The horror.
Amateur.
Well, I only saw his complete diet back in high school. He probably has a few other things now.
.... Oh, I hope he does.
Unfortunately, if he is on a bro food diet it's going to be very limited. Mostly, bland chicken breast, broccoli, sweet potatoes, mushrooms and leafy greens. Something about sacrifice or some silly nonsense, I'm so glad they finally came up with If It Fits Your Macros!
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trigden1991 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable. It's meant to be a short term thing.
It's also only bland if you don't use hot sauce. Everyone who runs RFL or does PSMF knows the wonders of hot sauce.
I've done it. I rebounded by binging. It's not for the faint of heart.
It's also beyond the scope of these boards to discuss because it's a VLCD.
Eh, I'm extremely short, the calorie part isn't a terror on me. I maintain around 1500, being lightly active. xD; I'm open to it, I just wish I knew better details on it before having to track down and buy books.. Before even deciding if I'd see it.
I've been told to switch to a much higher protein diet so that I can start to build muscle - apparently it helps with retracting skin, of which I have a lot extra.
As for hot sauce... Time to let my korean bbq sauces reign supreme.
It's not meant to be a lifestyle, so it's best you plan not to do it for any sort of long-term thing.
It's a crash diet to make weight for competitions, weddings, vacations... that sort of thing. Lyle knows people are going to do it and decided to write a book on how to do it as safely as possible.
Just cut your calories to 1200 and up your protein to .85g per pound of body weight. And lift. It will take time, but you'll be better off.
Oh, I know not for this particular diet itself. xD I'm already tiny af, I don't need to lose weight anymore. But information on it would be good to have. If it is an actual diet that would work, as long as people stick to the structure given, I like knowing about it.
The book can be purchased or if you know how to work google, there are free copies available. RFL is very useful for short cutting periods after bulking.
I do know how to work google, seeing as I commented on what google was giving me [so much bodybuilding and reviewssss], so no need to be rude. There really has been no place for it in this conversation.
He wasn't being rude, I don't believe. It was (likely) a tongue-in-cheek reference to obtaining a pirated copy.
It was more that the "how to work google" comment tends to come off as condescending no matter how it is used.
I wasn't being condescending, I was merely informing you that if you know where to look you can get hold of pirated copies of the book however I did not want to endorse illegal activity on a public forum.3 -
trigden1991 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable. It's meant to be a short term thing.
It's also only bland if you don't use hot sauce. Everyone who runs RFL or does PSMF knows the wonders of hot sauce.
I've done it. I rebounded by binging. It's not for the faint of heart.
It's also beyond the scope of these boards to discuss because it's a VLCD.
Eh, I'm extremely short, the calorie part isn't a terror on me. I maintain around 1500, being lightly active. xD; I'm open to it, I just wish I knew better details on it before having to track down and buy books.. Before even deciding if I'd see it.
I've been told to switch to a much higher protein diet so that I can start to build muscle - apparently it helps with retracting skin, of which I have a lot extra.
As for hot sauce... Time to let my korean bbq sauces reign supreme.
It's not meant to be a lifestyle, so it's best you plan not to do it for any sort of long-term thing.
It's a crash diet to make weight for competitions, weddings, vacations... that sort of thing. Lyle knows people are going to do it and decided to write a book on how to do it as safely as possible.
Just cut your calories to 1200 and up your protein to .85g per pound of body weight. And lift. It will take time, but you'll be better off.
Oh, I know not for this particular diet itself. xD I'm already tiny af, I don't need to lose weight anymore. But information on it would be good to have. If it is an actual diet that would work, as long as people stick to the structure given, I like knowing about it.
The book can be purchased or if you know how to work google, there are free copies available. RFL is very useful for short cutting periods after bulking.
I do know how to work google, seeing as I commented on what google was giving me [so much bodybuilding and reviewssss], so no need to be rude. There really has been no place for it in this conversation.
He wasn't being rude, I don't believe. It was (likely) a tongue-in-cheek reference to obtaining a pirated copy.
It was more that the "how to work google" comment tends to come off as condescending no matter how it is used.
I wasn't being condescending, I was merely informing you that if you know where to look you can get hold of pirated copies of the book however I did not want to endorse illegal activity on a public forum.
Then it was indeed a misunderstanding based on word layout. My mistake, and I apologize for calling you rude.4 -
trigden1991 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable. It's meant to be a short term thing.
It's also only bland if you don't use hot sauce. Everyone who runs RFL or does PSMF knows the wonders of hot sauce.
I've done it. I rebounded by binging. It's not for the faint of heart.
It's also beyond the scope of these boards to discuss because it's a VLCD.
Eh, I'm extremely short, the calorie part isn't a terror on me. I maintain around 1500, being lightly active. xD; I'm open to it, I just wish I knew better details on it before having to track down and buy books.. Before even deciding if I'd see it.
I've been told to switch to a much higher protein diet so that I can start to build muscle - apparently it helps with retracting skin, of which I have a lot extra.
As for hot sauce... Time to let my korean bbq sauces reign supreme.
It's not meant to be a lifestyle, so it's best you plan not to do it for any sort of long-term thing.
It's a crash diet to make weight for competitions, weddings, vacations... that sort of thing. Lyle knows people are going to do it and decided to write a book on how to do it as safely as possible.
Just cut your calories to 1200 and up your protein to .85g per pound of body weight. And lift. It will take time, but you'll be better off.
Oh, I know not for this particular diet itself. xD I'm already tiny af, I don't need to lose weight anymore. But information on it would be good to have. If it is an actual diet that would work, as long as people stick to the structure given, I like knowing about it.
The book can be purchased or if you know how to work google, there are free copies available. RFL is very useful for short cutting periods after bulking.
I do know how to work google, seeing as I commented on what google was giving me [so much bodybuilding and reviewssss], so no need to be rude. There really has been no place for it in this conversation.
He wasn't being rude, I don't believe. It was (likely) a tongue-in-cheek reference to obtaining a pirated copy.
It was more that the "how to work google" comment tends to come off as condescending no matter how it is used.
I wasn't being condescending, I was merely informing you that if you know where to look you can get hold of pirated copies of the book however I did not want to endorse illegal activity on a public forum.
Then it was indeed a misunderstanding based on word layout. My mistake, and I apologize for calling you rude.
Not a problem. I do highly recommend reading some of Lyle McDonald's works as he knows his stuff!1 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable, it's primarily for those who are interested in cutting fat rapidly, while maintain the maximum amount of muscle, to make weight for things such as powerlifting and bodybuilding competitions. That's a whole different world of bulk/cut cycles that most here wouldn't be familiar with.
Now that I've been given more info about it, I do recognize the premise. Stepbrother was a wrestler, then a bodybuilder, then a WWE-type wrestler, and I think is about to go back to bodybuilding again. xD Waiting to see the fridge stock up with chicken.
Chicken? Pfft, ain't nobody got time to cut all of the fat off of breasts. I've gone through more tuna, egg whites and swai in the last two weeks than I care to count.
But yeah, a week and a half into a 6 week Cat 2 cycle, and it's going spectacularly so far. It's pretty brutal for one who's not used to the carb deprivation, but I've been running CKD for months anyway, so it was a pretty easy transition for me. I just stopped eating butter and replaced eggs with whites and sausage with tuna.1 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable, it's primarily for those who are interested in cutting fat rapidly, while maintain the maximum amount of muscle, to make weight for things such as powerlifting and bodybuilding competitions. That's a whole different world of bulk/cut cycles that most here wouldn't be familiar with.
Now that I've been given more info about it, I do recognize the premise. Stepbrother was a wrestler, then a bodybuilder, then a WWE-type wrestler, and I think is about to go back to bodybuilding again. xD Waiting to see the fridge stock up with chicken.
Chicken? Pfft, ain't nobody got time to cut all of the fat off of breasts. I've gone through more tuna, egg whites and swai in the last two weeks than I care to count.
But yeah, a week and a half into a 6 week Cat 2 cycle, and it's going spectacularly so far. It's pretty brutal for one who's not used to the carb deprivation, but I've been running CKD for months anyway, so it was a pretty easy transition for me. I just stopped eating butter and replaced eggs with whites and sausage with tuna.
Tuna? Oh no, the big bro diet is tilapia now!
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable, it's primarily for those who are interested in cutting fat rapidly, while maintain the maximum amount of muscle, to make weight for things such as powerlifting and bodybuilding competitions. That's a whole different world of bulk/cut cycles that most here wouldn't be familiar with.
Now that I've been given more info about it, I do recognize the premise. Stepbrother was a wrestler, then a bodybuilder, then a WWE-type wrestler, and I think is about to go back to bodybuilding again. xD Waiting to see the fridge stock up with chicken.
Chicken? Pfft, ain't nobody got time to cut all of the fat off of breasts. I've gone through more tuna, egg whites and swai in the last two weeks than I care to count.
But yeah, a week and a half into a 6 week Cat 2 cycle, and it's going spectacularly so far. It's pretty brutal for one who's not used to the carb deprivation, but I've been running CKD for months anyway, so it was a pretty easy transition for me. I just stopped eating butter and replaced eggs with whites and sausage with tuna.
Tuna? Oh no, the big bro diet is tilapia now!
Tilapia runs the same fat/g as chicken breast, so that's not useful to me for this. I never thought I would see the day when I viewed chicken boob as too fatty for my purposes.0 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable, it's primarily for those who are interested in cutting fat rapidly, while maintain the maximum amount of muscle, to make weight for things such as powerlifting and bodybuilding competitions. That's a whole different world of bulk/cut cycles that most here wouldn't be familiar with.
Now that I've been given more info about it, I do recognize the premise. Stepbrother was a wrestler, then a bodybuilder, then a WWE-type wrestler, and I think is about to go back to bodybuilding again. xD Waiting to see the fridge stock up with chicken.
Chicken? Pfft, ain't nobody got time to cut all of the fat off of breasts. I've gone through more tuna, egg whites and swai in the last two weeks than I care to count.
But yeah, a week and a half into a 6 week Cat 2 cycle, and it's going spectacularly so far. It's pretty brutal for one who's not used to the carb deprivation, but I've been running CKD for months anyway, so it was a pretty easy transition for me. I just stopped eating butter and replaced eggs with whites and sausage with tuna.
Tuna? Oh no, the big bro diet is tilapia now!
Tilapia runs the same fat/g as chicken breast, so that's not useful to me for this. I never thought I would see the day when I viewed chicken boob as too fatty for my purposes.
I have not had any issues with the fat content in chicken breast and from my memory Lyle talks about using it in the book. Wherever you're based must have very fatty chickens haha That being said; my last run was mainly egg whites, casein and turkey.0
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