Has any one tried the RFL Diet by Lyle Mcdonald
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trigden1991 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable, it's primarily for those who are interested in cutting fat rapidly, while maintain the maximum amount of muscle, to make weight for things such as powerlifting and bodybuilding competitions. That's a whole different world of bulk/cut cycles that most here wouldn't be familiar with.
Now that I've been given more info about it, I do recognize the premise. Stepbrother was a wrestler, then a bodybuilder, then a WWE-type wrestler, and I think is about to go back to bodybuilding again. xD Waiting to see the fridge stock up with chicken.
Chicken? Pfft, ain't nobody got time to cut all of the fat off of breasts. I've gone through more tuna, egg whites and swai in the last two weeks than I care to count.
But yeah, a week and a half into a 6 week Cat 2 cycle, and it's going spectacularly so far. It's pretty brutal for one who's not used to the carb deprivation, but I've been running CKD for months anyway, so it was a pretty easy transition for me. I just stopped eating butter and replaced eggs with whites and sausage with tuna.
Tuna? Oh no, the big bro diet is tilapia now!
Tilapia runs the same fat/g as chicken breast, so that's not useful to me for this. I never thought I would see the day when I viewed chicken boob as too fatty for my purposes.
I have not had any issues with the fat content in chicken breast and from my memory Lyle talks about using it in the book. Wherever you're based must have very fatty chickens haha That being said; my last run was mainly egg whites, casein and turkey.
It's not terrible, but when I am clipping macros to cals this close, 5g/4 oz. is entirely too damned much. Chunk tuna runs about a quarter of that. When I'm really being a stickler though, I reach for the shrimp. Delocious prawns are nearly pure protein. Just a shame they're so expensive.0 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable, it's primarily for those who are interested in cutting fat rapidly, while maintain the maximum amount of muscle, to make weight for things such as powerlifting and bodybuilding competitions. That's a whole different world of bulk/cut cycles that most here wouldn't be familiar with.
Now that I've been given more info about it, I do recognize the premise. Stepbrother was a wrestler, then a bodybuilder, then a WWE-type wrestler, and I think is about to go back to bodybuilding again. xD Waiting to see the fridge stock up with chicken.
Chicken? Pfft, ain't nobody got time to cut all of the fat off of breasts. I've gone through more tuna, egg whites and swai in the last two weeks than I care to count.
But yeah, a week and a half into a 6 week Cat 2 cycle, and it's going spectacularly so far. It's pretty brutal for one who's not used to the carb deprivation, but I've been running CKD for months anyway, so it was a pretty easy transition for me. I just stopped eating butter and replaced eggs with whites and sausage with tuna.
Tuna? Oh no, the big bro diet is tilapia now!
Tilapia runs the same fat/g as chicken breast, so that's not useful to me for this. I never thought I would see the day when I viewed chicken boob as too fatty for my purposes.
I have not had any issues with the fat content in chicken breast and from my memory Lyle talks about using it in the book. Wherever you're based must have very fatty chickens haha That being said; my last run was mainly egg whites, casein and turkey.
It's not terrible, but when I am clipping macros to cals this close, 5g/4 oz. is entirely too damned much. Chunk tuna runs about a quarter of that. When I'm really being a stickler though, I reach for the shrimp. Delocious prawns are nearly pure protein. Just a shame they're so expensive.
Isn't 5g per meal allowable under the guidelines though? Fair play for being that precise and making the most of the diet though. Not many people can hack it.0 -
trigden1991 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable, it's primarily for those who are interested in cutting fat rapidly, while maintain the maximum amount of muscle, to make weight for things such as powerlifting and bodybuilding competitions. That's a whole different world of bulk/cut cycles that most here wouldn't be familiar with.
Now that I've been given more info about it, I do recognize the premise. Stepbrother was a wrestler, then a bodybuilder, then a WWE-type wrestler, and I think is about to go back to bodybuilding again. xD Waiting to see the fridge stock up with chicken.
Chicken? Pfft, ain't nobody got time to cut all of the fat off of breasts. I've gone through more tuna, egg whites and swai in the last two weeks than I care to count.
But yeah, a week and a half into a 6 week Cat 2 cycle, and it's going spectacularly so far. It's pretty brutal for one who's not used to the carb deprivation, but I've been running CKD for months anyway, so it was a pretty easy transition for me. I just stopped eating butter and replaced eggs with whites and sausage with tuna.
Tuna? Oh no, the big bro diet is tilapia now!
Tilapia runs the same fat/g as chicken breast, so that's not useful to me for this. I never thought I would see the day when I viewed chicken boob as too fatty for my purposes.
I have not had any issues with the fat content in chicken breast and from my memory Lyle talks about using it in the book. Wherever you're based must have very fatty chickens haha That being said; my last run was mainly egg whites, casein and turkey.
It's not terrible, but when I am clipping macros to cals this close, 5g/4 oz. is entirely too damned much. Chunk tuna runs about a quarter of that. When I'm really being a stickler though, I reach for the shrimp. Delocious prawns are nearly pure protein. Just a shame they're so expensive.
Isn't 5g per meal allowable under the guidelines though? Fair play for being that precise and making the most of the diet though. Not many people can hack it.
Allowable? Sure. A "free meal" per week is also allowed for Cat 2s. That doesn't mean that I'm going to use it though. It's great for people who "need" such things. Fortunately, I do not. Every excess calorie consumed is an excess that's detracting from results.
If it weren't for not wanting to end up completely stopped up, I'd even drop the mustard greens that I eat, and those are only about 30 kcal per day.0 -
trigden1991 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable, it's primarily for those who are interested in cutting fat rapidly, while maintain the maximum amount of muscle, to make weight for things such as powerlifting and bodybuilding competitions. That's a whole different world of bulk/cut cycles that most here wouldn't be familiar with.
Now that I've been given more info about it, I do recognize the premise. Stepbrother was a wrestler, then a bodybuilder, then a WWE-type wrestler, and I think is about to go back to bodybuilding again. xD Waiting to see the fridge stock up with chicken.
Chicken? Pfft, ain't nobody got time to cut all of the fat off of breasts. I've gone through more tuna, egg whites and swai in the last two weeks than I care to count.
But yeah, a week and a half into a 6 week Cat 2 cycle, and it's going spectacularly so far. It's pretty brutal for one who's not used to the carb deprivation, but I've been running CKD for months anyway, so it was a pretty easy transition for me. I just stopped eating butter and replaced eggs with whites and sausage with tuna.
Tuna? Oh no, the big bro diet is tilapia now!
Tilapia runs the same fat/g as chicken breast, so that's not useful to me for this. I never thought I would see the day when I viewed chicken boob as too fatty for my purposes.
I have not had any issues with the fat content in chicken breast and from my memory Lyle talks about using it in the book. Wherever you're based must have very fatty chickens haha That being said; my last run was mainly egg whites, casein and turkey.
It's not terrible, but when I am clipping macros to cals this close, 5g/4 oz. is entirely too damned much. Chunk tuna runs about a quarter of that. When I'm really being a stickler though, I reach for the shrimp. Delocious prawns are nearly pure protein. Just a shame they're so expensive.
Isn't 5g per meal allowable under the guidelines though? Fair play for being that precise and making the most of the diet though. Not many people can hack it.
I'm nominating that for understatement of the month award.
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable, it's primarily for those who are interested in cutting fat rapidly, while maintain the maximum amount of muscle, to make weight for things such as powerlifting and bodybuilding competitions. That's a whole different world of bulk/cut cycles that most here wouldn't be familiar with.
Now that I've been given more info about it, I do recognize the premise. Stepbrother was a wrestler, then a bodybuilder, then a WWE-type wrestler, and I think is about to go back to bodybuilding again. xD Waiting to see the fridge stock up with chicken.
Chicken? Pfft, ain't nobody got time to cut all of the fat off of breasts. I've gone through more tuna, egg whites and swai in the last two weeks than I care to count.
But yeah, a week and a half into a 6 week Cat 2 cycle, and it's going spectacularly so far. It's pretty brutal for one who's not used to the carb deprivation, but I've been running CKD for months anyway, so it was a pretty easy transition for me. I just stopped eating butter and replaced eggs with whites and sausage with tuna.
Tuna? Oh no, the big bro diet is tilapia now!
Tilapia runs the same fat/g as chicken breast, so that's not useful to me for this. I never thought I would see the day when I viewed chicken boob as too fatty for my purposes.
I have not had any issues with the fat content in chicken breast and from my memory Lyle talks about using it in the book. Wherever you're based must have very fatty chickens haha That being said; my last run was mainly egg whites, casein and turkey.
It's not terrible, but when I am clipping macros to cals this close, 5g/4 oz. is entirely too damned much. Chunk tuna runs about a quarter of that. When I'm really being a stickler though, I reach for the shrimp. Delocious prawns are nearly pure protein. Just a shame they're so expensive.
Isn't 5g per meal allowable under the guidelines though? Fair play for being that precise and making the most of the diet though. Not many people can hack it.
I'm nominating that for understatement of the month award.
There was a joke on BB.com at one point, that if you disliked someone, talk them into RFL. The logs of that diet have a mysterious knack for making people go MIA after about week two.3 -
you people are weird...
But I do admire you for being able to stick to something like that. I would probably keel over in misery after day 1.
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ladyreva78 wrote: » you people are weird...
But I do admire you for being able to stick to something like that. I would probably keel over in misery after day 1.
It's actually absurdly easy once you learn the tricks to it. I found that timing is very important. An example of my day:
Wake up: EC stack.
Two hours later: meal one
Two hours later: EC
Two hours later: meal two
Two hours later: EC
One hour later: BCAAs
Two hours later: meal three
One hour later: EC
One hour later: lifting session
One hour later: final meal
One to two later: bed
With everything being staggered in such a manner, I am never hungry for more than a few minutes, even with each meal being less than 200 kcals. It being 90% protein helps too.0 -
It's still insane and I'm still impressed.
But I here actually have to admit that a) I still have a whole lot to lose; b) I'm having trouble lowering my carb intake and uping my protein intake as it is, so that would be my personal definition of hell; c) my doctor and dietician might just lynch me if I tried something like it (although it would be amusing to propose it just to see their reaction); d) not sure what a high protein diet would do to my liver and kidneys (both not in the best of shape due to my own stupidity).
The meal timing I could dig. I would just have to replace the EC stacks with a hot caffeinated beverage of my choice since I'm hesitant to try anything for reason d listed above.
Thanks for the example day.0 -
trigden1991 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable. It's meant to be a short term thing.
It's also only bland if you don't use hot sauce. Everyone who runs RFL or does PSMF knows the wonders of hot sauce.
I've done it. I rebounded by binging. It's not for the faint of heart.
It's also beyond the scope of these boards to discuss because it's a VLCD.
Eh, I'm extremely short, the calorie part isn't a terror on me. I maintain around 1500, being lightly active. xD; I'm open to it, I just wish I knew better details on it before having to track down and buy books.. Before even deciding if I'd see it.
I've been told to switch to a much higher protein diet so that I can start to build muscle - apparently it helps with retracting skin, of which I have a lot extra.
As for hot sauce... Time to let my korean bbq sauces reign supreme.
It's not meant to be a lifestyle, so it's best you plan not to do it for any sort of long-term thing.
It's a crash diet to make weight for competitions, weddings, vacations... that sort of thing. Lyle knows people are going to do it and decided to write a book on how to do it as safely as possible.
Just cut your calories to 1200 and up your protein to .85g per pound of body weight. And lift. It will take time, but you'll be better off.
Oh, I know not for this particular diet itself. xD I'm already tiny af, I don't need to lose weight anymore. But information on it would be good to have. If it is an actual diet that would work, as long as people stick to the structure given, I like knowing about it.
The book can be purchased or if you know how to work google, there are free copies available. RFL is very useful for short cutting periods after bulking.
I do know how to work google, seeing as I commented on what google was giving me [so much bodybuilding and reviewssss], so no need to be rude. There really has been no place for it in this conversation.
He wasn't being rude, I don't believe. It was (likely) a tongue-in-cheek reference to obtaining a pirated copy.
It was more that the "how to work google" comment tends to come off as condescending no matter how it is used.
I didn't respond to it that way.0 -
trigden1991 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »... From what a quick google search shows me, it is basically eating the same, relatively low cal meal over and over again. Seems bland. My stepbro did a similar diet way back when, but it was because he was body building and needed massive amounts of protein.
I would say just calorie count? You could get much more delicious food for the same calories. Is there a reason you need such a high protein content? 'Cause his diet seems pretty much to be just super low cal, but with lots of protein.
Main question. Would this be sustainable for you?
It's not meant to be sustainable. It's meant to be a short term thing.
It's also only bland if you don't use hot sauce. Everyone who runs RFL or does PSMF knows the wonders of hot sauce.
I've done it. I rebounded by binging. It's not for the faint of heart.
It's also beyond the scope of these boards to discuss because it's a VLCD.
Eh, I'm extremely short, the calorie part isn't a terror on me. I maintain around 1500, being lightly active. xD; I'm open to it, I just wish I knew better details on it before having to track down and buy books.. Before even deciding if I'd see it.
I've been told to switch to a much higher protein diet so that I can start to build muscle - apparently it helps with retracting skin, of which I have a lot extra.
As for hot sauce... Time to let my korean bbq sauces reign supreme.
It's not meant to be a lifestyle, so it's best you plan not to do it for any sort of long-term thing.
It's a crash diet to make weight for competitions, weddings, vacations... that sort of thing. Lyle knows people are going to do it and decided to write a book on how to do it as safely as possible.
Just cut your calories to 1200 and up your protein to .85g per pound of body weight. And lift. It will take time, but you'll be better off.
Oh, I know not for this particular diet itself. xD I'm already tiny af, I don't need to lose weight anymore. But information on it would be good to have. If it is an actual diet that would work, as long as people stick to the structure given, I like knowing about it.
The book can be purchased or if you know how to work google, there are free copies available. RFL is very useful for short cutting periods after bulking.
I do know how to work google, seeing as I commented on what google was giving me [so much bodybuilding and reviewssss], so no need to be rude. There really has been no place for it in this conversation.
He wasn't being rude, I don't believe. It was (likely) a tongue-in-cheek reference to obtaining a pirated copy.
It was more that the "how to work google" comment tends to come off as condescending no matter how it is used.
I didn't respond to it that way.
You've only recovered from the comment after 6 month?4
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