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GottaBurnEmAll

queenliz99 wrote: »

GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »

psulemon wrote: »

GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »

I'm still not understanding how ingesting 200 calories of fat is fasting.

I'm also not understanding how it's specific to the keto diet that one can eat a bigger breakfast and then smaller other meals.

I'm not knocking BPC if it's your choice, I just don't get these other things everyone is saying about it.

I don't get it either. If you consume calories, you aren't fasting.

I vaguely remember reading in someone's IF protocol that it was okay to drink coffee with milk or cream up to 100 calories or so during the fasting window and that it shouldn't break the fast. 200, I think, is pushing it.

But I think even drinking black coffee is breaking a fast.

2 calories? Possibly. I think you burn them off making the coffee.

Eh, I'm not fussed about it. I have to wonder, I assume I wouldn't get credit for fasting drinking my lattes coming in at 150 calories either, but I guess now I can. Or do different macros make them not count?

stevencloser

"Can't you see I'm fasting." He said as he devoured an entire head of broccoli.

queenliz99

stevencloser wrote: »

"Can't you see I'm fasting." He said as he devoured an entire head of broccoli.

I thought you liked cheese! MmmKay

lemurcat12

RowdysLady wrote: »

For me, on most days I can drink coffee with 1 T butter and 1 T coconut oil and be happy from 0700 until around 1400. Thus keeping all that time without intake of other calories.

That's great, if you like it and if it fits your nutritional goals. I think some of us are just reacting to the consumption of 200-600 (or sometimes more) calories being referred to as fasting, when it's basically a normal breakfast. It's not surprising that one would eat (or drink) breakfast and not be hungry. I eat a variety of different breakfasts, including a high carb, low fat, mostly vegetable-based smoothie with lots of protein (greek yogurt and protein powder and sometimes cashew milk), and am perfectly content from 5:30 or 6 until 2, if I don't happen to eat lunch until 2.

I simply can't imagine that with other WOE, people don't experience the same sort of thing. "I ate my same breakfast today as I always do, yet I feel like I'm starving. I can't wait for lunch." Ever think or say that? Bet most have. So to knock BPC (or anyone's choice for a meal) for being too calorie rich seems a bit one sided to me.

Sure, on occasion. I think the point is that it's a lot of calories if you don't find it satiating (I probably wouldn't) or if you have other nutritional goals. Breakfast-sized calories on butter and coconut oil doesn't meet mine, because they don't really have a lot of other nutrients (I like to have protein and vegetables with all meals). But then, I enjoy saving some calories for ice cream or high quality chocolate (which obviously isn't really keto compliant) or good cheese (which would be), and others like saving them for wine or other treats. All fine, but it's annoying when people sneer at these choices as empty calories or not good choices for someone with an overall nutritious diet, but then seem to think that BPC is some kind of superfood (but then the notion of superfoods is crazy anyway) or special secret to weight loss.

If it's just a tasty breakfast you happen to like, well, still not my cup of coffee (black is best, IMO), but I think that's great for you. It's just not somehow superior to other breakfasts that others might prefer (and it's not fasting).

T1DCarnivoreRunner

GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »

psulemon wrote: »

GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »

I'm still not understanding how ingesting 200 calories of fat is fasting.

I'm also not understanding how it's specific to the keto diet that one can eat a bigger breakfast and then smaller other meals.

I'm not knocking BPC if it's your choice, I just don't get these other things everyone is saying about it.

I don't get it either. If you consume calories, you aren't fasting.

I vaguely remember reading in someone's IF protocol that it was okay to drink coffee with milk or cream up to 100 calories or so during the fasting window and that it shouldn't break the fast. 200, I think, is pushing it.

I'm not sure if that is true with so much cream, but just adding fat could possibly be included in a fasting goal because you keep your body running on just fat. The difference is changing perhaps from body fat to dietary fat. Adding too much cream would bring on carbs, so that breaks the fat consumption goal. How much is likely going to be highly individualized. For me, 50 calories of cream (4g carbs) is going to break a fast, but I've become very carb-sensitive while becoming fat adapted. So 100 calories maybe could work to keep someone in a fat consuming (fast) mode if they were less carb sensitive.

trigden1991

GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »

psulemon wrote: »

GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »

I'm still not understanding how ingesting 200 calories of fat is fasting.

I'm also not understanding how it's specific to the keto diet that one can eat a bigger breakfast and then smaller other meals.

I'm not knocking BPC if it's your choice, I just don't get these other things everyone is saying about it.

I don't get it either. If you consume calories, you aren't fasting.

I vaguely remember reading in someone's IF protocol that it was okay to drink coffee with milk or cream up to 100 calories or so during the fasting window and that it shouldn't break the fast. 200, I think, is pushing it.

I remember reading that 50-100 cals spaced out throughout the Fast does not create a big enough insulin response to consider it breaking the fast. A splash of milk in coffee etc should be fine.

GottaBurnEmAll

This whole "I'm not spiking insulin, so I'm still fasting" argument ... is just... I don't get it.

You're taking in calories.

rainbowbow

GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »

This whole "I'm not spiking insulin, so I'm still fasting" argument ... is just... I don't get it.

You're taking in calories.

In the HFLC cult camp insulin is everything and one can theoretically eat thousands of calories of fat and never gain weight solely because of insulin.

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