Can not lose weight
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TavistockToad wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Yup. It's just a sore spot that all the anti CICOers use all the time to discredit CICO as they claim that we advocate the all junk food diet
time for a flogging a dead horse gif, surely....
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queenliz99 wrote: »@singingflutelady I didn't really say anyone was, just adding my 2 cents to the debate. Since so many people just say CICO and nothing else, it really needs to be expanded to a balanced diet CICO.
No one says eat "eat junk" though.
When all you say is "CICO is all that matters" you're inferring they can eat just junk if they really want to. No, no one is advocating it, but the fact is so many people just lazily respond with CICO and expect people to go do their own research, we're a lazy society and there's still a portion of the people who are going to infer they can eat nothing but junk and lose weight and be healthy. Since the biggest perception of health in this culture is based purely on weight. You see a fat person, you assume they are unhealthy. You see a normal body weight and assume they are healthy. Where in reality that fat person could be eating loads of good nutritional food, and the skinny person eating proper amounts of bad nutritional foods.
I'm just saying for how helpful this community is, there's a lot of lazy responses that just say "CICO" and never expand on it. I know it gets tiring with how many of the same topics come up on a daily basis, but I'd rather see a carbon copy generic but detailed response than the flock of people saying eat less than you burn.2 -
queenliz99 wrote: »@singingflutelady I didn't really say anyone was, just adding my 2 cents to the debate. Since so many people just say CICO and nothing else, it really needs to be expanded to a balanced diet CICO.
No one says eat "eat junk" though.
When all you say is "CICO is all that matters" you're inferring they can eat just junk if they really want to.
But they can eat just junk food if they really want to. CICO is all that matter for weightloss so 'junk food' isn't going to make an ounce of difference.
Of course you're right, to lose weight and be healthy we do need balanced diets but surely no-one needs telling that?
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cerise_noir wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »we can reset our body? like a computer? news to me
Yep....ctrl+alt+del x3
I'm an older model, where can I find said ctrl+alt+del keys? 3 -
queenliz99 wrote: »@singingflutelady I didn't really say anyone was, just adding my 2 cents to the debate. Since so many people just say CICO and nothing else, it really needs to be expanded to a balanced diet CICO.
No one says eat "eat junk" though.
When all you say is "CICO is all that matters" you're inferring they can eat just junk if they really want to. No, no one is advocating it, but the fact is so many people just lazily respond with CICO and expect people to go do their own research, we're a lazy society and there's still a portion of the people who are going to infer they can eat nothing but junk and lose weight and be healthy. Since the biggest perception of health in this culture is based purely on weight. You see a fat person, you assume they are unhealthy. You see a normal body weight and assume they are healthy. Where in reality that fat person could be eating loads of good nutritional food, and the skinny person eating proper amounts of bad nutritional foods.
I'm just saying for how helpful this community is, there's a lot of lazy responses that just say "CICO" and never expand on it. I know it gets tiring with how many of the same topics come up on a daily basis, but I'd rather see a carbon copy generic but detailed response than the flock of people saying eat less than you burn.
They're lazy because they expect users to research build their own healthy diet after helping them with their weight loss issue, which is what the users did ask about? How far would you expect the responders to go? Shall we start clarifying that users shouldn't just stay high all day even though it might help them avoid eating and thus lose lots of weight? You may need to double check the sign up requirements here. Everyone is expected to be an adult, which does come with personal responsibility and common sense. There's no need to patronize users by answering dumb questions they didn't ask, IMO.
And please stop restating that other user's position. It had nothing to do with eating a healthful diet, and everything to do with his/her having believed every single bit of derpwoo that irresponsible money grabbers such as Dr. Oz spew for a living.10 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »So misinformed it's inbeleviable. What about the antibiotics in meat, what about the hormones pumped into animals, what about unhealthy preservatives, what about GMOs? Maybe you should read up on this and get better informed.
It's so inbelievable, I lost my first 50+ lbs eating mostly lean cuisine, fast food, snack cakes and fiber one brownies.6 -
cerise_noir wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »we can reset our body? like a computer? news to me
Yep....ctrl+alt+del x3
I'm an older model, where can I find said ctrl+alt+del keys?
You could just try turning it off and turning it back on again.5 -
BruinsGal_91 wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »we can reset our body? like a computer? news to me
Yep....ctrl+alt+del x3
I'm an older model, where can I find said ctrl+alt+del keys?
You could just try turning it off and turning it back on again.
make sure you also unplug yourself from the power source and wait 30 seconds and then plug yourself back in,This is a hard reset.5 -
Even though the argument Antoinette is trying to make is pretty much all BS, the main point he/she was trying to make is correct. CI/CO will make you lose weight, but it won't ensure you are healthy. If the OP is eating the right calories but nothing but junk food, you will still lose weight, but are going to struggle in other areas of your health. It is important to eat proper nutrition along the way, still want to get your veggies and proteins in the mix.
Worth a read:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/
For many overweight/obese people, weight loss will markedly improve their overall health regardless of what diet they use to get there. Read the part in the above article about his blood work results.
Nobody is recommending a diet comprised entirely of junk food, as the "clean eating" evangelists often frame it. Context and dosage matter, and eating well isn't a binary proposition. There's plenty of sensible middle ground in between eating nothing but vegetables watered by a fairy's tears and harvested under the full moon by virgin elves, and sitting on the couch shoveling pure lard and bags of sugar into one's mouth while guzzling high fructose corn syrup.
[ETA:] One more to add - this research review is a bit more scientific than the above article:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/hormonal-responses-fast-food-meal.html/6 -
queenliz99 wrote: »@singingflutelady I didn't really say anyone was, just adding my 2 cents to the debate. Since so many people just say CICO and nothing else, it really needs to be expanded to a balanced diet CICO.
No one says eat "eat junk" though.
When all you say is "CICO is all that matters" you're inferring they can eat just junk if they really want to. No, no one is advocating it, but the fact is so many people just lazily respond with CICO and expect people to go do their own research, we're a lazy society and there's still a portion of the people who are going to infer they can eat nothing but junk and lose weight and be healthy. Since the biggest perception of health in this culture is based purely on weight. You see a fat person, you assume they are unhealthy. You see a normal body weight and assume they are healthy. Where in reality that fat person could be eating loads of good nutritional food, and the skinny person eating proper amounts of bad nutritional foods.
I'm just saying for how helpful this community is, there's a lot of lazy responses that just say "CICO" and never expand on it. I know it gets tiring with how many of the same topics come up on a daily basis, but I'd rather see a carbon copy generic but detailed response than the flock of people saying eat less than you burn.
Keep in mind that this particular poster started two threads and advice got split between the two. I know I posted a more detailed copy/paste list on her other thread and a few simple mistakes from her food diary here. If you're reading that as lazy advice, you may not have the full picture.3 -
Just to add my ten cents, I'm 5ft 2 also and 47, when I started here on 2012 I was 154lbs. I set MFP to lose 1lb a week but I felt I couldn't stick to 1200 plus exercise calories so changed that setting quite quickly to lose 0.5lb a week. Ok it did take me the best part of a year back then to lose but I got there, but I kept it off, which to me was the main thing. After years of constantly yoyo-ing its finally great to be maintaining effortlessly.
To lose I consistently/accurately logged all my food. The weeks I didn't lose, I had been more slack at logging and obviously ate more than I thought.
To lose I did so eating from 1600-1800 cals a day.
I doubt you are eating 1000 calories a day or you would be losing, as others have already said, time for more accurate logging.2 -
What's sad is that a quick glance at OP's diary would tell anyone she hasn't been logging consistently and is eyeballing portions, so she is most likely eating far more than 1000 cals. We told her that, she graciously accepted the advice and said she was going to get a food scale and start logging consistently. And this was all on page 1 and it was beautiful!
When you hear hoofs, assume a horse is coming rather than a zebra. All the hormones and metabolism and later on the flat out woo are all useless advice if you don't first have an accurate idea of the basics, like how much are you eating. Sometimes MFP is exhausting
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queenliz99 wrote: »@singingflutelady I didn't really say anyone was, just adding my 2 cents to the debate. Since so many people just say CICO and nothing else, it really needs to be expanded to a balanced diet CICO.
No one says eat "eat junk" though.
When all you say is "CICO is all that matters" you're inferring they can eat just junk if they really want to. No, no one is advocating it, but the fact is so many people just lazily respond with CICO and expect people to go do their own research, we're a lazy society and there's still a portion of the people who are going to infer they can eat nothing but junk and lose weight and be healthy. Since the biggest perception of health in this culture is based purely on weight. You see a fat person, you assume they are unhealthy. You see a normal body weight and assume they are healthy. Where in reality that fat person could be eating loads of good nutritional food, and the skinny person eating proper amounts of bad nutritional foods.
I'm just saying for how helpful this community is, there's a lot of lazy responses that just say "CICO" and never expand on it. I know it gets tiring with how many of the same topics come up on a daily basis, but I'd rather see a carbon copy generic but detailed response than the flock of people saying eat less than you burn.
To be fair, if someone is complaining that they can't lose weight, CICO in fact IS all that matters for losing weight. This response is often given to posters who say - I cut out bread and pasta, I don't eat after 7PM, and all of my meat is organic, why aren't I losing weight? CICO.
Also to be fair, a "fat" person who eats a lot of good nutritional food is still most likely unhealthy if they are overweight. Being overweight in and of itself is one of the major contributors to a host of health issues plaguing society today, including diabetes, heart disease, hypertension, and cancer. I am no expert, but I think you could make a factually based case that a person who is a healthy weight but eats lots of junk has a lower risk of disease and early death than a person who is overweight but eats only nutritious whole foods.
Also to be fair, we are all just regular people here volunteering our time and advice. It's not our responsibility to spell out every single possible fact associated with diet when we respond to a short post. If we were "lazy", we wouldn't be here at all. And I've never seen a thread where none of the responses included something more than "CICO". Never.3 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »So the idea that you can eat toxic crap makes you feel better? (cookies, ice cream etc). More power to you. That's absolutely your choice. For those who want to live a healthy lifestyle and lose weight I suggest you challenge what people have claimed works (clearly many people arent seing any results by the posts we see daily) Try to cleanse and reset your body and you will see results. Do you realize there is pounds of undigested waste that sits in your system? We eat so much meat at a rate our body can't keep up. We ingest so much toxins and that never gets eliminated and that prevent our body from functioning properly. This is why water and waste elimination is important and this is the first thing you will notice will change when you're on the right track.
What are these toxins you speak of? Do they have chemicals in them? I hear these are bad.
There are no massive deposits of toxins in your body unless you have a serious intestinal blockage, near death, or dead.2 -
pattysanderson71 wrote: »First time posting here and first time ever posting anything!!! I am wondering if there is anyone else out there that feels like there bia truly something wrong because no matter what I just can't lose weight! I have made my diary public and have posted for 50 days. Please feel free to have a look. However, I have been struggling my whole life with this. I am 45 yrs old 5'2". You name a diet I bet I tried it!! But this past year I have been seeing this as a life style and working hard on calorie counting and exercise. Dealt with Thyroid issues finally got my levels somewhat normal. Thyroid issue explains why I didn't lose over the summer with all my hard work. However since Sept still no results. For the past 3 weeks i have been aiming for 1000 calories a day and track very well. Some days I go over but I still track. I stopped eating my exercise calories I do 40 60 mins cardio 5 to 6 times a week +1/2 hour of weights 5 to 6 times a week I have an office job so sit 8 hrs a day.
I am so frustrated!!! There are weeks I have been perfect and can not lose!!! I know myself when I don't deserve to see results but I have been doing so well for awhile now
Welcome!
First of all how much are you planning on losing? 2 lbs a week is a very aggressive goal and not realistic for most people.
Do not let thyroid problems become an excuse. Know your full thyroid panel - TSH, fT3, fT4, and rT3. If your endocrinologist is only running TSH you need to insist upon a full panel. The new normal for TSH is between 0.2 and 2.0 and if you are not feeling well insist on further investigation.
As many (including yourself it seems) have pointed out you are eating more than you think. If you are not in a caloric deficit you will not lose weight. If you are not losing weight you are not in a caloric deficit. Thyroid issues have very little impact on this and can only cause approximately 10 lbs increase in weight.
The other important thing to note about thyroid disorders and all hormonal disorders is that it is nearly impossible to hold any sort of hormone balance and be overweight. Hormones are free cycling and simply being overweight will cause clinical indications of hypothyroidism. The best course of action is safe weight loss.
Set your goals to 1 lb/week and greatly enhance your accuracy. Find a routine and stick to this. You are not making changes to hit some magic number on a scale, but implementing small changes to your life which will have dramatic impact.2 -
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AntoinetteAngus wrote: »So the idea that you can eat toxic crap makes you feel better? (cookies, ice cream etc). More power to you. That's absolutely your choice. For those who want to live a healthy lifestyle and lose weight I suggest you challenge what people have claimed works (clearly many people arent seing any results by the posts we see daily) Try to cleanse and reset your body and you will see results. Do you realize there is pounds of undigested waste that sits in your system? We eat so much meat at a rate our body can't keep up. We ingest so much toxins and that never gets eliminated and that prevent our body from functioning properly. This is why water and waste elimination is important and this is the first thing you will notice will change when you're on the right track.
I think you have some good ideas but I think a lot of it is getting muddled with pseudoscience.
At the end of the day, all calories are is a measure of energy. That's it. They are not good or bad, they are just energy.
Your body requires a certain amount of energy to survive. This is energy to keep your heart beating, respirations (lungs moving in and out), nerves firing, peristalsis of the GI tract, etc. If you take in more energy then your body requires burn, you will gain weight. If you take in less energy then your body requires, you will lose weight. Period. Full stop.
If you eat junk, but at a deficit, you will lose weight. However, it is likely you will be fatigued, tired, your immune system may not be strong to keep fighting off disease, your hair may fall out, and you may show other signs of vitamin and mineral deficiencies. It is also hard to feel full when your diet is devoid of lean protein and fiber, which may lead to over eating.
Your kidneys and liver do a good job detoxing the body. Please don't be mislead in to thinking you need to spend $100+ to "reset" anything. If you lose any weight during a cleanse it is water, which is why people are so easily mislead into thinking they are resetting their system. Cleanses are just marketing poly trying to take your hard earned money.
Gastroenterologists and other researchers have used scopes (colposcopy, upper GI) to look at peoples bowels and intestines. None of them have found pounds of undigested waste sitting in your GI track.
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AntoinetteAngus wrote: »So the idea that you can eat toxic crap makes you feel better? (cookies, ice cream etc). More power to you. That's absolutely your choice. For those who want to live a healthy lifestyle and lose weight I suggest you challenge what people have claimed works (clearly many people arent seing any results by the posts we see daily) Try to cleanse and reset your body and you will see results. Do you realize there is pounds of undigested waste that sits in your system? We eat so much meat at a rate our body can't keep up. We ingest so much toxins and that never gets eliminated and that prevent our body from functioning properly. This is why water and waste elimination is important and this is the first thing you will notice will change when you're on the right track.
I think you have some good ideas but I think a lot of it is getting muddled with pseudoscience.
At the end of the day, all calories are is a measure of energy. That's it. They are not good or bad, they are just energy.
Your body requires a certain amount of energy to survive. This is energy to keep your heart beating, respirations (lungs moving in and out), nerves firing, peristalsis of the GI tract, etc. If you take in more energy then your body requires burn, you will gain weight. If you take in less energy then your body requires, you will lose weight. Period. Full stop.
If you eat junk, but at a deficit, you will lose weight. However, it is likely you will be fatigued, tired, your immune system may not be strong to keep fighting off disease, your hair may fall out, and you may show other signs of vitamin and mineral deficiencies. It is also hard to feel full when your diet is devoid of lean protein and fiber, which may lead to over eating.
Your kidneys and liver do a good job detoxing the body. Please don't be mislead in to thinking you need to spend $100+ to "reset" anything. If you lose any weight during a cleanse it is water, which is why people are so easily mislead into thinking they are resetting their system. Cleanses are just marketing poly trying to take your hard earned money.
Gastroenterologists and other researchers have used scopes (colposcopy, upper GI) to look at peoples bowels and intestines. None of them have found pounds of undigested waste sitting in your GI track.
Though again you can include "junk" in a balanced diet and not be malnourished or unhealthy. Including "junk" doesn't mean a diet devoid of lean protein and fiber.5 -
I have Hashimotos and I am Hypothyroid, Similar stats to you and a shorty as well LOL! I switched to the AIP diet, basically eliminating gluten sugar, dairy, anything really processed and the foods that slow our thyroid down. Working with my endo on my diet, making sure to take my meds on empty stomach. I take them at night. I log and measure every single bite that goes in my mouth. (Don't depend on the listings here, check your labels) I don't use the calories given to me with my exercise as I assume they are off anyways. I typically do HIIT on my bike and walk but just log light biking. I am losing 2+ depending each week. It can be done
Do your body a favor and ditch anything processed, IMO this is the most important for us! Good Luck to you, I know it can be frustrating and having this disease can really slow us down making it harder, but you can do it!
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RemarkablyUnremarkable wrote: »I have Hashimotos and I am Hypothyroid, Similar stats to you and a shorty as well LOL! I switched to the AIP diet, basically eliminating gluten sugar, dairy, anything really processed and the foods that slow our thyroid down. Working with my endo on my diet, making sure to take my meds on empty stomach. I take them at night. I log and measure every single bite that goes in my mouth. (Don't depend on the listings here, check your labels) I don't use the calories given to me with my exercise as I assume they are off anyways. I typically do HIIT on my bike and walk but just log light biking. I am losing 2+ depending each week. It can be done Do your body a favor and ditch anything processed, IMO this is the most important for us! Good Luck to you, I know it can be frustrating and having this disease can really slow us down making it harder, but you can do it!
where do you get that certain foods slow your thyroid down? if that were the case wouldnt everyone that eat these foods have slow thyroids?3 -
Op, I thought the same as you. That I was doing everything right but the weight still wasn't coming off. Then I started using my digital kitchen scale for everything...and finally lost the 40lbs I gained in pregnancy. I had my second baby 9 months ago (gained 40lbs again) and am currently 13lbs away from preprego weight. Weigh everything you eat (aside from some liquids) and see in a month if you finally have results.3
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