Why is it the more I run the slower I'm getting ?
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I know the article is controversial, but you know people are doing something wrong when there are so many people all kitted out in running gear at the local 5k but most of them can't break 30 minutes. We should be critical of the focus on just putting in more miles when one could benefit from speed work.
So now people who can't break 30 minutes shouldn't be "all kitted out in running gear?"
Should they be forced to run in regular street clothes instead, to distinguish them from the "real" runners? Or maybe have a scarlet letter branded on their foreheads?
How's the view from up on that high horse?10 -
I know the article is controversial
I wouldn't dignify it with that description., but you know people are doing something wrong when there are so many people all kitted out in running gear at the local 5k but most of them can't break 30 minutes. We should be critical of the focus on just putting in more miles when one could benefit from speed work.
We have no idea why others run, what's motivating them to get out there. Regrettably what puts some people off is others turning their noses up at what they percieve as not fitting their own motivations.
Speedwork has a place, but until one has adequate training volume to benefit from it, it's more likely to lead to injury than anything else.
If we go back to the original point, whaqt's causing the slow down appears to be overtraining. No ammount of speedowork is going to fix that...
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Was definitely guilty of over-training in November, viewed my runkeeper profile online, and I went from running a measly 24 miles in October to running 110 miles in November. As a consequence I suffered from a headache this past week, and noticed my times getting slower. Having taken a few days off I'm ready to get back to it today, wee 5km run to the gym and gonna do a light workout. Definitely going to be more wary of over-training from now on, thanks guys !3
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Was definitely guilty of over-training in November, viewed my runkeeper profile online, and I went from running a measly 24 miles in October to running 110 miles in November. As a consequence I suffered from a headache this past week, and noticed my times getting slower. Having taken a few days off I'm ready to get back to it today, wee 5km run to the gym and gonna do a light workout. Definitely going to be more wary of over-training from now on, thanks guys !
Sounds good! Let us know how it felt to run today after a few days off. Hopefully, you had "happy legs" during your run...1 -
SingingSingleTracker wrote: »Was definitely guilty of over-training in November, viewed my runkeeper profile online, and I went from running a measly 24 miles in October to running 110 miles in November. As a consequence I suffered from a headache this past week, and noticed my times getting slower. Having taken a few days off I'm ready to get back to it today, wee 5km run to the gym and gonna do a light workout. Definitely going to be more wary of over-training from now on, thanks guys !
Sounds good! Let us know how it felt to run today after a few days off. Hopefully, you had "happy legs" during your run...
I actually ended up running the 5k in 26 mins, I didn't initially set off to run my fastest time, but when my app told me I was running at an average pace of 7:30 min/mi and 8:00 min/mi I thought I'd try and keep it at that pace. I was so surprised that after so many days off (well it wasn't actually that many days off just 3/4) that I was able to do it in that time haha, I was so happy. Definitely had happy legs as you said. 100% going to learn to give myself more rest days and stop trying to go all out all of the time.4 -
I know the article is controversial, but you know people are doing something wrong when there are so many people all kitted out in running gear at the local 5k but most of them can't break 30 minutes. We should be critical of the focus on just putting in more miles when one could benefit from speed work.
You should visit some of the 5K threads on the LetsRun.com forums. There, anyone who can't break 15:00 for a 5K is a total loser, and if you ask a question as I did once about trying to get from the low 19:00s to the 18:XXs, you are advised to just quit.
I think some people's bodies just run faster --- even at the same weight and training load. I used to run with a guy who would get busy with work and quit running. When things slowed down, he would start running again with our group. For the first couple of runs, we'd slow down to his 9:XX miles. Two weeks in, we'd be running 8:XX miles. Then we'd all be comfortable at 7:XX training miles for a while. After about six weeks, he'd start to drop us, and after a few months he'd be back down to his high 5:XX training paces. Based on that experience, I am not going to criticize people who are running 30:00 5Ks, although I do think most of them could run faster.
The advice I have always seen, though -- including from my previous coach who was a sub 15:30 5K guy even in his 30s -- is volume before speed. Build up volume to establish a base, add strides, then do some R pace (faster than interval, slower than sprint) workouts to develop efficiency, then add build intervals. But --- all of that stuff comes after a decent base building phase at a slow pace, and definitely after you have been running for at least 6 months to build up some durability.
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I know the article is controversial, but you know people are doing something wrong when there are so many people all kitted out in running gear at the local 5k but most of them can't break 30 minutes. We should be critical of the focus on just putting in more miles when one could benefit from speed work.
This is for anyone who judges a person on how long it takes them to run.
Personally I think anyone who is going to judge someone on what time it takes them to run various distances is a complete joke figure, and utter moron. Nobody, absolutely NOBODY, has the right to criticise someone for turning up to a race in running gear and not getting this time or that time. You don't know anything about that person, they might be recovering from a serious illness or injury, or they might just be someone who is wanting to change or improve their lifestyle and have to start somewhere, or they might not even be a runner but someone who is fundraising for a charity ! No matter the case we should all be encouraging one anther to get out and run, jog or walk not insulting others.
I don't feel embarrassed that I can't run a 5k in under 24mins, when I first started I couldn't break 30mins. Because I am not solely a runner, I'm a rugby player, weightlifter and football player. Therefore if some runner was to laugh at my 5k time, I'd challenge them to play a high standard full-contact 80min game of rugby. Or to lift the same weight as me in the gym.
I want people to get running gear and run a distance that will challenge them or make them feel better about themselves. If it takes them an hour, who the hell cares !? Certainly not me, I'd be encouraging them. If someone is going to laugh at a person or mock them for not getting a time you think is good enough, without knowing the first thing about that person then you're an arrogant fool, and the world could do better without ya.
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It takes me 38 minutes to run 5k and I am PROUD of that, it is the furthest I can run, well so far! I doubt I will get that much faster, but it doesn't matter. I would likely come last in a 5k race, but I wouldn't enter anyway. There is nothing wrong with me, I am not recovering from injury or anything, but I am just slow. AND I wear running gear! :-)6
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It takes me 38 minutes to run 5k and I am PROUD of that, it is the furthest I can run, well so far! I doubt I will get that much faster, but it doesn't matter. I would likely come last in a 5k race, but I wouldn't enter anyway. There is nothing wrong with me, I am not recovering from injury or anything, but I am just slow. AND I wear running gear! :-)
That's a really good time well done. Exactly, you should be proud. There's some just some horrible and stupid people out there. Don't listen to them
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It takes me 38 minutes to run 5k and I am PROUD of that, it is the furthest I can run, well so far! I doubt I will get that much faster, but it doesn't matter. I would likely come last in a 5k race, but I wouldn't enter anyway. There is nothing wrong with me, I am not recovering from injury or anything, but I am just slow. AND I wear running gear! :-)
I ran a 10k in a normal shirt once. Know what the prize was? Fire nipples. Keep wearing your running gear.
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It takes me 38 minutes to run 5k and I am PROUD of that, it is the furthest I can run, well so far! I doubt I will get that much faster, but it doesn't matter. I would likely come last in a 5k race, but I wouldn't enter anyway. There is nothing wrong with me, I am not recovering from injury or anything, but I am just slow. AND I wear running gear! :-)
Rest assured that at 38 minutes you'd most likely be nowhere even near last in most 5K races. You'd be equally nowhere even near first, but that's beside the point.1 -
Dude...give yourself some rest. That's a lot of running in a short amount of time, and judging by your profile pic, you aren't built like a typical long distance runner. You have more the "sprinter" look to you. I would take a day or two more rest between your runs and see what happens.0
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If you want a faster time you will need to rest more and do more interval training. A heart rate monitor is a great resource for maxing out your potential.
I don't know where you live either, but my time is always slower in the winter months because I have asthma and the colder the air is the harder it is to run.0 -
I know the article is controversial, but you know people are doing something wrong when there are so many people all kitted out in running gear at the local 5k but most of them can't break 30 minutes. We should be critical of the focus on just putting in more miles when one could benefit from speed work.
And?
If they enjoy running, are being active, and enjoying the community who gives a crap?
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NorthCascades wrote: »It takes me 38 minutes to run 5k and I am PROUD of that, it is the furthest I can run, well so far! I doubt I will get that much faster, but it doesn't matter. I would likely come last in a 5k race, but I wouldn't enter anyway. There is nothing wrong with me, I am not recovering from injury or anything, but I am just slow. AND I wear running gear! :-)
I ran a 10k in a normal shirt once. Know what the prize was? Fire nipples. Keep wearing your running gear.
Hahahaha, so true. Same thing happened to my brother. I always wear a vest under my shirt. And the day of my marathon I didn't take any chances I had vaseline on almost every part of my body lol0 -
I know the article is controversial, but you know people are doing something wrong when there are so many people all kitted out in running gear at the local 5k but most of them can't break 30 minutes. We should be critical of the focus on just putting in more miles when one could benefit from speed work.
This is for anyone who judges a person on how long it takes them to run.
Personally I think anyone who is going to judge someone on what time it takes them to run various distances is a complete joke figure, and utter moron. Nobody, absolutely NOBODY, has the right to criticise someone for turning up to a race in running gear and not getting this time or that time. You don't know anything about that person, they might be recovering from a serious illness or injury, or they might just be someone who is wanting to change or improve their lifestyle and have to start somewhere, or they might not even be a runner but someone who is fundraising for a charity ! No matter the case we should all be encouraging one anther to get out and run, jog or walk not insulting others.
I don't feel embarrassed that I can't run a 5k in under 24mins, when I first started I couldn't break 30mins. Because I am not solely a runner, I'm a rugby player, weightlifter and football player. Therefore if some runner was to laugh at my 5k time, I'd challenge them to play a high standard full-contact 80min game of rugby. Or to lift the same weight as me in the gym.
I want people to get running gear and run a distance that will challenge them or make them feel better about themselves. If it takes them an hour, who the hell cares !? Certainly not me, I'd be encouraging them. If someone is going to laugh at a person or mock them for not getting a time you think is good enough, without knowing the first thing about that person then you're an arrogant fool, and the world could do better without ya.
Fortunately, the overwhelming majority of runners are not judgmental. We are a very supportive and inclusive group. Of course there are always *kitten*, but you will rarely find them within the main community . They tend to stick with their own kind.
EVERYONE who puts their running shoes on and puts one foot in front of the other is a runner and is welcome.3 -
You probably need to eat more carbs0
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I know the article is controversial, but you know people are doing something wrong when there are so many people all kitted out in running gear at the local 5k but most of them can't break 30 minutes. We should be critical of the focus on just putting in more miles when one could benefit from speed work.
This is for anyone who judges a person on how long it takes them to run.
Personally I think anyone who is going to judge someone on what time it takes them to run various distances is a complete joke figure, and utter moron. Nobody, absolutely NOBODY, has the right to criticise someone for turning up to a race in running gear and not getting this time or that time. You don't know anything about that person, they might be recovering from a serious illness or injury, or they might just be someone who is wanting to change or improve their lifestyle and have to start somewhere, or they might not even be a runner but someone who is fundraising for a charity ! No matter the case we should all be encouraging one anther to get out and run, jog or walk not insulting others.
I don't feel embarrassed that I can't run a 5k in under 24mins, when I first started I couldn't break 30mins. Because I am not solely a runner, I'm a rugby player, weightlifter and football player. Therefore if some runner was to laugh at my 5k time, I'd challenge them to play a high standard full-contact 80min game of rugby. Or to lift the same weight as me in the gym.
I want people to get running gear and run a distance that will challenge them or make them feel better about themselves. If it takes them an hour, who the hell cares !? Certainly not me, I'd be encouraging them. If someone is going to laugh at a person or mock them for not getting a time you think is good enough, without knowing the first thing about that person then you're an arrogant fool, and the world could do better without ya.
Fortunately, the overwhelming majority of runners are not judgmental. We are a very supportive and inclusive group. Of course there are always *kitten*, but you will rarely find them within the main community . They tend to stick with their own kind.
EVERYONE who puts their running shoes on and puts one foot in front of the other is a runner and is welcome.
This has been my experience. I just PR'ed a 5K at 34:19. I almost always show up by myself, and people have been nothing but super nice and encouraging.
I accidently crashed a running club one day (found a trail run flier on Facebook) and I was the only one there not in the club. I finished 14 minutes after the next to last person, and every single one of them stayed and waited for me and cheered me on. The person who won could have ran it twice and still beat me- but not one of them was anything but kind and they gave me some fantastic advice about trail running.
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As far as the article goes, that applies to every single pursuit, hobby, or recreational activity. The runner decked out to the 9's, can't break 40 mins in a 5k, the camper with $5k of gear that can't put their tent together or start a fire. The Fly fisherman that stepped out of orvis with $500 waders & a $2K fishing rod that doesn't know what a trout looks like. The crossfitter with wraps, sleeves, chalk, olympic shoes, pre-workout, post workout, that can't do anymore than the bar. That's just human nature in all hobbies & interests.1
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As far as the article goes, that applies to every single pursuit, hobby, or recreational activity. The runner decked out to the 9's, can't break 40 mins in a 5k, the camper with $5k of gear that can't put their tent together or start a fire. The Fly fisherman that stepped out of orvis with $500 waders & a $2K fishing rod that doesn't know what a trout looks like. The crossfitter with wraps, sleeves, chalk, olympic shoes, pre-workout, post workout, that can't do anymore than the bar. That's just human nature in all hobbies & interests.
I'm still confused what speed has to do with running. I guess there are people that just don't get it. That's OK.1 -
As far as the article goes, that applies to every single pursuit, hobby, or recreational activity. The runner decked out to the 9's, can't break 40 mins in a 5k, the camper with $5k of gear that can't put their tent together or start a fire. The Fly fisherman that stepped out of orvis with $500 waders & a $2K fishing rod that doesn't know what a trout looks like. The crossfitter with wraps, sleeves, chalk, olympic shoes, pre-workout, post workout, that can't do anymore than the bar. That's just human nature in all hobbies & interests.
Yep. And equally, every hobby/interest has its elitist snobs who have to find ways to make themselves feel superior to others.0 -
I know the article is controversial, but you know people are doing something wrong when there are so many people all kitted out in running gear at the local 5k but most of them can't break 30 minutes. We should be critical of the focus on just putting in more miles when one could benefit from speed work.
This is for anyone who judges a person on how long it takes them to run.
Personally I think anyone who is going to judge someone on what time it takes them to run various distances is a complete joke figure, and utter moron. Nobody, absolutely NOBODY, has the right to criticise someone for turning up to a race in running gear and not getting this time or that time. You don't know anything about that person, they might be recovering from a serious illness or injury, or they might just be someone who is wanting to change or improve their lifestyle and have to start somewhere, or they might not even be a runner but someone who is fundraising for a charity ! No matter the case we should all be encouraging one anther to get out and run, jog or walk not insulting others.
I don't feel embarrassed that I can't run a 5k in under 24mins, when I first started I couldn't break 30mins. Because I am not solely a runner, I'm a rugby player, weightlifter and football player. Therefore if some runner was to laugh at my 5k time, I'd challenge them to play a high standard full-contact 80min game of rugby. Or to lift the same weight as me in the gym.
I want people to get running gear and run a distance that will challenge them or make them feel better about themselves. If it takes them an hour, who the hell cares !? Certainly not me, I'd be encouraging them. If someone is going to laugh at a person or mock them for not getting a time you think is good enough, without knowing the first thing about that person then you're an arrogant fool, and the world could do better without ya.
You sound like a total sweetheart - don't ever change.1 -
As far as the article goes, that applies to every single pursuit, hobby, or recreational activity. The runner decked out to the 9's, can't break 40 mins in a 5k, the camper with $5k of gear that can't put their tent together or start a fire. The Fly fisherman that stepped out of orvis with $500 waders & a $2K fishing rod that doesn't know what a trout looks like. The crossfitter with wraps, sleeves, chalk, olympic shoes, pre-workout, post workout, that can't do anymore than the bar. That's just human nature in all hobbies & interests.
That's a lot of words without actually saying anything. What point are you actually making?1 -
Letsrun.com has a lot of good training info, but be cautious with the BS. I assure you that most of the guys posting anonymously there aren't nearly as fast, nor as good looking as they claim!0
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Maybe your legs are wearing away, getting shorter, and thus reducing your speed. I know what you're thinking: How logical
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As far as the article goes, that applies to every single pursuit, hobby, or recreational activity. The runner decked out to the 9's, can't break 40 mins in a 5k, the camper with $5k of gear that can't put their tent together or start a fire. The Fly fisherman that stepped out of orvis with $500 waders & a $2K fishing rod that doesn't know what a trout looks like. The crossfitter with wraps, sleeves, chalk, olympic shoes, pre-workout, post workout, that can't do anymore than the bar. That's just human nature in all hobbies & interests.
That's a lot of words without actually saying anything. What point are you actually making?
The point is that every pursuit has people that point out what they perceive to be lesser participants. It's not worth fussing over those people.1
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