Day 1 of Keto/LCHF diet...

RocheBeukes

My advice is to change your lifestyle, your diet needs to be sustainable for life otherwise once you stop you will just regain it again. A lot of these low carb, high fat, high protein diets result in people getting hypercholesterolaemia resulting in heart disease and strokes. We should stop making carbs the villain, a healthy diet needs carbs as fuel as well as proteins and fats. If your body is craving it it means it needs it to survive, just make sure you eat the healthy version of it.

coledrum

My final thoughts on this, does the group suggest my fitness pal recommend 1740 calories with macro - 50% carbs, 30% fat, 20% protein or stay with keto macro 75% fat, 20% Protein and 5% Carbs?

Hornsby

coledrum wrote: »

My final thoughts on this, does the group suggest my fitness pal recommend 1740 calories with macro - 50% carbs, 30% fat, 20% protein or stay with keto macro 75% fat, 20% Protein and 5% Carbs?

That's broad. You should pic the one you can enjoy and stick to long term. That's literally all there is to it.

nvmomketo

coledrum wrote: »

My final thoughts on this, does the group suggest my fitness pal recommend 1740 calories with macro - 50% carbs, 30% fat, 20% protein or stay with keto macro 75% fat, 20% Protein and 5% Carbs?

Do what works for you.

50% carbs is a disaster for me. For you, it might work. Or maybe somewhere in between is your sweet spot.

dasher602014

lots of advice over at:


http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group

There are reference materials linked on that group's launch pad as well.

crzycatlady1

coledrum wrote: »

My final thoughts on this, does the group suggest my fitness pal recommend 1740 calories with macro - 50% carbs, 30% fat, 20% protein or stay with keto macro 75% fat, 20% Protein and 5% Carbs?

You're going to get different opinions -weight loss, weight gain and weight maintenance comes down to calories. Within that truth however, there are all sorts of paths. Some people like to do a straight calorie counting /tracking method and others prefer a low carb approach. Or Weight Watchers. Or Intermittent Fasting. And the list goes on.

You need to figure out what works for you long term, because weight loss means nothing if you can't sustain the loss. If following a very low carb path appeals to you then sure, go for it. But realize you don't have to go to extremes to lose the extra weight, you simply need to eat at the correct calorie deficit for your weight loss goals

tlflag1620

RocheBeukes wrote: »

My advice is to change your lifestyle, your diet needs to be sustainable for life otherwise once you stop you will just regain it again. A lot of these low carb, high fat, high protein diets result in people getting hypercholesterolaemia resulting in heart disease and strokes. We should stop making carbs the villain, a healthy diet needs carbs as fuel as well as proteins and fats. If your body is craving it it means it needs it to survive, just make sure you eat the healthy version of it.

Can't speak for others, but I have changed my lifestyle - to high fat, low carb. Lost 50lbs and have kept it off for over three years. Cholesterol, fasting blood glucose, and blood pressure have never been better (probably due to shedding 50 lbs!). My cholesterol profile has also improved over that which was taken in my early 20s (before I was overweight). Cutting the carbs reduced my triglycerides nicely, and boosted my HDL. So, no, I apparently don't need "healthy" carbs to survive. At least not more than the 50-80g per day that I choose to eat for fiber, micros, and variety, anyway. So, no, LCHF diets do not necessarily lead to yo-yoing weight, or high cholesterol.

As for the last bit about "cravings = your body needs it to survive" - I craved cigarettes something fierce while I was quitting.... Does that mean my body needed those too? Or was my body simply getting used to something new/different and I just needed to ride it out until I got used to my new normal? (Not that I'm comparing carbs to nicotine, just pointing out the absurdity of cravings=you must need it/you will die without it. We crave lots of things we don't need to survive).

leanjogreen18

tlflag1620 wrote: »

RocheBeukes wrote: »

My advice is to change your lifestyle, your diet needs to be sustainable for life otherwise once you stop you will just regain it again. A lot of these low carb, high fat, high protein diets result in people getting hypercholesterolaemia resulting in heart disease and strokes. We should stop making carbs the villain, a healthy diet needs carbs as fuel as well as proteins and fats. If your body is craving it it means it needs it to survive, just make sure you eat the healthy version of it.

Can't speak for others, but I have changed my lifestyle - to high fat, low carb. Lost 50lbs and have kept it off for over three years. Cholesterol, fasting blood glucose, and blood pressure have never been better (probably due to shedding 50 lbs!). My cholesterol profile has also improved over that which was taken in my early 20s (before I was overweight). Cutting the carbs reduced my triglycerides nicely, and boosted my HDL. So, no, I apparently don't need "healthy" carbs to survive. At least not more than the 50-80g per day that I choose to eat for fiber, micros, and variety, anyway. So, no, LCHF diets do not necessarily lead to yo-yoing weight, or high cholesterol.

As for the last bit about "cravings = your body needs it to survive" - I craved cigarettes something fierce while I was quitting.... Does that mean my body needed those too? Or was my body simply getting used to something new/different and I just needed to ride it out until I got used to my new normal? (Not that I'm comparing carbs to nicotine, just pointing out the absurdity of cravings=you must need it/you will die without it. We crave lots of things we don't need to survive).

I think this is probably due to weight loss because when I went vegetarian (high carb) all of my blood work improved as well and I have a history of heart disease in my family.

Two totally opposite diets yet same improved blood work.

crzycatlady1

leanjogreen18 wrote: »

tlflag1620 wrote: »

RocheBeukes wrote: »

My advice is to change your lifestyle, your diet needs to be sustainable for life otherwise once you stop you will just regain it again. A lot of these low carb, high fat, high protein diets result in people getting hypercholesterolaemia resulting in heart disease and strokes. We should stop making carbs the villain, a healthy diet needs carbs as fuel as well as proteins and fats. If your body is craving it it means it needs it to survive, just make sure you eat the healthy version of it.

Can't speak for others, but I have changed my lifestyle - to high fat, low carb. Lost 50lbs and have kept it off for over three years. Cholesterol, fasting blood glucose, and blood pressure have never been better (probably due to shedding 50 lbs!). My cholesterol profile has also improved over that which was taken in my early 20s (before I was overweight). Cutting the carbs reduced my triglycerides nicely, and boosted my HDL. So, no, I apparently don't need "healthy" carbs to survive. At least not more than the 50-80g per day that I choose to eat for fiber, micros, and variety, anyway. So, no, LCHF diets do not necessarily lead to yo-yoing weight, or high cholesterol.

As for the last bit about "cravings = your body needs it to survive" - I craved cigarettes something fierce while I was quitting.... Does that mean my body needed those too? Or was my body simply getting used to something new/different and I just needed to ride it out until I got used to my new normal? (Not that I'm comparing carbs to nicotine, just pointing out the absurdity of cravings=you must need it/you will die without it. We crave lots of things we don't need to survive).

I think this is probably due to weight loss because when I went vegetarian (high carb) all of my blood work improved as well and I have a history of heart disease in my family.

Two totally opposite diets yet same improved blood work.

Yep, losing 50lbs via a intermittent fasting protocol greatly improved all my health markers, including getting pre-diabetic glucose numbers down into the normal range. My total cholesterol is now also down to 143. Just goes to show 3 different people chosing 3 different paths and having good outcomes

tlflag1620

leanjogreen18 wrote: »

tlflag1620 wrote: »

RocheBeukes wrote: »

My advice is to change your lifestyle, your diet needs to be sustainable for life otherwise once you stop you will just regain it again. A lot of these low carb, high fat, high protein diets result in people getting hypercholesterolaemia resulting in heart disease and strokes. We should stop making carbs the villain, a healthy diet needs carbs as fuel as well as proteins and fats. If your body is craving it it means it needs it to survive, just make sure you eat the healthy version of it.

Can't speak for others, but I have changed my lifestyle - to high fat, low carb. Lost 50lbs and have kept it off for over three years. Cholesterol, fasting blood glucose, and blood pressure have never been better (probably due to shedding 50 lbs!). My cholesterol profile has also improved over that which was taken in my early 20s (before I was overweight). Cutting the carbs reduced my triglycerides nicely, and boosted my HDL. So, no, I apparently don't need "healthy" carbs to survive. At least not more than the 50-80g per day that I choose to eat for fiber, micros, and variety, anyway. So, no, LCHF diets do not necessarily lead to yo-yoing weight, or high cholesterol.

As for the last bit about "cravings = your body needs it to survive" - I craved cigarettes something fierce while I was quitting.... Does that mean my body needed those too? Or was my body simply getting used to something new/different and I just needed to ride it out until I got used to my new normal? (Not that I'm comparing carbs to nicotine, just pointing out the absurdity of cravings=you must need it/you will die without it. We crave lots of things we don't need to survive).

I think this is probably due to weight loss because when I went vegetarian (high carb) all of my blood work improved as well and I have a history of heart disease in my family.

Two totally opposite diets yet same improved blood work.

Yes, that's why I said the recent improvement in my numbers was most likely due to losing the weight, not necessarily due to the diet itself. The improvement in my cholesterol profile, otoh, I attribute to low carb. I'm 15 years older, but the same height and weight as I was when tested in my late teens-early twenties, but my triglycerides and HDL have improved since then. Only real difference is cutting the carbs and eating more calories from fat. I was really just pointing out that low carb does not mean your cholesterol will rise. In fact, in my case, it's better not only in total (due to weight loss), but my ratios have improved even over what it was when I was was 15 years younger and the same weight as I am now. So, no, contrary to what RocheBeukes seems to think, I'm not a heart attack waiting to happen

coledrum

Thanks everyone for the comments and congrats to tlflag1620 and crzycatlady1 on the improvements! I will continue on the low carb/high fat diet for a couple weeks and see if I get any weight loss now that I am knocking my calories down some, also since on cholesterol meds and pre-diabetes I have to get blood work done regular so I will be able to see how the low carb/higher fat diet is on my numbers and adjust from there if needed.

JustJewels18

I'm on day three of keto eating! I'm feeling sluggish and irritated. Which I hear is normal. It kinda freaks me out to eat all fat. But are you guys eating protein?

D_Moen

Hey there coledrum. I lost 60 pounds on a keto diet from January to June 2016 I started out at 244 pounds so I feel like I've walked your path before you. I used a program called "Ideal Protein" and I can tell you that I was eating in the neighbourhood of 900 calories a day. Once I got into ketosis, the weight came off pretty quick. The sleep apnea went away (thank god) and the improvement in my quality of sleep was worth the effort more than anything else. The Ideal Protein version of a keto diet has you transitioning to diet where you do eat some carbs, you just separate them from fats. Once off the weight loss phase, and into maintenance, my weight came back up 10 pounds as expected. My energy is good, so much so that started Crossfit a couple months ago!

Keep it up! The hard work is worth it!

coledrum wrote: »

Sorry to hi-jack this post but here is the info and what is confusing in that this is a keto thread- My Fitness PAL suggests 1740 calories but suggests a traditional diet macro - 50% carbs, 30% fat, 20% protein which is the opposite of keto.