P.H.U.L or P.H.A.T for me?
jersey_54
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I have been lifting for three years now and not new to compound lifts at all, I got injured 9 months ago and stayed without lifting on *kitten* diet for like 6 months. My rms before injury were
Bench - 225*2
Squat - 315*8
Deadlift - 365*3
I just started lifting again in October and lost almost all my strength and was on cut to loose all that access fat I had and now I wanna build up size but also increase all that strength i lost so I am going to run power/hypertrophy routine now and my current rms are
Bench - 180*1
Squat - 245*2
Deadlift - 265*2
Which programme would you suggest for me? Power hypertrophy upper lower split or Layne Norton's P.H.A.T?
Bench - 225*2
Squat - 315*8
Deadlift - 365*3
I just started lifting again in October and lost almost all my strength and was on cut to loose all that access fat I had and now I wanna build up size but also increase all that strength i lost so I am going to run power/hypertrophy routine now and my current rms are
Bench - 180*1
Squat - 245*2
Deadlift - 265*2
Which programme would you suggest for me? Power hypertrophy upper lower split or Layne Norton's P.H.A.T?
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Any Layne Norton program you follow will have a combination of strength and hypertrophy. Personally, I really thought PHUL was well balanced, but I haven't done PHAT. What would fit your schedule better?
Below is a good thread you might enjoy.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you/p10 -
Any Layne Norton program you follow will have a combination of strength and hypertrophy. Personally, I really thought PHUL was well balanced, but I haven't done PHAT. What would fit your schedule better?
Below is a good thread you might enjoy.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you/p1
Actually both would, How did Phul worked out for u? Strength wise? And thanks I read it and saw both of those programmes in it. Do you think both of em would suit lifter like me?0 -
Any Layne Norton program you follow will have a combination of strength and hypertrophy. Personally, I really thought PHUL was well balanced, but I haven't done PHAT. What would fit your schedule better?
Below is a good thread you might enjoy.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you/p1
Actually both would, How did Phul worked out for u? Strength wise? And thanks I read it and saw both of those programmes in it. Do you think both of em would suit lifter like me?
I really enjoyed PHUL prior to dealing with some injuries. I had to stop it after about 8 weeks due to my tendinitis issues. It got to a point where I couldn't even curl 40 lbs. The few people I know who have done PHAT, do rather enjoy it. Many of them where coming off PHUL.1 -
PHAT is a lot more volume than PHUL + 5 days in the gym - so if you can handle the volume and have the time I'd try it. I personally love Upper/Lower workouts but it is nice to change it up and have a day just to blast Back & Shoulder alone, etc.1
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Any Layne Norton program you follow will have a combination of strength and hypertrophy. Personally, I really thought PHUL was well balanced, but I haven't done PHAT. What would fit your schedule better?
Below is a good thread you might enjoy.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you/p1
Actually both would, How did Phul worked out for u? Strength wise? And thanks I read it and saw both of those programmes in it. Do you think both of em would suit lifter like me?
I really enjoyed PHUL prior to dealing with some injuries. I had to stop it after about 8 weeks due to my tendinitis issues. It got to a point where I couldn't even curl 40 lbs. The few people I know who have done PHAT, do rather enjoy it. Many of them where coming off PHUL.
Well did you strength increased in those 2 months doing Phul?0 -
Leadfoot_Lewis wrote: »PHAT is a lot more volume than PHUL + 5 days in the gym - so if you can handle the volume and have the time I'd try it. I personally love Upper/Lower workouts but it is nice to change it up and have a day just to blast Back & Shoulder alone, etc.
How much did you progressed running phat? Strength wise?0 -
Any Layne Norton program you follow will have a combination of strength and hypertrophy. Personally, I really thought PHUL was well balanced, but I haven't done PHAT. What would fit your schedule better?
Below is a good thread you might enjoy.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you/p1
Actually both would, How did Phul worked out for u? Strength wise? And thanks I read it and saw both of those programmes in it. Do you think both of em would suit lifter like me?
I really enjoyed PHUL prior to dealing with some injuries. I had to stop it after about 8 weeks due to my tendinitis issues. It got to a point where I couldn't even curl 40 lbs. The few people I know who have done PHAT, do rather enjoy it. Many of them where coming off PHUL.
Well did you strength increased in those 2 months doing Phul?
Oh, absolutely. My squat on heavy days went from 175 to 235 (I was fairly new to real heavy lifting).1 -
I'm currently on PHAT and using Wendlers 5/3/1 programming for my compound lifts on the heavy days, which im really enjoying. I also had to reduce some of the volume on the hypertrophy days seeing as it's a program made by an enhanced lifter my based towards enhanced lifters in regards to volume. All in all I enjoy it quite a bit.1
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I'm not SUPER familiar with them- but I did some research on PHAT- but it was to many days in the gym for me- I love the concept- but I don't have 5 days a week to devote to lifting- I need 3- and I need my program to be all encompassing because of that. Being said- I LOVED the idea of this program- it just doesn't mesh with my life.
I don't know that I would want to do PHUL's two power days back to back- and two hypertrophy days back to back. - For me I'd prefer to have a day between big lifts.
so- I'd pick PHAT if I could- but I'm totally bais- and have never done either.
Where in Jersey do you lift?1 -
I'm not SUPER familiar with them- but I did some research on PHAT- but it was to many days in the gym for me- I love the concept- but I don't have 5 days a week to devote to lifting- I need 3- and I need my program to be all encompassing because of that. Being said- I LOVED the idea of this program- it just doesn't mesh with my life.
I don't know that I would want to do PHUL's two power days back to back- and two hypertrophy days back to back. - For me I'd prefer to have a day between big lifts.
so- I'd pick PHAT if I could- but I'm totally bais- and have never done either.
Where in Jersey do you lift?
So you haven't done any of those? Phat is like Phul with more volume. And I don't live in Jersey lol 54 is my Jersey number0 -
I'm currently on PHAT and using Wendlers 5/3/1 programming for my compound lifts on the heavy days, which im really enjoying. I also had to reduce some of the volume on the hypertrophy days seeing as it's a program made by an enhanced lifter my based towards enhanced lifters in regards to volume. All in all I enjoy it quite a bit.
How are your strength results?0 -
Any Layne Norton program you follow will have a combination of strength and hypertrophy. Personally, I really thought PHUL was well balanced, but I haven't done PHAT. What would fit your schedule better?
Below is a good thread you might enjoy.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you/p1
Actually both would, How did Phul worked out for u? Strength wise? And thanks I read it and saw both of those programmes in it. Do you think both of em would suit lifter like me?
I really enjoyed PHUL prior to dealing with some injuries. I had to stop it after about 8 weeks due to my tendinitis issues. It got to a point where I couldn't even curl 40 lbs. The few people I know who have done PHAT, do rather enjoy it. Many of them where coming off PHUL.
Well did you strength increased in those 2 months doing Phul?
Oh, absolutely. My squat on heavy days went from 175 to 235 (I was fairly new to real heavy lifting).
Dang were you underestimating urself on squats or did it just went up?0 -
Any Layne Norton program you follow will have a combination of strength and hypertrophy. Personally, I really thought PHUL was well balanced, but I haven't done PHAT. What would fit your schedule better?
Below is a good thread you might enjoy.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you/p1
Actually both would, How did Phul worked out for u? Strength wise? And thanks I read it and saw both of those programmes in it. Do you think both of em would suit lifter like me?
I really enjoyed PHUL prior to dealing with some injuries. I had to stop it after about 8 weeks due to my tendinitis issues. It got to a point where I couldn't even curl 40 lbs. The few people I know who have done PHAT, do rather enjoy it. Many of them where coming off PHUL.
Well did you strength increased in those 2 months doing Phul?
Oh, absolutely. My squat on heavy days went from 175 to 235 (I was fairly new to real heavy lifting).
Dang were you underestimating urself on squats or did it just went up?
I was largely a noob, so I suspect I was a good responded. Likewise, I didn't see as large of a jump on upper body.
ETA: I moved onto Wendler 5-3-1 now (switched the programming a bit), so we will see how my 1RM changes. It's a great program.1 -
Any Layne Norton program you follow will have a combination of strength and hypertrophy. Personally, I really thought PHUL was well balanced, but I haven't done PHAT. What would fit your schedule better?
Below is a good thread you might enjoy.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you/p1
Actually both would, How did Phul worked out for u? Strength wise? And thanks I read it and saw both of those programmes in it. Do you think both of em would suit lifter like me?
I really enjoyed PHUL prior to dealing with some injuries. I had to stop it after about 8 weeks due to my tendinitis issues. It got to a point where I couldn't even curl 40 lbs. The few people I know who have done PHAT, do rather enjoy it. Many of them where coming off PHUL.
Well did you strength increased in those 2 months doing Phul?
Oh, absolutely. My squat on heavy days went from 175 to 235 (I was fairly new to real heavy lifting).
Dang were you underestimating urself on squats or did it just went up?
I was largely a noob, so I suspect I was a good responded. Likewise, I didn't see as large of a jump on upper body.
ETA: I moved onto Wendler 5-3-1 now (switched the programming a bit), so we will see how my 1RM changes. It's a great program.
Can you explain phul more maybe? Like when are we suppose to load up more weight and stuff? I read your whole post on phul and phat but it didn't mentioned that0 -
I'm not SUPER familiar with them- but I did some research on PHAT- but it was to many days in the gym for me- I love the concept- but I don't have 5 days a week to devote to lifting- I need 3- and I need my program to be all encompassing because of that. Being said- I LOVED the idea of this program- it just doesn't mesh with my life.
I don't know that I would want to do PHUL's two power days back to back- and two hypertrophy days back to back. - For me I'd prefer to have a day between big lifts.
so- I'd pick PHAT if I could- but I'm totally bais- and have never done either.
Where in Jersey do you lift?
So you haven't done any of those? Phat is like Phul with more volume. And I don't live in Jersey lol 54 is my Jersey number
No- I researched PHAT toward the end of my Sheiko cycle to try something new- but it wasn't for me because of the time (5 days) in the gym. The volume wasn't the issue- at all- it was merely the time spent- I wanted some hypertrophy- but I can't afford to do full bodybuilder/body part splits- so it wasn't for me.
But I can tell by looking at PHUL- I would not be happy lifting so big back to back without a day of rest- I've done that before (when my days get messed up sometimes I have to slot a work out over a day- eliminating my rest day) and I don't care for it. It's doable- but for me it's not something I'd want to do regularly.
But no- I have no first hand experience with the programs directly. I know another girl on here who did PHAT and really loved it.
10-4 on the jeresy vs New Jersey LOL- I live in the dirty- so always interesting to see if there are lifters to connect with.1 -
Any Layne Norton program you follow will have a combination of strength and hypertrophy. Personally, I really thought PHUL was well balanced, but I haven't done PHAT. What would fit your schedule better?
Below is a good thread you might enjoy.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you/p1
Actually both would, How did Phul worked out for u? Strength wise? And thanks I read it and saw both of those programmes in it. Do you think both of em would suit lifter like me?
I really enjoyed PHUL prior to dealing with some injuries. I had to stop it after about 8 weeks due to my tendinitis issues. It got to a point where I couldn't even curl 40 lbs. The few people I know who have done PHAT, do rather enjoy it. Many of them where coming off PHUL.
Well did you strength increased in those 2 months doing Phul?
Oh, absolutely. My squat on heavy days went from 175 to 235 (I was fairly new to real heavy lifting).
Dang were you underestimating urself on squats or did it just went up?
I was largely a noob, so I suspect I was a good responded. Likewise, I didn't see as large of a jump on upper body.
ETA: I moved onto Wendler 5-3-1 now (switched the programming a bit), so we will see how my 1RM changes. It's a great program.
Can you explain phul more maybe? Like when are we suppose to load up more weight and stuff? I read your whole post on phul and phat but it didn't mentioned that
https://www.muscleandstrength.com/workouts/phul-workout
That is all you should need to know about PHUL.1 -
Ido PHUL but my powerlifts are programmed by 5311
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Any Layne Norton program you follow will have a combination of strength and hypertrophy. Personally, I really thought PHUL was well balanced, but I haven't done PHAT. What would fit your schedule better?
Below is a good thread you might enjoy.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you/p1
Actually both would, How did Phul worked out for u? Strength wise? And thanks I read it and saw both of those programmes in it. Do you think both of em would suit lifter like me?
I really enjoyed PHUL prior to dealing with some injuries. I had to stop it after about 8 weeks due to my tendinitis issues. It got to a point where I couldn't even curl 40 lbs. The few people I know who have done PHAT, do rather enjoy it. Many of them where coming off PHUL.
Well did you strength increased in those 2 months doing Phul?
Oh, absolutely. My squat on heavy days went from 175 to 235 (I was fairly new to real heavy lifting).
Dang were you underestimating urself on squats or did it just went up?
I was largely a noob, so I suspect I was a good responded. Likewise, I didn't see as large of a jump on upper body.
ETA: I moved onto Wendler 5-3-1 now (switched the programming a bit), so we will see how my 1RM changes. It's a great program.
Can you explain phul more maybe? Like when are we suppose to load up more weight and stuff? I read your whole post on phul and phat but it didn't mentioned that
https://www.muscleandstrength.com/workouts/phul-workout
That is all you should need to know about PHUL.
I read it but it doesn't state when I should load up more , Like in strong lift and Marcow i know u gotta load 5 plates every next workout0 -
solarpower03 wrote: »Ido PHUL but my powerlifts are programmed by 531
how is phul and 531 combo working for u?0 -
Pretty good but I am on recomposition (UD2 diet). So all hypertrophy work when I eat less and powerlifting work when I eat more - on a weekly basis. I tilt the program toward powerlifting, tbh. Hypertrophy days are more like active rest and mobility work- mentally to me0
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Any Layne Norton program you follow will have a combination of strength and hypertrophy. Personally, I really thought PHUL was well balanced, but I haven't done PHAT. What would fit your schedule better?
Below is a good thread you might enjoy.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you/p1
Actually both would, How did Phul worked out for u? Strength wise? And thanks I read it and saw both of those programmes in it. Do you think both of em would suit lifter like me?
I really enjoyed PHUL prior to dealing with some injuries. I had to stop it after about 8 weeks due to my tendinitis issues. It got to a point where I couldn't even curl 40 lbs. The few people I know who have done PHAT, do rather enjoy it. Many of them where coming off PHUL.
Well did you strength increased in those 2 months doing Phul?
Oh, absolutely. My squat on heavy days went from 175 to 235 (I was fairly new to real heavy lifting).
Dang were you underestimating urself on squats or did it just went up?
I was largely a noob, so I suspect I was a good responded. Likewise, I didn't see as large of a jump on upper body.
ETA: I moved onto Wendler 5-3-1 now (switched the programming a bit), so we will see how my 1RM changes. It's a great program.
Can you explain phul more maybe? Like when are we suppose to load up more weight and stuff? I read your whole post on phul and phat but it didn't mentioned that
https://www.muscleandstrength.com/workouts/phul-workout
That is all you should need to know about PHUL.
I read it but it doesn't state when I should load up more , Like in strong lift and Marcow i know u gotta load 5 plates every next workout
Each set I was adding weight (generally 5 lbs). And the following week, I was started at my previous max.0
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