Whole Foods- Plant based diet

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  • amandagyeoman
    amandagyeoman Posts: 88 Member
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    I'm trying 30 days of Plant Based Dieting strictly out of curiosity. And while so far I totally appreciate the benefits I've experienced so early in to this quest, I do wonder if this is how we as humans are supposed to live to be healthy, why must Plant Based/Vegan diets be supplemented with B12? I genuinely want to know - not looking for an argument.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,867 Member
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    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    crzycatlady1 wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    live2dream wrote: »
    It's funny when people say it's propaganda. It's facts. The trillion dollar meat and dairy industry is the real propaganda. You can't turn on the TV or walk/drive down the street without being inundated with ads promoting it, and then the next commercial is pharmaceuticals. Why are people so sick? Hmmmm I wonder. Hint: it's not the plant foods.

    I have a group on here - Happy herbivores. The only thing we sell is good vibes - for free :)http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/45-happy-herbivores

    Feel free to join for advice. We'd love to have you. :smile:

    I'm really uncomfortable with the idea that going plant-based or vegan is some sort of insurance against illness or that people who are sick should be blamed for their illnesses. Virginia Messina says it better than I do (as usual).

    "Disease shaming alienates and ostracizes people. Vegans may be afraid to share their diagnosis with others. They may not ask for much-needed support because they worry about feeling judged. Some may be reluctant to admit that they have chosen conventional treatment for their cancer instead of trying to cure it through some raw, low-fat, alkaline, whole foods vegan diet. But, there is no evidence that any particular diet, whole foods plant-based or otherwise, can cure cancer. Believe it or not (sorry, Hippocrates) sometimes you have to let medicine be thy medicine."

    http://www.theveganrd.com/2014/12/vegan-diets-cancer-and-disease-shaming.html

    I've read a couple of her books and while I'm not a vegan I really respect her. Solid stuff :)

    There actually is evidence that certain foods slow down the various stages of cancer development, there most certainly is. You said you read the book, but don't want to go there for whatever reason. That is precisely the research that many doctors have to acknowledge when assessing treatment of certain cancers. I'm not saying I don't respect anyone's decision for eating an omnivorous diet, however I am a woman of science and I cannot deny the evidence. Animal proteins have been found to increase the rate and mass of certain cancers. Plant protein has been shown to slow and haunt growth at various stages...I'm doing it...I'm citing Dr. Campbell book, The China Study.

    so your lone citation is one book that has been debunked?

    No actually, I work with many healthcare professionals, Chemo and infusion, and have seen a lot on the topic first hand. Just because I reference one book, doesn't mean it was one study, this is research that started in the 60's, and now has been implemented into numerous universities and nutritional education programs.
    No more on the topic, if you feel you are informed, great, that's your decision. Just keep being informed and having an open mind.
    I used to knock vegans and swore I didn't want to take a supplement for something I could just eat...b12 blah blah blah. My mind changed the more I dug into the science, there are numerous funded vegan studies happening right now, not just this "one book."

    Lol..."keep an open mind"...yours is so open?

    Nobody is knocking being vegan...I have no problems with people being vegan for ethical reasons...I have problems when people get all preachy and then proceed to further fear monger. Again...look at blue zone regions of the world...they eat very healthy diets consisting of all macros...plenty of complex carbs and veg and fruit, healthy fats, and they include meat in their diets to some degree or another...some of the healthiest cultures in the world.
  • crzycatlady1
    crzycatlady1 Posts: 1,930 Member
    edited January 2017
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    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    crzycatlady1 wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    live2dream wrote: »
    It's funny when people say it's propaganda. It's facts. The trillion dollar meat and dairy industry is the real propaganda. You can't turn on the TV or walk/drive down the street without being inundated with ads promoting it, and then the next commercial is pharmaceuticals. Why are people so sick? Hmmmm I wonder. Hint: it's not the plant foods.

    I have a group on here - Happy herbivores. The only thing we sell is good vibes - for free :)http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/45-happy-herbivores

    Feel free to join for advice. We'd love to have you. :smile:

    I'm really uncomfortable with the idea that going plant-based or vegan is some sort of insurance against illness or that people who are sick should be blamed for their illnesses. Virginia Messina says it better than I do (as usual).

    "Disease shaming alienates and ostracizes people. Vegans may be afraid to share their diagnosis with others. They may not ask for much-needed support because they worry about feeling judged. Some may be reluctant to admit that they have chosen conventional treatment for their cancer instead of trying to cure it through some raw, low-fat, alkaline, whole foods vegan diet. But, there is no evidence that any particular diet, whole foods plant-based or otherwise, can cure cancer. Believe it or not (sorry, Hippocrates) sometimes you have to let medicine be thy medicine."

    http://www.theveganrd.com/2014/12/vegan-diets-cancer-and-disease-shaming.html

    I've read a couple of her books and while I'm not a vegan I really respect her. Solid stuff :)

    There actually is evidence that certain foods slow down the various stages of cancer development, there most certainly is. You said you read the book, but don't want to go there for whatever reason. That is precisely the research that many doctors have to acknowledge when assessing treatment of certain cancers. I'm not saying I don't respect anyone's decision for eating an omnivorous diet, however I am a woman of science and I cannot deny the evidence. Animal proteins have been found to increase the rate and mass of certain cancers. Plant protein has been shown to slow and haunt growth at various stages...I'm doing it...I'm citing Dr. Campbell book, The China Study.

    so your lone citation is one book that has been debunked?

    No actually, I work with many healthcare professionals, Chemo and infusion, and have seen a lot on the topic first hand. Just because I reference one book, doesn't mean it was one study, this is research that started in the 60's, and now has been implemented into numerous universities and nutritional education programs.
    No more on the topic, if you feel you are informed, great, that's your decision. Just keep being informed and having an open mind.
    I used to knock vegans and swore I didn't want to take a supplement for something I could just eat...b12 blah blah blah. My mind changed the more I dug into the science, there are numerous funded vegan studies happening right now, not just this "one book."

    Lol..."keep an open mind"...yours is so open?

    Nobody is knocking being vegan...I have no problems with people being vegan for ethical reasons...I have problems when people get all preachy and then proceed to further fear monger. Again...look at blue zone regions of the world...they eat very healthy diets consisting of all macros...plenty of complex carbs and veg and fruit, healthy fats, and they include meat in their diets to some degree or another...some of the healthiest cultures in the world.

    The ironic thing is there's another thread going right now where someone is starting a keto diet because she's read that it will prevent cancer and other diseases. But it's pretty much the opposite of a plant based woe. So which one is actually the One True Way? The misinformation and fearmongering makes your head spin :p

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